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after farmer's dog she's a much healthier weight. she's a lot more active. and she's able to join us on our adventures. get started at first lady jill biden wrapping up the first day of her mother's day weekend visit near the ukrainian border. today meeting with u.s. troops stationed in romania. we just heard from the pentagon responding to our reporting that u.s. intelligence helped ukraine sink russia's flagship navy carrier. in the past hour, press secretary john kirby calling u.s. intel legitimate, lawful, and limited. reports just ahead from the pentagon, from the white house, and on the ground in ukraine. later this hour, we're going to be hearing from president biden after this morning's better than expected jobs report. but it wasn't quite enough to lift the stock market after thursday's sell-off.
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we're going to get an update as the markets close out a roller coaster week. i'm hallie jackson in washington on this friday afternoon with our nbc news team, carole lee covering the white house, matt bradley in ukraine, courtney at the pentagon, also joined by jason beardsley, national executive director of the advocacy group the association of the u.s. navy. carole, start with you, with the first lady's first day in east europe, it's a busy and significant stretch for her overseas now. >> it is. the first of a four-day trip and she started in romania where she visited with u.s. troops serving them dinner and bringing them ketchup, learning there was a ketchup shortage there and so she brought gallons of ketchup to them, apparently very well received, and she also read to some children of service members there. there was a moment where she was reading with a service member and her son. i think we have that if we can take a listen. >> the end.
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and nathan, thank you for your service because when your mom serves, the family serves too. so thank you for your service. >> nathan, i love you. i'll see youen. >> happy mother's day. >> that's part of the first lady's platform, engaging with military families, joining forces initiative, so you can see her doing some of that there. she goes on for the rest of her trip meeting with the first lady of romania. she'll visit a school where some ukrainian students are there and then she'll go to that very important trip to the border of ukraine where she's going to meet with aid workers as well as women and children who have been -- who have fled ukraine. part of her message, hallie, is the united states continues to stand with ukraine. that's sort of a drumbeat and message that this administration has not wanted to let up on. so the first lady is the latest of a string of senior u.s.
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officials who have visited the region. >> carole, thanks. matt, to you, because i know you're watching the situation at that steel plant in mariupol with civilians who had been sheltering there. and the news of a prisoner exchange potentially with russia. >> yeah. hallie -- >> the services -- >> you know -- >> 41 people who were freed by the russian side, 28 of whom were actually service members who were imprisoned. we haven't heard how many were exchanges from the ukrainian side. all this is from the ukrainian deputy prime minister. you know, again, we keep talking about the lack of information that we're getting from the russians, but actually, there is -- this is another example, quite a bit of opacity on the part of the ukrainians as well. we don't know how many people the ukrainians traded, how many prisoners, but it seems to be another sign of diplomacy at work. alongside what we're seeing from the azovstal steel plant. it's interesting, we're seeing continued bombardment of the
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azovstal steel plant and the area underneath, and it looks as though, even overnight last night, that russians were able to penetrate into that underground bunker, but at the same time, they still were in the midst, in the middle of a three-day cease fire. during the day, when supposedly civilians are supposed to be allowed to get out from underneath azovstal and to make it to where i am here eventually after a couple days journey, here in zaporizhzhia. yet, we still see a lot of fighting around there. we saw the bloody results of that combination just today. we heard from a member of the battalion, one of the major militia groups defending the azovstal steel works a right wing group, they said the russians had bombed, had attacked one of the vans carrying civilians out of azovstal and injured six people and killed the soldier who were driving it. it's still just a tense and
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incredibly sad situation at azovstal and all of mariupol. the fact that they're still trying to evacuate civilians, and thought to be 500, 600 left underground there, wow, the russians are still launching this massive assault on that steel plant. we can see that. and the civilians who have made it out, they can see their loved ones still inside there are still being threatened and still being attacked by the russians. it really is such a delicate dance, not only what's going on there, but also diplomatically because it involves the united nations, international red cross, red crescent, the russians and the ukrainians. it really is a miracle that anyone is getting out of there, especially after what looks like six weeks of just hiding underground. >> matt bradley, live for us in ukraine, thank you. courtney to you, because we've heard from the pentagon spokesperson john kirby that he had more to say about the reporting that you're doing along with carole and ken and the role of the u.s. intelligence and sinking of the
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moskva, the flagship russian ship. talk us through some of the details. i think from seeing your notes to our team and to our network there's really important context here. lay it on. >> that's right. there has been some reporting that pentagon is denying that the u.s. was in any way helped out with the ukrainian military's efforts to sink the moskva. that's not true. pentagon press secretary and now jen psaki have said the united states did not provide targeting information. that's very different than not providing any information. what our reporting is with ken and carole as you mentioned, is that the ukrainians came to the u.s. and asked for information or conformation of the ship and the united states provided them with some information. then, of course, the ukraine military fired off two neptune missiles, anti-ship missiles fired from land that struck that ship. it caught fire. it sank within a matter of hours. we know from a u.s. official that potentially hundreds of russian sailers were killed.
