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welcome, everybody, you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." i'm yasmin vossoughian here in buffalo. a city still reeling from the senseless killings of ten people at a local supermarket over the weekend. authorities say the 18-year-old alleged shooting suspect was motivated by racism. >> we, as the people, as a community, we say love. we love one another. i don't care how many times we fight and argue, we still love one another. you don't see us coming to y'all communities killing people. shooting your daughters and your mother and aunts and uncles, no. >> i really am wishing for change, we literally had probably one of the -- probably the worst shooting in buffalo in the history of buffalo. >> reporter: investigators saying the 18-year-old suspect traveled hundreds of miles from his home in southern new york. entering the supermarket armed
with an ar-15 tactical gear, body armor, opening live streaming the massacre for two minutes straight. the suspect allegedly posting a 180-page manifesto online just days before the shooting. that included white supremacist ideology. right now, president biden is speaking at a medal of valor ceremony. the president traveling with the first lady tomorrow to pay their respects. after these comments over the weekend. >> a long gun man, armed with weapons of war and hate-filled soul shot and killed ten innocent people in cold blood. we must all work together to address the hate that remains a stain on the soul of america. hearts are heavy once again, but a resolve must never waiver. >> reporter: and we have a lot more going on across the country, following the latest developments in orange county, california, where one person is
dead. and five more people are injured after another mass shooting. this one at a meeting of asian churchgoers. a 68-year-old male, las vegas resident, has been taken into custody and facing felony murder charges there. the latest headlines ahead of high stakes primaries with democratic front-runner john fetterman recovering from a stroke on friday. and surging candidate, kathy barnette, making big political waves in they are primary and trump-endorsed dr. oz. we want to begin here in buffalo, with nbc correspondent tom winter. this investigation has been changing more as we learn more about the history of the shooter and what took place in the hours leading up to that awful crime here at the supermarket behind me. talk to me about what local and state officials are saying? >> will awaiting what might help federally, with respect to whether or not a hates crime or
civil rights charge that could be brought to bear here. we know the fbi is involved in this investigation. okay just, law enforcement authorities in the state of new york, both the new york state police, as well as police in buffalo, which apparently had a one-minute response time to this incident which is obviously quite quick. or heavily involved in this investigation. we have a person charged here. we're also trying to understand his prior history. one of the things we've been looking into is new york state's red flag law. it's something called an erpo. it's essentially, somebody who's got an extreme kind of a protective order that comes into play. and this is not something that just law enforcement generates, school officials, school administrators can ask for this. family members can ask for this. and it's when somebody has identified a threat, that somebody is making either to themselves, or to others, their exists a mechanism that they can go to the courts and either have their firearms or weapons taken away. and then that person will appear before the court and argue why
should not be the case. or a judge can determine that will be the case. there's a temporary portion of this, that is only for a very limited amount of time. and there is kind of a longer order of protection that can be put into place. it is not permanent, no matter what. i've just got numbers from new york state courts spokesmen from approximately two years, august 2019, to may of -- actually today, the numbers through today, 1,464 erpos have been filed in the state of new york. so that august date is when this loll went in effect, until today, 1,664 total red flag-type violence have been made. 589 were more of the long-term variety. 875 were of the temporary variety. and in the county where this individual was from, in totality, i'm just pulling the data up here. in totality, there were 24, 11
of the longer term and 13 of those temporary ones. so, we're trying to understand whether or not one of these orders was put into place for this particular individual. though there are some holes in it. because one of the weapons that apparently he had, although not the weapon he used, was purchased on the secondary market. and as we know, most of those don't involve some sort of a background check. >> tom winter, we thank you. i'm going to try to clear some of them that up with the police commissioner that i'm going to speak to in just a moment. tom, thank you for joining us, appreciate it. yesterday, i spoke with julie harwell, an eye the tons this massacre who spent the frantic moments after that gunfire, searching for her 8-year-old daughter london. >> the first thing i was thinking about was london. london was my first priority in finding her. i didn't care if i had to go
back. >> you were looking for your daughter? did he get close to you? >> yeah, because a lady lunged at him she end under getting shot in my place. i feel bad for her and her family, because this is real. this can happen. i saw dead bodies, i saw someone get their head blown off. i saw him go back and make sure everyone was dead. he went back, if somebody moved a muscle like that he already shot, he shot them again. like it was the most gruesome thing i ever saw in my life. >> do you think if that lady wouldn't have lunged at him he would have shot you? >> i would have been dead. i was the last one that he was targeting before he got up. then he got arrested after that. i think that lady, your family, i hope you guys know i appreciate that, it's another life lost.
