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level the right to an abortion. it is about to happen here. you will see it live. with vice president kamala harris expected to preside. what can and what will democrats and president biden do next? and on wall street where the inflation report is top of mind for a lot of folks including the president who just spoke with farmers in illinois about the economy. also happening now, donald trump versus lettisha james. over whether the former president has to talk to the new york a.g. we have a pair of nbc news exclusives this hour including a one-on-one with the man running away with the senate primary in pennsylvania who says he's just a democrat. just a democrat, rejecting the progressive label. what else john fetterman is telling our team and who he says he'll disappoint if he makes it to washington. i'm hallie jackson. let's start here at the capitol. allie is there. chief white house correspondent peter alexander is posted up on
the north lawn for us. it is fair and safe to say at this point, it is never safe until the vote is closed but it is pretty safe to say this vote is pretty much dead in the water. yet for democrats, chuck schumer has made this very clear, to get on the record with where they stand and force republicans and others, including senator joe manchin, to get on the record with where they stand. >> that's entire right. that's the entire ethos. they tried to fast women's protection act in february. the house passed it in december of last year. the senate democrats just lacked the votes on it. of course, the national landscape has changed significantly since that february vote. but the more things change, the more they stay the same in terms the numbers game here. it will still shake out in the same exact way. 49 democrats voting to proceed on to the women's health protection act and 51 republicans and one democrat, joe manchin, voting against it. those are the stakes here. but the ethos behind this, if
you talk to democratic leadership aides, is to put forward a bill that codifies abortion protections that we have in roe but also goes a little bit further and makes it so there are no loopholes around things like religious objections or religious and freedom reformation act. things that would go against that law in the states. so they're trying to push forward a little further and get rid of some of the loopholes we've seen in some of the states. it is part of why people like joe manchin are not on board. it is why you're not seeing susan collins and lisa murkowski get on board with that. there's no real appetite among the majority of democrats to move forward on a bill that many of them see as diluted. that's why you're seeing them vote on this women's health protection act today. it will fail. now they'll turn toward the mid-terms and hope to energize the base with it. >> so talk about those mid-terms. the, after this vote goes down, and i mean that in both senses of the word this afternoon, the ball is in the president's court, right?
and the white house, to a degree, as far as they can't actually take any tangible steps. they are limited in some ways by the fact that we are, you know, we have the constitution here. what are you hearing from the white house on what action the president might take moving forward and how this plays out politically for them? >> well, the white house is heavily limited. it recognizes the best way to go about reinforcing or guaranteeing abortion rights in this country is for these rights to be passed by congress. that's not going to happen today. so we've pressed jen psaki, the press secretary, and others about this very topic. what they've said to us is that among their priorities right now, as they talk about the potential for some times of executive actions, to do what they can in terms of increasing access and funding here. they note what happened after sv 8. the six-week abortion plan was put in place in texas. the administration pushed forward with new grant money. they note about 75% of those
getting abortions in this country are 200%, or below 200% of the poverty line right now. so it is disproportionately black and hispanic people impacted by these bans taking place and by restricted access. they don't have better access to health care coverage. if these bans are to be put in place in many more states. remember, 13 states have trigger laws which means, if roe was overturned, stronger bans would go to place in those states as well. it will make it more challenging for individuals there. this is also a challenging topic for president biden. you'll recognize that his view on the issue of abortion is shifted over the years, dating back to when he came in the senate in 1973. he had a very different view than he has now. now he supports abortion rights back then. he did not. the white house recognizes the significance of this issue. it is one that they believe will be important in terms of mid-term messaging, and their effort to protect the majority in congress come this fall,