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in addition to the fact that the ship was sank and that there were russian sailors killed, this is a big symbolic loss for the russian military. they only have three ships like this, and this is their flagship, the moskva, the moscow. it was a big embarrassment to the russian military and to the kremlin specifically when this ship went down. now we also heard from pentagon press secretary he didn't want to talk about specific kind of intelligence that united states provides ukraine, but he did give us a little bit on the types, the overall parameters, for what u.s. gives the ukraine military. here's what he had to say. >> we provide them what we believe to be relevant and timely information about russian units that will allow them to adjust and execute their self-defense to the best of their ability. the kind of intelligence that we provide them, it's legitimate, it's lawful, and it's limited.
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>> so a couple of specific words to pull throughout. one is lawful. so our reporting yesterday was that the united states -- the biden administration has a very specific policy that says that they cannot provide ukraine with specific targeting information for them to target russian strategic leadership. what that means is, the united states cannot give ukraine information so that they can specifically go out after russian civilians and military leaders. there's been a lot of talk about that for the last 48 hours or so. that was one of the words. another word i would pull out is relevant and timely. two things that he said. timely being real time battlefield intelligence. the united states, this has ban story that hasn't got an whole lot of attention while we're talking about the equipment that u.s. and others are providing ukraine, the intelligence really has been a game changer here. the u.s. is giving ukraine very specific real-time battlefield intelligence as are other allies and in many cases that is
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turning the tide on the ground in ukraine allowing the ukrainian military to not only stave off the russians but in some cases to push them back. >> it's such an important breakdown and you really are at the forefront of this reporting. thank you. carole and matt, thank you. jason, let me bring you in and put to you your reaction here as a navy expert, laid out the significance of what happened to the moskva and what this all says about the role of u.s. intelligence in this war. >> well, it's complicated, number one. i appreciate that white house and the administration have done a good job of getting information over to our allies, to the ukrainians. that's a careful dance, and they need to have good discipline because this is about the escalation and how much we're involved in the war with russia, who is a near peer rival in this case. so we don't want to be overcelebratory of it. one of the reasons they don't talk in specifics often is because we don't want to be talking about this openly in the
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world press and other places. it only comes with some blowback. that doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do, it just takes a lot of discipline. you see the white house and the pentagon trying to walk some of those statements back, trying to provide clarity around what kind of intelligence and what it does, but everybody here knows what is going on. they're getting good information from the u.s. and our allies and using that to their advantage. >> jason beardsley, thank you so much. appreciate it. want to bring you breaking news coming in to us, a federal judge ruling controversial congresswoman marjorie taylor greene is eligible to run for re-election. a group of voters challenged that eligibility, pointed to her role in the january 6th insurrection, her actions on that date. i want to bring in justice correspondent pete williams and legal analyst danny sa val loss. can you bring us up to speed on the ruling coming in to us, the significance of it in. >> sure. i should say this is not the last chapter in this saga.