>> an incredibly emotional moment for that woman who is still dealing with the emotions of the aftermath of that awful shooting. joining me the police commissioner, the buffalo police commissioner. you heard that there? >> i did, it's chilling. >> and her 8-year-old daughter was in the supermarket with her father as well. how do you recover from something like this? >> you have to come together, heal together. there's a lot of grieving that goes on. won't be afraid to talk to somebody, counselors, it's going to take time to understand this. the same with the police officers who came here and crime unit and everyone else who continues to process the scene. this is a close-knit community. it's culturally diverse
community. we're going to heal together, but it's going to take some time. >> you say you're going to heal together. there are folks i spoke to yesterday, commissioner, that have distrust of the police department here? feel this is a community that's been left behind that does not matter. how do you bridge that gap? how do you give them the ability to trust you, when having the history that they have in this black community? >> we have to work very hard every day. we do that, we have a very robust community policing program. we have a team called the neighborhood engagement team. they're out there every day doing nothing but community events. they're not out there looking to arrest anybody. they wear a different uniform. they do sporting events, they do tutoring at times. we have community police officers, we stress to every single police officer, you're a community police officer first, engage with the community. so, we're going to work every day. >> let's talk about the shooter here. you had a one-minute response
time from when the shooting began until when you entered the building. is that accurate? >> that is accurate, yes. >> he was able to purchase two firearms, one was purchased on the secondary market? >> i got in touch with atf, they traced back the weapons. what i have been today, they're legally purchased the guns themselves. i'm not going to speak to that part. that's part of the federal investigation, but the weapons were purchased. >> what do you think of he had a history of mental health. he was flagged back in 2021, because of mental health issues, being investigated for that. yet, he was able to legally purchase a firearm. there was nothing on his record that when he went to purchase that firearm. >> the information that was conveyed a good 300 miles away from buffalo, the information conveyed, a non-specific threat that was made.
it was not specific to any one person, one group or building. it was a generalized statement. the new york state police responded to that complaint that came from the schools. they interviewed the individual. and they ultimately determined they were going to bring him in for a mental health evaluation under new york state law. that occurred. at that point, you're turned over to the doctors. the doctors do an evaluation. based on their findings, they can either commit you or release you. i was made aware of the information it was about a day and a half when the individual was released. >> you have information now that leads you to believe he had plans to go elsewhere, had he made it out of tops and was able to go? is that accurate? >> yeah, that's accurate. the information we obtained he had further plans. he came to our community from over 200 miles away to cause destruction to this community. to this close-knit community, as much as he possibly could.
