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hello everyone. i'm alicia menendez. the sour, when america will look like -- this expected summer decision by the supreme court and it's real world consequences. you're going to hear from two people who have spent years preparing for this moment. -- could act to protect reproductive freedom. congressman jackie speier
tonight and how she wants the democrats to approach that fight. breaking news out of ukraine. the first lady making a surprise trip to the war zone showing support from others. as the world waits to see what putin could do next and on this one day of year where moms are celebrated, remind of the support we need year-round. this is american voices. . voices. this mother's day, the right to choose when and how women become a mother. today, protesters are back before the supreme court building out reached over the leaked draft opinion showing the court looking to overturn half a century of precedents. roe v. wade. >> it's important for me to share here today. to underscore -- there are state legislatures who will if roe is overturned, let women in my position die
before providing access to the health care they desperately need. striking down roe will not stop abortions. we know this from decades of data, but it will make them unsafe. >> wouldn't underscore. according to the world health organization limiting reproductive freedom does not reduce the number of abortions, it just makes them unsafe. the rate of unsafe abortions is much higher in countries with restrictive abortion laws. across america, it's estimated one in four women will have an abortion by the time they turn 45. six and ten women who seek reproductive care are already moms. some of them have two children. even with roe in place, access to reproductive health care is already challenging for millions. one doctor in the midwest says geography, well, and time of three factors that limit access to safe reproductive care. case in point, south dakota,
the only -- in that state in sioux falls. it could take up to five hours to drive across the state meaning more south dakota than's have to take off work. there's the cost of travel. hotel room. all of, it unnecessarily economic burdens. progressive magazine reports quote, most people in the united states who seek abortions live in poverty. in south dakota, the poverty rate has risen substantially in recent years, while access to reproductive health care has been thwarted. without roe reproductive freedom will be a story to have an have-nots. it will only get worse if states are allowed to make their own rules. here to help us understand what this means for patients and organizers on the ground, the center manager for all options in the state of indiana, and the resource coordinator for women have options in ohio. thank you both so much for being with us. jess, i want to start with you. let's talk about the economic
factor. i want to pull up to maps on the screen for our viewers. take a look on the screen. on the left is the map of the states likely to ban abortion acts. on the right, the poverty rate in each state. states with a higher poverty rate are the ones likely to limit reproductive freedoms. how does the lack of abortion access impact low income families who require care? >> it impacts them and almost every way conceivable. definitely economically. something that a lot of people not already in this fight realize how already difficult it really is to get an abortion. and indiana, all of their instructions, just this week. i talked to 60 individual people, all struggling to get the care they need, and it's already been bad. it's going to get worse. but we are here for pregnant
people. we are not going anywhere. >> explain to me the how of how this is hard. it can be hard innumerable ways. it can be hard because you can find an available appointment. it is -- it can be hard because you don't have time to take off work. because you don't have the money to travel across state lines. when you are talking with patients and people who need care, what are the barriers that today are already set up? >> sure. when i talk to people, the first thing is they just already feel stigmatized. they feel like, i'm not going to help them. i'm going to judge them, but that is not something we've ever done. the second thing is just, the confusion of finding out what is an actual abortion clinic and what is not, because a lot of the cpc's, pregnancy centers, mask themselves as clinics, and so it can be difficult sometimes, even just to know what is a safe clinic to go to
that is an actual abortion clinic. the second, or the third, is just getting there. depending on where they live in the state they may also -- if we are not as bad as south dakota, but they may also be facing a 3 to 5-hour drive to access care, and as has already been established, the majority of people accessing abortion care are already parents. most of them have multiple young children at home, so if they have a shop, they have to get time off work two different individual times. they need two different appointments, at least 18 hours apart. that's two times off work. two times finding transportation, childcare, and sometimes even having to keep a secret, because the issue is so stigmatized. they may not have supportive people in their lives. just by the time they get to me on the phone, they're already freaked out. then i get to tell them how
expensive it's going to be, but that's another thing. >> alexis, a few months ago i was talking to somebody who does the work you do. she doesn't down in texas and she said i've got to be honest with you, we have been preparing for this moment for years. how does an organization like yours plan to help people who might live in a state with strict abortion laws that only becoming stricter? >> yeah, so states that have restricted access, we've been preparing for that. it's important to know that marginalized people have never put their faith, and we've never put our faith deliberation or reproductive freedom into the state to give to us. we have, in the same way, that the rate has been mobilizing to enact abortion bans and restrict access, the people who are pro abortion also are mobilizing, and also making