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there's one more step here. this is a find big an administrative law judge. the way it works under georgia law, if somebody challenges the qualifications of a candidate to be on the ballot it goes before an administrative law judge who has a hearing, this judge had a hearing in april, the judge reaches findings and then that is recommended to the secretary of state. so this is going to be up to the georgia secretary of state brad raffens burger to make the final decision. his office said he will. having set the table, what the issue here is, the 14th amendment says no candidate can run for office if they have engaged in insurrection, that was the claim here, her support for the trump claim about the election being stolen or saying on an interview this is our 1776 moment, but she was egging on the people who eventually stormed the capitol. what the judge says here, there just isn't enough evidence to show that she, quote, engaged in insurrection, even assuming the
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judge says, that the invasion, the capitol riot, was, in fact, an insurrection, the challengers never presented enough evidence that she took any action, direct physical efforts, contribution of money or her personal services, issuing directives or marching orders, passing along intelligence, or even statements of encouragement that actually furthered the capitol riot, there is no evidence the judge says that she communicated with or issued directives to people who were engaged in the invasion. for all these reasons, he says, this doesn't meet the test, so it's now up to brad raffensperger to decide whether she will stay on the ballot. her name was going to be on the ballot no what. the ballots had been printed. the only issue whether the votes for her would count. >> that was a helpful breakdown. we had a, quote, i think that lays out and backs up what you're talking about here. danny, the court saying that the evidence in this matter is insufficient, after review of evidence and the legal arguments, the evidence they say is insufficient to establish
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that congresswoman greene, having previously taken an oath as a member of congress to support the constitution of the united states, engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same or gave aid or comfort to the enemies thereof under the 14th amendment to the constitution. had this felt to you like a bit of an uphill battle all along for the plaintiffs bringing thises day. >> >> well, yes, and no. the reason there was always a chance is that this is a really unprecedented use of a georgia law to then draft on the tarnds in the constitution of someone who incites an insurrection and then the alj, administrative law judge, had the duty of interpreting the constitution, and deciding then whether there was an insurrection and then if there was an insurrection, whether greene was the person who was, you know, instigating it, whether her involvement or activities rose to the level of giving aid or comfort. so there was always a chance, if for no other reason, than this is really never been done before
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in this way. so it was a very creative use of a georgia state law and a federal standard embodied in the constitution itself, and asking an administrative law judge to make that interpretation. it's not over yet. there still is a decision to be made by raffensperger, the secretary of state. so the process is not over yet. >> do we have any end skags of what brad raf perger may do? >> any indication one way or the other? >> sorry. >> i'm sorry. i should have directed to one or the other. it sounds like you're both saying the same thing. >> we're both shy. >> which is no. pete, i'll turn to you on that. >> yeah. this is -- under the statute, the secretary of state is not bound by this decision. his role here is not merely ministerial. he has discretion to decide. this is an advisory opinion to him and he'll act on it. no, he's given no indication what he'll do. >> i should note as far as i know, as far as i've been seeing
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and our team knows, no reaction from the secretary of state's office and no reaction from marjorie taylor greene. thank you for bringing that to us. we're keeping an eye on president biden's visit to ohio. he is set to speak live later this hour. you can see the setup there. we're going to bring you any news as we get it. the january 6th committee speaking of the insurrection, that committee's next move after rudy giuliani backed out of today's interview. new nbc news reporting you will see here on the show, looking at the next battleground in the fight over reproductive rights, abortion pills. we're live out west in one state cutting back access. stay with us. state cutting back access. cutting back access. stay with us. wait, what? it sounded like you just said an eye drop that may help you see up close. i did. it's an innovative way to... so, wait. i don't always have to wear reading glasses? yeah! vuity™ helps you see up close. so, i can see up close with just my eyes?