if it weren't for the actions of aaron salter, our deceased detective who valently put up the fight. i saw the video just a while ago, the fight he put up. he's a true hero. and the police officers who responded in less than a minute to stop that. there were a significant number of customers in the store that individual could have retreated back and continue doing what he was doing. >> is there evidence that the shooter was here before to carry it out? >> we have him the day before. >> the day before, surveillance footage or interviews? >> surveillance footage, interviews and license plate reader technology. i can't stress enough, the investments in technology, that without cameras, without license plate readers and other forms of technology, you know -- that makes our jobs a lot better on the investigative end. >> how do you stop something like this happening not just the gun issue, but a race issue, he
calls himself a racist on the 180-page manifesto he posted online. >> how do you stop hate? this man had hate in his mind and heart and soul. i don't know you stop that. is it someone is festering within themselves and they plan something within themselves and they go and carry it out -- i watched the video. it was fast. no hesitation. came in and did what he did. i don't know how you stop someone from feeling that way. it's a shame. >> police commissioner gramaglia, thank you so much. appreciate your time today. >> thank you. all right. we have a lot more ahead, everybody. i want to turn back to washington as well, nbc's josh lederman will look ahead to the president's visit here tomorrow. josh, talk about the president visiting here tomorrow, along with the first lady. this announcement came through yesterday evening. what can we expect? >> reporter: we actually just heard from president biden while
we were coming on the air. he was holding a medal of valor ceremony that pays tribute to america's safety officers, police officers, as well as firefighters and emergency response personnel. and president biden drew a direct connection between their experiences of loss of facing threat in the line of duty, and that of the police officers and others who responded to this shooting in buffalo, particularly that former retired officer who lost his life, as he, the security guard, tried unsuccessfully to stop the shooter in that grocery store. let's listen to what president biden had to say. >> and that includes paying tribute to the buffalo police officer aaron salter -- slater, excuse me, who gave his life trying to save others when the government shot and killed ten innocent people in a grocery store in buffalo on saturday. he was actually able to shoot the assailant twice, but he had on a bulletproof vest.
and he lost his life in the process. yasmin, president biden will be squeezing in this visit tomorrow, before buffalo, before he heads to asia later in the week. president biden going there to mourn with the community, according to the white house. we expect that more than focusing on gun control and those kinds of policies, we may hear more specifically from the president about this issue of hate. something that he's focused on since that charleston shooting which he decides to run for presidency. the president in his comments at the capitol said we just work together to address the hate that remains a stain on the soul of america. that's similar to the message we expect to hear from president biden when he visits buffalo tomorrow. >> as you mentioned, josh, saying this is a stain on the soul of america, citing charlottesville, and the community expecting a visit from
the president tomorrow and looking forward to what he has to say. and lend, of course, his words to the mourning that's happening in this community that is very much suffering. josh lederman, thank you. up next, everybody, identifying hate, can we pinpoint potential mass shooters at home, the same way we rule out terrorists radicalized overseas? this is a special edition of "andrea mitchell reports" live from buffalo, new york, only here on msnbc. we'll be right back. back. that's right, robert. and it's never too early to learn you could save with america's number one motorcycle insurer. that's right, jamie. but it's not just about savings. it's about the friends we make along the way. you said it, flo. and don't forget to floss before you brush. your gums will thank you. -that's right, dr. gary. -jamie? sorry, i had another thought so i got back in line. what was it? [ sighs ] i can't remember.
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the deadly shooting here in buffalo is coming on the heels of an fbi report showing more than 7,000 hate crimes in 2020, the most in 12 years. asian-run businesses were targeted just last week in dallas, last year in atlanta, latinos were gunned down in el paso in 2019. jews in a synagogue in pittsburgh, the year prior. and a white supremacist gunned down churchgoers back in charlottesville. why is this happening? joining me, earlsummingers director. and donell harper, d.c.'s chief that led the forensics at sandy
hook. welcome, gentlemen. what do we know about the attackers that make them susceptible to being indoctrinated. at times we have profiled young men radicalized, overseas, for instance, as being disenfranchised as being jobless, looking for direction, belonging, hence, the reason they look to groups like al qaeda and isis or that belonging. is it time we put the same profile to these people that have been indoctrinated and radicalized here in the united states? >> well, thank you for having me, yasmin. yes it is time. it's past time. the challenge that america has is one of denial, also the challenge of the fact that they have to understand that hate crimes and domestic terrorism are not mutually exclusive. so, what we've seen is over time, that these individuals have some of the same characteristics, but, understand, there is no profile
