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colleagues right here on "the beat." these are tragedies that leave a wound. they leave families grieving, and they leave us in the business of telling stories struggling to do that. how do you tell the story of these numbers, whether it's that one person that's dear to you in your life or the thousand more you may know of in your community or a um in like a million that we really struggle to even understand? so tonight we mark that. we think of each other, and we remember what we've gone through and the road we have to go through ahead. good evening. xwonk, everyone. we begin "the reidout" with the reality of a post-roe america. while the united states preparing to roll back the clock stripping away 50 years of reproductive years for half of the population, it is instructive to look overseas at nation that only recently decided to move forward,
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ireland. with a right to legal abortion is relatively new. irish citizens voted overwhelmingly in a 2018 national referendum to repeal europe's strictest abortion law banning nearly all abortions. the bbc documented a push to make history. >> i got involved through campaigning because i didn't even know that i could ask about abortion. >> it felt dirty. felt dirty. [ indecipherable audio ] >> that was just four years ago. the reality for irish citizens was 35 years under its eighth
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amendment giving a fetus and mother equal right to life under irish law. it came in at an unconscionable cost, the lives of irish women. notably dr. savita a 31-year-old denied treatment during a miscarriage in 2012. she died of severe sepsis days later. the united nations human rights council had criticized ireland's law as cruel and inhumane in a case of a woman demade it treatment and forced to go to england for care. ireland, mostly catholic ireland, ultimately decided that the rights and lives of women mattered, and it's a cautionary tale here in the united states as we're now barreling towards codifying that they don't matter. so when justice samuel alito writes, quote, we do not pretend to know how our political system or society will react to the overruling, we do know. it's a hypothetical. ireland showed us what it looks like when religious doctrine becomes law and there's a
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fictionalized version of how it can play out in "the handmaid's tale." >> when they smothered congress, we didn't wake up. when they blamed terrorists and blamed the constitution we didn't wake up then either. they said it would be temporary. nothing changes instantaneously, and gradually you'll be bled to death before you know about it. >> we're all awake. this newer post-world war order is just as dark, if not darker that our dispopian nightmares. she notes post-roe america will not look like pre-roe america. before roe women were rarely prosecuted for abortion though they were sometimes threatened for prosecution po get them to testify against abortion providers. roe meant fetal endangerment and
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homicide laws didn't apply to women who have abortion. women would terminate pregnancies are likely to be treated as killers. there's also the push for so-called fetal personhood laws similar to ireland owes now defunct amendment. three states have enacted laws with personhood language and six states are pursuing bills that would ban abortion by establishing fetal personhood and we've gotten a look at a post-roe. a 26-year-old woman was charged with murder over a self-induced abortion. she was held for three days before prosecutors dropped the charges. while post roe america will look different in texas it's already here. activists across the country are mobilize fog our dark future. there is the so-called abortion underground that says whatever
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the laws say women will continue to have abortion. joining me now is the attorney who argued planned parenthood versus casey and the author of "controlling women, what we must now do to freeing women." controlling women is exactly what it sounds like we're seeing happening right now. i'll start with you, katherine. what does that mean, controlling women, because in the casey case the -- the question was whether women had to notify their husband just to go through here. there were five issues in the pennsylvania control lag, one command, unless certain exceptions apply a married woman must sign a statement indicating she's notified her husband and that constitutes an undue burden. that the case that you won. if -- if abortion simply becomes illegal it isn't about notification anymore. what happens? >> well, there's a variety of
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effects. i mean, what we're look at is about a 40% of women who have abortions every year living in states that are likely to ban, and those bans will span from georgia west to texas, from canada down to mexico. hundreds of thousands of women who are facing unintended pregnancy will be affected by these bands, and what does it mean? it means that they can't exercise decisions about when, where and with whom they have children. it means that they will have to travel long distances, sometimes 200, up to 1,000 miles to obtain appropriate care which has severe jeopardy to their health, but like we saw in ireland, it will also mean that women who have wanted pregnancy, who are facing a need to terminate that pregnancy due to a variety of health effects, will also suffer and be unable to obtain
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appropriate care, and as you pointed out in your opening, we're likely to see an increase in prosecution, primarily against black hand brown women who have less access to care and who are often singled out due to discrimination by authorities, going after them for criminal prosecution for essentially trying to have an abortion is n whatever means is appropriate and best for them. >> let me just -- >> the only thing i would add there, joy, this is the worst it's ever been in this country since 1973, and, you know, i can't overstate how problematic it is. >> no, indeed, and, you know, the casey case was in the '90s. we rolled back so far, and i want to bring you in, jessica, because your piece was quite striking about this abortion underground this, sort of underground railroad of trying to get women care and the home
