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thanks for joining us, i am -- reporting live from right here on msnbc, election headquarters. we are tracking the results for primary elections and five states. across the country. some calls are here now in pennsylvania. the projection when a republican for governor, is doug marciano. that's another key race where republican nominee is now, also, the january 6th rally attendee. the fire election with the u.s. capitol on the insurrection. day he will not admit a push by some less radical republican
leaders to try to stop his momentum for concerns about his viability and the general. where he faces the relatively popular pennsylvania attorney general, joshua perot. the democrat who couldn't benefit from extremist. now you have an eye on the east coast we can also tell you the state's republican senator primary rains too close to call. tv document oz is basically tied with hedge fund ceo dave mccormack, the most extreme figure from self-described super maga candidates is trailing in third. kathy barnett. many democrats also -- by the number two officials in that state. john fetterman. to feeding congressman connor lamp. that herman is not giving a traditional victory speech tonight. we won't have that for you because he is currently recovering from a stroke in the hospital. he is expected to make a full recovery. then there is a call in giant upset and lost four republican incumbent. controversial person congressman madison cawthorn, now as you may have heard, and as you see right here on your screen, officially a one term
or. losing his seat to chuck edwards. crawford has made a call to concede, the intrigue in that race has layers that we will get into in our coverage later tonight. meanwhile, just endorsed congressman ted but has won the republican nomination for senate in north carolina. who is facing off against supreme court chief justice cherry bree slur, i should say beastly excuse me, the democrat. we also have, of course we do kornacki at the big board where he's tracking the open races right now which include idaho, post closing last hour, the republican governor there faces a primary challenge from his own lieutenant. the trump and dorsey, who may move that party further to the right even in the very red state there. the race too early to call. a nail-biter at republican primary for the opens house see in pennsylvania, where the margin now is just over a miniscule 500 votes, to separate the liberal community organizers somberly and the later steve erwin. well we made a promise, and we
intend to deliver on. it right now you know it's election that in america when you have our friend and colleague steve kornacki at the big board. he's been following all of these races, and will give us the latest now. >> yeah let's start with the closest one, it has been the closest all night. pennsylvania republican senate primary, you see david mccormack with the lead here over mehmet oz. of about 26, 2687 votes. now it may take you through where the outstanding votes are because there are a couple of pieces to this right now. just moments ago, mccormack got a very good piece of news for his candy. we've been talking about the counties right outside of philadelphia, the suburban collar counties outside of philadelphia. border rich, about a quarter of all those are going to come out of them. they've been slow to report some of them have. one of the big outstanding ones is right here, is delaware county, we finally got a big batch of votes from delaware county. it was a good batch of votes for mccormick. he leads in that batch, over us. that helped push david
mccormack lead up statewide. to that number that you see right there. now, the other places here in philadelphia area where we see the biggest sounding both, was tied up montgomery county. you can see still a lot to come in montgomery county, it is barnett, it is kathy barnett's home county. it is listed on the county ballot. it's limit of a home county listed at as his own as well. interestingly, our system we received vote from where we received votes from is not necessarily plugged into the website of the county. and we were just looking at the website of the county and the website of the counties reporting out, a few more votes that we have so far recorded in our system. the upshot of is. according to the website for montgomery county. office could be to net in the next few minutes to net about 1600 votes. this writing thing isn't working well. 1600 is what i'm trying to tell you. if that does get it into the
system. what montgomery is telling on its website. the next statewide lead of about 2600 for mccormick would come down to about 1000. you see another county there just reported some votes out as well. we are getting a bits and pieces from around the state. there is an opportunity and also the home county of montgomery for him to narrow, for him to significantly narrow that gap with mccormack. and that would leave one other major piece of unsettle business in the philadelphia area. it's right here, it's bucks county, you can see a lot of votes still to come in bucks county. it's going to have a lot a lot to say of where the statewide results finally launched tonight. between mccormack and on this. it's a nail-biter between mccormick and office. the philadelphia suburbs, the biggest piece of at standing votes. you see what's going on in those places, two things to keep in mind. number one, wherever this lands tonight. the final margin is critical because pennsylvania state law is automatic recount, it's the margin is less than or equal to
half a percent. to 0.5. we can see right now, it's 0.2. it's two tenths of a coin separating these candidates. the prospect of a recount looms as a significant possibility at this point. and the other thing to keep in mind is, there are -- we've counted a few more in the last few minutes, but we're seeing now is that there are about 30,000 mail in battle ballots that haven't been counted. some counties are going to count them up at the very end tonight but there are a number of counties in pennsylvania that are not going to touch their mail-in ballots until tomorrow. so there is the prospect of a significant chunk of these 30,000 or so mail-in ballots will not be counted until tomorrow. so again, you can do the math, you can see how mccormack it all us have been within just a couple thousand votes of each other for hours now. this thing could land within a couple thousand votes either way when the night is over. we could be sitting at a pool of mail-in ballots to be open tomorrow and counties across