hallie. >> ali, let me go back to you. let me explain what people are seeing on the left side of the screen. there it is. it is not the vote that we are looking for. it is not this vote to protect abortion rights. that's coming up, we think any minute. that will be the next one in the sequence. we'll be watching this live as this happens. what is also part of the interesting piece today, and you and peter have laid out where democrats are on this. republicans here are really focused on this idea of protests outside supreme court justices' homes. you have republican senator tom cotton today sending a letter to the doj asking for arrests, asking for a federal investigation into these protests. it feels like there's some gop coalescing around this as democrats are focused on getting folks on the record. >> yeah. they're coalesced first around the leak itself, when the leak first came over a week ago. now the focus has been on the ways in which protests have
manifested around supreme court justices and certain members of the senate. for example, senator susan collins unhappy because she had some chalk that was done outside her main home saying she should be voting with democrats to protect and codify roe. that's where republicans have focused their attentions now. when you see the national conversation, and there's a fascinating split that's starting to happen between national republicans in washington and then republicans at the state level. we've seen republicans at the state level from mississippi, the very places at the center of the court's attention right now. otherwise, all across the south and for different parts of the midwest. they have been working to restrict abortion access over the course of the last few years. here in washington though, that conversation has been quite muted. to the point where i've heard several republican strategists say republicans seem like the dog that finally caught the car on this issue and now they don't know what to do with it. the polling shows, it is a little bit out of step with where main stream americans are. nearly six in ten americans want
to see abortion legal in some or most cases. when those are the pollings, when that's the polling data in a mid-term election year and democrats want to make this the central issue. it makes sense why republicans want to continue to keep the focus on inflation. we don't know if that's how it will shake out. i think a lot of the polling on this is quite stale. for 49 years, most americans didn't have to think about a tangible and real threat to reproductive access. it has been decided precedent for nearly five decades. now, as we start to look at the polling and the way these issues are manifesting in the minds of voters, it is an open question and frankly, an untested one about if this will help bridge the energy game between democratic voters and republican voters. frankly, republicans have been leading by that metric in all the polls we've seen before this. >> let me play a little of what we've heard from messages of the senate in the last couple hours as we lead up to this vote on capitol hill. >> none of that stuff should be
of anybody's concern until we get the final supreme court decision. we don't know what that is. and nothing has changed until then. >> i haven't heard it. i would just say if you've been here any number of years, you know the tables can turn. >> this is what americans will have to decide this fall. do you want to have a woman make this decision with her doctor? or do you want to have the politicians in washington make this decision? >> and someone you spoke with today, republican corey bush, what about the regulation of sperm? that's something she talked about and how that is not part of the conversation. explain that. >> yeah. it was a provocative way of saying it. we were in her office doing an on the record but off camera with reporters. she framed it as right now we are looking at regulating uteruses and eggs but we're not looking at the male side of this equation. i think the comment was in some ways tongue in cheek.
she made the point that there is no conversation right now about the male role in all of this. and of course, corey bush is someone whose reaction, i think it is important to highlight. she's one of a few members. by a few, i mean three or four members in this body in the house who have actually accessed abortion care. when she was 17, a pregnancy that resulted from a rape. she's only just become public about telling this story. she told it to me for the first time ever on camera back in september, rather, in september or october of last year, alongside several other democratic lawmakers. but hers is a reaction that i think is important. aside from the politics, i asked her, as someone who has had to make this choice. what it feels like to see this happening now in this country. and she said that she's just furious. and it is something that we've heard echoed from the handful of other female lawmakers who have been in the position to make this decision. i mean, the first person that i thought of when this draft opinion leaked was congresswoman barbara lee who had a back alley