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remedies people have come up with. talk a little bit about that. talk about what we're going to see. the right is not satisfied. they are not sated by this leaked ruling. kevin kramer, senator kevin kramer has already talked about a national ban. joanie ernst and other senators have, this is what senator kramer said. he mentioned someone crossing north dakota state lines to get an a, bomb he said i don't find a lot of solace in that just because it didn't nap my state. yeah, i think you can expect the pro-life activists would push for federal protections. you are taking about an underground that has to be nationwide. >> bans on abortion have never stopped abortion, even some of the people with the least autonomy and most draconian circumstances in american history. enslaved people would have
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abortions and that's what people are talking about now. one of the reasons we can't go back to a pre-roe world is because we now have the abortion pill which is two medications. it's a discreet. it can be sent in the mail. already being sent to all 50 states through a european organization called aid access. people are finding it on the plan "c" bill website and it allows people to have an early stage abortion at home, and we know that 90% of abortions in the u.s. are first trimester abortions so this bill is really changing the picture. in 2020 more than half of abortions on record involved the pill, so part of this network of people there are people who are already stocking up on the pill. there are people in mexico who want to bring the pill in and get it into people's hands. people passing all sorts of things around and people getting ready to move doctors around,
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too. i spoke with an organization that's bulletproofing them. so a lot of movement and a lot of people gearing up to do what they believe is needed. >> i'll add to that. there are some companies talking about covering the travel cost for employees who need to get city group, sti green, bumble, lyft, levi straws, apple and others. there are others who are looking to help. the question is how do you protect yourself against a doctor? there is a long history. "mother jones" had a long history of doctors reporting their own patient, cat ring, and i'll throw this to you. this is what the "mother jones" piece said. the long, scary history of doctors reporting pregnant people to the cops. doctors and medical staff are in many casss literally empowered by state law to interview when they believe a pregnant person has caused harm to their fetus. in other conditions medical staff might be outright confused what the responsibilities are.
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if you're in a state like texas and you even get the pill at home, you take one of these pills to indues an abortion and you don't feel well and go to your doctor for care they can report you and collect a bounty. >> that's exactly what happens. that's what happened in the texas case and the woman who was prosecuted for self-managing her case was reported by a hospital when she went to seek care but the reality is it's black and brown women who are going to suffer when that happens because the prosecutors, the rogue prosecutors are much more likely to target them than they are other white women and that's a big problem. >> cat ring, you know, in your piece you talk about this underground. if there's a national ban and it's very clear that the religious right and their elected officials works you know, come into that belief
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system and five members of the supreme court were also i would say members of the religious far right and they are showing it, what if they make it illegal to even have these pills in your home or to send them across state lines or to receive them in the mail? then what? >> well, that's exactly what the 26 states are doing, and i think -- let's just go back. and say one really important thing. that this is about political power. if there are enough votes in the congress to ban abortion nationwide, they will do it, and our job is to make sure that that doesn't happen. this is about winning elections. it's changing the faces of people who are serving our country in state legislatures and in congress and until we get serious about that and change those numbers, make sure that we have a majority of people who believe in women's autonomy and
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integrity and equality. we're going to suffer these consequences and so we need to get serious. >> and jessica, you know, in your reporting, have the women who are forming this abortion underground, are they aware that if the republicans take over the united states senate and house, they are likely to make it illegal to even possess these drugs? >> they are very aware. i mean, they have been aware for a while that it a lot of people who watch the court took trump at his word when he said he planned to stack the court to overturn roe and knew this was a possibility or even likelihood. people are preparing. it's amazing. you can even get abortion pills if for advanced provision. i have a bunch sitting on my desk. i don't know how people will keep those out of the mail. it looks like an altoid. people i met were also teaching
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each other how to do procedural abortions, manual vacuum aspirations. people had bought devices like this on the internet and were training up to do procedures that in many nations are not done by doctors. they are done by trained clinicians, so people are trying to keep all their options on the table. >> let me, before we go, just show you the 20 countries that banned reproductive rights, andorra, aruba, congo, curacao, dominican republic, egypt, el salvador, haiti, honduras, jamaica, laos, mad gas yar, philippines and san marino and senegal and perhaps soon the united states. unbelievable. women apparently have no value to a certain segment of this population, and they are making that very clear to us. justice alito made that very clear in his ruling. thank you, jessica and katherine. up next on triedout. newly released audio tape from
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kevin mccarthy from two cases after the january 6th insurrection in a serious discussion about removing donald trump from power. plus, the red states overturning roe will have the most severe impact on women, as we've been discussing lower income women and women of color, and call it the leak freak. republican politicians want everyone to focus on the leak and anything else that changes the subject from their partisan court stripping women of their rights and dignity by banning abortion. "the reidout" continues after this. this is the sound of nature breathing.