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there's a better way to keep san francisco safe. recall chesa boudin now. a no show out of the january 6th committee. apparently rudy giuliani's appearance was canceled. the former attorney for former president trump taking a pass after the committee said he could not record the deposition. giuliani played a pretty key role in the former president's
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legal challenges aimed at trying to overturn the results of the legitimate 2020 election. i want to bring in senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake. what now? >> this has been a month's long process to get giuliani in. he is under subpoena. the committee had been negotiating with him about questions, privilege, his role as attorney for the then president. ha could he talk about, what could he not. the rug was really pulled out from under them yesterday on this issue about recording the interview. giuliani and his attorney indicating that they were worried content might be leaked out or taken out of context. they're trying to get giuliani to talk and use all enforcement options available to them. they don't really have enforcement options and that's been the problem from the word go. they can recommend contempt and holding giuliani in contempt of congress. mark meadows they recommended
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holding in contempt in january and the department of justice hasn't acted on that referral or on the more recent referrals of two other trump aides. the committee's really a bit stuck here. they want giuliani to testify, and he knows a lot about a lot of different topics they're interested in, but short of going through that lengthy legal process, they can put public pressure on him, but that's about it. >> garrett haake live on the hill, thank you. we're getting in the first reaction this afternoon to what is now a public back and forth between two former high-ranking members of the trump administration. stephen miller, remember him? he was a senior adviser to the former president. he's pushing back against new accusations from former defense secretary mark esper. miller is telling nbc news this afternoon that he did not propose, he says, sending 250,000 troops to the southern border to deal with a caravan of migrants. he disputes what is a graphic detail coming from esper in -- after the u.s. killing of islamic leader abu bakr al
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baghdadi where miller wanted to dismember the body as a warning to other terrorists. nbc news reached out to the former president's team but has not heard back. both of these claims were first reported in "the new york times" as part of their coverage of esper's memoir coming out soon. let me bring in nbc news senior political editor mark murray. pretty explosive claims, right. miller is denying them. what makes this more than a he said/he said? >> i think what makes it more so is the stature of coming from donald trump's last defense secretary, last confirmed defense secretary, and, you know, the claims that esper ended up making in his book beyond what he accused miller of wanting, have the president wanting to lunch missile strikes, to stop cartels in mexico, and maybe most damming of all, charging that the former president just isn't fit for public office. so erratic, according to "the new york times" coverage of esper's book, that he's not fit
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for public service. as we talk about donald trump and his growing grip over the republican party, even after january 6th, something like that from his former defense secretary does stand out. >> and what else standing out i think from his former defense secretary, mark, is something we have heard, i think, in some ways behind the scenes that's been reported out from other former trump officials, which was, they stayed on board to try to keep the ship afloat, if you will. right. concerned that there needed to be, as the phrase so often came up, adults in the room. >> right. the adult in the room saying look at what i was able to stop that you don't know about. we're learning more about that from mark esper and the former chief of staff john kelly, and other really high-ranking officials and as you note, hallie, many of these people actually ended up giving donald trump in the early days of his administration, the stamp of approval. all the generals, all people who decided to work in that administration, and then so many
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of them coming later and saying, i can't tell you all the dysfunction, all the chaos and all the erratic behavior that i witnessed. >> mark murray, thank you for that breakdown. appreciate it. let's turn to the country getting ready for what could be the end of roe versus wade. in just maybe a couple months from now, few weeks from now, after the leaked draft opinion from the supreme court, suggesting a majority of justices were ready to overturn that landmark abortion rights ruling. this is especially true in places like south dakota where governor kristi noem in her words want to completely ban abortion. there's only one abortion clinic in the state, you see it here, making the easily accessible abortion pill perhaps more accessible and easier more appealing option for women who are seeking that kind of access. nbc news is speaking with medical professionals on the frontlines as they get ready for abortion access to become more limited, put the political pressure on in other states. senators seem to be switching up their messaging hoping that threat of losing access to
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abortion will resonate with their voters. i want to bring in correspondent ali vitali in sioux falls, south dakota and burguess everett. glad to have you in the field in south dakota, one planned parenthood in the entire state and not enough doctors to staff it. you spoke with one who came in from minnesota. >> yeah. she's been doing that for years, hallie, because on the ground here in south dakota it's one of five states with only one clinic that allows patients access to safe abortion and in dr. tracksher's case she has been traveling in from neighboring minnesota for years because doctors in this area fear retribution and don't want to work in the clinic in their home state. planned parenthood is tapping into other networks in neighboring states sending doctors in here. i spoke with the doctor just about the logistics of that because here, the distance is one of the key barriers. listen to what she told me.