abortion in mexico before protections from roe were in place. and there was palpable fear in her voice when she talked to me about that last year. the fear of going back tom. this doesn't ban abortion, whatever the court decides. all it does is it makes it less safe and more restricted and it makes it harder for women who will still turn to that care but not be able to get it in the same way they do now. >> there are a couple dozen senators, not the vote that would protect it federally. we're still a couple minutes away from the start of that vote. president biden is traveling. he's out in illinois. he is about to get on or just got on one of his flights from where he was talking with farmers, an event that he has in about 15 minutes from now. obviously, he is engaged watching this go down. and what is interesting, the vice president is expected to preside over this. we wouldn't typically see the vice president preside over what is expected to be a vote that democrats are likely to lose. >> that's right. normally you would see the vice
president in an evenly divided senate be there for historic votes but in a tie breaking way. there is no need for a tie-breaking vote today but he is there because. nature of this. the historic name of it. and we've heard her speak very publicly about this since the leaked draft opinion from justice samuel alito became public, saying among other things to those republican leaders, how dare you, how dare they try to move forward to ban women's reproductive rights. their right to abortion in this country. so we will be seeing the vice president, we anticipate, in the next few minutes there. and we expect it is possible she'll be speaking to reporters afterwards, to have her message delivered. to amplify this decision. that many democrats, women across the country are feeling right now. recognize the polls in this country show that roughly 54% of americans believe that roe should stay in place. the right to abortion should
exist in this country. but this at the end of the day for democrats, they believe will be a motivating issue against all those head winds this fall, heading into november, given the situation with inflation which is making headlines today. the numbers still averaging more than 8% rise over the course of the last year. they believe this is an issue that won't just motivate democrats but will swing voters to try to say to them that the republican party, as the president has described it, the ultra maga crowd, is to extreme. yesterday the president attacked that ultra maga crowd as he describes it, for what he called its extreme agenda, saying in part, their position, their agenda going forward, is to raise taxes on 75 million more americans. many top republicans say that's not a plan. this is just some positioning as we head into the mid-terms. it is a sharpening of the rhetoric and the language and ultimately, the tone as we head into the mid-term.
still many months away. >> i'm going to ask both of you. stay close to the camera, or have your colleagues do that. we do expect that vote to begin in a couple minutes on the senate side again. again, a vote that would codify under roe v. wade. it is almost certainly a doomed vote. as we've talked about, important for democrats politically. we're going to stay on that. we just heard from president biden on inflation. he in a rope line, was asked by a reporter in illinois about this new inflation report. these new numbers out from the bureau of labor statistics today showing maybe inflation could be leveling off. the president said it is going down. it has further down to go. i'm paraphrasing here. you see the consumer index going up 8.3. if you're out shopping, if you have a monthly budget, a weekly budget, you probably realize you're not getting. relief.
food, rent, see gas prices? they are costing an average of $4.40 a month. to put it into perspective, gas hasn't been that expensive since the model t from ford hit the continue to be very expensive and prices continue to go up rapidly. the rate of that growth, yes, it is slowing down compared to the past couple of months. but overall, 8.3% inflation is really tough. and when you dig down into the number, which you were just showing there. you see irfares up. overaurlgs it is a very difficult picture. it really puts a lot more question marks around what the federal reserve ought to be
doing the next time they meet to raise interest rates. the question is, did they do too little and too late when they did that first rate hike earlier this year? now, looking ahead, what the biden administration is trying to do here. a lot of these measures are medium to long term fixes with the exception of the broad band subsidy for lower income families. so i sat down today in an exclusive interview with the national economic council director and asked, what is the target number for inflation? and he refused to answer. he said that, look, this is more about what the biden administration is doing going forward. he said they don't have a target number when it comes to inflation coming down. but this is a pretty difficult picture going into the mid-terms for president biden. a lot of promises right now. when you look at the wage growth overall from the jobs report, we saw 5.5% job growth.