for terrorists and there is no profile for people who commit hate crimes. the one thing we should recognize, last year's strategy for combatting domestic terrorism, racially motivated extremely, principally those who support the superior white race and militias are susceptible to the most lethal threat. those are people that need to be on our radar. >> so, do we call them terrorists? is that what do going forward, errol, yesterday when i spoke to the governor, she called the attacker, a white supremacist terrorist. do we now use that verbiage that we use overseas to these attacks, to these killers? >> it's absolutely time to use the same verbverbiage. they check all the boxes, yasmin. you've got that threat, use of violence. carrying out extreme ideological
motivation and attacking civilians. those are the three elements you need for a terrorist. in most cases you've got three different types, if you will, extremist ideology, based on race, based on religion, based on issue orientations, this individual engaged racial extremist ideologies and certainly checks all the boxes for domestic terrorist. >> david henderson, i can't believe i'm even talking about this on national tv. and that is the great replacement theory that was referenced in this 180-page manifesto on thursday. that is what he was saying inspired his actions. and it is creeping, as we well know, into the mainstream. we have seen it on fox news, talked about fox news host tucker carlson. there's anti-immigrant sentiment as well. what is motivating people now towards this great replacement theory? and motivating them to then subsequently kill, to carry out
these attacks? >> yasmin, i will say it this way, bigots are not connoisseurs. they don't have sophisticated thoughts about bigotry, what's motivating them is hatred, plain and simple. part of what this case shows it's so horrific and as bad as it is, it only gets worse hearing members of the community talk about it. from the perspective of a former prosecutor, it's not a difficult case to prove but what is difficult here is inconsistent message from law enforcement when it comes to managing crime. this goes to your question, we frequently here about punishment being deterrence. and prosecutions sending messages to communities what crimes we will and will not tolerate, certainly with hate crimes we don't hear that from law enforcement. suddenly we hear arguments that laws don't change hearts and minds. that is not the function of the law. the function of the law is to demonstrate if we live in a
country where we value freedom and justice for all. when people are targeted because of their color of their skin something will be done about it and there will be a strong notable response, which this case demands. >> it's interesting that we talk about this david. i just asked the police commissioner that very question which is how do you root out racism, so that attacks like this don't happen again. and he didn't have an answer. he said i don't know how you take hate out of the hearts of people. but it's from the systems on down, right? it's acknowledging that it even exists in the first place? >> that's right, yasmin. here's the problem i have with that, i'm not necessarily advocating for every methodology that the police pursue in this country, but if we were ask that question about violent crime, or if we were to ask that question about burglaries, the response from law enforcement would be we're going to let people who commit these crimes know how seriously we take them by making arrests and by prosecuting. that's the same response we should hear when we get asked
questions about hate crimes. it should be we're going to make sure we send the message we will not tolerate these offenses. hate crimes are relatively new. it took a very long to get hate crimes logged on the books. what you typically hear from per prosecutors, they're too difficult to improve and to prove a hate crime when this person murdered innocent people and will face prison time without parole. but it raises questions about whether or not to receive the death penalty and other methods. >> how do we have better online monitoring? i ask this, obviously, this guy was indoctrinated, it seemed, radicalized online. this is somewhat new. being radicalized, it started two decades with people being radicalized online in support of isis. if you still want to find that manifesto online, you can find it. and it's not in a dark place. that's massacre was broadcast on
twitch for two straight minutes before it was shut down. how do we better monitor this hateful rhetoric and indoctrination online. >> well, that's the problem. the problem is that you can't police people's thoughts. and me and my intelligence analyst, back when i was in d.c. in charge of intelligence, we would look at these sites on a daily basis. and some of these things you see on dark webs and encrypted sites is just horrific. i will tell you that the story that really is not being reported is that he started surfing these sites when he was 16 years old. this isn't some 30 or 40-year-old disgruntled individual who has had a lifetime of hardship who wants to motivate and mobilize to violence. this is a 16-year-old who started seeking out hateful rhetoric, memes online. and found a home for that. and really mobilized the violence in a short period of time, two years. and so, they're out there.
it's very difficult to monitor those. it's a violation, in some parts of first amendment protections to do so. and i will let you know that these chat rooms and hate groups are going to continue to crank out violent extremists, so long as they're able to continue to do so and there's no content moderation. >> so, am i hearing from you, there's nothing we can do, nothing that can be done? >> well, you know, i said this before and i'll say it again, behind everything that kills us is somebody is profiting off of it. quite frankly, you can join a radical hate group a few years ago on twitter or facebook before they decided to do content moderation, as long as it's making money and getting click there's no incentive. there needs to be corrective and legislative action. those rooms are still operating.
