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that does it for me, thanks for watching, i'll see you back here next weekend at 5 pm eastern. american voices starts right now. american voices starts right now. the future of reproductive freedoms across this country, should the supreme court reversed roe, states will be allowed to decide whether to restrict or protect reproductive health care. the reality -- in chicago. >> there is also a possibility that if the tables turn and we have the other parties come to cut power, they can put out a federal ban at a federal level that would take years to get to the supreme court for an opinion, in that time they could in fact take away our right to an abortion even
further than overturning roe leases weighed, when that happens the states have the right to decide, so some of us will have that right and some of us don't, that's terrible in and of itself, if you abandon a federal level that immediate impact, you unable to get an abortion legally in the country, it's unthinkable. >> the unthinkable as she just said, potentially poised to put become marital is around -- mitch mcconnell telling usa today i'm national abortion ban is quote, possible. it would depend on where the votes were, mcconnell saying whoever that he would not move to abolish the filibuster in order to pass the national ban, should he become majority leader. again, after the midterms. senator just hours on our air arguing republicans cannot be trusted with power. >> they're actually talking about introducing a ban, or one proposal will take six weeks essentially a ban, they're talking about a ban. and they have of course shown
the ability to do this before when they ran through the supreme court justices and change the filibuster for that. we have an ability, with the american women voting with us, and the polls show they're strongly with us on this, they don't want to have their rights taken away. and the men that stand with them voting with us, that's what we're talking about in this election. this is on the ballot, their rights are on the ballot. >> the vote in the senate set for this week to codify row into law, is of course expected to fail given senate democrats don't have the 60 votes needed, but it would put each and every senator on the record with where they stand, on this fundamental right. joining now is michele goodwin, professor of law university of california, irvine, author of policing the room, invisible women in the criminalization of motherhood. also with us meagan hatcher-mays, director of democracy, policy for individuals an msnbc political analyst and democratic
strategist, juanita tolliver, we need at your thoughts on mcconnell's talk of international abortion ban? >> look, mcconnell has decades and decades working to control women and people, he's not gonna stop now he stopped the courts he's, pushing for this republican control narrative and so he's gonna continue to go to the amp degree to get it done, he is not gonna give up, he'll use everything -- to get what he wants. and what's frustrating, is when i hear this news alicia, i'm not looking at folks like manchin and sinema, do you hear this man, he's not bluffing. he will do this, we know his party will support it. and so now i feel like democrats need to not only run back the tape of mcconnell saying this, but add that into the fullest of any republican who's behind. it make sure that voters get it cleared sick picture of what's at stake in their day-to-day lives a look like or republicans take power, not only in congress but in
governorships across the country, 36 are on the ballot this november. >> i want to loop back juanita, on this question of midterms. megan, we saw mitch mcconnell help cement this court, paving way to reverse row, make the argument for me for expanding the court and talk me through what that fight is likely to look like? >> sure, yeah, as ruthlessly as mitch mcconnell -- with conservatives who are hand selected to get us to this moment we find ourselves and right now, where they're on the precipice of overturning roe v. wade or as that ruthless as democrats need to be in fixing that problem means adding seats to the -- conservative majority was hand-selected to get us here. there is no universe in which these six conservatives work up one day i want to call the constitution, now that's not gonna happen. so, we need to dilute their brow over those and that means adding four seats the supreme
court and democrats need to show that they're fighters for this issue and one of the ways you can fight for abortion rights is codifying it at the federal level as you sell, another waste fever is protected going forward. we need to protect it from the supreme court. so, we should be passing the judiciary act which would pass four seats to the -- pending in the house in the senate right now. it's a tough fight, all right just fight start out kind of unpopular and difficult, this is a chance really for democrats to lean in and let voters know that they have solutions on the table for this problem. this court is not gonna stop at abortion, every other constitutional right that we care about that's not explicitly written down in the constitution is now at risk. it's worth fighting for both legislatively and to protect it from courts that will undo the progress that we can make in congress. >> michelle, to meghan's point about other rights that address, even within the context of abortion. i want to talk about medical abortions, half of abortions
with medication the use of -- says quote, the fda last year lifted a requirement that women pick up abortion pills in person. federal regulations now also allow mail delivery nationwide. even so 19 states have passed laws requiring a medical clinician to be physically present one abortion pills are administered to location. however, abortion law experts say it's unsettled question whether states can restrict access to abortion pills in the wake of the fda's decision. michelle, your thoughts? >> unfortunately, we're in an era where the supreme court has already tipped its hand that it's willing to look the other way when states are accepting to do a run around against either a federal law or laws that have been established to supreme court rulings, we saw that in the texas as v eight abortion case, where texas enacted a law banning abortions after six weeks of pregnancy.