now still 8.3% inflation. and the numbers just do not add up when it comes to paying the bills. so when you see the food price situation here being addressed, that takes time. when we've been talking to farmers out there, in the heartland of america, they say they need help soon, faster than that. their fertilizer prices are going up many, many times. seven times according to one farmer we talked to. >> you know who else needs help. you know this because you're in the jacksonville area talking to people. middle class families, because of what we're seeing, being forced basically to have to turn to food banks. >> reporter: that's exactly right. and they're saying more than 80% of the people they're serving have at least one source of income. and it is people like you were describing. middle class families and seniors. people with fixed incomes who don't have the flexibility when gas is going up, when food is going up, housing is going up, to be able to pay for the
increase. and that's the problem that you have here in a place like jacksonville. this is a swing county. a place where politically, it is important for democrats because they feel like they've been having some momentum now. when you look at the economic pressures, it is clear people on both sides of the aisle see inflation as a real threat. listen to a few. conversations i've been having. >> sort of picking and choosing my battles now, what i really need versus what i want as the prices increase. >> we're being more picky about what we shop for. i'm trying to pick things that i can turn into two and three meals. >> i filled up my truck yesterday. $78. >> to fill up his truck. normally it would be about $40, or $45. >> reporter: so then there's the question, who are they blaming for the inflation we're seeing? look at this poll of floridians taken last month. you see 76%, actually, we'll
start with this here. a survey said most people, 64% of people are blaming the biden administration, saying they are somewhat or very responsible for inflation. but also, look later in that poll. you see 87% of people are blaming supply chain issues. 62% saying the war in ukraine is very or somewhat responsible for inflation. you ask in terms of what they view of the federal government and their involvement on inflation. 76% say they are somewhat or very dissatisfied with how the federal government is handling this issue. that is the risk. that's why you're seeing president biden out there in the country, out in the country talking about this issue. you see the political risk for him. because of how personal this issue is for so many people. >> shaq brewster, thank you. we've got a lot more to get to in the show with a federal judge lifting the contempt order
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happening right now, former president trump's attorneys fighting to appeal a judge's order that would force him and two of his kids, don junior and ivanka, to talk to the new york ag's office as part of an investigation into the company's business practices. it comes as the state attorney general is now responding to a separate ruling this afternoon. the one where a judge in a different case involving mr. trump lifted the contempt order against him. there is a catch.
there's a few of them actually. mr. trump has to cough up more documents the state wants. he's also paying a $110,000 fine if those conditions are not met, then yes, that $10,000 a day fine gets slammed back on donald trump, the ag says that makes clear no one can avoid accountability. let me bring in nbc news analyst, let me turn the floor over to you to explain what that means comes next for the former president's legal fight on a couple of different fronts here that we've laid out. >> first, we talked about the trump team is opposing the subpoenas. essentially arguing that they are beyond the power of the attorney general to compel in a case like this. they've raised a number of different arguments. on the contempt issue, it is a fascinating case study in contempt. you rarely see judges issue contempt orders like this. $10,000 a day. they have the power under new
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side of the screen in the senate chamber where we understand vice president kamala harris is now in the building. she's expected to preside over that vote that would codify federal access, federal protections for abortion access. it is expected to fail. we'll watch what's happening there. we're also watching what's happening overseas. u.s. military confirming that russia has used hypersonic missiles. this is what we learned at a house defense budget hearing. watch. >> the russians have used several hypersonic missiles. obviously, the distinguishing factor of a hypersonic missile is the speed. other than the speed, the effect on a given target we are not seeing really significant or game-changing effects. >> we're getting this update from the pentagon while the ukrainian president says they've been able to take back some villages in the northeast which is strategically and
symbolically important to them. >> reporter: yeah. this is part of the main counter attack that ukrainian forces are carrying out. four villages have been retaken by ukrainian forces, liberated by those forces. villagers able to come out for the first time. russians are counter attacking. they on two villages. in area. so that's where we have the heaviest ground fighting. in the central part of the country, we have people trying to return to their homes. here in kyiv we have two-thirds of people have now come home. and you have the grim task of accounting for an invasion that failed in this area. we spent the day, we should warn our viewers that what is to come is graphic. this is a graphic story and i'll filibuster a little by saying we were with the unit charged with discovering and exhuming dead russian soldiers across the country. and we today went with this unit and they found a dead russian soldier in the woods. they tell us there are 200. there are 200 soldiers that have been discovered in kyiv and five other sort of districts around
the country. we don't have a good handle on how many russian soldiers in this killed in this war, though according to ukrainian officials, it is close to 25,000. we visited the main facility where they store these soldiers. the officials tell us the russians have not requested these bodies back. in fact, they're not engaging in discussions about these bodies. and each of these bodies is a threat that the ukrainian government pulls on for any information about this war. we're told most of the borders don't have any identification on them. a sign, perhaps, that the soldiers were taken. they their identities with them because they were taken with them before they invaded. they weren't told what they were doing here. it is this accounting for the war taking place across the country. as people move back, they're moving back to places where there are land mines, there are still bodies. that's something the ukrainian government is having to sort through. >> live for us from ukraine. thank you. we want to get to the latest on a shooting death of a palestinian journalist. she was covering an israeli raid
when she was shot and killed. you're about to see some video captured pay human rights group. al jazeera, palestinian officials and another reporter hurt in this attack say the bullet that killed her was fired by the israelis, by israeli forces. israel's government initially suggested the palestinian government actually killed her. they appear to have backed off from that claim. the u.s. government is condemning the killing calling it an affront to media freedom every where. i want to bring in our nbc correspondent for the latest on this. what do we know? >> reporter: the israeli military is promising an investigation into what happened here. the white house, the state department has been demanding that that happens. i have to tell you, palestinians in the occupied west bank have been telling us all day, they do not have a lot of faith the israeli military, who they allege carried out this killing, are actually going to investigate themselves thoroughly, will hold people to account if needs be. here's what we know.
