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and we'll make this a national holiday. nay. holi-week. just say watchathon into your voice remote to watch now. i'm matt bradley reporting from ukraine with "way too early," and we're having
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technical diffies and that's why i'm introducing the show from ukraine. we want to bring you up to date what is going on overnight and the last couple of days. here in zaporzhiazhia, receiving evacuees from the besieged city of mariupol to the southeast and last night, the associated press announced some 600 people may have been killed in that theater attack a couple of weeks ago, by russian forces in mariupol. now, that's far exceeding the number that had previously been reporting. and really points to what has been a lot of talk here about war crimes, committed by the russian forces, both in mariupol and further to the west in the capital of kyiv. now, this city has seen bombardment for most of the past several weeks. all of that is focused and all of the eyes of the world are focused on the azovstal steel plant, where civilians and soldiers have taken refuge underneath. and we have referred in this city, just in the last couple of
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days, dozens of people from underneath the azovstal steel warks and horrify by what they saw and now safe but so many of them they left husbands and sons and fathers underneath that steel plant to fight as part of the ukrainian military, and the last pocket of position in that besieged city. and speaking to them over the last couple of days shall and just yesterday, i spoke with one woman who had to leave her son. there she is here safe. like so many ukrainians who came from underneath the steelworks, her thoughts are with her son and continued fighting there. and here is what she had to say to me. >> your son is still there. still in azovstal, is that correct, he's fighting? >> what was it like leaving him?
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>> so for so many people who have come out of azovstal, they came here to our hotel and we have been speaking to them the last couple of days and again, they're focused on their loved ones who are still there and we heard from ukrainian authorities that the fighting there, the russian bombardment of that steelworks has continued and maybe more ferocious than it was before. however, the russian ministry of defense announced last night that they were opening still more what they call, or will call humanitarian corridor, over the next couple of days, to allow people from underneath azovstal and the surrounding en of mariupol to finally come out, to drive here to safety and we have no way how well that has been going and it is supposed to have started 8:00 a.m. local
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time, three hours ago, or four hours ago, excuse me. we are still waiting to see if that is going to work, because the fact that russians and ukrainians have agreed humanitarian corridors the past couple of months and they haven't always worked out. ukrainians have accused the russians of bombarding those corridors and having to stop them. now, "way too early" will be back in just a moment. st a mome. my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis... ...the burning, the itching. the stinging. my skin was no longer mine. emerge tremfyant®. with tremfya®, most people saw 90% clearer skin at 16 weeks. the majority of people saw 90% clearer skin even at 5 years. tremfya® is the first medication of its kind also approved for adults with active psoriatic arthritis... ...and it's 6 doses a year after 2 starter doses. serious allergic reactions may occur. tremfya® may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms
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and my mind just feels sharper. i would recommend it to anyone. it absolutely works. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. welcome back to "way too early." our apologies for technical difficulties and our thanks to matt bradley for his reporting and anchoring from ukraine. moving on to other news, the biden administration is still scrambling to contain the fallout after a leaked document signaling the supreme court may be ready to overturn roe v. wade. the white house is trying to come up with a game plan to protect abortion rights but options are limited. according to the waurp, officials are discussing whether
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funding possibly through medicaid or another mechanism, could be made available to women to travel across state lines for an abortion, but many doubt whether that is actually feasible. there has also been debate over potential executive and regulatory action that the administration could take but officials privately recognize that any administrative action would face legal challenges from republican attorneys general. president biden is pushing congress to codify roe v. wade into law, and senate democrats have vowed to do just that. >> it is vite thal we act quickly. because this is no longer an abstract exercise. this is as real as it gets, america. as real as it gets. >> the problem is, with the filibuster in place, senate democrats don't have the votes. in february, senate republicans blocked the women's health protection act. a bill that would have codified roe v. wade into law. at the time republican senator susan collins and lisa murkowski
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didn't back the legislation. murkowski said yesterday she will consider the bill with changes. >> i would actually like to see what changes, if any, have been made to that. as you know, i did not support it last time, because i don't think, i think it was overexpansive. if there is something new that is on the table today, obviously, we will take a look. >> evidently yer this week, i reported that president biden and his team are looking to turn the midterms into a contrast with donald trump and the republicans and now that plan appears to be in full motion. >> the united states senator in florida, with the senatorial campaign committee released what he calls the ultra maga agenda, it is a maga agenda all right. let me tell you about this ultra maga agenda, it self treem as
