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who were able to delay motherhood, as janet yellen pointed out, we're more likely to finish college, more likely to pursue graduate degrees, they had a longer time in the labor forced, they earned more money, they were less likely to be in poverty as elderly women. their children were less likely to grow up in poverty with all the other problems that spanned generations that come with that. all you need to do is look at the evidence we have. it is quite clear that it will be devastating. >> she loved, thanks as always. thanks for your writing and reporting. >> she's a staff writer for the new yorker. she's been following the story closely. straight ahead, breaking down what is behind inflation. what it means and what you need to know about it. we are talking about the plan that is unfolding in one state that is keeping abortion access in a post robe scenario. another hour of velshi begins right now.
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good morning. it is saturday may 14th. according to the latest survey, americans view inflation as the top problem facing the country right now. this is no surprise as the price of everything is rising. there's a lot more going on behind the scenes. i want to get in to it with gas prices. it rose averaging $4.42 a gallon, according to the automobile association. a top $4 per gallon in every state, well above $5 a gallon in california and hawaii. this leads us to the discussion of crude oil prices. the biggest factor that affects how much you pay at the pump. over the past 20 years, it's important to look at it overtime. the price of crude has had peaks and values. you can see the rise starting in 2002, then the fall after the 2008 recession, then another sharp fall in 2014, and then another in 2020, the
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beginning of the corona pandemic. oil falls when people use less than the world produces. now let's go to socks. i prefer to focus on the s&p 500. it is a better representation of the market than the dow and a better reflection of your retirement investment. overall, the market has pretty much been up and to the right for the past 20 years. you could see a glitch at the top right hand side of that chart. if you are a long time investor, you look at this overall rise. if you zoom in and compare it, to the beginning of the year, this called here today, it seems a lot more serious when viewed from a long wide islands. the s&p 500 is down 18%. the nasdaq is down 28% the dow was down 13%. it had one of its worst day since 2020 last week. when you take the rise in prices and the sub supply chain
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issues that we had to deal with plus increased wages, which i think are a good thing by the way, and when you put this all into a bowl and put it into the oven for 28 minutes and could get a 350 degrees, you get this inflation. according to the bureau of labor suspect statistics, meat, poultry, eggs has increased 14.3%. fruit and vegetable prices have gone up by 7.8%. electricity has gone up 11%. inflation is a serious problem. it has destroyed presidencies in the past. this is politics and not the important part of inflation. the important part is how we actually deal with it. unfortunately, we do not really have a lot of tools to do that. >> the most commonly used tool as for the federal reserve to raise interest rates and which they have now done and will continue to do over the course of the year. this makes it more expensive to borrow money. that's the most obvious effect and mortgage rates. back in december 2021, you could get a 30 year fixed mortgage for around 3.2%.
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now in may of 2022, it spiked to 5.5 7%. that marks the highest level since 2009. that's not the end of the world. a 6% mortgage, but it's a big jump. the counter argument is that we have really low, unusually low market traits, we had them for a long time. that's a lot of numbers for a weekend morning. i've started to turn myself out. i just the guy to explain whether this is serious, it's so how serious, and whether the solution to inflation could be worse than inflation itself. joining me now is the chief economic adviser for the financial services company. he's the all around the smartest guy to sort of get up above 500 feet until it's how this problem works itself out. mohammed, please wake my audience back up after i've gone given them all the numbers about the state of inflation and what we do about it. >> you gave a very comprehensive picture of the state of inflation.