you can still see and download the video. it's out there. >> conversation going back after legislation in washington a place in that this community has told me outright they do not believe anything will be done to change things for them errol southers, david henderson, darnell harvin, thank you. we have much more from buffalo. first, decision 2022. a medical scare in a surging candidate's connection. two ahead of pennsylvania's primary. this is a special edition of "andrea mitchell reports" live from buffalo, new york, only here on msnbc. we'll be right back. n msnbc. we'll be right back. that sets strict quality and purity standards. nature made. the number one pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand.
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will not attend his primary night party. in the ultra republican candidate for senate, you eyes on kathy barnette after donald trump pick dr. mehmet oz and dr. oz spoke with nbc's dasha burns, let's take a listen. >> the president was very clear that kathy barnette is a risky proposition. we don't know much about here. >> would you support her if she did win the primary? >> yes. >> joining us now, former republican national committee share michael steele and victoria defrancesco desoto as well, dean of the public school in arkansas. welcome to you both. michael, let me start, former president trump has endorsed dr. oz, if he in fact gets beat by kathy barnette. what does -- by the way, how do you see the images of barnett,
emerging on january 6, playing on this general election, if in fact she pulls through tomorrow? >> yeah, that's one of the big concerns, not just the trump side of the party, but the mitch mcconnell side of the party is concerned about, look, you're seeing, you know, a narrative emerge, going into the fall that once had republicans sort of narrowly taking the house. but with the real possibility of taking the senate. and now these candidates are beginning to emerge in primaries in some cases, in many cases, winning those primaries that now call into question the opportunity to take the seats in a general election. that's the reality of a barnette candidacy in the general election, the same as it is for dr. oz. don't think you go, you know, from bad to worse. it's saul the same mix in a general election between oz and barnette, her surge has a lot to do with the video she did on her position of abortion. abortion is going to be a real
clear question in the upcoming election. so, all of these factors are going to play into this race. and for trump, this is a win-win for him either way. if oz loses to her, he will likely, you know, find a way to sort of, you know, cobble together some support for her. but at the end of the day, we're still talking about trump. and keep in mind, whether he's endorsed these candidates or not, they still want to be in his face. they want his endorsement. for trump, that's always a win. >> yeah. they still want his endorsement. and trump has said, i'm not sure if he said this because we have spotty connections here, trump has said, i haven't endorsed barnette because she can't win in the primary. the democratic race, victoria, if in fact she pulls through can she hold up against a democratic
candidate like, for instance, fetterman? >> it's going to be different just in terms of her ideology, her being one of the more conservative candidates. in primaries we see them try to win in the extreme and try to walk it back in the general election. but that will be harder to do. an top of that because of the leak from the supreme court we know that abortion and choice is going to be a major issue in this election. and kathy barnette has been clear where he stands. does that put off some of those more moderate voters, independent voters, you know, independent voters do support overwhelmingly the right to choose. and i think that's also going to mobilize some democrats to turn out and vote against her. i think she's especially problematic, when we're looking at november. >> it's problematic. it's also incredibly complicated, michael steele, to watch. i say this you've got doug
mastriano endorsed by the former president, running for governor, campaigning alongside kathy barnette, against mehmet oz. how does that play into the calculus of this whole thing? it doesn't make sense. >> well, it does, actually, it makes a lot of sense. you have mastriano moving to the candidate that they think they can get a little juice from, you know, a little extra love from their voters. kathy has been surging. so the idea you want those candidates to look as favorably upon you as they do kathy. so, you know, that's just the nature of the politics of it. you know, it makes for strange bedfellows every time, even in primaries. >> michael, i want to move back to the events here in buffalo, while i have you. representative liz cheney said house leaders have, quote,
enabled white nationalism and white supremacy and anti-semitism. history has taught us what begins with words sends in far worse. i'll tell you, this is echoed in the community michael. as i spoke with community members here yesterday, i asked them if they had trust in washington, in lawmakers to get this done. they said what happened here on saturday is not just the result of 400 years of racism. it's the result of the words being used in washington by members, specifically, as they told me, of the republican party, of the gop. what do you make of that? >> liz has nailed it. as she has from the very beginning of this. i agree with her words wholeheartedly, the silence sense of this from republican leaders house and senate have been deafening. it's been disturbing. it's been unfortunate. and yet again, you know, you'll get these same folks come out