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most maga things are. what happens is if you have states changing the law saying that children who are lbgtq can't be in classrooms with other children. is that legit? on the way the decision? what are the next things that are going to be attacked? because this maga crowd is really most extreme political organization that has existed in american history. >> white house press secretary jen psaki was asked about the shift in messaging at yesterday's press briefing. >> we heard them say and that is the campaign trail, don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative, and i expect you will hear him with that mantra much more out there over the next coming months. he has been struck, because he has talked about this as you mentioned this morning, and he has also made comments over the last several days about the direction of some in the
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republican party, the maga direction about some of the republican party and he has been struck by the hold predecessor has had on far too many member, not all but far too many members of the party and what we're seeing, the late effort index makes clear they are at war with mickey mouse and against women making choices on their own health care and the war against prescription drug and if that remains the platform, the president's view is that it is the mainstream of the country. >> the focus won't be on trump directly but on the candidates who are quote under the whim of the former president. another top official in washington has tested positive for covid-19. the state department says secretary of state antony blinken tested positive yesterday after experiencing mild symptoms. secretary blinken is vaccinated and boosted. the white house says blinken has not been around the president for several days. and he is not considered a close contact to biden.
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the president last tested negative on tuesday. blinken was one of the thousands who attended the white house correspondents dinner and accompanying events last weekend, dozens of positive cases have rolled in connected to those events. the united states has lost more than one million people to covid-19 and yet that number is just the beginning. nbc news national correspondent gabe guiterrez has the details. >> it was once unthinkable. it's reality. one million people have died in the u.s. from covid-19 according to the latest news count. >> lisa wilson, of palm beach, county, florida, lost her gram to the virus last year. >> it was so terrifying. my aunt called me, and she said something is wrong with her. she was laying across the bed and she was like gasping for air. >> lisa would say goodbye not
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just to her grandmother but to her uncle. and four cousins within weeks. in all, six relatives claimed by covid. >> it was very, very hard. >> back in march of 2020, the streets were deserted and morgue trucks first appeared outside hospitals for the idea, of many americans, who felt like a million covid deaths seemed far-fetched. >> we could get in the range of 100,000 to 200,000 fatalities. >> diagnosing the first cases in new york, before the world health organization declared the outbreak a global pandemic. >> when you first made that diagnosis, did you have any idea what this pandemic would become? >> i don't think any of us did. >> we spoke with her in central park at former site of a makeshift field hospital. >> it's really been something that i think has fundamentally changed who i am.
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and how i think about medicine and how i think about my patients. >> so many families including lisa wilson and her husband are reflecting on the lives lost, and the lessons learned. >> all of my family, the members who deceased from covid, they were not vaccinated. so it saves lives. >> even seven figures can't measure the grief. >> we love you. >> one million deaths. still ahead, donald trump helped jd vance win ohio this week proving he remains a force in the gop and we will talk about what that means for the small but noticeable resurgence of anti-trump sentiment within the republican party. we're back in a moment. thin the republican party we're back in a moment at do youk healthier looks like? cvs can help you support your nutrition, sleep, immune system, energy ...even skin. so healthier can look a lot cvs. healthier happens together. this is a game changer who dares to be fearless even when her bladder leaks.
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got to stay aggressive and attack. beautiful. one of eight from three tonight. just extraordinary. a great pass. >> that play worked. miami's key player had a couple of dunks midway through the fourth quarter and threw one up for jimmy butler and the heat once again took advantage of the very small team without joel embbi and won the game last night to give the heat a 2-0 lead in the conference series. the sixers hope to have embiid back on the court tomorrow. the dallas mavericks
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suffered another loss to the suns last night. phoenix spoiled be a effort from doncic and chris paul had a fourth quarter. and suns rolled over the mavs 129-109. now, to the stanley cup playoffs. we begin with the action on the ice in the hockey hot bed of raleigh, north carolina. the hurricanes overcame the early loss of another goal tender to beat my bruins 5-2 last night. carolina takes a 2-0 lead in the first round series. this is a physical game. the hurricanes beat up on the bruins. the series shifts to boston in game three tomorrow. bruins in desperate straits. in the other eastern conference matchup, let's go to toronto, the two-time defending champion tampa bay lightning got even with the maple leaves. they bounced back, with a shutout loss in game one with a 5-3 victory last night.