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all of which points to it being a serious issue and no wonder most americans put it as number one. and i would also add that it's a great equalizer. it's another great equalizer that is the most vulnerable segments of our society who take it hard. and it's a problem in terms of level and impact. how about is it? it depends on the policy response. it is already late, that's why inflation has persisted. now, we face to alternatives, neither of which are pleasant. either the federal reserve slams on the brakes and risks a recession rigid bringing placement down or alternatively it taps on the brakes without conviction and we have an inflation problem in 2023. this issue is not going away anytime soon. >> and ultimately inflation, like oil prices or stocks, it's all the same thing, more people
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chasing, not enough supply of product. other than interest rates, which make it more expensive to borrow, what other tools do exist to try and get this under control. >> the best tools is to act on the supply side, now the demand side. making more things available so that prices don't have to go up. unfortunately, that does not occur in the short term very well. however, there's still a very strong case to continue to get energy security in a environmentally friendly way. second, increase the participation of people in the labor force, particularly women who have not returned to the labor force in the numbers they had before the pandemic. and the supply, chains it's a complicated concept, but making sure that we have resilience and not just efficiency in the system. these are longer term issues
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that we must pursue. i'll be frank with you, they will not make it impact this year. >> a lot of these are purely economic, there are policy responses that we have said, and there's a piece of this that is unusual and has exacerbated the situation, that is the war in ukraine. one of the pieces of pressure that the u.s. and other western countries have tried to apply is stopping russian energy from being sold all over the world. that is having the effect of driving energy prices upward. what can be done about that? that can't be solved immediately. you cannot replace that russian energy easily and quickly. >> we're having to learn with high energy prices, and they would be higher if china was not slowing down that has left some kind of cap on energy prices. it's also about food prices. believe, me put is here is a
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threat of the cost of living and the threat of a famine in the most fragile african countries. this is serious and it goes well beyond economics and has an important social aspect and institutional aspect. for a lot of americans who are struggling to pay higher prices for things, and maybe not learning more as a result, it's an an equalizer. there are some people who have not seen wage increases, but they're seeing price increases. this global connection, it doesn't matter that much was not something they can prioritize. what do you tell people who are angry at their own government, perhaps the american government for this about how global an issue this is. because so global, it's their global response to be had to it. >> i totally understand when food and gas takes up a big part of your budget. and when those prices go up at
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such a rate, it is a real problem. that is why one of the policy responses must be to help the most vulnerable segments of the population. as you point out, it is not just the u.s. issue, it is a general issue. it is not the fault the government, it's also the fault of central banks. neither of them were able to react quickly enough. as to global policy response, yes we need, it but we will not get it. the g20, which is a collection of countries, they got together in washington d.c. last month and they cannot come together with a communiqué. that is how much of a problem this has become. we have to solve this global problem here as well as try to encourage other countries to do something. the solutions will come nationally. >> mohammed, thank you. you have made that very interesting, i appreciate it.
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russia a lot recently. western russia is not all nato. it has 800 miles of border on the west that is not a nato.
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some of those countries are gearing up to strengthen their own military alliance. the foreign ministers of finland and sweden are slated to meet with their nato counterparts today. take a look at those. they are the countries and blue. the two countries are eyeing a needle membership, breaking with the decades-long status as neutral. the first war crimes trial of the war is starting in kyiv. it is the first in the long list of leading proceedings against russian soldiers. first up was a 21-year-old russian soldier accused of shooting a 62-year-old civilian who was riding his bicycle and chatting on the phone near his home in eastern ukraine. the russian military has suffered another blow against the ukrainians. ukraine's military says that it destroyed a russian crossing and a series of pontoon bridges in a northeastern part of the country. ukrainian officials say that russian troops are trying to cross the bridges into ukrainian territory when the bridges were decimated. mclaughlin is in the southern