and roe v. wade is still law of the land, the supreme court issued a shadow document opinion and basically look the other way. so, supreme court is already tipped its hand that it's willing to look the other way, and not follow would otherwise is federalism, which is that the federal law of the land is the law in the land, with the supreme court rules, is the law of the land and what we see now is that states are gonna challenge that, the states that want to challenge that they see in an open door invitation from the supreme court, not the least of which happens to be secured through this draft leaked opinion where justice alito has indicated that there are several justices willing to sign on with the states rights agenda when it comes to reproductive freedoms. and that's a very dangerous proposition, not just with regards to reproductive justice, but a dangerous proposition
with regard to all other constitutional freedoms, not just those that involve abortion, but contraception, even we see the hand being tip with regard to public education as there's legislators now being like maybe we don't need to fund that either. >> we're gonna be talking about that a little later in the show. juanita the end of roe, which if the politics of reproductive rights to the states, that's -- in a handful battleground states with republican-controlled state legislatures, every gop candidate for governor supports severe abortion restrictions if not a complete barren with no exceptions. it's prompting urgent warnings from democrats that women's access to abortion in some states may rest almost entirely on the which party wins the governor's race. i say that because sometimes we talk about midterms there, is a contact where we think we're just talking about what happens in congress, these governors
races have now taken on additional significance, and initial importance? >> considering these governors races the new frontline, right? yes, what matters in congress is important. but when you take republican control state legislators putting for this buffet of bans against abortion, even before this draft leaked, that's what's being set up for governors to be in control, to sign an act into law, or reject. and so, i'm looking at states like texas, where -- six points of abbott and he's mobilizing voters. or stacey abrams, who's the present democratic nominee down in georgia, we directing her supporters to reproductive rights groups over when this news broke. or even nan whaley up in ohio, calling out a republican opponent, that's the energy that democrats need to keep putting forward because that is what is at stake. as i mentioned, alicia, at 36 glittery races are happening
this november and those 36 races are gonna dictate what's happened. especially in states like michigan, where we know governor whitmer is the last holding line about whether or not bands that were passed in michigan state legislator decades to go into effect, she's fighting that in realtime, or wisconsin -- fighting to make sure his republican controlled legislator doesn't move forward with different bands to. this is what goes into, i think you made a great point, alicia, congress -- never gets a lot of change in botswana tyler races in state legislator races need to be -- frightened center in the mind of every voter's, democrats need to make sure those races are included in our national narratives being stated. because they are critically important and deciding what happens to women and people with a uterus. >> megan, i saw you shaking your head so i want to give you a chance to jump in? >> yeah, we're looking at a scenario here where as soon as the court overturns reveal way the majority of states have laws on the books that will immediately ban abortion in
those states. this fight is not just at the federal level because we know that, national republicans want to introduce this nationwide ban. even if you live in a blue state, you're not safe from this creeping, this massage in a stick attack on abortion rights. the next phase, they've already been successful in taking over state legislator the statewide races, so they can lock in these abortion bans at either across the board bans however many weeks a man's a ban on abortion. so, we all need to be focused on the stuff that, are really majorly not just on congressional fights which could be critically important to protect and expand democrat majorities but governors races, state legislatures, even frankly mayors races, school board races we'd be paying attention to all of that. -- michelle your final thoughts? >> yes, absolutely and the attorney general raises in those states will also make significant difference because the attorney general can decide whether they're gonna go of
force or not and they're already ags are saying that they're not gonna put forth so if you remember during the trump administration, something that saved us from the most horrific of human rights violations where state attorney general saying not in our state, we're not gonna allow for a depravity that the administration wants to push into misogynistic our states and they were victors in those instances especially since that administration lost hundreds of lawsuits when it was looking to do the most harmful things that were incomplete, in complete opposite of what our constitution protections and freedoms account for. >> michelle, megan, juanita, i'm not sure that's how you saw yourself spending mothers way, but thank you so much are giving us your time. next, the first lady in the war zone what doctor biden's doing today in ukraine, plus the governor of texas, inside another supreme court ruling he might fight, the legal fight to an education for immigrant kids. former -- julian castro is gonna join us.