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just a short time ago, we learned of newly released audio of house minority leader kevin mccarthy and republican leadership recorded just two days after the january 1th attack on the capitol. it was obtained by "new york times" reporter jonathan martin and alex burns. it contained previous reporting from the duo saying that mccarthy condemned the actions of trump during the insurrection and even discussed tatth amendment to remove trump from office though kevin was worried the process would take too long. >> what the president did was atrocious and totally wrong so we're 12 days away. the one point i make with biden if you have an impeachment and you're stuck sitting in the senate and he has cabinet members and a lot of things he needs moving and a lot of
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attention and things get put on hold. a lot of people thought this country was going to be different. they are angry. want to at any time fight. i've never seen anything like this. >> it seems like there's definitely anger on their side but also division. i think that the options that have been cited by the democrats thus far are the 25th amendment which is not exactly a doable solution. >> that takes too long. it goes back to the house. >> correct. if the president were to submit a letter overruling the cabinet and vice president and two-thirds vote to overrule the president so it's kind of inartful. >> with me is the president and ceo of vote latino and pollster cornell belcher. thanks so much for being here. you know, we knew this information. it's just interesting sort of
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hearing mccarthy in his own voice sounding completely rational, you know. it does sort of really dig the point in that none of these people are saying what they actually think now. they are saying what they think they know trump wants to hear. what do you think it means for our politics that they are willing to do that? >> well, you see that this is an individual that is aspiring to be speaker of the house, and when he's asked on record whether he said this he's not really denying it but when you show the tapes, it speaks to the larger problem of the gop. they say one thing listening to what kavanaugh said about roe and they are lying. mccarthy is lying. i'm in the bay-year in san francisco and i have to tell you people are hot on mccarthy. they are angry and upset saying this is no longer politics as usual. this is about the erosion of democracy and the fact that we have republican leadership not
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recognizing where we are is where a lot of folks understand that we have to address it, and it will be interesting to see how other in california, even in the district, how mccarthy gets out of this one. >> it's interesting, cornell, because it's not just him. j.d. vance just won the primary in ohio for the united states senate and he said literally maybe trump is hitler and swung all the way the other direction to become a trump sycophant. he's got all that peter thiele money. peter thiele basically purchased a senate campaign, his senate campaign, and, you know, the question is whether republican voters will punish someone like j.d. vance for having gone off the orthodoxy or whether they simply reward them because they are republican and they don't care what they have said or say. >> well, clearly, they are not -- they are not punishing him, and there's no accountability here, and in the end i've said this about trump before. they will forgive him all his
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evil does, whether it be, know, sexual assault, corruption, what have you as long as he is their tribal strong man, right? joy, it is -- when -- when people feel this sort of fear of the other and that they are losing something and they really do think they are losing this country and this country is their country, nothing else matters. they will cling to their tribal strong man as long as he does not offend them in that tribal and nationalistic matter. they will forgot almost anything and we've seen it time and time again in our politics as of late. >> you know, and i think that's absolutely true. one of the issues that i've even known people who have been trumpch, dogmatic trumpists, but because they like trump, because they like abortion. they will forgive anything. i know a couple originally from an african nation, they are with trump even though they said their country was an s-hole
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country, abortion, abortion, abortion is all they vote on. trump could be the devil himself but as long as he gets abortion ended. let me play something that hasn't happened before. two top democrats in the country talking directly about abortion rights, president biden and vice president kamala harris. >> this is about a lot more than abortion. the idea that somehow there is an inherent right, that there is no right of privacy, what are the next things that are going to be attacked because this maga crowd is really the most extreme political organization that's existed in american history, in, recent american history. >> women's rights in america are under attack. those republican leaders who are trying to weaponize the use of the law against women, well, we say how dare they.