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area of kyiv. we are getting news that a u.s. delegation, lawmakers, senators, have made appearances in kyiv. >> yeah, that is right, ali. we heard from president zelenskyy make it on telegram that mitch mcconnell, the senate minority meat leader is leading a delegation of u.s. senators to the capitol. this follows the visit weeks ago of house speaker nancy pelosi pillow ski. it points to it being indicative of a bipartisan show of support for ukraine from the united states. it says that these are very important by kyiv. meanwhile, the war rages on with losses on both sides. the report we are about to see is very disturbing. >> as the bodies of russians shoulders are --
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russia is now suffering with the uk says is significant losses in the east. this is after ukraine blew up the attempted to cross the key river. for the first time since the war began, the u.s. secretary of defense called his counterpart at the kremlin. during the hour-long coral, he urged an immediate cease-fire in ukraine and emphasize the importance of maintaining lines of communication. this is according to a readout. it is as ukrainians take a potential step towards justice. on friday, the first russian soldier is suspected of war crimes, it turned up in a courtroom of kyiv. he is accused of gunning down a 62 year old civilian outside of sumy. the russian sergeant has yet to or enter the plea. more than 11,000 war crimes are being investigated by the prosecutor general. this includes all awful killings, torture, and kidnappings. 16 year old vlad is believed to have been kidnapped at a russian checkpoint while it's
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keeping the city of multiple. the father says that his boy dreams of being a veterinarian. vlad stayed behind when the rest of the family evacuated, he says, so he could care for his dying grandfather. he says that a ukrainian soldier who was held in the same camp of as his son, testified to the conditions after he was released. the soldier, he says, was beaten and raped. >> are you worried this has happened to your son? >> i do not even want to think about it, he says. i am just thinking about how to get him out. after vlad is free, i will go into my emotions. the kremlin has extended wnba, britney griner's, detention for a month. this is after she was detained for carrying oil derived from cannabis. the father of the 16 year old boy who is allegedly being kidnapped by russian soldiers says that because he is a
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high-profile ukrainian figure, russian soldiers are asking him to exchange a ukrainian civilian from the region that he oversees in exchange for his son. he says it is something that he absolutely will not and cannot do. he appealed to the ukrainian government for help. he got no response so far. now, he appeals to the international community for any assistance, any pressure that could take and put on the kremlin to release the 16 year old boy, ali. >> erin, thank you for that strong and hard to watch report. erin mclaughlin is live from ukraine. do you want to go back and live in 1931? women in michigan may be subject to a law that has been in the books since then, prohibiting abortion under any circumstances. what clinics are prepared to do to stay in 2022. this is next. tay in 2022. tay in 2022. this i -seriously? -denied.
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it is one of the many states where roe v. wade would have immediate consequences. there is a law on the books since 1931 that prohibits getting an abortion under any circumstances. the law, by the way, still stands. roe v. wade made the law unenforceable which is why there's more than two dozen clinics statewide that provide abortions in michigan right now. when this gets knocked down, as signaled by the draft opinion by the supreme court, it opens up the door for prosecutors to enforce the archaic law the minute that the high court officially administers the opinion. more than half a dozen michigan prosecutors have come forward and publicly declared that they will not prosecute abortion cases if and when this happens. kim worthy, the prosecutor in wayne county, the largest county in michigan, is where detroit's, and she is among them. she says it rose struck down, she will not prosecute anyone for providing or for obtaining abortion care within her jurisdiction. this essentially means, wayne county will become a safe haven
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within michigan for abortion care. there is one important asterisks here. i spoke with him where the last week and asked her, what would happen if a republican attorney general was elected statewide and had a different view on abortion rights. listen to what you told me. >> the attorney general in your state is up for reelection this year. tell me what happens if her opponent who was campaigning on this, and is strongly antiabortion, decides he will prosecute those who have abortions. how does the states position work in wayne county. you get an abortion in wayne county it is your jurisdiction about the state county might not be on your side. >> the candidate that the republicans chose said he would enforce that. again, i cannot imagine anyone coming into this county and doing something like this. it is possible. they have jurisdictions across the entire state. again, it makes it even more of
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an upsurge call in this citizens of michigan. it is up to us to get out there and not face this possibility and make sure that dan russell is reelected. >> joining me is michigan attorney general. thank you for being with us. on one hand, i listen to what kim worthy said and thought to myself, people who want abortions in wayne county will be able to get them. then i was worried about what she said in the end that, once again, a basic liberty in this country is dependent on one person getting elected and the other night. >> it is in my state, absolutely, the attorney general has very broad criminal prosecution authority. all 83 counties within the state of michigan are in the four mute of prosecution by my department. i pledge not to prosecute women and their doctors for something that has been a fundamental