connections across the country, and with other states and other funds to ensure that people will be able to travel and access care. we are strong. we know we can do this. >> donald trump had this to say during the 2016 election. take a listen. >> you ready for president of the united states? do you believe in punishment for abortion? >> the answer is that it there has to be some form of punishment. there has to be some form. >> so in the meantime, republicans in louisiana crafting a buildup classifying abortion is homicide. talk to me about the chilling effect that this would have for patients seeking care, and also for those who might seek to help them. >> sure, and i can't stick to it legally will happen in our state, because we don't yet know exactly how restrictive things will get on top of where
they already are, but when you take people who already marginalized and stigmatize and scared and then you threaten them with harm or punishment for something that really is a basic human right, it's just one of the most cruel things i can conceive of. unfortunately, the state that will be most restrictive also tend to do a really poor job of supporting parents and families. so it's not as if they're going to keep people from having abortions, and then support the babies that are born. that's not going to happen. >> right. alexis, i want you to help our viewers understand the work you do. just sort of talk through a piece of it. someone calls. they say i am in need. let me talk you through my situation. and you also deliver the news about how much cost is going to carry from that point. how then do organizations like yours provide support?
>> yes, like just talked about, there are so many things, so many barriers that go into accessing abortion care. it's a lot more and just going to europe ointment. it's getting there. do you have childcare? do you have a phone to be able to make the appointment? do you have the support person to go with you? there's all these things that are considered when someone is accessing care. and every single person that calls us, their situation is different. maybe somewhere to another person, but there's always differences. and we help them with that process. we help them with information. we help that financially, logistically, with money for rights. we help them afford their appointment specifically, just specifically tool for their appointment. we connect them with the resources they need. every person, situation is different. we are just one piece of a whole system of people to help
people access care. there's legal organizations that help with that, which is so important. when we think about what's coming up for criminalization of pregnant people accessing care. >> just, i've got to ask you, there's so many what ifs here. so many questions, as you said, you don't know how this is going to go into effect in your state. it's like the one thing that keeps you up at night as you watch what is unfolding. >> well, our mission and all options have always been to provide people with the care they need with dignity and without judgment, regardless of what pregnancy outcome they have. we actually also have a diaper program. we support people with diapers and condoms and menstrual products, because we recognize that pregnancy decisions are not either or. it's not either you have an abortion already become apparent. it's often both and. and wet chills me at night is
taking that fundamental right away from people when they are already struggling to take care of the children that they have if they are. yes, there are lots of us here helping. i am proud to be a part of a network of abortion funds and other care providers, but it still scares me. >> jess, alexis, thank you both so much for joining us. still to come, congressman jackie speier on would congress sentient democrats should do to codify row. senator mitch mcconnell admits there could be a national ban on abortion, plus, the first lady takes a stand for moms across ukraine, making a surprise visit to the country just hours before putin plans to show up. -- other big stories we are tracking here. dara? >> new york governor kathy hochul has tested positive for covid. she's not experiencing any symptoms and is vaccinated and boosted. she will be isolating and working remotely until further
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ukraine. >> this mother's day first later doctor jill biden making a surprise trip inside ukraine to make ukraine's first lady -- zelenska, in offering solidarity zelenskyy fall in the visit quote, a courageous fact. putin's war against ukraine still putting civilians in danger, 60 people are feared dead after a russian airstrike in eastern ukraine today. nearly 100 were seeking shelter there. president zelenskyy now warning putin's attacks could intensify ahead of monday's victory day in russia, zelenskyy attempted the virtual g7 summit today, the leaders offered support to ukraine and urged that they will hold nothing back when it comes to holding them accountable. the g7 in the united states also announcing new sanctions today on russia, according to a readout of that call, by the white house g7 leaders are committed to phasing out or banning imports of russian oil. the biden administration already prohibiting u.s. individuals from providing
