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fame. she turned down a proposal to build a statue of her at the tennessee state capital last year, after revealing she turned down the presidential medal of freedom, not once, but twice. and on a night when we note the million people lost to covid, please remember dolly parton, the queen herself, she donated 1 million dollars to moderna's vaccine efforts. she is the one who has encouraged everyone to get the shot. tonight in her statement, thanking the rocky -- she said, quote, i will continue to work hard, and try to live up to the honor. well it is an honor to get to speak about her tonight. on that note, i wish you all a very good night, and from all of our colleagues across the networks that nbc news, thank you for staying up late with us. i will see you at the end of tomorrow. d of tomorrow
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nation right now, i want to begin tonight with a different ruling. one from 1954, that was the year the supreme court ruled in anonymously in brown v. board that racial segregation in children in public schools was unconstitutional. the lawyers who argued the case before the supreme court, and what included the future supreme court justice thurgood marshall, he co-counsel stood after the ruling, to celebrate the victory. the express to hope, expectation that southern segregationist states would comply. >> it is my opinion that is law-abiding, and will comply against a decision that the board except. and members of our democratic party decided [inaudible] >> there's no question about it, and other people should all come down, and there is never been any problems [inaudible]
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[inaudible] >> this may be a bit of an ironic foreshadowing there because there were of course several critics of the relaying. mostly from southern segregationist states. one of the -- of that decision even years later, was this man, jerry falwell, one of the most prominent leaders of the evangelical america. this is a little bit of a serving that he gave his congregation and lynchburg, virginia, years after that ruling was -- quote, if chief justice warren's associates had known god's word and his desire to do the lords will, i am quite confident that the 1954 decision would never have been made. the facility should be separate, when god has drawn a lot of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line. the true negro does not want integration.
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he realizes potential is far better among his own race. and quote. falwell went on to assert the integration quote will destroy our race eventually. in the aftermath of brown v. board segregation became a motivating factor, including for the evangelical movement. more than 3000 private schools in academies popped up in the years after the ruling, white students instructed separately at a park from glatt students despite the court decision. some of those institutions include falwell's lynchburg christian academy, which was founded in 1967. years after the brown v. board decision, when the government tried to deny tax exempt status to segregated private schools, folks like jerry falwell were enraged. other schools like the fundamentalists bob jones university went to court over the matter arguing that racial segregation was a religious matter.
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they lost, the decision was nearly unanimous. the history shows that the pioneers for the pioneers of the evangelical movement, for people like jerry falwell, segregation was a motivating factor long before abortion was. in fact in 1973, when the supreme court decided roe v. wade, evangelicals aren't exactly motivated by roe, in fact the former president of america's longest protestant domination southern baptist convective, actually endorsed the ruling roe v. wade he said quote, i've always felt that it was only after child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person. and it has always there for seem to me, that what is best for the mother and the future should be allowed. and quote. in fact, in 1971 before the decision and roe v. wade that same protestant group resolved to seek probable russian legislation that will allow the procedure in certain cases and
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they reaffirm that resolution in the year after row. in 1974, pushing for legislation that would allow people to choose abortion in specific instances. it was not until years after the roe ruling that the evangelical movement decided that coalescing around abortion was the way to unify religious groups. and gain political power. -- and the continues and ridgewood proved to be a less than possible way to motivate evangelical voters on a broad scale. not enough to win elections, so that's where the issue of abortion came in. senate races in minnesota, iowa in 1978 showed that antiabortion pro life movement could unite the religious right, and give them real political power. and minnesota pro life republicans won two senate seats, in iowa the democratic incumbent senator dick clark was expected to win by a
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landslide, he did not. primarily due to the work of mostly catholic, pro life activists. -- federal funding for abortions for low income women, he opposed an amendment that restricted abortions, so antiabortion activists rallied in support about him out. >> richard clark, six years in the u.s. senate and then out on one issue. the one political insiders said didn't matter. >> i had voted for public -- on abortion, constitutional amendment to support that, my opponent said he would so was a clear cut case. one of the first in the united states i think in the senate. >> the antiabortion movement has political clout. that surprised a lot of journalist, political analysts who believed that those people made a lot of noise but not much difference. >> after those 1978 races, those people resolve to make a whole lot more noise and in a very organized way, in a letter to federal conservatives or to
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a fellow conservative, another concert of they have activists in a leader of the religious right paul --, characterize those antiabortion victories as quote, true cause for celebration. another conservative activists predicted that opposition to abortion would quote, pull together many of our fringe christian friends, end quote. that was the plan to bottle up all of that ire that evangelicals felt about segregation, and concentrated on abortion making sweeping moral arguments against health care that they claim was founded in religion. that was the plan to build political power, republican politicians campaigned accordingly. and 1980, republican candidate for president ronald reagan, campaigned on a constitutional amendment prohibiting abortion. it's one of the issues that health center the white house, he began support of those opposed to abortion and he won the presidency ousting jimmy