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>> can you talk about some of the stories that you hear from women who come here, the things that they have to do, even to just show up? >> oh, yeah. they travel miles, miles. i mean some patients i have travel 300 miles to get here because we're the closest abortion center to them. >> the only one in the state? >> we are the only one in the state. the only providers that will actually openly provide abortion in the state of south dakota. >> reporter: and so hallie, when you talk about the other restrictions that are piled on top of that, we're talking about mandatory waiting periods that make the journey even longer from a miles perspective and duration perspective. there is a three-day phase that these doctors have talked about a lot. the fact that patients need to come in on day one and not able to access their abortion care until that third day. they have to wait to the minute, 72 hours. when you talk about barriers to care and what a post-roe world
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could look like, the doctors and providers here on the ground say for many women they're seeing daily they are in a post-roe reality already because of the amount of restrictions on the ground. i would also say when you talk about states with trigger laws, those states that have laws on the books that will go back into effect after and if the supreme court rules the way we think it's going to rule on this, south dakota is one of those states. providers were talking about a world in which they could see a patient on tuesday who could be in the middle of that 72-hour waiting period trying to access abortion care, and if that supreme court ruling comes down, it doesn't matter what has happened already, they cannot provide them that care at all. the trigger goes in like that. >> it is also why, ali, we referenced this at the top, why the discussion over abortion pills, for example, is especially relevant in some of the communities where you are and the people that you're talking to. you have, i think at least 20 states reportedly introducing bills to restrict access to abortion pills since january here. this feels like kind of the next
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frontier, right. i wonder what you're hearing from anti-abortion advocates and abortion rights advocates on this? >> reporter: as someone who has been covering reproductive rights for years, this is the next frontier in the battle for care is what happens, especially in matters of telehealth, we're talking about how the hundreds of miles that need to be traveled in order to get to these states that only have one clinic or women who have to take off of work or find child care for other kids they may have, these are the barriers. especially during the pandemic, the fda said and the fda is approved four abortion pills, one of the prevalently used methods of abortion care, in states like south dakota, patients don't have access to that and they cannot bridge that distance divide by doing it and prescribing it over telehealth. it's really one of the ways states have sought to make abortion more accessible to people, especially in more rural areas, and we're seeing in those states that are limiting it, that is just one of the ways.
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now as states start looking ahead past what would mean to get rid of the roe versus wade protections that supreme court is considering right now, one of those frontiers is the abortion pill. the other is things we're seeing in places like louisiana where the house just passed a bill that would make abortion homicide. we're starting to see these really restrictive measures in addition to things we've been talking about like heartbeat bills and six-week abortion bands something sweeping the country right now. on prot life side, they have said that's something at the state level they've been working towards for years and on the choice side of this, abortion advocates say this is one of the things that's going to make it harder for patients. i think the refrain we've been hearing consistently and i've heard it on the ground today, is whatever the court ends up deciding in a few weeks, it's not the end of abortion. it would just mean and what these providers have told me again, it would mean the end of safe abortion and the people that would impact would mostly
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be low income and minority women still going to need to access that care, but might have to do it less safely now. >> ali live for us in sioux fall, thank you for that reporting. let me turn to you on the political fallout. you asked an important question in your latest piece in politico, can the democratic party in your words sustain its message for the next six months as it relates to abortion rights in the face of rising prices, increased border crossings and a volatile economy. you know as well as anybody how newest cycles are. this is a huge and historic moment for anti-abortion advocates and abortion rights advocates. how much do you think it will sustain come november? >> i mean it's interesting, we both covered the 2016 campaign when there was a vacant supreme court seat and the democrats tried to make the campaign about the vacant supreme court seat and they were unable to sort of capture the imagination of the country, to make the campaign about that. so much was donald trump, but they were trying to talk about what a conservative supreme
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court would mean. now we're looking at a not theoretical decision that would restrict abortion access across the country and how it relates to flipping the senate from democratic to republican control. the senate is 50/50 right now. there are four senators in states that democrats now hold who are running for re-election. if democrats can hold the senate if those four senators win. if one loses democrats don't pick anything up elsewhere, republicans gain control of the senate and what that meant in the past is that republicans would force votes on a 20-week federal abortion ban or other bills like that. republicans aren't leaning into that right now but democrats are. they're talking about it and saying if i am replaced bay republican you may have your rights restricted. places like new hampshire where there are not codifications for roe v. wade are going to be the battleground for this issue in the election in six months. >> with politico, thank you. next up, no place like pennsylvania. donald trump touching down in the land of oz, what to expect
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from the former president's rally with his handpicked senate hopeful tonight. that's coming up. handpicked se hopeful tonight. that's coming up.