accounting or management consulting services to anyone in the russian federation, the u.s. also sanctions three of russia's most viewed state controlled television stations, with me now is richard stengel, -- public affairs. rick, good to see you i want to talk about these latest sanctions which include visa restrictions on more than 2600 officials and russia and belarusian, why do they matter? >> they matter, because it's a tightening of the rope around russia and making russia at a pariah in everywhere on the world stage, economically, socially, culturally or. the fact that belarusian officials are part of this is also important because belarus has been a loyal crony on a high of putin and we want to make sure that they suffer the consequences as well. that consulting services, many
american companies and most american families have left already but a few -- will also now have to leave. so, it's the increasing tightening of sanctions which also again, as we've talked about before, is a slow process, it's not something that will deter russians tomorrow, but it'll make russia excluded from almost everything on the world stage. >> you tip through as much of the sanctions, you didn't get to the state sponsored television stations, i wonder what you make of that, and i wonder if they could've been targeted sooner? >> you know, i've talked about this before tomorrow, i think our approach, which is sensible, logical was to ramp up sanctions not to start with a shock and awe of sanctions, maybe in retrospect we should've done more earlier. you know, i remember being involved during the obama administration, it comes to the treasury department there very, very specific way.
it takes a long time to get sanctions through, so yes i think in retrospect it's possible we could've done more but they're still more to come. >> new york times put on pause on i about nazi felt in ukraine, i wonder what you make about his wording it on this idea of a nazi ukraine, which of course has been widely debunked. and what message you expect him to continue to make to russians on victory? >> you know, i think it's confusing to americans, it's even a confusing to me. the adjectives of nazi in russia is the worst possible thing by an exponential margin that you can call someone. on this victory in europe, it celebrates in part the russian victory over nazi germany, russia lost 27 million people during world war ii. but it dishonors its legacy in world war ii bartending that ukraine is a nazi state, a nazi state headed by a jewish
president, and i think it's a way of demonizing ukraine to the domestic russian population. after all, he doesn't think it's a nation, and by calling them kind of filthy scam, he does the same kind of thing that hitler and the nazi's did themselves against jews in germany. so, he's mirroring this authoritarian style that was used by hitler and used by stalin who he seems to be emulating. >> confusing, india richard stengel, thank you for being with us next republican leaders are flouting a national ban on abortion, how far are republican -- and he's been described as a chief architect of trump's coup attempt. and now the january six committee is changing its approach to john eastman, we'll tell you more, straight ahead. e, straight ahead.
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ever issued, it would mean that our children would have less rights than our parents. that is simply un-american, little vote on wednesday -- we'll see how every set understands, they can't dunk it anymore. anymore. the senate is set to vote wednesday on abortion rights. democrats don't have the 60 votes needed to override a filibuster. this call for action comes after politico published a lead draft -- from the supreme court showing five conservative justices are set to overturn roe v. wade. joining me now jackie speier. she's co-chair the democratic women's -- congresswoman, thank you for being with us. as i have been thinking about this i have been thinking a lot about the generational fault lines here. i am a millennial, older millennial, but nonetheless, part of a generation that has
lived our entire lives in a post for a world. let on the reproductive rights movements and how you talk with this generation about right that has always been codified for them and i wonder for you as someone who has lived in a post row -- pre row world. as someone who knows what that looks like, what you were making of this moment. >> alyssa, i actually was not every productive age until it roe was passed. so i have lived my entire life as someone who has had the vet benefit of it making choices that were personal with my family and doctor. to think that my daughter who had just spent an incredible day with is not going to be able to do that. it's a gut punch. i think it's a gut punch to every woman who has been every
production age over the last 45 to 50 years, to think, how could this be happening in the united states? how is it that we can have one side talk about the invasion of privacy when it comes to wearing masks, but they feel very comfortable being in charge of my uterus, in terms of mandating of giving birth to a fetus, regardless of whether or not i am physically, mentally or emotionally, or economically prepared to do so. >> congresswoman, given all that, one of the conversations that you are having with your colleagues -- what is the path forward for democrats when it comes to protecting reproductive rights? >> it's gotta be a frontal attack on those who want to reduce our rights as women, and
make no mistake, when louisiana has got a bill that wants to call a fertilized egg a person, that means if a woman aborts, she will have committed a murder, and louisiana still has the death penalty. these are serious acts being taken by the right to really strip women of their personal rights of autonomy. so i think we've got to educate a whole universe of women who have never lived outside of roe to realize what is up -- at stake. i think furthermore, you just heard chuck schumer say he's going to have a vote wednesday. i think the senate should have a vote every week on wednesday. i think the president of the united states should hold a summit on choice and on a woman's freedom to make this decision on her own without government weighing in on it.