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carter. the 1980 saw the reagan administration focus increasingly on abortion and the rise of the federalist society, and a trip trend towards -- like this man robert york, a failed supreme court nominee who criticize the justice system, who wrote the route brown v. board decision. -- brett continued through the trump administration in 2015. trump courted and forged a coalition with the religious right, with figures like jerry falwell junior, to secure their backing and their funding and notoriously released a list of conservative justice, who he would nominate if elected. his then running mate pledged during their campaign, their traditional nominees would bring an end to roe once and for all. >> we appoint strict instructions to the supreme court of united states, as donald trump intends to do, i believe we'll see role versus wade consigned to the ashy of history, --
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>> and they did, trump appointed three conservative judges. and this week with the leap drop of them condemning roe, asked week, we can see how this is all very likely to shake out. with role gone, minority women will likely bear the brunt of this new upcoming restriction on their health care. not to mention the fact that the draft opinion was written away that could dismantle other rights, things like the right to same sex marriage, the right to contraception, interracial marriage, privacy all of these things are now on the table. the religious right charted this decades ago, in their anger over segregation to build power on the back of abortion, and dismantle the rights they don't care for. and so far, it seems to be working. joining us now is -- president pro-choice america for eight years, she authored the lie that binds, a book that offers a comprehensive history of the right wing anti abortion movement in america, and its ties to white supremacy.
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miss hoge, thank you for being here tonight, you've made this connection very clearly in your book, it's not one people think about very clearly on the opposition, the conservative opposition, is not necessarily about conservative ally is it's about power. >> absolutely. and more than that ali, it's about power of the minority over arising majority, you need to remember about these machinations -- but what's happening most of that in american culture you had the rise of women's liberation, the black power movement, you have the widely available contraception, so sexual liberation gave rights. it was all threatening the hegemonic bed that the white patriarchy had enjoyed since the beginning of the united states as we know it. and all of that was being threatened in the moment, that there was -- a decision to weaponize abortion, to rollback decades of social progress. and i think the lesson we need to learn from that, is that
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although they would want us to believe that this big decision should come to -- 's endgame and it will stop with abortion and abortion isn't always has been a trojan horse for a desperate cling to power by the white patriarchy in a country that is rapidly changing for decades. >> that's a remarkable thing for a lot of people to think about. one doesn't think about the elimination of roe v. weighed as a trojan horse, they think of it as an endgame. they think of that as a capture of the whole thing, tell me what you think about trojan horse? what do you believe in this quest for power, is in danger? >> it's an excellent question. and allow me to say because it's very important, that if it
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was only abortion, that should be enough. right? abortion is fundamental freedom that has to be embraced barr our nation as a core value in order to actually aspire to that promise of democracy, justice, and human empowerment. so, period. however, that's not all that thereafter, whether if you look at the history which we say we did a tremendous job, ali, we worked really hard during in scituate research in the book, whether you just look at the actual decision and the way it's come down, it is written in such a way that nothing is sacrosanct. that all of these rights that we have achieved our groups that lived on the margins of society, because they were not written into the constitution the way white men were. all of those rights are in jeopardy. let's be clear, one of the things we've always said, is if you don't have the power for the majority with you, and by the way if the legal right to
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abortion has always been a popular opinion with the majority. pre roe, when roe went down, and it is today. we don't have the power, what do you do? you resolve to disinformation, which abortion disinformation predated covid disinformation by a lot. it traveled a lot of the same -- my first impression always goes hand in hand. with robbing women of reproductive freedoms and court capture. we may be at the endgame of court capture, unless we make some radical and dramatic changes, but we're not at the endgame of what this court will dismantle in terms of rights of others that they did not recognize in the original eyes -- >> so, let's talk about what happens now and how people who are concerned about this motivate decision-makers at any level whether -- when you say abortion should be
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enough, if there is nothing else, if that were the endgame, that should be enough. that's true. but when you add that extra part about these other things that are not enumerated in the constitution, which some lawyers say is weak t, that strangers lots of rife to enjoy that are not enumerated in the constitution. when you add all of those things that could be taken away, should that motivate more people otherwise not motivated by roe v. wade, rights in general are starting to be dismantled across this country, and this becomes a detention to our democracy? >> do i wish everyone was motivated by the rights to abortion, because robbing women and practical of the reproductive autonomy should be enough, absolutely i do. however, if that's not your motivation, you should not think you are safe, there is the old adage of they did not come for me so i did not fight. they are coming for all of us, unless you look like them, and believe like them and now they believe with the power that --
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they don't have as the power of the people. they independent our willingness to believe that we are beaten, and to go home. and i'll tell you having been at the supreme court myself last night i was invigorated the fact that people are not going home. they're coming out, and they're gonna continue to come out whether it's abortion, funds or for legislation flow, or four -- people are coming. >> thank you for work thank you so much for taking to be with us tonight to help us understand. the lie that binds she is a former president america, we've got much more ahead here tonight including new development in the january six investigation, big developments, but up next a democrat did something in michigan last night that no other democrat has done in decades, they beat a republican in a very red district, that democrat joins us live next. xt >> tech: need to get your windshield fixed? safelite makes it easy. >> tech vo: you can schedule in just a few clicks.