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out west, in minnesota, they play in saint paul. and the wild evened their series against the st. louis blues with a 6-2 win last night. and the edmonton oilers scored six goals in a shutout win over the los angeles kings. turning now to major league baseball and you may remember, we talked about this story yesterday. now we got more tears of joy, shed by the young yankee fan who became a viral sensation earlier this week, after this scene in the stands in toronto. the 9-year-old, who was gifted the aaron judge homerun ball by a blue jays fan was a sweet moment and yesterday, that fan got to meet his favorite player. the boy teared up, i love this kid, despite misguided baseball allegiances and he was greeted by judge inside the dugout before the game and signed a homerun ball and handed over
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batting gloves. as for the game itself, judge struck out three times and stranding game time runners on third base in the 6th and 8th innings. the blue jays and yks series. and as we look at the umpiring, it has become a major story line early in major league baseball. a lot of bad calls and this bizarre moment on the field in miami yesterday. arizona starter madison bumgarner was ejected for directing profanity at an umpire during a lengthy check for foreign substances in the first inning. to give a sense of how ordinary it was, compare it to the check of the opposing pitcher hernandez who was given a quick touch and headed back to the dugout. these checks are routine after virtually every inning and even more strange, look at this. first base umpire, his gaze never left bumgarner's face as he appeared to massage the
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lefty's palm for several moments before bumgarner reacted and then ejected. we have not heard the rest of the story. and a lot of news to get to. we will turn back to politics now. ohio republican senate nominee jd vance turned to trumpism but it may not be endearing him to the party in washington. vance won the republican nomination for senate in his state on tuesday, thanks in part to an endorsement from former president trump. this just after vance declared himself a never-trumper and used tv appearances and twitter to talk about the president and now his allegiance with trump is making him enemies with the republican establishment in washington. many privately regard vance with the same disgust they felt toward trump when he entered the white house in 2017. and the aforementioned lauflin
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markay, axios reporter, joining us now. in your new reporting, you detail key names who helped convince former president trump that jd vance was indeed worth endorsing. tell us about this. who are they? >> yes, donald trump jr. was perhaps the biggest one. he's really been pushing vance privately for a while. long before the endorsement actually came. tucker carlson was a huge backer. and of course, the most popular cable host on tv right now. and just immensely popular with a pretty influential sub-set of the republican base. so it was folks who have the former president's ear and who knew how to, you know, how to sell him to the former president, in a way that would overcome the past comments that you mentioned, when vance had expressed, you know, pretty public and strong misgivings
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about trump when he first ran for president back in '16. >> certainly former president's hold on the republican party evidenced in terms of how the republican field for 2024 remains frozen. i have a new story out this morning from "politico," noted that we're likely headed for a rematch between president biden and former president trump, both far more likely to run if the other does, but neither wants to make the first move. obviously, an incumbent president, no one is going to challenge him for a primary. no one seriously in the party. but the dynamic with trump is interesting. republicans still waiting to see when he will dive in and it might not be until some time next year. lauflin, i want you to stay with me because i want you to talk about the next story, two of the president's children have testified before the house select committee investigating the january 6th capitol attack. donald trump jr., and he played a big role in vance's election, as well, and he reportedly appeared voluntarily before the committee on tuesday. nbc news reports he spent two hours with the panel via video
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conference. one source described the session as quote pretty uneventful. according to "politico," the committee was interested in his knowledge of his father's attempted efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election, and the texts he sent to former chief of staff mark meadows, trying to urge his father to tell his supporters to stop the riot. trump jr.'s fiance kimberly guilfoyle and sister ivanka and others have spoken to the committee and a spokesperson for trump jr. declined to comment. so the january 6th panel seems to have gotten closer and closer to the former president and interviewed now more than 800 witnesses, and we're told hearings coming in june. what are we going to see between now and then? what are they hoping to accomplish? >> well, obviously, the fact that they're interviewing donald trump jr. shows that they're getting into, i mean that's about as inner circle as you can get, right? and i think his case is