so i think there's a lot we have to do and should do law in order to help the leadership on the other side, recognizing they don't have the american people behind them. clearly, a majority of the american people support a woman's right to make this decision on her own, but freedom to make this decision on her own. and we just have to make it loud and clear, a message that we are taking to the polls in november, and encouraging senators who i think realize that everyone is going too far on the snow. east states are going too far. you've got mitch mcconnell who is saying that if we take over, the republicans take over the senate, that they will pass a national bill. so, there is so much at stake! i'm >> jacqui -- he scared the end of roe could
erode of the rights. >> at this point, we have got to come together, not just the lgbtq+ community, but together with all marginalized communities, all americans, all human beings whose rights are at risk. we must come together and fight and gather. we are at a tipping point in this nation, and if we are not actively involved by voting and helping anyway we can, we are part of the decline of this once great nation that believed in equal justice under law, this one great nation that at least said we were all about we the people. >> what is at stake beyond roe, congresswoman speier? >> all of the decisions that have been based on the right to privacy. it includes same-sex marriage, interracial marriages and the use of contraception. all of those are now subject to the whims of a supreme court that is so extreme that it does
not reflect the american people, nor does it reflect aligning more, because the law has always been reliant on precedent, and all these former candidates to the supreme court justices said that they would rely on precedent. well roe v. wade is precedent, so is casey, sore all the laws that embraced by decisions on same-sex marriage, and interracial marriage. so, we have a lot at stake. i could not agree more with the former speaker. >> congresswoman, jackie speier, thank you so much for being with us. happy mother's day to you. next, a new focus for the january 6th changing its approach to one of the architects -- plus, if there is one thing we have learned from this pandemic, caregiving is a crucial drop. how do we best help working moms? we will ask the author of essential labor.
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racing the clock in a key court battle seeking quote, expedited access to records from former trump attorney sean eastman. in a court finding, the committee requests documents, urging the judge to speed up their release ahead of next month's public hearings. he says already turned over more than 15,000 pages of
emails. his lawsuit to block the subpoena is hanging off -- rolling stone reports eastman has joined a far-right fund raising site raking in nearly $200,000 for his efforts to defend trump's big lie. joining me now, political national correspondent betsy and jill mine banks. betsy, when is the eastman lawsuit tell you about the time crunch of the january six committee? >> it tells you that the committee is having to make hard choices about what it does and doesn't try to get in court. obviously they would like much more than the very limited basket of documents they're asking for, or what they're currently asking for. they've narrowed it to about 3000 documents. initially, we were talking tens of thousands. again, as you said, they had these 15,000 documents that they've looked at. looking at those documents tells them that there is a lot
more that they need specifically in the smaller basket, they don't know, would they don't have, says a reality that every investigator is aware of and obviously would not want to get more -- they're trying to settle for right now. at the same time, i have this hearing deadline, self imposed, coming up by the end of the first week of june. there's only so much they can do in court. luckily for the select committee they have a judge who's -- deep sympathy with the positions are coming from. it was not presented himself posts -- as someone who is a traveler. it's still tough. they're going to have to make other tough choices going forward. >> perhaps to betsy's point about the limits of the 16 committee, the justice department has moved forward with three of the committees -- how soon could we see charges against a trump advisers who are defying subpoenas? >> of course, alicia, we can
see there is nothing stopping the department of justice from taking swift action, which in my opinion is definitely called for. i agree with everything but she said. these are tough choices that have to be made. hearings are starting june 9th. that's not very much time for them to review these documents. there's a part of me that says what's right is right. and the committee is entitled to every single one of those documents. there can be no legitimate attorney client privilege claimed, because they were put on the chapman -- server. there's a third person involved. once you do that, you, the lawyer, have waved your right, and the client has no right under attorney client privilege. -- they should get, it they need, it they should get, it and it's important for all of us to know. on the other hand, as a prosecutor, i know we'll have to make compromises to get to