the state. that could decide this thing. the one thing i can tell you about the mail-in ballots is, those that have been counted so far, mccormack has been leading us by nine points among them. this is a trend that we have seen in republican primaries across the country so far this spring. office has the trump endorsement, the candidates backed by by trump, by the trump aligned groups have tended to do work with the mail-in votes, and better on the same day vote. so if there is an untapped poll of mail in both at the end of the night that could decide the election, there might be some cause for optimism for the mccormack cap on that front. that's one other thing to keep in mind here in pennsylvania. again, potential for a recount, potential for some thousands of mail in ballots to be counted for tomorrow. the last ton of votes to be counted for in the philadelphia area. tonight. >> steve, we are following pennsylvania they're listening to your breakdown, and then we just got a projection here. official projection of brad
little, winning and idaho. steve that is from our election desk, walk us through the call. >> the numbers there, let's just, maybe the easiest way just to go across the country and, one of the country. >> did you take your time. you need to travel all the way to the west coast there you get about the over there. take your time. >> there it is! >> you can narrow it down a. bit actually this is the senate race here. let's get to the governor's race. you can see brad little, this has got some attention because the mcginn, his lieutenant governor, it's a weird relationship, she would overrule the executive orders, when he left the state, particularly on covid measures, but you can see it's pretty much a thorough victory here for brad little and they come a governor. the other race and idaho, that i think is worth looking at tonight. we take a look here mike subset in the company republican, he was getting a challenge from -- mike system about 3000 who
voted for the creation of the independent january six commission. so there are some chatter that some some might find himself in trouble in this primary. but no signs of trouble so far for simpson. getting a challenge. at least two of them here. but one main challenger from brian smith on the right. these two idaho races i think folks were looking at and saying, there are some states up interest here. it looks like there was not actually going to be pretty lopsided. >> fantastic, we'll look. steve. fantastic, we'll look steve that's fascinating that is because we're getting fascinating because we're calls, we're getting getting calls, we are a break down standing at the border for us as we see keep an eye on all of this. given everything we've been hearing a lot of pennsylvania. we're gonna go back there, directly bond hinted. doctor oz headquarters the county just address that the cow crowd. bond tell us what's happening there? >> i just walked up the state's got to get some rest i think it's important to note where we're i think it's standing important to know and why we're standing where we're, standing
and why we're standing here here. we are in bucks county which is one of those very counties that steve has just gotten out. and what affluent suburbs. 45 to 50 minutes. philadelphia here. a great part of the growth chair is outstanding. this is the very area where mehmet oz a lying on having a great share of the vote here. their county right next door to us, montgomery county. which is exactly where mehmet oz helped his final campaign rally last night with hundreds of folks. it was essentially trying to galvanize support in this area. now why are we, why are these counties so important for mehmet oz beyond the obvious need to garner some votes here? >> it's important because kathy barnett became a factor on all of. this kathy barnett is not going to win the senate nomination here. at the same time, we may be talking about tomorrow and the west of the week, the way that she impacted this race here. look at montgomery county. her also her home county. right now for the results that have come, and she is leading oz in montgomery county by
about seven percentage points. several thousand votes here. but then you also look at bucks county. odd is leading here, but, she has about 24% of the share here. and i was talking just earlier here to an advisor of barnett who acknowledged to me that they felt like they were able to take quite a dance pop up on the support. sort of that soft support the odds was facing among a lot of people who were skeptical of him despite that trump endorsement. and she really ran her candidacy around this idea that she was the most maga candidates. and that maga ecstatic beyond donald trump. and i think that's why we're talking about the reshaping of this republican party in 2022. ultimately, trump is going to walk away with a lot of winds adding a lot of these loyalist to his table here. at the same time, he may find other individuals. i don't think david mccormack, a couple years ago is the same david mccormack that we will be seeing on the campaign trail here. in the months ahead. but as we watch it come down to the wire here, montgomery county, bucks county, exactly
where we are, going to be waking up tomorrow and see these results come in. >> thank you, and you mention montgomery county has one of the free to watch as well as where austin stop yesterday. and steve, i'm hearing that we have new votes, new data out of montgomery county. take it away. >> this is what we were just talking about a minute ago and the last update had a montgomery county website was showing results that hadn't yet registered in our system. that look like they were favorable results for us. barnett is actually going to win the county, this is her home county. pennsylvania ballots, they list candidates home counties on the. so if you were a montgomery county voters today, you saw that listed as a hometown candidate, and you saw was listed as a home county candidate. they ran 12 here. mccormack is listed as allegheny county, western pennsylvania. so the upshot of all of this is, we've just got a big batch of votes from the website, recorded into our system. barnett will win the county, but on this next vote on mccormack. this is a big county, a big suburban county right outside
philadelphia. and look at that. does it brings the mccormack lead statewide to 1020 votes. it is now 1004 votes we. he's got another small update. from another county. it's one tenth of 1%. separating oz from mccormack. and as was just saying. we are getting significant both from philadelphia suburban counties. it makes pucks room large. we can see we still have a lot about to come in in bucks, of at least early perhaps could be incurred by what we are seeing at a. bucks one of the other philadelphia areas here, the opportunity -- delaware actually we are close to all in delaware. so bucks looms particularly large now as an opportunity for us to further our road that mccormack lead into trying to overtake mccormack. again, there are counties all across the state where we have scattering of those coming in as well. anything significant we see will let you know. but at the biggest single one, that we are keeping an eye on right now is right there. it's bucks county.