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illustrative of the approach that the committee is taking because it wasn't just the, you mentioned asking mark meadow, to get the president to call off these demonstrators but he sent one before votes were done being counted back in, i think it was november 5th, where he basically laid out what ended up being the play book for trying to overturn the election. recruit republican state legislators to put up the fake elector slates and if that fails you go to congress and you get republican members or the vice president to try to overturn the results so he appears to have at least have read into or possibly have had a leadership role in pushing these schemes that were integral to team trump's efforts. that is obviously what the january 6th committee, you know, that's at the core of what they're looking into. so you know, they're trying to see just how high that went. the interview with trump jr., despite reportedly being cordial, i think shows that they believe that it went pretty high. >> so let's tie these two
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stories together. i mentioned in passing that donald trump jr. was a pretty active campaigner for vance in ohio and these whispers grow louder about his potential political party and obviously deferential to 2024 but were trump senior not to run, i think there would be some trump jr. groundswell there and certainly there would be in elections going forward. talk to us a little bit about the hold and the sway that donald trump jr. has over the maga movement which has so ascended in the republican party right now. >> yes, there is no one probably other than donald trump sr, and maybe tucker carlson who is more influential among the trump faithful. and people have put his name into polls going back to you know, the middle of his father's, his father's presidential term, as you know, potential presidential candidate, or you know, maybe something like u.s. senate, something along those lines, so whatever he decides to do, there is a core of supporters and his
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father's supporters, who will be lining up to support whatever it is, and i think that's a political asset that really can't be underestimated. >> thank you for rolling us with this morning. we appreciate you being on today. and we will speak to you again soon. still ahead, we're live with cnbc, for a look at how wall street is reacting to the interest rate hike by the fed. plus, elon musk suggests some twitter users will need to pay to stay on the platform. what's that about? "way too early" will be right back. e right back
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praying prices will come down soon. >> everything is high. everything is almost unaffordable. food is high. gas is high. electric bills went up. >> like the majority of americans she lives paycheck to paycheck and reality pushing the federal reserve to take action against raising interest rates, by half a percentage point, the biggest hike in 22 years. >> inflation is much too high and we understand the hardship it is causing. >> the fed's goal, slow down spending to bring inflation down which is soaring at 8.5%. a 40-year high. prices spiking across the board. from rent, to groceries, to gas. the national average for a gallon of regular is now $4.23. ten cents higher than just a week ago. >> i have not been able to do the complete fillup, because, you know, i'm on, basically, a fixed income. >> now, higher interest rates will make loans more expensive
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including auto loans and credit card debts and interest rates on mortgages hitting 5.41%. up from just under 3% a year ago. >> our business could potentially start to dip, based on the fact that people are going to have to change their buying habits. >> chicago restaurant owner terry evans worries she will have to pass along the higher costs of her business loan to her customers as she tries to expand. >> it's not an easy discussion, because we still want to do right by our customers as well. >> our thanks to nbc's jo ling kent for that. and now let's bring in cnbc's rosanna lockwood who joins us as always, live from london. good to see you this morning. this was obviously an aggressive step from the fed, widely anticipated. tell us more about it. >> yes, it is one of the most aggressive steps from the fed that we've seen in nearly two decades but it is something about controls, and run away prices, not only in the u.s. but around the world and the central
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bank is in the same position annual the bank of england is also set to hike rates and what they're trying to do here with the central banks, is stop the situation, without tanking the u.s. economy for example in a recession. it is a very, very titis -- tight rope. and jerome powell did not say anything about a 75 basis point rise. and it is 50 basis points from here on out. strong earnings from companies like shell and airbus. >> i was going to go there as well. in the wake of that news, u.s. stocks rose sharply yesterday, scoring the biggest one-day gain since i believe back in 2020. what's the sense as to how long this relief rally may last? >> i mean well how long is a piece of string? but at least today pretty confident to say it will have a bit of a relief. but we're coming from a very low
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base. the nasdaq has dropped the most by any year, and the start of the year, even the history, and tech stocks what they're currently doing. as we mentioned, the two companies here, watching in europe at least, and it is kind of what is happening around the world, shell, $1.93 billion worth of profits in the first quarter reengaging the conversations about the one-off windsfall tax for these companies and also the plane maker airbus, which makes planes like boeing and a second assembly line in alabama to meet u.s. demand. >> let's close by talking about our favorite subject elon musk once again announcing his big plan force twitter when and if he takes over. what is the tech billionaire saying this time? >> well, as always, dropping hints from the very platform he is seeking to take over, throwing things to the birds, nothing is set in stone but really getting people talking