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how dare they tell a woman what she can do and not do with her own body? how dare they. >> do you think the end of roe will crystallize the minds of particularly young voters on the democratic side. >> i was in that room last night. i think we're all trying to -- that leaked document allows us to have a road map of why people need to go out and participate and that room last night, joy, was energized. they were hungry and they are saying this cannot stand because this president and the vice president are not wrong. by repealing abortion, you've opened the door to other rights. we're talking about lbgtq and gay marriage and the list goes on. it's time for americans whether they are independent, moderate,
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republican and democrats to recognize it's not just policy issues on the line, but there is will be democracy. often we say the mid-terms is going to be about inflation and the economy. you know what the next economic issue is, whether or not someone chooses to another child. this is a private issue and americans need to recognize this is the e-beginning of an erosion of rights if they don't participate in the mid terms. >> core neshlg all the way down the line. at this point once roe is gone what, state you live in and who you elect as governor and your state legislature will literally determine whether or not you are state property the minute you become pregnant until they pass the national ban and then we're all really in trouble. you have seen some evidence that people are paying for some of the worst offenses. there is a democrat who won in michigan. bead a guy named r.j. regan. flipped that seat, it was a
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52-12 vote and this man told his daughter, the republican, the republican told his daughters lie back and enjoy it if they are ever raped, so that man lost. so that seems like good news. at least there's some line that voters will draw but the enthusiasm numbers for republicans have not been good. this is before the roe-breaking news. do you think that the literal end of the abortion rights changes that? >> a couple things, joy. one is take note that that was -- that was vice president harris in campaign mode. >> yeah. >> and she had the flair, the drawl, she had the energy there and i think we're going to see a lot more of vice president harris in campaign mode speaking to this issue about women's rights and rallying voters around and democrats desperately need her to do that. the other part about this it is the math, and, you know, i
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can't -- i'm not going to speak to sort of the moral piece of it, like maria did. i can't touch that as well as she did, but can i speak to the math of it, and here is the possibility. if you go back and look at what typically happens in a mid-term election, you look at the 2010 mid-term election and you look at 20914 mid-term election. 2010, the gender gap was actually nonexistent, right, and in 2014 democrats only won women by four points. that's very different from what you have in a general election, but in 2018 we won women by 15 points. will we have a reversion back to the mean or will we grow the gender gap? we have the opportunity to grow the gender gap. >> one would hope so. we're out of time. we have to continue this on another segment. let's go to a break. thank you both very much. still ahead, nbc's ameesh al
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the news that the supreme court is poised to overturn "roe v. wade" was an earthquake for millions of americans. shannon brewer, director of the jackson women's health organization, the mississippi clinic at the center of the case currently before the supreme
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court and the last remaining abortion clinic in the state got the news while at the airport. brewer spoke with nbc's yamiche alcindor in her first remarks since the draft opinion was leaked saying she was disappointed but not surprised. >> i'm a little too frustrated to actually comment on what's going on because i feel like they have shown what america is, what america has become. >> according to brewer, things are about to get far worse for women of color in conservative states like mississippi where access is already limited. >> i think it's going to be detrimental to the women of mississippi. i think it's a shot in the face. it's just like, bam, to women of color especially that the majority of what we're seeing here. i think it affects them more than any other race, and i think it's done purposely because it
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affects them. every time something goes on, every time women of color get something that makes them more equal, then it or something else is taken away. these people, they want to control everything with all women, they want to control women, period, but women of color are the ones that will be most affected by it. >> according to the kaiser family foundation people of cole knorr mississippi comprise 44% of the population but 821% of the people receiving abortions in the state. if the court overturns overturns roe, these women, often poor, will have a hard time traveling to another state to terminate a pregnancy and it will become more difficult where all states have a ban an abortion. take, for example, louisiana. there's a trigger law there that will ban all abortions if roe is overturned in all circumstances regardless of rape or incest.