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right in our nation for nearly 50 years. i think it will place the lives of women across our state of reproductive age into jeopardy. my opponent has said, the direct opposite of that. he believes that life begins at conception. anything from that point on, abortions will not be permitted. even though we do have the caveat that to save the life of the woman, and borscht would be permissible, my opponent has said that he is not believe there are any circumstances under which an abortion would be required to save a woman's life. obviously, he has not spoken to medical professionals. this is his opinion. >> let me ask you about how this plays out in terms of the handful of local prosecutors who said they will not prosecute these within their directions. you will not prosecute them at
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the state level, they will not prosecute them in their jurisdictions so for the moment people are safe even if roe falls. what happens if it is the other way around. what happens to kim worthy or people in wayne county if your opponent wins and says he will prosecute? how does this actually look? >> but i imagine he would do is he would use the authority of the attorney attorney general. we have an entire division that is dedicated to licensing related issues. there is another that is focused on health care fraud. there are a number of different avenues which the resources of the attorney generals office can be utilized to investigate these cases, to try to ensure that doctors who perform abortions are stripped of licenses. they will lose insurance, which i cannot see you doctor walked through to practice without malpractice insurance. these doctors and all of their
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staff will be subjected to this felony offense. we have broad aiding and abetting laws in our state. anyone who participated in any way, even the scheduler, who schedules a woman to come in for one of these procedures, she too can be prosecuted. she is just as liable as the principal actor, who would be the doctor. you're talking about on incredibly chilling effect. if i am on successful in november, and if my opponent becomes the attorney general, i don't think it'll have any abortions performed in the state even in syria circumstances when a woman's life is in jeopardy. no one wants to be charged with a criminal offense, go to trial, and then prove present a affirmative defends to show that it was necessary to save the woman's life. we will not have abortions in our state. many women will become ill,
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many women will die, because oftentimes these procedures are necessary for medical purposes. it is a dangerous set of circumstances for women in this >> state. a little déjà vu, hear you and i have been talking for almost a year and a half about the larger threats of democracy, particularly as it relates to voting rights in your state. one of the things you and i both have been hoping is that people put their partisan politics aside and choose democracy. not sure that's going to work. do you think this topic will motivate more people to put their partisanship aside, and say hold up, we will go to a 1931 law with no exceptions for abortion if roe falls. maybe a need to think about democracy above what i normally identify as as a democratic republic. >> i think this issue is resonating. i did not understand how maintaining a democracy was not enough of a motivating factor for people to get, engaged get
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involved, and make sure they're coming out to vote in the fall. with all the disinformation out, there there's a lot of people that are uncertain about voting in our state. this issue has made things crystal clear. you are democrats like myself that believe that abortion is a decision that is left between a woman and her physician, a woman and her family, politicians do not belong in the doctor's office, nor do they belong in the bedroom. and they have an originals like my opponent who firmly believe that women who have abortions irrespective of the reasons for doing so ought to be prosecuted as well as the doctors and medical staff. it's very crystal clear, there's no nuance here, i think women understand what this means for them to lose this fundamental right they have had for their entire lives. >> dana nessel, the attorney
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general of michigan, we appreciate your time. moments, ago i was telling you about a senate delegation that arrived in kyiv, we have video of that. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy posted this video on telegram showing republican senators led by mitch mcconnell also there. susan collins of maine, john barrasso of wyoming, and john cornyn of texas. on telegram, he called it a powerful symbol of the two party support of ukraine by the united states congress as well as the american people. a few weeks, ago margaret atwood, the author and creator of the fictional dystopian land joined the book club. i remarked that sometimes life imitates, arts and days later, the nation found out that the supreme court was set to deal away with abortion rights. i invented -- the supreme court is making a real. urt is making real
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book or seen the tv show, we've all gone accustomed to see political protesters dressed up like handmaids. the women lined up in the red down and white bonnet. they are symbols of a loss of female autonomy, and the worst-case scenario, a theocratic state.