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europe, first lady, dr. jill biden, she wanted to show her support for ukrainian mothers. but today on mother's day, first lady made a surprise visit inside the war torn country. she met with ukraine's first lady, also a mother. doctor biden delivered this message. >> i think it's important to share with the ukrainian people, that this war has to stop. the swore has to -- the people of the united states stand with the people of
ukraine. you feel it. >> hundreds of miles to the east, the russian bombs did not stop. airstrike hit a school were nearly 100 people were sheltering from airstrikes. 60 people are feared dead. today, president biden met with zelenskyy during a virtual g7 leading. -- full solidarity and support of ukraine. you sanctions were dropped today on russia which we're going to talk about more in a moment. right now, president zelenskyy and allies worried about what could happen in just a few hours from now when russia kicks off its victory day, commemorating the end of world war ii. putin's parade in these new sanctions put putin on a new warpath. joining me now, jay gray on the ground for us. jay, talk to us about the significance of first lady jill biden, making this trip to ukraine. what's the tone of this meeting behind beyond what we saw just there? >> i think it was a tone of appreciation from the ukrainian
side and one of support for the u.s.. it was interesting to hear what ukraine's first lady said, calling the vision -- the visit a courageous act. the two sat down in an area where military attacks intensified over the last two days. she was very appreciative. as for those on the ground here, it was a sense of pride. they were proud that the first lady was in their country and paying her respects -- even though she spent some time with refugees, women and children who had escaped as well as on mother's day and there was something that was noted on the ground and they also talked about the support from the u.s. and the tanks that they had for the first lady being here. i talk to one council member in lviv today and she told me that the american people and the government will share in the ukrainian victory and she feels like that will come soon, so it was a boost for those who have been through so much to see the
first lady in our country. >> they're approaching russia's victory day, ukrainian leaders warning of intensified attacks. talk us through how the russian holiday could impact the state of this war. >> yeah, so many options that we've heard from analysts over how this could go. could vladimir putin declare formal war tomorrow, which sounds a bit silly after what's been going on here? still, he's only called this a special military operation, so declaring war would mean more troops, more equipment. that could be allotted to the conflict here. will he try to annexed the eastern part of this country were so many areas are occupied by russian troops? it's that question and that lack of knowledge that has people concerned about what could come next. i know there was a display here behind me for the fall of soldiers and civilians from this war and others when asked about tomorrow and the so-called victory day.
many say there's no victory to celebrate here in you crane. they're waiting to celebrate that victory, and right now they're saying they're frustrated, sat, but hopeful that they could continue to move forward. >> nbc's jay gray live for us in ukraine. jay, thank you for being with us. with me now, former u.s. ambassador to the -- also the vice president of russia at the u.s. institute of peace -- good to see you. u.s. impose new sanctions on russia, including prohibiting americans from providing consulting services to russia. the u.s. also sanctioned -- state controls television stations. talk me through the kind of impact all of this could have. >> listen, this is just the latest of in a series of very harsh sanctions that the united states and its allies, let's be real clear, these are international sanctions that will have effect, because they are international. this is the latest in a series
that is squeezing down on the russian economy. the goal here is to take the revenues away from the russians that enable them to pursue this war. to bring accountability. you saw the 26 -- of the military were sanctioned. the sanctions on media, sanctions on oil and gas companies. this is a continuous, squeezing down. a continuous tightening of the noose around the russian economy. >> and a new layer on top of that, we have the readout from the white house, g7 leaders committing to phasing out or banning the import of russian oil. how quickly can that happen? it's not lost -- some countries are saying -- we can't commit to doing it today, and what kind of additional pressure is going to put on russia's economy? >> it does put pressure on russia's economy. roughly, a billion dollars a day go to the russians from
europeans for oil and gas. roughly, a billion dollar a day is what it's causing putin to persecute the swore. there is a real need to cut back -- you asked the right question. how quickly could this happen? not quickly. the european union has done amazing work, actually, in terms of getting agreement to take this very hard step. nor many nations in europe will rely on russia. unfortunately. bad decisions on their part. but nonetheless, that's where they are right now, and to reduce that dependence on oil and gas will take some time. some of these steps will take a couple of months. there are some steps that will take it to the end of the year. couple of nations asking for more time than that. this will not go into effect right away. it's a clear signal that we are not, and europeans are not going to count on russians in the future for oil and gas.