and start talking about they want the black vote. all right. so, let's talk about the white supremacy that you have to the point that you have whites stalking blacks in grocery stores? what do you say about that? the thing that's important, what liz has done i spoke earlier on "morning joe" you cannot avoid connecting the dots here. you can't whistle past them and say there is no line between the rhetoric and the behavior, the silence, that people give in the leadership. so, liz is right. >> it's fascinating to me, as i've been covering the events here in buffalo and saying this to both of you, in that as we've been covering the war overseas in ukraine and seeing the loss of life there, this community very much feels it's at war in this country. and they feel as if they are being attacked. the black community, specifically. and they feel like they don't
have the support that they need from the people that can actually protect them if they cared enough to do so. that's what they're telling me. it's a sad state of affairs right now of the events that have taken place in buffalo. michael thank you, victoria, as well. coming up, the strength to carry on, two local leaders who will use their love for the community to fight back against the hate this weekend. this is a special edition of "andrea mitchell reports," i'm yasmin vossoughian right here on msnbc. we'll be right back. msnbc. we'll be right back. here to meet those high standards is the walgreens health and wellness brand. over 2000 high quality products. rigorously tested by us. real world tested by you. and delivered to your door in as little as one hour.
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55-year-old aaron salter. 62-year-old geraldine tally. 65-year-old sell left tine cheney. hayward patterson. 72-year-old kathryn massey. 77-year-old pearl young. 86-year-old ruth whitfield. ruth was in the store after visiting her husband in a nursing home. pear described by her loved ones as a woman of faith and a pillar of this community. tops security guard aaron salter was a 30-year veteran of the buffalo police force who tried to stop that gunman, potentially saving more lives. hayward patterson, a local driver who was killed while helping a shopper load groceries into his car. joining me now new york assemblywoman crystal stokes and denise waldron brown.
thank you for joins us. assemblymember stokes, you say you knew some of the victims? >> yeah, personally. i do know those people. i do remember the jitney driver who would help people. and kathryn massey. i do know these people. this is my community. the store where i shop. >> this is where you shop. >> where i shop. >> this is your people, you know how this community is suffering, personally, you yourself are suffering. not only as a leader in this community and a pillar, but also as a member of this community. and there's a palpable anger here right now. why is that? >> how can they're not be an anger when someone who knows such hate can be displayed in our own community, we don't understand, we don't know why.
we don't know what got into this man, drove all this way, and brutally attacked and murdered people in our community. and there's still no understanding. there's a sense of deep grief, while we're coming out of a pandemic. there's a lot of reasons for people to be angry. we look at how this situation was addressed by law enforcement, versus how routine traffic stops are handled in our community. and we're just -- our mind is blown. how -- how does an individual get to do this, gets arrested and walk away? meanwhile, we're feeling like we're treats less than human in our own community. >> you spoke about your nephew, telling you the exact scenario. >> the scenario. he said, auntie, i was mortified to see him in handcuff, untouched, hair in place. i was stopped for a traffic violation, i was slammed to the ground. and this guy is treated like he
stole a loaf of bread. that does bring hurt to people because we experience the racism, and services delivered to us on a record basis. there's a lot of room for hurt here. not just for the loss of the families and what they're going through, but for the fact that racism is real. and there's still a lot of people who don't want to acknowledge that it is. services are delivered from the racial looks. >> i was speaking to the police commissioner earlier today, i asked him how do you bridge the gap? how do you tell a community that they are safe when the community does not trust you? when they see images that you just talked about, a man with firearms, led out in handcuffs. whereas, your nephew was pulled over for a routine traffic stop. his hands were put behind this back. how do you want to hear? >> i know what our community wants to know from our commissioner is, a., they are going to do something about the