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congressional district. by no means, a deep red district. currently, represented by the democrat, marcy captor. thanks to redistricting, it is now considered a swing district. there were several republican contenders, in that swing can get a signal district. a state senator, and then go of the ohio state house. and then, there was this guy. >> you may remember me is the guy who painted his long with the world's largest trump 2020 campaign logo, which really triggered the left. >> i'm willing to do whatever it takes to return this country back to its former glory. if i need to kick down doors, that's what patriots do. >> the kicking down the door is what caught my attention, it was the big gun. that guy's name is jr much you ski. he was one of the people who attended the stop the steal rally, on january 6th.
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he is raising money to bring trump supporters there are, that day. he made the world's largest trump campaign lawn sign, here he is, posting with it. while wearing one of several qanon shorts that he is, reportedly, to have once owned. he also mixes own maga rapid eo, so even i have limits, but you won't get to hear his rap tunes. here is the thing, jr won last night's primary to be the republican candidate, in that important swing district. he is not the only fringe candidate to have one last night. ohio republicans, electing the election denier, maximal or, to be their candidate in ohio's seventh district. the daily beast described max miller as, quote, a former white house aide, with a thin resume, and rap sheet, including multiple charges in his home state of ohio for assault, disorderly conduct, and resisting arrest. and quote. incidentally, unlike jr, miller's rap sheet is not about lyrics. last year, they endorsed to run against an incumbent republican,
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who voted to certify joe biden's election victory. that incumbent republican, and then quitting the race, rather than face a trump backed challenger. then, redistricting pushed maximal or into a different district, with a different republican incumbent, who, also, had to retire, instead of facing a trump backed challenger. so, thanks to max miller, ohio republicans are now down to two incumbents, but at least they have the wrapping yard sign guy. instate, after state, we see trump backed republicans win their party's nomination, running on a platform of conspiracy theories about how the 2020 election was stolen. but, while election conspiracy candidates win republican primaries, where they run against each other, they have less luck when facing off against democrats, even in an election cycle, supposed to favor republicans. last night, michigan held a special election, for a vacant house seat. trump had won the district by
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double digits in 2020. he had been represented by republicans for more than three decades. so, the conventional wisdom, was that this would be an easy republican victory. the republican in that race, a conservative, qanon, conspiracy theorist. he claimed ukraine was, quote, culpable for its invasion by russia. he ran on a platform of trying to decertify the 2020 election. and, at one point, he used a very unfortunate metaphor for that fight. >> having three daughters, i tell my daughters, unavoidably, she should just lie, back and enjoy it. >> seeing the shocked look on the face of the woman next to him? that woman, a fellow republican. the democrat, running against the fringe qanon rape joke guy, decided she would make that candidates extremism, and conspiracy theories, a focus of her campaign, and it worked. the democrat, carol glenville, one of the special election for the state house seat, deep this
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is that people are tired of radicalism, and conspiracy theories. joining us now, carol glenville, the democratic michigan state representative-elect, who won that special election. miss glenville, thank you for joining us, congratulations on your victory. let me start by asking you, do you think your race was a special case because of the only thing your opponent said? the weird stances he had? or, is it a model that can be ripped replicated by other democrats, who can call extremist candidates outs on the belief that they have? >> i would say, probably, both of those things. what i found, going door to door, running a campaign, here in west michigan's, is that people, really, we're able to
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come around voting for values. those shared values. and, working to promote our community. they are interested in the things that affect them on the day-to-day basis. late great public school, strong public schools, clean water, good jobs for working families, comprehensive health care. so, they are not interested in this fearmongering, hatred, and vitriol, and radicalism. they are tired of it. that was demonstrated in my election last night. for me, winning that seat, clearly, there needed to be bipartisan support for my candidacy. no message resonates with folks. >> the numbers indicate that. no way to win that just by democratic votes. so, what do you say to people that say, that democrats, in this election cycle, need to focus solely on pocketbook issues? the economy, inflation, these kinds of things. to not get distracted by election conspiracies, an