>> president zelenskyy is urging the u.s. -- if russia is not listed as a state sponsor of terrorism, you might as well territorialist. your thoughts. >> she's exactly right. the speaker is exactly right. and the terrorism that putin is undertaking, you just reported these attacks on civilian schools and civilian maternity hospitals and civilians out in the open. this is terror. this is terror. this estate sponsored terrorism. the speaker is exactly right. >> ambassador taylor, as always, thank you for spending time with us. next, if you think texas's war on freedom stop that voting or reproductive rights, think again. former -- julián castro on what is happening in his state, and will republicans finally live up to their claim of being the party a family values? american voices after this. voices after this voices after this
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they want to take us back to a time before roe v. wade, back to a time before wilbur val b. hodges. >> if it comes to, limelight is written is -- it goes far beyond the concern of whether or not there is the right to choose. >> who knows what's next, you've got -- quality there's so many things that are rooted in privacy in the constitution, that they could go after now. >> democrats have been sounding the alarm, if roe is overturned and fundamental rights could be on the chopping block. this leak draft overturning overturning roe saying quote, nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt of presidents that do not concern abortion. well, maybe still that's texas governor greg abbott who joined
a right-wing radio talk show just days after that draft andrea was made public, announcing a possible challenge to a 40 year old supreme court decision requiring all states to offer free public education to all children including undocumented kids. >> [inaudible] soon the federal government about having to incur the costs of the education program, cases called tyler versus joe, the supreme court moved on the issue of the state of texas having to bear that burden, i think we will resurrect that case and challenges issue again because the extent is that our export, the times are different many decades ago. >> abbott is calling that ruling to educate children regardless of legal status as a quote, burden. with me now julian castro, the --
top secretary under president obama on, julie and what's happening in the state was governor abbott up to? >> good to be with you, alicia, happy mother's day. >> thank you. >> this is just one more step in the trump-ification of texas. i think right now immediately what they see is an opportunity for a lot of people have commented, they realize the full potential of this very conservative supreme that just is on the brink of doing away with 50 years of president as if -- roe v. wade. here is a 1982 opinion from the supreme court that was a 5 to 4 decision by tyler versus doe where they said that you cannot deny children of undocumented immigrants, and education. because that violates the equal protection clause. so, they have fully embrace the -- of trump. the other thing that thing is going on is that greg abbott things in a run for president
in 2024, and like we've seen ron desantis and the number of other republican governors, and said it was really trying to position himself for 2024. >> and i'm sure you have thoughts on this, we have watched this movie play out before in a number of ways, and one of the ways dates back to 1994, republican governor pete wilson pushing prop one 87 in california which restricted undocumented immigrants from public services, the public that does include access to public education and as you all know that push fundamentally remade california politics. could the same happen in texas? >> absolutely, they're playing with fire because george w. bush back in 1994 set, we're not gonna go the way of california, we're not gonna do a texas version of problem 87, even in 2010 when -- governor maradona pushed as v ten 70, another draconian
measure against immigrants, -- we're not gonna go in that way, we're not gonna go in that direction. you've gone into decades from george w. bush saying that family values don't end at the rio grande, now to greg agate fully embracing this trump nigh a visit. the thing is that latinos make up about 40% of the state of texas, the fastest growing community, 55% of the growth of texas between 2010 and 2020. and so, if what happened in california and arizona begins to happen in texas, texas is gonna go blue quicker than a lot of people thought. >> listen, as you and i sit here talking about it. i care about these communities, i care about these kids, i care about the human impact of this. there's also economic impacts to what governor abbott is suggesting, the president of the -- of teachers told the austin american statesman in part quote, the supreme court wisely saw the benefits of providing
education for immigrant children, educating children isn't a partisan decision, it's a good economic one. to this point about blowback, part of it is voters saying you're going after kids? you're choosing kids as your next target? you're chugging the education of kids are next target? there's also the economic benefit an economic fallout to choosing not to do this. >> oh, this is so short sighted, alicia, on the one hand greg abbott and his -- are boasting about them attacking the tesla headquarters, having such an investment by apple, attracting a high tech presidents. for that you need a well educated texas population, and so they're shooting themselves in the foot in the long run, but this texas is not gonna vote, not gonna be the state of apple, tesla, and spacex another huge high tech companies. and also will be the state that denies so many children the
opportunity for a decent education, you can't have it. so, he shooting him self in the foot, or the state in the foot and also as you pointed out importantly he's exercising cruelty against these children. >> i do want to ask you about we're seeing with abortion, we're starting to see the effect of the roe decision that could have in the midterms in texas, progressive -- has asked the parties support her challenge to congressman henry cuellar, an opponent of abortion rights, when you zoom out even beyond taxes, what impact do you think and potential end of roe would have on in terms, who would it? fired-up >> it's gonna supercharged democratic base, is one of the most important bread and butter issues at the democratic base. what's gonna happen is a lot of people who may have sat on the sidelines in november 2022, all the sudden they're gonna go vote. and that's gonna mean the democrats, if they remind the right voters of this issue going into 2022 into november,
other gonna get a bigger turnout than they would have otherwise. -- the conventional wisdom has turned, a few weeks ago quayle might survive the issues he's had with an fbi -- been there for ten terms, all of a sudden -- has the momentum in this race. >> julian castro, having a property of a sitting in the seat for me when i was out a few weeks ago, so my team loved being with you, and my thanks to erica and rosie for letting you join us on this mother's day. >> thank. you >> next, a crisis for american parents we are burnt out, why? what could we do about? it plus, president zelenskyy said he feels what could happen in the next few hours once russia celebrates its victory day, more on that ahead on american voices. on american voices.