she was in the northern west bank early this morning. she was covering a raid by israeli forces in that city when she was killed. she was wearing one of those blue press vests that we wear, very clearly marking her as a journalist. now al jazeera is saying she was deliberately targeted by israeli forces. they are citing eyewitness accounts from her own crew who were with her the moment she was killed, including one of her producers who was himself shot in the back during this exchange of fire. he is going to survive. as up, israel's prime minister naftali bennett saying early this morning that it appeared likely that this journalist was actually killed by palestinian gunmen who were firing at israeli troops as they came into this refugee camp. in the hours that have passed since, the israelis have kind of edged away from that explanation. the israeli defense minister in just the last hour has been
doing a briefing for the international press. he is saying they simply don't know at this stage who killed her. she is not a household name in the united states. but she is universally known across the middle east as the woman who delivered the news to hundreds of millions of people for al jazeera from the occupied west bank. we were just at the al jazeera bureau earlier, hallie. there's a real outpouring of grief for a journalist who they say was doing her job, bearing witness to what is happening here. >> raf sanchez, thank you for being there and bringing us that reporting. we want to take you back to capitol hill. ali is outside the senate chamber where the vote has begun on that bill that would federally protect access to abortion. again, it is expected to fail. the vote has been called. we think timing wise, so our viewers know. it will take anywhere from 20 minutes, 30 minutes, something in that range? >> that's right. this is one of two votes that
were taken up in the last hour or so. the second vote, the one that we have all been waiting for, just began. the first of that vote actually took about an hour. and we are hearing, we know that vice president harris has been called in as the tie-breaking vote of this 50/50 senate. she is actually on capitol hill right now. we're hearing that she will actually speak to the press after she passed this tie-breaking vote. we're hearing that could be possibly a little after 4:00 p.m. right here on capitol hill. as you said, we know this bill is a likely doomed bill from the start because democrats don't have the numbers to get this done alone, let alone pass a filibuster to be able to get this done. the senate majority leader chuck schumer has said this will stand as really just a purpose to have senators go on the record with where they stand on abortion. on abortion rights ahead of the
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to another nbc news exclusive, it is less than a week to the pa primaries. so much focus has been on the republican primary where trump endorsed dr. oz. but on the democrat side, people are looking at john fetterman. he's ahead in the polls right now pretty substantially. 53% of the vote. he talked with our report he with his wife. what was interesting here is,
you asked if the lieutenant governor considered himself a progressive. he said no, no, i'm just a democrat. which is notable here. >> reporter: yeah. that's absolutely right. you talk to john fetterman, you go to his campaign events, you go to his house which we did. a former car dealership that they turned into a home. it is across the street from a steel mill. you watch him campaign in his hoodie and gym shorts. you get feeling he's trying to do something different. he's creating his own brand within the democratic party. when you look at the number, it seem to be working. oriole in this race, people thought it was going to be very tight between conor lamb who has painted himself as a moderate, and john fetterman. but he's run away with it. and he seems to be not your typical democrat type of politician. and i spent some time with his wife giselle, sort of his foil
in all of this. john is talking to the waning working class base that democrats have largely lost in recent years. giselle is from brazil. she grew up as an undocumented immigrant here. and she has the personality and the flair and she often gets even bigger crowds than he does. together they're sort of straddling this old school, new school time of democrat. when i talked to him about this space he's trying to carve out, here's what he told me. >> i'm just a democrat that has always run on what i believe and know to be true. and six years ago, that was considered progressive. i believe democrats need to vote like democrats and get things done. if you are a joe manchin democrat, then i will disappoint you if i make it to washington, d.c. >> reporter: you will see him in