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most of us thought of handmade's tail is, that a symbol, but now hand meets much -- might be much closer to an actual reality then margaret atwood thought but writing the book in the 1980s. she penned an op-ed saying i invented gilead, the supreme court is making it real. she says it ought to be simple, if you believe in insulin tack inception, you should not get an abortion because to do so is a sin within your religion, and if you do not believe so, you should not, under the constitution, be bound by the religious beliefs of others. if you missed, it i spoke with margaret atwood two weeks ago, but there's much more to see. my extended conversation with margaret atwood is now streaming exclusively on peacock. we get into this in a lot more. i'm joined now by my colleague, tiffany cross. tiffany, had he had a chance to read this op-ed, it's pretty moving. >> it's moving indeed. i am going to check out more on
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peacock. i have to tell you though, margaret atwood references -- , which sterilized women. i have to, say as black women in this country, we are all too familiar with that. i don't know if you remember the infamous incident with -- who was sterilized against her real and it was so calm and a practice in mississippi that it was known as a mississippi up and back to me. reading this op-ed it was a warning call for margaret atwood but it was all too familiar to the black women across the country. we are seeing our rights are rooted. it's certainly crazy, but not unpredictable. and i am just so excited about seeing your discussion with her. it's very timely you're always such a smart intellectually curious interviewer. i'll definitely be tuning in with that. i will be following in your
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a book club members will remember mouse, the pulitzer prize graphic novel about the holocaust, both because of the shockingly widespread calls of the band across the u.s. and because it spurred a book club. today, we go back to the beginning, all to the old truth subject matter, despite its deniers, the holocaust. we feature a different graphic novel but from the same topic and written for children. it is white bird by r. j. palacio. it is part of the wonder children's book series. wonder falls on guy, a ten year old boy born with a genetic deformation. during his mainstream school, he notices bullying and kindness. i won't give too much away from that. white bird is the latest book that centers around one of obvious bullies, julian, and
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his grandmother. it picks up after julian's expelled and it is working on a class project at his new school interviewing someone he knows and sharing the story. julian's, grandmother, sara, was a young jewish girl in the free part of france. the part that was not occupied by the nazis themselves. it was not free it was administered by pro nazi french government in world war ii. she had a happy childhood with loving parents. she was able to maintain the illusion of normalcy, and quote, despite the increase of nazi propaganda and her own experience with antisemitism at school. there is a particularly heart-wrenching moment when sarah asks her father, why do they hate us? he responds that it is not all people who hate them, quote, i try not to think in terms of a good and bad, i think of light and dark. i prefer that all people have a light that shines inside of them. this light allows us to see into other peoples hearts, to see the beauty that is there, the love, the sadness, the
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humanity. some people have lost this light. they have darkness inside of them. that is all they see and others, darkness, no beauty, no love. why do they hate us? they cannot see our light nor can they extinguish it as long as we shine our light, we will win. when nazi armies stormed the zone libra, one of his classmates, hard her in the barn. after falling ill with polio, he faced bullying and worse, indifference from sara. he begins not only her savior but her best friend and the namesake for her future grandchild. white bird has beautiful striking imagery done by the author, r. j. palacio. it is beloved and slated to debut as a feature film in the phil fall. this is the velshi banned book club such a come as no surprise, white bird did his face calls for removal, this time from a
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parent in houston, texas. skewing young child's minds that are political and not true. this is a copy of the form that the parent used to apply for the ban at the independent school district. ultimately, it did not end up banned. it is irrelevant. the most insidious part of the intended removal is lying in the justification. they labeled the book not true. of course it's not true, it's a work of fiction, it is historical fiction. it is marketed, labeled, and organized in the library that way. the most got rushing parts of the book are true. young jewish children did rely on the kindness of strange to survive. they did shooters out -- to call why burden truth is to categorize, or cat or go categorically delegitimized, work of fiction that surrounds the holocaust for any other
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major events. facts, figures, and causality, make up half of the historical picture and the other part is understanding behind every one of those facts, dates in the textbook, is a human life as rich and nuance does your own. resetting the death toll is not enough. that will not allow you to understand what it was like to go through the holocaust. most of us will never know that. we cannot say never again if we don't have these try to understand. moreover, white bird imports important lessons for children outside of its historical value. strength and kindness, the power of redemption, forgiveness, resiliency. one member of the book club, sharon harris, a former english teacher, emailed us defending white bird as required reading. she started with a line from the book. it does not matter how they used to be, it only matters how you are now. adding quote, the novel conveys that we all make mistakes, but we can learn and grow and become better people. no book with that lesson should