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heading to pennsylvania to campaign for his pick in that state's competitive senate primary. dr. mehmet oz he's backing. the doctor turned tv personality turned senate candidate. right now polling neck and neck with his opponent businessman david mccormick. it's a race that pits trump world against itself with mccormick getting the backing of folks like mike pompeo, a former member of the trump administration. on the democratic side you have the state's lieutenant governor john fetterman with a double-digit lead over his primary opponents. joining us now is the national political reporter for the philadelphia inquirer. i'm glad you are with us here, you are reporting on the rally tonight and what's interesting is, j.d. vance, who just won the republican primary in ohio who former president trump also backs, is going to be making the journey to stump for dr. oz. >> yeah. and this is clearly, you know, part of a theme of trump kind of exerting his power over the republican party or trying to exert his power over the
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republican party even after leaving office. he got that big win with vance in a crowded primary there in ohio just over the border, and now he's trying to do the same with oz. it's a really close race it looks like in pennsylvania. and so he's trying to show that he can provide the juice, provide the energy to put a republican candidate over the top. dave mccormack sought trump's endorsement but didn't get it. it's unclear how much influence he has but in close race even a few percentage points could be significant. >> what's interesting here, too, is the pennsylvania republicans, feels a little bit in some ways like prooxy fight for 2024 potential candidates, right. it's 2022, looking at it through the lens of '24. top republicans from across the country, you know, many whom have no relation to pennsylvania, some of them are supporting dr. oz, some of them are supporting dave mccormick. this graphic is flipped but we'll fix that. point being, is that you have different people in trump world,
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right, donald trump, for example, versus mike pompeo, supporting different people in this race. how much do you see the endorsement divide playing into what might be happening, you know, next cycle? >> i think the biggest factor is still trump. i don't know how much regular voters look at some of the endorsements of some of those folks who still well known, ted cruz, mike pompeo, well known in political circles, but i'm not sure they're the people that can move votes the same way a former president does. the biggest test is whether or not trump himself can move the party and determine outcomes. i think it will be a measure of him in the senate race and possibly even in the pennsylvania governor's race which is also wide open on the republican side. >> let me talk about the democratic side in the senate race with the clear favorite from the polling we've asean recently, lieutenant governor john fetterman calling for unity inside the party. here's what he told dasha burns.
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>> if we don't come together and do what we need to get done done, we are going to be taken in a direction that i think very few people really want, and, you know, in 2024, the guardrails may not hold the way they did in 2020. >> do you see any chance that somebody polling underneath fetterman? maybe a congressman, conor lamb, can get background in the days, mere days, before election day? >> it seems like a really long shot, and, you know, there's always the caveat that you've seen some bad polling misses in the past few years and you can never measure exactly what's going to happen on election day, but when you look at this, this gap, we have not seen a polling error near this measure and there's been numerous polls that all kind of show the same general thing, exactly how much fetterman is leading by, might vary, but double digit in almost every public poll we see.
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it would take something extraordinary for somebody to catch him in the final ten days. >> thank you so much. good to see you. i know it's going to be a long stretch over the next ten days. thanks. still ahead, the state's officiallies getting in line today applying to take iowa's coveted spot as the first to vote in the 2024 democratic primaries. breaking news out of cuba, what we're learning about the search for survivors after an explosion at a havana hotel. explosion explosion at a havana hotel. uh, how come we don't call ourselves bikers anymore? i mean, "riders" is cool, but "bikers" really cool. -seriously? -denied. cao back to meeting at the rec center? the commute here is brutal. denied. how do we feel about getting a quote to see if we can save with america's number one motorcycle insurer? should flo stop asking the same question every time? -approved! -[ altered voice ] denied! [ normal voice ] whoa.
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a vote on a bill to give more money to police departments. they say cops need more money to fight a national rise in crime. no response yet from speaker pelosi. we'll keep you posted. following breaking news out of cuba where an explosion has hit central havana at the hotel saratoga. the president's office in cuba says multiple people are dead, more are in the hospital. joining us now from havana, ed, tell us about what happened and what we know and what you're seeing? >> well, just by chance, i live two blocks away from the hotel saratoga in the heart of old havana, colonial havana, and at 10:00 this morning there was a thunderous explosion. now, sometimes there are loud noises in havana. the building stock is in disrepair. often builds crumble and fall and people die. this morning was different. everybody knew it was different straightaway. i rushed out of my house around the block and saw the hotel
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saratoga had, in part, crumbled. this is a six-story building. it's a five-star hotel. it's one of havana's prime hotels. celebrities like mick jagger, beyonce, jay-z, have stayed here in the past. the only good news i suppose it wasn't yet open. it was going to open on the 10th of may, in just a few days, much touted post-pandemic reopening. but it wasn't good news for the people inside. i saw a worker from the hotel being evacuated, walking, by emergency services. she had blood stained on the back of her shirt, but she said thank goodness i'm alive. it was difficult to see within the rubble because there was a danger of the building falling off and, of course, police were cordoning off the area quickly with the fire service. but what we know so far is that there are eight people killed, 35 people injured, that's
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according to cuban media, and the cuban president says we can rule out, cuba rules out a bomb. he said this was a regrettable accident and the results, he says, of a preliminary investigation, this was a gas leak that at the time the hotel was being restocked with liquified gas and that explains this horrific, catastrophic explosion. >> ed, thank you so much for being live for us in havana. it is just important i think to have your perspective and tell us what is happening on the ground given your knowledge of this area. appreciate it. next up a check on wall street with about 13 minutes until the trading day closes. why the dow still in the red at the moment, even with that stronger than expected jobs report. we're going to break that down in a minute. e going to break tn in a minute.