former blue strongholds that have gone red in recent years, talking to steel workers, talking to blue collar workers. and then you'll hear him talk about policies like universal health care, like expanding voting rights, codifying roe v. wade. so again, it's interesting to watch how he sort of straddles what seems to be a widening gap in the democratic party. but we'll see in november if he's able to win this thing. it will say a lot about the direction of the democrats. >> he is as we mentioned in the polling, substantially ahead of his competitors. what about conor lamb? what is his campaign saying about where things stand? >> reporter: well, lamb would argue with this poll you're seeing on the screen. emthey're looking at numbers internally that show the race is much tighter. i think it was a surprise to a lot of people that. it was, that wasn't a tater race. on both sides, they talk about
wanting something different. and honestly, the scriptors i hear about fetterman are similar to 2016 and 2020. he's not a politician. he is an outsider. he talks like a real person talks. not like someone from washington. so i think in this climate, people are looking for somebody that has something a little bit different to bring to the table. and right now, for the democrats, it seems like fetterman might have that thing. >> dasha burns live for us from philly. thank you. so now on the future of work. you might be thinking about this if you're back in the office now, a couple days a week, maybe working from home some of the time. the ceo of air bnb may soon be a thing of the past. here is the senior business correspondent stephanie ruhle. formerly with our family.
>> i am always part. i'm always part of msnbc of the family. never leaving. >> one of the things, i was so excited to see this interview with brian chesky. he's really interesting here. he's told people they can live and work from anywhere indefinitely. it is a very different tone than you hear from most of corporate america. >> well, just think about this. airbnb is in a unique position. do you realize the covid they had? they were one of the first companies to get crushed when covid hit. they ended up having to lay off about 25% of their employees. they then had a huge comeback. people were locked down and suddenly we said we don't want to be in cities. people started moving out to more remote locations. they saw the trends coming and now they're seeing the next one. they said we haven't just been able to operate over the next few years. we've optimized, we've 35ed. since they've gone remote, they
only employ 6,000 people. here's a little of what he had to say. >> a lot of people are looking at big old companies to establish, what are they doing? i like to look at the young companies. if you want to predict the future, you look at the next generation. and 20 years ago, tech companies popularized onsight perks. what happened? their company started looking like younger companies because they wanted to compete for that talent. young companies are embracing remote work, flexibility. this is where the world is going. if a company chooses not to embrace it, that's fine but this is where the world will be ten years from now. >> i was waiting for you. you have that look on your face like you're ready to drop some other -- >> how, he sort of has this okay boomer attitude. if you really listen to what he's saying, he said look at the young companies. that's where you see the future.
he said the big established companies, he's kind of saying, you fuddy duddies can't get your head around a new kind of work. you need to see your employees sitting in your cubical. just because they're sitting there doesn't mean they're doing any work. >> the contrast. first of all, we all know somebody for whom that's true. not here at msnbc news, generally out in the world. i think you would know this from your work in the financial world. i think they're tracking people. they're monitoring badges. how often do people badge in, how often do you come into the office? and his whole gamble is that will back fire. >> he thinks it will for those times of businesses. but remember, it serves tech companies, it serves air bnb. they can thrive. he's not saying let's go remote and that's it. they're going to do somewhat of a hybrid. where you're going to have offsites once a month, team
building. they'll work together for periods of time and then head back home to wherever you live. and you're not going to have your pay adjusted. if you lived in new york city and now you're moving out to rural iowa, your pay will still be the same. though your cost living is a lot lower. they seem to think, they are going to be able to able to attract top, top talent offering this and at a time when it's hard to bring in great people they might be making a bet that wins. >> stephanie ruhle, glass to see you. glad to have you for this exclusive. >> always great to see you. >> you can catch steph at 11:00 p.n. eastern on msnbc. >> for the first time the u.s. government detailing its own brutal abuse against native-american kids at government-run schools and the key questions that are still out there. at are still out there.