misbehavior of racist officers. of course, we know who they are. we know who they are and they've been identified. why is this not handled? why are see seen as harming people in the community, instead of losing their job, they are sometimes being promoted. they're given titles, they're given pay increases. as if you worked with any other profession and had poor performance, you would lose your job. you wouldn't be able to keep your job. there's going to be more cultural and biased training in the department. if you want to work in the city of buffalo, if you want to serve the community, you need to understand what public safety looks like. how are they becoming more a part of the community, more of a trust and relationship to this community and not just patrolling. >> community building. that's something that i've heard, the ainge i'm feeling on this street is not as a result of what happened saturday, it's
the result of 400 years of racism. i mentioned this on my show yesterday. this is one grocery store in the neighborhood. this is shut down because it's a crime scene, where does everybody go? >> right. it's a city of neighbors. there are a ton of people offering opportunities to feed people. feed more western new york has opened up close on this very street. there are a number of people out there cooking. there are people down the street, people all over this community who have stepped up to provide service to people in desperate need. access to food. >> and indeed what we need to be discussing is not what's going to happen now, but why is this the only grocery store in our community? how are we going to improve access to this community from here on out. make that the norm here, right? we are going to take care of each other. we are a loving community, we see each other in many spaces. so it's not just, my assemblywoman, i know her in the community, right?
the relationship is there. and the love is there. yes, we're going to look out for each other. yes, we're pulling resources, but how are we going to make sure this it not the only point of access for nutritious food and make sure it's equitable. there's a problem with this store we're not seeing. so let's have the real conversation. >> the real conversation. i can tell the love is here in this community. thank you. and for coming out today on this gloomy day. a reflection of what's happening in sth city right now. thank you so much. appreciate it. after a break, an update from ukraine. just how badly is it going for russian forces there is. this is a special edition of "andrea mitchell reports" live from buffalo, new york, only here on msnbc. buffalo, new yory here on msnbc.
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strength. u.s. troops that traveled in and out of somalia occasionally since trump's decision to pull forces out of the country back in january of 2021. in ukraine, a new assessment from the uk saying the russian military has lost about one-third of its troops. this is happening as ukrainian forces appear to push the russians out of the second largest city kharkiv. that's where we find matt bradley. as always, it's great to talk to you today. volodymyr zelenskyy saying yesterday the moment of russian retreat is closer. how are folks feeling on the ground there today as we hear the assessment from the ukrainian president? >> reporter: i think what president seth lent i can is talking about is the paradigm shift we have seen. we have started to see unlike in kyiv where the russians abruptly withdrew after ukrainians blocked them from taking the capital, we're seeing around this city we're seeing the ukrainians fighting back and winning. that's a totally new
development. and it's one that really signals a big shift if this fight. but i have to stel you, we're asking about the move inside a subway station here in kharkiv. these are people who are still here about 12 weeks after the fighting started. around when this fighting started, this place was packed. there were probably thousands of people packed into this place trying to avoid the relentless shelling and raining down on kharkiv by the russians. but the outside has become relatively quiet. yet there's still dozens of people camped out here. these trains were filled with people and they have been just sparked here. they are stopped. i don't know if you can see sort of these friendly faces here, these people i got to tell you, we have said surely you'd be more comfortable a at home. the situation aboveground is quieter now. they tell me that they are too afraid. they are not going to risk it. these people are traumatized. as you can see, they developed
an almost parallel community down here underground. you see the numbers. this is almost an address system that shows where people have their tents. there's a school here, there's places for people to cook, for them to eat. even concerts underground in these subway stations. it's almost a new way of life and goes to show for people here, even when things get safer aboveground, the horrors that they have had to endure, they won't go home. they are too afraid. >> reporter: the ptsd, the fear, the trauma, not unlike what people are feeling here today as well. so far away from your reporting right now, matt bradley, thank you. that does it for this special edition of "andrea mitchell reports" live from buffalo, new york. andrea will be back tomorrow. garrett haake is in for chuck todd, after this. ett haake is i todd, after this okay. pull ove.
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