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in nation caucus, primary for a more diverse state like nevada i want to bring in political reporter natasha. great to have you on. >> thanks so much for having me. >> of course. you quote one democratic operative as saying, quote, the old system that begins with iowa and new hampshire is broken. tell us more about this and why dnc officials feels like it has to change and if nevada is the front-runner to take the spot. >> iowa and new hampshire had historically been really good at choosing nominees, but not so much in choosing presidents in the end and so what we're having right now is an all-out brawl for first place and that is new hampshire definitely wanting to stay where they are, nevada, really going hard and aggressively at trying to oust
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new hampshire and go first. today what we have is a deadline for all states to go first or enter the early primary calendar and so far i hear that they are pouring in. 18 states states already want to it. >> go ahead, natasha. sorry. >> that's super easy to do. all you have to do is send a letter, right? what my sources are telling me is once we get to the phase where they actually have to do a pitch before the rules and bylaws committee, once they have to actually put in a bid these numbers are going to really drop off and some of these are, you know, puerto rico, oklahoma, they're probably not going to be, you know, as competitive as nevada and new hampshire. >> is it safe to say, and i know that things are rarely safe to say, but if you were a betting
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person, right? the chances that the calendar is going to look different moving forward, is it pretty definitively certain to happen that it's just not going to look the same as it has been and the openness of the dnc to move the states around and where they slide in? >> there seems to be a lot of consensus that iowa should not be going first as a caucus state. i mean, it's -- it really seems like the writing is on the wall and nothing is definitive and we were hearing as of last year there was a race to get iowa out of the way. new hampshire is a whole other story. you have buckley who is the chair there for a long time. he's very powerful and he can still pull some strings, but they also have the law in new hampshire. so that is, you know, they probably have the best chances of staying there. as far as the early window, maybe they add another state, but again, south carolina and
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who sent joe biden to the presidency. so there's lots of different states that can make arguments that they are just really well positioned and have a track record that, you know, that they should be among the first in 2024. natasha, kirky, thank you. come back soon. >> let's check in on the big board. the dow down a little bit and not nearly as bad as we saw yesterday, of course, 24 hours ago and this has come on the heels of the stronger-than-expected jobs report. correspondent jolene kent is here. tell us what we're seeing on wall street. >> yes. next week we'll get the april read on inflation and that is an important indicator for both consumers and wall street. as for this jobs report, it came in stronger than expected and it showed basically the 12th
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straight month of growth over 400,000 jobs. we're over 90% back from the jobs deficit that was first cratering back two years ago at the height of the pandemic and so what this tells us is there's still a labor shortage. it actually ticked down which means people are leaving the workforce and part of it might be the pressures of inflation. if you looked at wage growth, it was up 5.5% and it seems pretty good on an annual basis and grew look at inflation it's 8.5%. it doesn't match up there. as for the market reaction. the market was down more earlier this morning and what the market is digesting right now is the fed rate hike and what's to come to combat this inflation, because this jobs report was pretty much in line with expectations and it was better than we thought, but overall this has been the expectation for a while now. so what's really the key question is inflation and how
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are these big companies, these major stocks going to handle the rocky, bumpy volatility that is expected according to the financial analysts and economists we've been talking to. jolene kent, good to see you. good to see you for this hour of msnbc. as always, you can findous twitter @hallieonmsnbc and reporting there and on the show on the streaming channel, msnbc news today every day at 5:00 eastern. we have a very special guest joining us about he started the wnba season without one of his superstars brittany griner. here on this network, "deadline: white house" will start after a quick break. whitl start after a quick break.
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