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around the country. 50 grave sites found and more that are likely yet to be discovered. you may have heard about some of these places in history class or maybe not. this is a very dark of u.s. history. these boarding schools basically stole native american kids, stripped them of their identity and forced them to learn english and physical and sexual abuse these children endured. here's what secretary deb holland the first native-american secretary of the interior had to say about this tragic chapter in our nation's past. >> each of those children is a missing family member, a person who was not able to live out their purpose on this earth because they lost their lives as part of this terrible system. >> joining us now is nbc news correspondent antonio hilton. tell us more about what we learned about some of these sites. >> hallie, i think one thing that's important to note at the outset is what was said in today's announcements and in this report, this is really the
beginning of a long, research and healing process. this doesn't represent final numbers or the conclusion of the federal government's reckoning here and what we learned is, as you mentioned, they're effort mating about 500 children died through these school systems throughout the u.s. there were unmarked graves and at least 37 different states and this is the beginning of a long process and we're looking at a sample of ultimately 408 different federally-supported schools in this very violent and abusive system and as our colleague reported earlier, the estimates from independent groups and experts who have been doing this research for a long time put the number of deaths really more in the tens of thousands. and so we're likely to find out about more unmarked graves and more children lost in the boarding schools as the months and weeks go on. last summer i got to go up to
michigan to meet with survivors and leaders of the little travers indians and most were sent to a boarding school named holy childhood of jesus and i want you to hear what one of the survivors shared with me. >> the nuns took you -- they had this table and they stood you up and they'd strip you naked and washed from head to toe. the nuns telling us, you have to wash until you get that color off and we didn't know what that meant because we were washed. we were clean, and you keep going until you get that brown off there. >> stories like fred's, we heard many of them, hallie, that summer that we spent with folks there. one other survivor described to us that when she would get math problems wrong her teacher would grab her by the hair and drag her to the front blackboard and
humiliate her in front of the studentses. a nun forced him to eat another child's punishment and he is a marine corps veteran and it's the memories that haunt him than the military. that struck me the amount of trauma that people continue to live with and the stories that are passed on that they've known that often times the u.s. has ignored, hallie. >> it is just horrific to hear about antonia and so important to be shining a light on the stories. biden administration response, where does this go next here? >> what we will see is secretary holland do essentially a tour around the united states. she'll meet with survivors and gather more stories and gather more records and the beginning of a long reckoning process and there are serious questions here and the federal government hasn't issued a formal apology which is disappointing to some indigenous americans and you will hear people demand that there be more on that front,
hallie. >> antonia hilton, thank you so much for that. >> let's go back to what's happening here in washington in the building behind me and the u.s. capitol and there's the senate chamber that would protect abortion access, and a doomed vote essentially, although vice president kamala harris is still presiding over this. give us some color from inside the chambers. >> the thing that's important to stress right now is this is a historic vote in a landscape changing moment right now for the reproductive rights movement and it feels very humdrum in the halls of congress and yes, we saw house democratic lawmakers march on the walkway behind me on the senate side of the building and that was an hour ago as the vote was kicking off and that was the most action that we've seen here. the last time i looked down at my phone there were 30 senators left to vote on this vote and then we expect to hear from vice president kamala harris after she left the chamber.
she's presiding over this vote despite she doesn't have a role to play here. she's not expected to break a tie and she's presiding it even though it is likely to fail and they are watching closely what's happening here as democrats use this as an energizing issue in the midterms. >> ali, thank you. thank you for watching this hour on msnbc. "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. a glimpse into what could have been in the aftermath of the january 6th insurrection thanks to a republican who did more than just about anyone else in preventing that vision from coming to pass. new york times reporter alex burns and jonathan martin have released audio. they did so last night of an interview they did with senator lindsay graham on