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and talking about charging a small fee for quote commercial users and governments, but not quote actual users so the average person would not be affect and didn't give any more details other than a slight cost and it could be advertising or a subscription model but in the tweet, saying ultimately quote the downfall was giving away the free masons was giving away services for nothing. and jonathan, you're talking about substance more than anything else to try to edit the tweets that you sent in haste that you wish you hadn't. >> unexpected free masons reference there, i have to say, i will add, there are days when i would pay a small fee not to be on twitter. cnbc's roseanna lockwood live from london, thanks for joining us today. still ahead the governor of california gives a fiery response to the possible end of roe v. wade. and we'll continue the conversation on abortion rights,
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concerns over the possible reversal of roe v. wade has prompted responses not just on capitol hill, but from the state and local level as well. speaking outside a planned parenthood facility yesterday, california governor gavin newsom promised to protect abortion rights. the leader of the most populous state in the country also had criticism of his own party, for what he says has been a lack of effort against attempts by republicans to strip americans of their rights. >> across the spectrum, where is the democratic party? where is the party? why are we not standing more firmly, more resolutely. why are we calling this out. this is a concerted coordinated effort, and yes, they're winning. they are.
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they have been. let's acknowledge that. we need to stand up. where's the counter-offensive? this has never happened in our life time. they're taking away rights that have been affirmed over and over again and well established. they are taking them away. wake up, america. >> and it's not just democratic governors vowing to protect abortion rights in their states. three republicans, scott, and the governor from new hampshire and the governor of massachusetts have come out against the possible overturning of roe v. wade. joining us now democratic congressman from north carolina, deborah ross, thanks for being with us this morning. let's start with the broadest terms from 30,000 feet. what is your response to the leaked draft opinion that my colleagues from "politico" published earlier this week? >> well, it's sending shock waves throughout the country. it's not unexpected, but the leaked opinion makes it real.
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and people see not just what's been going on in terms of, what's been going on in oklahoma, not just in this case, but how this can affect us every single day, and we're going to have a situation where women in one part of the country will have absolutely no reproductive freedom and will have to traflg to other parts of the country to get that freedom. simply unacceptable. we cannot go back. >> what is the latest there in north carolina? i know that governor roy has vetoed several abortion bill, and with the midterms approaching and republicans in the state only needing to have a handful of seats is, there a risk of abortions being banned there? >> of course there is a risk. when governor cooper first took office, there was a republican majority, a super majority that could override his vetoes. even' only recently -- we've only recently been able to withstand any attempts to
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override his veto in our legislature. our state legislature, more than ten years, and saw the veto override situation go on. we have got to keep enough members of the house and senate to sustain a veto, and even take that to chamber. and these kinds of issues are the issues that will drive voters to the polls. they drove vote torious the polls in 2018. -- they drove voters to the polls in 2018. women are excited to get out and tell the government that, take their hands off my body. just take your hands off my body. >> let's talk a little further, obviously, this is a personal and societal issue, but of course it is a political one, and both parties have suggested this could be a real animated force for the midterms this november. what is the early response been, in your district, or among volunteers for your campaign, or what sort of reaction have you
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gotten since this draft opinion was published the other night? >> well, people are fired up and ready to go. we've already had protests in the streets, i've gotten texts about women taking out their pink packs again, and people are going to go vote and we are in the middle of primary voting in north carolina, we are in the early voting period, so people have an ability to go to the ballot box today, and register their opinions about the people who are on the ballot. we have a bunch of contested congressional democratic parties and republican primaries so people can have their voices heard immediately. i'm going to vote today. >> we know there are abortion rights protection legislation that has passed the house. no such luck in the senate. senate majority leader schumer says he will call for a vote. i will weigh in if you will what your colleagues in the senate could do, and the math seems to be working against them and what