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extremist antics? >> i would say, we need to stand up, for what we know is the right thing. the common sense, decency, and those solid fundamental values, that, at the end of the day, is whatever one wants. it's where everyone is looking for. so, you are right. we should not get distracted by these things, but we should not ignore, them either. it's time to call them out. i feel, like sometimes, the democratic party is a little too nice. for the people from the midwest, this might not resonate with you as much, but we tend to be very nice, as democrats. i think it's time for us to say enough is enough. to start calling these things out, and start talking about what folks want to hear. >> i'm from canada, so i get the midwest nice thing. there are two election deniers, running for statewide office in michigan. one of them, running for the position that would oversee the elections, in the entire state.
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how did that resonate? when you were talking to people, as you were campaigning, do people care about that stuff? the actual election integrity issue that has become so central to michigan politics? >> i think election integrity is another one of the misconceptions that the republican party is throwing out there. they wrap their message in, what's sounds like something that people would be interested in, when, in fact, it is anti-democratic. everything the talk about anti-education, anti-democratic, anti-health care, anti-everything, but they wrap it in this conundrum. the message is confusing. when you hear election integrity, it's also something, yes, we should get around that. but when you understand, what they mean by election integrity, and stripping voting rights from people, closing polling stations, disallowing absentee voting, things like that, that
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is not election integrity. that is just a way to suppress the vote, and that is how they think they can win. they can't win with the vote, so they try to limit the people who can vote. >> carol, thank you for joining us tonight. carol glenville, in the michigan elect, we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> coming up next, the january six investigation, interviewing donald trump jr. today. but, that's not the most intriguing thing we learned about the investigation. that is next. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ we hit the bike trails every weekend
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investigation interviewed one of its highest profile witnesses yet, the former presidents son, donald trump jr., political reports did he was conducted voluntarily without a subpoena and lasted several hours. no word on what was discussed, but investigators no doubt were interested in don junior's texts with the chief of staff, of course in conversations he may have had with his father. and here is one more piece of january six news you should know about, a few months ago, you may recall that this gentleman was arrested by federal agents, this is his mugshot their's name is stewart rhodes, and he eye patch and all -- is the leader of a right-wing dressed up pseudo-paramilitary organization called the oath keepers. he was arrested, charged with seditious conspiracy, conspiracy against the united states government, stewart rhodes led a group of oath keepers to washington on january six. several of those oath keepers arrange themselves in these military stack formation, which formed a sort of spear for the actual breaking into the capitol that day. the indictment of stewart
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rhodes and ten other oath keepers including seditious conspiracy describes what they planned that day as the quote, plot to oppose by force the 2020 lawful transmittal presidential power. on the 6th of january, oath keepers were not actively storming the cap but all, they were stationed what they called quick reaction force, just outside of washington, d. c., where the stockpiled weapons presumably ready to be able to access them on short notice in the coming blazing cavalry ask. new developments on this case, one that they bring the oath keepers plot that day one step closer to president trump and his inner circle. the leader of the north carolina chapter of the oath keepers tonight played at least seditious conspiracy charge, he's now the third oath keeper to do so. mr. wilson, that's his name, has agreed to cooperate with federal prosecutors as part of
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his plea, he's told him about one alarming episode about which we previously did not know. william todd wilson says that around 5 pm on january 6th, him in stewart rhodes and other oath keepers left the capitol and went to a nearby hotel. at the hotel quote, roads gathered wilson another coconspirators inside of a private suite. roads then called an individual over speakerphone. wilson heard roads repeatedly implore the individual to tell president trump to call upon groups like the oath keepers to forcibly oppose the transfer of power. this individual denied roads request to speak directly with president trump after the call ended roads said to the group, i just want to fight. so, the leader of this paramilitary group led a bunch of people stationed in stockpiled weapons just add of washington, d. c., tried to get in touch with president trump
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more than 100 evacuees yesterday, buses brought the first group of evacuees who had been held up in the steel plant in mariupol, no food and water as russian forces continue to batter that city. washington post reported on the effort that took to get in safety that quote, several dozens of civilians finally stepped above ground on friday to meet un-backed evacuation convoy, that first daylight in weeks felt like it was burning peoples eyes, as the scene they witnessed set some into shock. for the most part lonely women and children able to join the evacuation effort, as the russians did not allow young men and fighting age to leave. at least three mothers interviewed by most reporters said that they ultimately had to make a choice stay with their husbands, or save their children. the post adds that the drive normally takes less than four hours, but because of active shelling, shooting, and numerous russian kept checkpoints along the way, it