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one anti-choice activist in mississippi told yamiche that they will not stop until abortions are unavailable to every single woman in america. >> we believe that we can abolish abortion in hour lifetime and we're never going to stop until abortion is fully abolished. >> joining me now from shreveport, louisiana is yamiche alcindor, anchor and moderator of "washington week" on pbs and nbc correspondent. you've been in two states talking to both anti-abortion activists and obviously with the woman from the last abortion cling left in mississippi. do you get a sense that on the side of people who want to provide these services that there's fear about the future. what do they think the future is going to look like? >> well. i've been driving across the south since this news broke that the supreme court was poised to overturn "roe v. wade" and can i tell you not only the fear but the concern and the devastation
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of people who are supportive of abortion rights is palp. a you heard shannon brewer say that she believes will be hurt by this, especially wimp color. i also asked to lillian, a 32-year-old, who has had three abortions. used to protest literally at this clinic which is really only three clinics in louisiana which has since used this clinic to get her abortions and has become an employee. she told me it's going to be dangerous if abortions are closed in louisiana and this region. here's a little bit what have she has to say. >> not everyone has the ability to travel and will take matters in their own hands, and i can't say i wouldn't do the same right now if abortion access was restrict. it's already become an extreme undue burden is very present here in the abortion process here in the south and it's already so difficult. it's already a waiting game.
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it's already expensive. without that -- without the little access we still have i would be lost, and i think most women would feel the same way. >> and, joy, she told me over and over again she feels privileged because she was able to get an abortion but she says it's really a right that's completely critical to women's lives here. in this state, if roe is overturned, women would have to drive something like 12 to 13, maybe even 14 hours to get to different states like illinois or maryland to access abortion, so this is going to be an incredible burden, health care officials tell me here. i, of course, have to say there are people celebrating the decision like the young man you pointed to, a culmination of the conservative movement's goal that they have been working on for more than 50 years. >> by the way, let me just note that the countries in the world that ban women from getting abortions are some of the
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poorest countries in the world and the places that you are, have some of the greatest poverty. these are states that don't provide even the basics in terms health care and services so this would make their states even poorer. seems to me to be by design. i've been seeing some of your other interviews, you've been doing really great work. you actually spoke with activists on the anti-abortion side who said their next stop is to go after gay marriage. can you talk a little bit about that. >> that's right. i spoke to a protester who is protesting for decades outside the last abortion clinic in mississippi, and i told him, i said, well, what would you do if this abortion clinic is closed, if you get what you want and he told me he would turn his gaze to same-sex marriage and start pushing the supreme court to abolish that, so what have you here is a conservative movement that's already focusing on the next thing, and the next thing is taking away rights from same-sex couples, and i should also say that there are people who are, of course, supporters of abortion rights who have that same fear. both sides are turk their gaze
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towards that issue and once you take a right away it's very hard to get it back, so that tells you a little bit about what people on the ground here are thinking about. >> by the way, the supreme court decisions on gay rights and gay marriage, et cetera, all hinge on the exact same right to privacy that the abortion right did hinge on. very quickly, louisiana legislature is concerning legislation during this year's session that would prohibit health care providers from remotely prescribing abortion-inducing pills over the phone making it illegal for them to be sent in the mail. yamiche alcindor, thanks for your great work. really appreciate you. >> republicans are in such a tizzy about the leak and they can't even find enough time to celebrate their win so what is that all about? tammy duckworth joins me next. lt tammy duckworth joins me next. f♪
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>> it seems to me, excuse the lecture, to concentrate on what the news is today, not a leaked draft but the fact that the draft was leaked. >> whoever did this leak should be prosecuted and should go to jail for a very long time. >> i don't know who did it. i hope we find out because the person or persons who did it really struck a blow against the rule of law. >> mm-hmm, an tack on the fabric of america on the courts, on democracy itself. let's not forgot that the right loves leaks when it's about hillary clinton or hunter biden but when the leak exposes them, suddenly it's an insurrection, an act of terrorism against the court. okay, so now you're mad about an insurrection, noted. and, of course, when all else fails, the right turns to a tried and true method which is to blame the black lady. >> i find it suspect that the first leak coming out of the supreme court in history comes
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shortly after judge jackson is confirmed. i want to know if her law clerks who i'm sure have already been hired, possibly even working at the high court already, before her swearing in have access to these draft decisions. she would be my first suspect when it comes to the leak. >> she's not on the court yet. it's all fake outrage to just distract from what the leak exposed, the deeply unpopular position to wage war on women's bodies. with former attorney general bill barr joining meghan kelly's podcast. not that he played footsie with an insurrectionist, a special counsel to find the scotus lyric. joining me now is team duckworth of illinois. senator, it's quite interesting that the right, you know, you did name any score, mike lee was
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out saying this. you've seen mitch mcconnell, et cetera. they want to just focus on the leak, but do you agree that the reason they are doing that is that they don't want us to pay attention to what they have done, the court they built that has stripped women of their rights? >> you are absolutely right. that is exactly what they want to. do they want to distract us, to be focused on something other than the fact that they have successfully mounted this long-term war against the right of women to control their own bodies and that they are on the verge of taking away a fundamental right that by the way 70% of americans support. 70% of americans have said that they do not support the overturning of "roe v. wade," so they want us to -- to focus on something else, and by the way, if you want to talk about insurrections, i'm sitting in seat a yard envelope away from where the insurrectionists broke into the u.s. capitol. that was an insurrection.