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have you heard from president biden on this issue? >> as we know, any legislation in the senate is subject to the filibuster, so we need ten republicans. we have seen understandable and justifiable outrage from susan collins, pro-choice republican senator, who believed some of these justices when she voted to confirm them. we're hoping that that outrage will reach more of the republicans. there are pro-choice republicans out there. and we're hoping that this bill that has passed the house, resoundingly will pass in the senate. but if it doesn't happen, it is important that the voters know where their senators stand. again, we're about to have the midterms. and joe biden has been very clear. we have got to protect women's reproductive freedom. and the right to privacy. there have been many commentators that say that this decision, as horrible as it is,
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starting today, allowing civilians to enter the factory, if russians keep their word. intense fighting raged on at the battered plant as ukrainian fighters alleged russian forces tried to storm it for a second day. in a new video, ukrainian commander said there are, quote, bloody battles unfolding with russian troops inside the sprawling complex. kremlin denied its forces have stormed the mill, which is the last pocket of ukrainian resistance in the seaside port. new evidence suggests the bombing on the theater elsewhere in mariupol back in march was far deadlier than first estimated. an investigation by the "associated press" reveals that nearly 600 people died in the attack. about double what the ukrainian government initially thought. the "ap" says its investigation team recreated what happened inside the theater on that day using the eyewitness accounts of 23 survivors, rescuers, and people intimately familiar with
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that theater's role as a bomb shelter. the team also used two sets of floor plans, photos, and video taken inside before, during, and after the attack. according to the "ap," most witnesses said 1,000 people were inside the theater when it was bombed. the ukrainian government estimated 300 people died when the theater was attacked. the word "children" written in russian was theater in satellite images on either side of the theater, in an effort to defer it from being bombed. intelligence given to ukrainian forces has led to the deaths of several russian generals. senior officials told "the new york times" last night the assistance is part of a classified effort by the biden administration to give ukraine real-time battlefield intelligence. that includes anticipated russian troop movements based off of moscow's secret battle plans in the donbas region of eastern ukraine.
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ukrainian forces claim to have killed 12 generals on the front lines, but american officials did not give a specific number of deaths that were the result of the shared information. after the "times" article was published, the battlefield intelligence was said to not be provided to the ukrainians to, quote, with the intent to kill russian generals. joining us now, former chief of staff jeremy bash. thank you for joining us. >> hey, jonathan. >> let's talk about the report and how u.s. intelligence is helping ukrainian forces. lots of eyebrows raised with the idea the u.s. may be helping them target russian generals. give us your reaction to the piece. what are you hearing? >> yeah, that report, jonathan, did not surprise me. if you think about the indirect warfare that the united states and the west is waging against russia, helping ukraine, there are three elements. the first, and we've talked about this a lot, obviously, is
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the equipment. the second is the training and, increasingly, ukrainians are being trained on that equipment by the united states, by western allied countries outside of ukraine. but the third element, the element that has been there since the beginning, has been the intelligence sharing. this is very classic, the way the united states and western allies will undertake an indirect warfare campaign, by sharing intelligence. both strategic intelligence, what does putin intend to do, what do his military plans entail, and also specific, tactical intelligence, the whereabouts, the position of specific russian forceforces. >> even before first shots were fired, the officials were happy to show off the intelligence they collected on russia to rub it in putin's, a former kgb agent, face. the progress is described as slow and uneven.
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good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is thursday, may 5th. we've got a lot to get to this morning. president biden using the issue of abortion as an example of what he calls the, quote, ultra maga agenda. sharpening his midterm message against the trump wing of the republican party. calling it the most extreme in recent american history. >> you can actually make it more simple. just call them trump crazies. say they're crazy as -- well, we'll fill in that blank later. >> we have a lot of examples. we're following the latest developments from ukraine. new reporting that intelligence given to ukraine by the united states has led to the deaths of many russian generals killed in action. plus, more civilians evacuated from war-torn


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