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turned into a grinding 36 hour ordeal. when the buses arrived in zaporizhzhia, the passengers looked shattered. joining us now for -- correspondent that wrote that report, louisa lovelock, miss lovelock world chief of the bashing pose and been reporting on the ground in ukraine for the past month. louisa, thank you for joining us, you have been speaking to some of these evacuees who really do appear to be -- in a sea. should they vendor the reality of devastation to their community, outside the plant, what have you learned? >> well, when these buses pull in, what really strikes me was that although the waited so long to get here, when they arrive they are exhausted. this is what strikes you as the silent, they sit there, they look at the window, some of them don't move very much they have their kids, their luggage.
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and you can just see really on their faces, the devastation of what they've been through, often [inaudible] and of course we as press have talked to them, these are people who need months, potentially years, so from the estimates we've heard for them are deeply harrowing that i suspect are very -- >> and, part of the problem of the prices that were not close to that. so, we rely on information coming out of the area and variable, and when you meet these people but it's not just what they've been, through right. they're still going through, the reporting the fact that in many cases they separated families, they've made one of choice to have to make. leave your spouse, your husband behind to save your children. that's gotta be devastating, that can't be something they feel a great deal of relief about? >> exactly, and when you talk
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to people who've come out and you try to understand a little bit about what is happening, and how -- one things people often say is listen, i don't know how i'm feeling it. they're still very much in the throes of what's happening to them. women as you say had to choose whether they stay with their husband, or take their children out. one of the families we were talking to said that women had signs, she had to take the children out was that the children had almost got used to the situation inside. she had two kids, one was 14 and one was ten, and the first month they were shaking at night, they were crying a lot. and the second night as conditions really got a lot worse, they were sending dust and swirling out through the ceiling and down so it hurt their breathing. they were quiet, they are withdrawn, and she was saying that either way day-by-day when the time came to make that decision she had to say goodbye
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to her husband, and get on that bus and leave. and we've seen since -- that russia has redoubled its effort to attack the plant, and you know these people once they got to the evacuation point, because often they haven't had no cell, first time they're actually learning in the outside world what's really been happening above ground. we saw people watching the smoke in the air, over the planet and i think it was really stunning to see, what they left behind and who they had left by. and >> lisa, we've been concentrating on eastern and southeastern ukraine, where russia has been focusing its attention. you're in -- the middle of the country basically, the niqab river that divides ukraine from east and west, we're hearing reports of airstrikes around new -- have you heard anything? >> well yes, one of them was very close to hotel last night, these strikes were one of an ongoing campaign of attacks of industry option was the russian of course is trying to prop them. ukrainian forces country why but i think one of the things it's very important to
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understand is that yes, they move military equipment, yes they move soldiers. but they also move -- civilians. we've been turning up to the railway station almost daily, to talk to rail workers about how they feel about basically working in a place that is a lifeline -- when the most dangerous places in ukraine. a couple days on where there was an explosion over the railway station that we were at, and it was i think very telling about what we saw, the evacuation train was ready to go, hundreds of people on board, the rail workers scattered, they were terrified, on the train where you had the people and the shelling, they just sat again, they were silent, and they sat through the window and you could see all the rail workers were pretty much -- people that came out of this prison ready for evacuation
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were deep in the throes of it, and. >> what a thing to get used to, to be okay with the sound of shelling because it is a regular occurrence in your life. lisa stay safe, thank you very much for your reporting, louisa -- bureau chief for the washington post base now in ukraine while this war is going on. miss lovelock, we thank you for making time, it's in the middle of the night now it's almost five in the morning in ukraine. thank you. coming up next why one woman who spent her life bringing abortion in red states, isn't giving up.