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revealing mounting stress on parents still lingering from the pandemic. it turns out well over half of parents in this country are burned out, nbc news correspondent morgan radford, digs into the data from ohio state university. >> i say that we feel burned out. >> it's a daily struggle. >> some days it's just total chaos. >> playing out for parents nationwide. >> we had to do everything on top of your normal duties and
then some. >> parental burnout, feeling overwhelmed, overworked in plain exaction over long periods of time. a challenge kate -- knows firsthand. as a working mother of four living near columbus, ohio, and a professor at the aisles ohio state university college of yours saying. >> there's one point during the pandemic where i really felt like i was being forced to be this superhuman. i had to be an elementary school teacher, i had to be a carat of her, i had to be a spouse, a cook, a cleaner, unless you know support for everyone and it's not feasible for you to have to take on so many different roles and it's inevitable almost that there is not some degree of burnout president. >> why she coauthored a new study, just released today that found that more than 1200 parents surveyed in the middle of the pandemic, 66 reported
burn out. a phenomenon that was more common among women, and into homes with two or more children. >> when we talk about burn out, how do you distinguish that from a pretty rough day being tired one? day >> turnout in parents is that physical, emotional, over to exhaustion. and that feeling of just on break. it's very shaming for parents to think that they can burn out in this role of being a parent, you know because obviously we all love our kids, and it's too much on us to be asked to do all of these different things. >> what happens as a society? if we do not address this problem? >> i do feel like it's a public health problem. it's not that i'm depressed, it's not that i'm anxious, it's actually that i am just burnt out. >> and it can manifest in harmful ways, in some cases the research shows anxiety at
increase alcohol oil consumption for parents, along with increased likelihood of insults or physical harm through spanking aimed at children. as for the kids, parents experiencing burnout reportedly sought more signs of unhappiness, more trouble concentrating, and increased difficulty interacting with other children. the new says that been bernadette malik, who coauthor that -- is there's also strategies that can help. things like being kind to yourself, and lowering expectations asking for help, or talk to someone you trust. and self care, even something a small as five-minute recovery breaks. >> for parents who are struggling with this feeling of burn out, every single day, what can they do? >> take two minutes, make a hot drink, sit, sip it slowly, focus on the present moment, count your blessings, not what would you don't have. just --
abdominal deep brats can so relieve stress. it's these types of simple practices that could make a big difference for anybody who stressed. >> a tiny bit of advice for parents everywhere, taking it one step at a time. >> that was nbc's morgan radford reporting. here is the thing about burn out, especially for moms, it requires more than this, it requires structural change, my next guest writes quote, yes we can have big jobs, yes we can a families. but no, we cannot both in the current paradigm that exists in this country at least not without damaging our partnerships, our career trajectory, and earnings potential, well being of our kids and our own mental and physical health. so, what do we want for mother's day, here's a hit, skip the flowers start advocating for affordable childcare, and paired family leave. joining me now is -- about the future of women, and
why it's different than you think, reshma saujani i was excited to talk to, me and we are so this conversation even before this leak from the supreme court. it feels margin ever that you and i have this conversation, as we imagine in a world where people have less bodily autonomy there is a concurring conversation on all the ways that we do not fundamentally support women and families. talk to me about the conversation we need to be having in proximity to this conversation about reproductive rights and care? >> well, women are in crisis, we know that workplaces have never been built for us, millions of women's have left the workforce, 51% of mothers say that they're anxious and depressed. we knew this was a problem before covid existed, we're still trying to fix women, drink a little bit of t rather than changing the structures. six out of ten women who get an abortion are mothers, we are
forcing birth in a nation that doesn't offer paid leave, doesn't offer subsidize health care, and has a high levels of maternal death for mortality rates. so, we're never gonna be free unless we fix the structure. >> i want to talk about your meltdown -- your expectations of motherhood? >> i found myself in the pandemic too little kids, running my organization girls -- and it nearly broke me. and i found out that having it all is just a euphemism for doing it all. we can't simply color code our calendar, get a mentor or sponsor, we need to -- our workplaces. our workplaces have never been designed for us, at least for something basic with the fact that workdays are 9 to 5, and school days are 8 to 3. we decide the workplace for man, have a stay home partner at home, the implicit deal that would've made in order to