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be banned from a young person's eyes. and a quote. after the break, we are joined by r. j. palacio author and illustrator of white bird as well as the best selling wonder. as as well as and i heard about the research behind it. taking prevagen, i have noticed that i can think clearly. wonder my memory is better. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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it is a beautiful book. you illustrated it as well as written it. welcome. thank you for being with us this morning. i'm thrilled to be here this morning. i mentioned at the beginning mouse, another graphic novel about the holocaust that faces bet bands, what is it about books about the holocaust that are targeted? >> i don't know. you cannot ban history. these books are steeped in history. as you said before, the idea is to build empathy and tell stories that can also teach children about events in history that they might not know otherwise. that is what i saw to do by white bird. i was inspired by mouse that i read years and years ago. i do not know what's is compelling people to ban books of any kind, much less books that are based in historical facts. they are things that are
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undeniable or should be. >> let's talk about things that people, specifically in the holocaust, that a child or adult might not know. mike azar is a term that comes up in the book. how do you bridge the gap between writing something that is appropriate for children and allowing them to come away with something that they decide to share with their parents? >> it is a delicate balance. i know that i was waiting for mills schoolers, for, the fifth, sixth graders. i take my responsibility as a chilly child author very seriously. i do not want to betray this trust that parents have in my ability to convey information. it is difficult for white for young people. i chose sarah bloom, she is a young girl who lives a normal life in france. little by little she finds that
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she is becoming an other within her country. she becomes ostracized. she is suddenly not allowed to do things that she used to be able to do. my hope is that readers can empathize with that and follow her journey from being on a list of things that are banned in her country to having to flee from nazis. her mother gets taken to a concentration camp. this is based in a struggle fiction the makassar were part of the french resistance. these are part of the soldiers that were for or against the nazis in france. >> i want talk about the end. her story concludes and then we go back to modern america where it is beginning. we go to an immigration story that was very covered in velshi
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with the separation of parents at the border. she goes quote, how is this happening? have we not learned anything? this feels like a call to arms. talk about this and this idea in the book that we are so doing things that were seemingly wrong in the past. >> the current events that are playing out in these countries that inspired me to turn to these -- is the epigraph of my book. if we do not remember the past we are condemned to relive it. this might be the appropriate time to draw a parallel between what happened then and things that are happening now in our own country in this day and age. i just thought that this is truly why i wanted to turn my hand to the subject matter at this moment. i thought it was very topical, unfortunately, a topical time. it is a topical news event that is playing out again.
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concentration camps are the end of a genocide. we start with the ostracization, the polarization of people, us versus them. that is the beginning steps of an atrocity that we end up with. i just wanted to show in a book, in the story, that was for children, how we can go from step a through steps e. it is the silence of people that lets it happen. >> we have a minute left. there is another piece of other that you tackle. it is bullying. it is a common seem in white bird and wonder. you can if you have not read wonder, we see sarah's grandson, julian, bully audi in the first pages of wonder in white bird. then we see that they target julian for limp and a crunch. sara is not a bully but a
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bystander. why do you want this to be in the book about the holocaust. >> a figure is important that kids be able to understand that one mistake never defines them. one mistake just means that he made a mistake. again, with the overarching theme of the book, we have to learn from our mistakes. humanity has to learn from its mistakes. the only way to do that is to face up to them, to face up to them and acknowledge them and move on. again, in the earlier segment, it is the same thing. we have to be able to face the pass to not relive it and move forward. >> we have learned so much from you this morning, which we had another hour to discuss this. thank you for running the. buck thank you for your, serious and thank you for your time this morning. rj palacios, thank you so much. our pleasure. the book is a beautiful and easy to read book. and we have a very special addition of the book club,
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