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times on august 4th of 1991. quote, the one story clinic, women's health care services, run by doctor george artillery, has become the lightning rod for the battle. and quote. in what became known as the summer of mercy, thousands of members of an anti abortion group called operation rescue descended on the city of wichita for months, using their bodies to physically block access to abortion clinics, often while screaming threats and prayers at the clinics workers and patients. thousands of protesters were arrested and took a quarter of wichita's entire police force to control the crowds. as the new york times reported at the time, quote, the protesters say the confrontation here is the beginning of the fight that is building as the supreme court moves closer, they, say to overturning roe v. wade, the decision that legalized abortion in 1973. and quote. that was also the summer that our next guest -- started working at that very
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abortion clinic in wichita on a summer break from college. every other abortion clinic in wichita had closed because of the continued harassment, but women's health care services did not. doctor george tillar and -- kept it open for nearly two more decades, despite it all. then on may 31st 2009, the only remaining abortion provider in the entire city of wichita kansas, doctor george taylor was shot in the head and killed by an antiabortion extremist. for about four years after the murder of george tillar, 400,000 people of wichita had no abortion providers. other doctors were understandably scared off by threats and harassment that women's health care services clinic shutdown. but in 2013, julie burke are reopened. because doctors did not feel comfortable living in which a top given its violent history with abortion providers -- she later opened a second
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clinic oklahoma city, the first new abortion clinic in the state of oklahoma in more than 40 years. given her work over the years, it is no wonder that julia has become a trusted voice on the show. our producers visited her clinic in wichita. now she is the founder of a group called -- health access that has plans to access another reproductive health care clinic in wyoming this summer, providing abortion services. wyoming is one of the many states by the way that recently passed was known as a trigger law, it is a law that would ban abortions in wyoming automatically five days after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. which given the news this week, could happen fairly soon. julia has been on the front lines of the battle for reproductive health in this country, and over again for more than 30 years. it is where she finds herself once again. joining us now, julie, the founder of the wealth health access, former ceo of the trust
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woman foundation. julie, thank you so much for being with us. this story means something very different for you handed us for many people. obviously it affects everybody differently. but you have literally been on the frontlines. you worked with george taylor, who was violently murdered, as part of this fight. what is going through your mind, today, in this week, after seeing this draft supreme court opinion, that overturns roe, or will overturn roe? >> well, thank you. i must say, when i looked at the draft opinion that came out, and read the opinion i can say that i was devastated, as we're all of us, across this country, who fight so hard for reproductive health care, and access to reproductive health care. it was quite a gut punch. but, one thing, that i feel is
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very important for us to remember in this time, is that abortion is still illegal, that we cannot let this derail, and distract us, from our work that is right in front of us at this moment in time. it was quite a horrific draft opinion. i could not believe that i was reading it, but, it was right there, on the page. >> we've spoken to a number of abortion service providers over the last couple of days, and they have said, recently, and in recent months, particularly in the states that have imposed restrictions, or in states neighboring those, who've imposed restrictions, that they have switch their works, not just from the provision of abortion services, counseling, and health care, but into logistics. they look on how to travel, where to get the money from, things like that.
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it's a step further than more have been seeing. it is going to continue with a new clinic. >> yes, absolutely. it is going to open this clinic, in the state of wyoming, and they are very close to opening their doors. it is going to be in underserved state, for many years, and we are going to be there with a couple other providers, in the state. we will be adding procedural abortion care, as well as a full spectrum, free productive health care, as well as gender affirming care, as well. this and it is access to health care, a quality and health care, namely abortion care, in the state of wyoming. we are moving full steam ahead. >> let me ask you about oklahoma. the governor of oklahoma, just yesterday, signed oklahoma's own trigger law, which would allow a private citizen that, and it is going to aid, and abet women, seeking an abortion,
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after six weeks of pregnancy. how does that work for people like you? you would be considered someone who aids, and a bats, and abortion in a place like oklahoma. >> that's correct. it doesn't end there. it has impacts with family, friends, colleagues, and it puts people in a situation where they cannot be open, and honest. it is incredibly dangerous, and harmful, to people across this country, in the states where this might stand, and where they could access reproductive health care. i was incredibly disappointed, but not surprised, governors did sign that. >> julie bernard, thank you for your time tonight, thank you for the time that you have given this important issue for more than three decades. julie burke hart, founder of wellspring health access. we appreciate you being with us. that does it for us tonight,
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