something that is doable. it's better to act on, not 100% of the evidence, i have plenty, there's a lot that has already shown crimes, so this was a good compromise. >> that's the, speaking of people not cooperating last week. rudy giuliani backed out of an interview. what could be the committee's next steps for, let's call them these no shows. ? >> in the case of the lawmakers, the next step would be issuing subpoenas, and thus far the committee has been loathe to do that. i would be surprised if they went ahead and subpoenaed other members in the house of representatives, but i've been surprised before at the comfort level this committee has taking aggressive steps. in the case of giuliani, the next up is simple. that is, either try to work out some sort of deal with the guy who backed out of a deal at the very last moment. or to make a contempt referral. giuliani seems to be inviting a
contempt referral with the way he's handled this negotiation. the fact that they've gone on for as long as they have. the committee, by all appearances, seems to have try to accommodate some of his requests, including agreeing not to ask questions or demand answers on certain topics. that strikes me as a meaningful accommodation. giuliani is demanding that he be able to make a recording of the interview, someone that no witness has been a lot to do in this investigation. witnesses in general are never allowed to do an investigation, which rudy giuliani knows. that is something that would definitely weigh against him, if a criminal contempt referral were made to the justice department. now the committee just has to decide, do they try to play ball with this guy any longer or do they say, you know wet? we are done. giuliani is the doj's problem. >> moving along to many other legal problems, a special graham jury a -- investigating trump in georgia. could it be the best chance of holding a former president
accountable? >> i think there are a lot of good chances for holding him accountable. certainly, that particular grand jury is a good one. they already have a recording of him making a threat to the secretary of state. making a request to do something that is clearly not appropriate. to find votes. just enough of them to overturn the results of the election. that is what eastman is about, to. they're both about overturning the legitimate results of the votes of the people, to ignore the votes of the people to get what he wants. and that is too dangerous for democracy. i think there is a good chance of that. there is none of the issues of the federal government prosecuting a former president. this would be the state of georgia. through the county. the district attorney. i think that is a very good one, with very solid evidence. >> betsy, jill, thank you both so much for spending time with
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america are a powerful force. the census bureau estimates nearly 77 million women under the age of 50 have kids, and many of those moms are taking to the streets over the likely end of roe. >> i'm here on mother's day, because everyone should have a choice, whether they become a mother or not. it's really important for me
that my daughter has a choice whether to be a mother, and for everyone in this country as a choice. my mom has been protesting this since the 1970s. it is a family -- family values to heal the world. i'm not here -- >> a new book makes the case for mothering as a radical acton caretaking it is both personal and political. joining me now is the author of essential labor, mothering as social change. angela, you wrote an article months ago! i came to and said please come on the show. so you've written your book. you did it! the hardest thing to ever birth! here's the thing, whenever i pitch a segment about motherhood everyone's like oh, motherhood. no! you are making an argument that this is radical in every way. tell me why. >> this is where we are on the
frontlines. we are raising the next generation of community leaders, neighbors, politicians, like, mothering is the front lines where we can impart the values that we want to see in the world. and i think about that every day with my young girls. i think coming of age as a woman of color in america, i realized very early on, that a lot of things are not meant for me. i had to work really hard to take pride and value myself. i don't want it to be that hard for them. this is where we can teach them those things and make it easier. if we are not here to make the world a bit better what is the point? >> talk to me about how you see abortion access for respecting mothers? >> 66% of people who have abortions are mothers. to me, that is really clear these are people who know the exact cost, time and financial -- because children will drain you