participate in workplaces that we need to hide or motherhood, don't show pictures of your children, put networking lunch -- instead and now we are burnt out. we're tired, we're exhausted. >> reshma, the last time you are on we were talking about the marshall plan for moms, talking a lot about what it was that the u.s. government could do. i wonder the extent to which you still believe that the solutions lie within the government and the extent to which private workplaces need to be pushed to do better for their employees? >> well, alicia, we can't claim catholic for congress to come to heart. it seems -- they all have airlines to bail out moms, forced birth in sometimes in force death has autonomy over our own bodies. and so we need to look towards the private sector now in order to have moms. i do think we have a moment in the great resignation as you know in march 4th, 45 -- put their jobs it's a sellers
market. so, we have once in a lifetime opportunity to say to our employers, i need to pay for my childcare, i need offer some sort of childcare benefits. i need flexibility, or the ability to work remotely. i need you to care for my mental health, i need you to offer paid leave and mandate, that men take it. to abortion's business -- >> one of only two single moms in congress points out that abortion is also an economic issue. of course, take a listen. >> this is going to shape peoples economic opportunity is, if women are forced to be pregnant, to carry pregnancies, to become parents when they don't want to be. those are women that are gonna be out of the workforce, who are not gonna plea complete their education, the single best prediction of being a victim it is being apparent. the single best predictor of bankruptcy in this country is being a parent of young children. so, this is fundamentally gonna be an economic issue, as well as a socialist and personal. on >> reshma, your thoughts? >> it's absolutely an economic issue again who has abortions?
mothers. and half of those that have abortions have two or more children. the reason again is it's a choice. it's because they can't afford to have another child, because more families pay more for the childcare than they do for their mortgage, it's untenable in many ways to have children in america today, that's why the declining birth rate. and so, phone to continue to stay shackled, if we continue to want to push women out of the workforce, take away the reproductive rights, it seems that's exactly what they're doing. i could maybe even understand this hypocrisy, if it was republicans that were standing there and demanding that we have paid leave. -- that doesn't have. it if republicans weren't standing in the way of making sure that we have affordable childcare in our country, if republicans were actually about family values, but they're not. it seems again, i never thought we could hate women more, but i guess we do. >> it's interesting to me, part of the reason i find your book
so compelling is because you're talking about societal change here, the fact that we're not gonna get out of this as individuals by simply changing our own practices and behavior. you do allow for a chapter, one chapter in a book, on self empowerment and i wonder how you see these two things interplaying? >> look, i want to keep making in our problem, or our shame. we need to get our partners to do more, that doesn't account for the three out of ten american families who are our single mothers. we should build society, we should build workplaces for our most vulnerable, and that is single women of color. and so, there are things we can do, look i did this today, part of it is building tangible boundaries. in my house, my husband does the knights, and i do the mornings. but if i'm sitting around at 6:00 watching netflix and eating a bowl of ice cream sherman off -- can you grab a diaper. can you grab the bottles, so at 6 pm every night i just leave. i go for a walk by myself, i
plan a girls night, even at dinner by myself. but the point is we need to set boundaries. the other thing as we start parenting out loud, i know so many women, most women i know hid their pregnancy until the very last-minute. because they knew that if they told her employer, something would be taken away from them, maybe they get fired, maybe they wouldn't get an opportunity. so, we made this implicit deal to participate in the workforce, to hide or motherhood. we can't do that anymore. we've got to do something radically different. >> reshma saujani check out her book pay, up the future of women and work. coming up next, she's an american icon, and a bona fide rock star dolly parton, next. two first ladies, and mother's meeting in a war zone, and for one of them off first public appearance since putin launched his war. we'll explain. we'll explain.
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