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this is something that will take away the fundamental right of twoim control their own bodies. >> it gets no more ridiculous than josh hawley who tends to be ridiculous, a guy who voted to overturn the election, to overturn the will of 80 million voters. he wants to the issue of time with an article titled, the sexes, abortion on demand, appeared on new stands hours before the decision was announced by harry blackmon, the justice. that has happened before. i don't recall anyone going to jail over it. but let's talk about what is going to happen next. is there an appetite -- particularly among the women in the united states senate, including some republican women, like lisa murkowski -- to codify road roe v. wade? >> i would hope so. but right now i think what we need to do is keep putting the
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bill on the floor. to codify it into law. and keep putting the republicans on record, on either voting for or against it. they need to stand up and either vote for or against it. we keep it on the floor for vote after vote after vote, to make it clear with the american people need to do is to vote this november and make sure that we have a majority in the senate and in the house, large enough to ensure that we can pass this legislation, to codified into law. >> is it possible to make that case? because there is a lack of motivation we have seen among democratic voters, anger over inflation and over not getting some of the things that president biden promised to do because of course he did not have the majority to do it. do you sense among your constituents enough anger to say, yeah, okay, democrats may not be perfect but the answer here is get us more democrats? >> listen, i think so. especially if people find out what is at stake here. this is not just about access
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to abortion. i mean, that in itself is more than enough to mount a campaign that can codify roe v. wade into law. but think about the things dependent on roe. i went through ivf, in vitro fertilization would be put in jeopardy. some of the procedures that my doctor performed to implant a fertilized egg would be considered manslaughter. people who want to start families won't be able to start families. we peoples and enumerated writes, that are not embedded in the constitution, like the right contraception, all these rights could be taken away -- if abortion rights do not get you angry, then i sure as heck people will get angry when they realized how many things could get taken away. interracial marriage, gay marriage, all sorts of rights that are not in the constitution, nowhere in the constitution's privacy written
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about -- so, this decision is going to gut, literally, decades of 100 years of precedents. we have to fight. i will tell you that i've been hearing from people all over the country, not just in number nine, who are ready to go. they are ready to take this to the polls in november. and we will win it. >> and do you fear that republicans will make good on their promises that some senators have already made? that if they take over the united states senate they will pass a national ban on abortion? >> i do fear that. because they have been as good as their word when it comes to the state legislatures. think of all the states that have those trigger laws, just waiting for road to be overturned. and then they would amount a decades long campaign to stack the supreme court. i mean, you have everything from president obama to seat a supreme court justice in his last year, all the way to the seating of amy coney barrett,
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dwindling to the final months of a presidential election campaign. they want this because they have told us that that is what they are going to do. we had better believe them. women travel 1000 vials so that they can access reproductive rights. we cannot let this happen across the country. >> and i think that alito claiming that, in his ruling, the draft ruling, that this only applies to abortion -- and don't worry, it doesn't apply to anything else -- he also said about bush v. gore, when they used it, that that's what he said about roe v. wade versus being settled law. should they believe anything he says? there was some talk about women being over educated, and women just needing to find a man. that is what they think about women, right? that women are just being to exist for men's pleasure. i do not see any evidence to the contrary. do you? >> the thing is, the women who are most likely to identify
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this are women who are often lower socioeconomic status women who cannot afford to take a month off to drive 1000 miles to access the clinic of their choice. the women who were on federally supported programs like medicaid -- the women who are struggling to make ends meet, to get by, the women who do not have criminal justice -- to present them -- we are undergoing a huge maternity crisis in this country from black women -- and brown women as well, they do this to advance health care. [inaudible] >> yeah, and are coming from for birth control pills next, guys. senator tammy duckworth, thank you very much. up next, a chilling milestone in the pandemic is reached. we'll be right back. be right back. clean ingredients... in a buttery brioche roll. made fresh, to leave you... speechless. panera's new chef's chicken sandwiches.
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