financially. they know the cost. this is really an economic justice issue. we know the people who are not able to get abortions -- rich people will always be able to get abortions. it's poor women and women of color who've not been able to do that. and so in america, we've invented poverty. this is a man-made condition. and by forcing people into motherhood, you are forcing people into poverty. and we are very comfortable saying that some people deserve to be in poverty and that we are comfortable, like our government is saying we are comfortable with that. it has to be confined in the home. >> -- written about your book. as a mother's day gift. i did know i wanted or needed, but there is an idea that between the two of you that crystallized for me, is that during this pandemic a lot of us recognize the way in which we live in community with others. we were not able to do
everything we needed to do for our kids on our own. for example, i was very reliant on other parents, other caregivers, but there are people who went in the other direction. there are people who said i need to just focus my time, my energy, my care all my nuclear family. on the 45 people in my life. i wonder is if you were researching in your, book you came to understand with that dividing line was between people who started to reimagine care as a collective exercise and those who thought it was an even more individual effort. >> yeah, i would just say it's the way we have lived. we cannot do it alone. people who are concentrating on their nuclear family, they've got help. they're outsourcing. let's just name it for what it is. american life, you need help. we all need help for human needs. i think that really, when i was developing these ideas, this is the work of survival. marginalized people, oppressed
people, people of color in america, have been making community and relying on people since the beginning. right? so the pandemic to me is an opportunity. we all saw we had to admit i can't do this alone. i want us to key into that. we need each other. we are interdependent. the more we see that -- when we silo ourselves off, we are weaponizing our resources. we are like -- in america we are told we have to keep everything for ourselves. why? it's like, the idea to me is, what's best for this country is what is best for all people. especially people who need the resources. i think we really need to be thinking about how it's uncomfortable, right, to think about giving up some comfort, right? but we're at that level where i feel people really -- with the way we live, in modern america -- with all this push to go back to normal.
to go back to the office, i don't want us to lose that beautiful interdependence. that really beautiful community making that we were doing out of necessity. the pandemic is not over. we continue to need each other. >> angela, and what is her first television appearance ever. angela, thank you for gracing me with your presence. she is the author of the new book essential labor, mothering as social change. next, matt gates living his best life, but the twitter knives were out for the republicans later missed -- misstep, later on the mini hasan show. he speaks on evan mcmullin, who is running for senate and has the support of the states democratic party. that conversation is ahead at 8 pm eastern right here on msnbc. msnbc msnbc shinges doesn't care. i grow all my own vegetables shingles doesn't care. we've still got the best moves you've ever seen
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limited to quote how much education is too much for a woman, congressman? quote, oh sweetie must not hang out with much overeducated, under live millennial when i'm, we make charcuterie boards for now. proud uterus, cat, and microwave owner who is probably overeducated, is this supposed to be an insults? another pushback reading quote, since i have no children i'm no longer of childbearing age, does that mean i have no value? asking for a friend. in honor of mother's day quote, are we still calling it mother's day is now just domestic infant supplier day? and on that note, very happy mother's day from this over educated, under loved, conceded millennial that's all the time that i have i militiamen and as, i'll see you back here next week and 6 pm eastern for more american voices, for now i handed over. i'm mehdi. good evening alicia, forget matt gates let's just say happy mother's day to you and all the people that are watching. >> thank.
you >> have a great night. tonight, on the mehdi hasan show, fighting autocrats on the right, conservative evan mcmullin left the gop discusses his democratic party back campaign to undersea pro trump republicans in utah. plus, 1 million covid deaths in the united states, all speak to political -- and young about the tragic that we can't ignore. and democratic congresswoman barbara lee on the end of abortion rights in america. that evening, and happy mother's day to all the mothers watching tonight. i'm mehdi hassan i've been pointing out on this show since we launched in 2020, there's no real organized resistance to trump on the right. and we should stop imagining that there is. the republican party is trump's party, i know it, you know i, and all those so member