>> all right, a real nail-biter in pennsylvania. steve tracking that. given that we are watching this, i want to bring back michael steele who's been watching all of this tonight, we go on the ground to w.h.o. i why in philadelphia. katie mayer political reporter there. thank you for joining us, what do you make of it at this hour given what we're learning and how tight it is? >> yeah, it's very tight. this is a race where both of the candidates who are now competing for these trenches about that are coming in in the suburbs don't have extremely tight ties to pennsylvania or to the areas where they live. so, yeah oz has montgomery county listed as his hometown on the ballot. but it doesn't have a history there. it is not a political history there. and that does matter in this race. where you really can't tell how the votes are gonna split in these again, really important populist suburban counties around philadelphia. same for that david mccormack. he did well around allegheny county, but again, he hasn't
been there many years. that's a factor in this. >> when you look at barnett slipping, she was sort of both boyd and perhaps complicated by the closing message that tied back to january six, and more and more scrutiny of the commons that she made attacking minorities. you have the sense at this hour of how that's playing? is she underperforming as someone would call a surge for the cell for the crime supermarket candidate? >> it was always really difficult to tell what that surge was going to be, because it was so last-minute and it was happening when she hadn't been scrutinized very much and he was constantly being buffeted by negative ads. and not just saying that she was involved in january six. the odds campaign had a pact that funded and add up, a packet supported us. an ad that said that barnett accuse her of saying that white people can be races. so the attacks are coming from a confused set of angles by republicans. who were really taken aback by her rise.
i think that the fact that it was difficult to interpret what that meant, it was borne out here where there was this dissatisfaction with oz. and with mccormack as gop candidates, as maybe sufficiently close to donald trump. at the end of the day, it was tough for her to make up that ground. >> and ask for fetterman, clinching to the democratic side, we mentioned that he was still recovering. did you get anyway a sense of where the voters had concerns about that? or they have gotten enough information that people didn't see it? excuse me,. >> you hear that anecdotally absolutely from some voters. i will, say people had already been voting for weeks before fetterman became ill. and so i think, at this point, it's difficult to think how it played in with the final vote. and how much voters are gonna care about that. and it's gonna be much more of a factor as a general and we see and recover. if we can get back on the campaign trail. how long that takes. but yeah, at this point, it was very difficult to see what kind
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msnbc election coverage, sometimes dana blade is worth it. we just got news out of those big pennsylvania senate race, i'm gonna pass it straight to steve kornacki. >> take a look at the statewide leaderboard in this republican senate primary, for the first time all night it is not david mccormack, is minute oz. the odds now 714 points, in less than one tenth of 1%, but oz leaves a statewide we said we were waiting on bucks county, just outside of philadelphia. we don't have all the votes from bucks, but i think we got a big chunk of what was left in bucks, and on is leading the way over mccormack, his margin in the counties just over 3000 votes, the votes that were added in that recent drop four bucks enough to put on as a head statewide right now.
now, where is the remaining vote? if you are watching a couple of minutes ago, there was a little confusion about one of the other color counties, one of the other philadelphia counties, and that is delaware county. delaware county does have more votes to come, so specifically more votes to be counted here. he stole some to come in bucks, got most of montgomery, most of chester. delaware, the picture kind of shifts outside of philadelphia to delaware county, we do think a significant amount of votes are left here. you can see, so far, mccormack is leading odds with the votes have been counted so far. the opportunity exists here in delaware county, four mccormick to get back when he just lost, the hit that he just took in this county. for the moments, oz has taking the lead statewide. now, delaware county, it's smaller geographically but it is big mathematically at this late hour. delaware county looms large, there is a scattering of other
precincts throughout the state that are gonna be coming in as well, if anything substantial comes in there. it wouldn't take anything that substantial to swing this back to will mccormick, keep an eye on that and let you know too. like ice keeps saying, we are not sure on the exact number, but there are uncounted mail in ballots, because there are a number of counties that preemptively announced before today that they were not going to open their mail ballots until tomorrow, until after the election. some said they do it late at the end of tonight, so the number of uncounted mail ballots has come down a little bit as a night has gone along, but there are counties that have said they are not going to touch them in till tomorrow. so, there will be a certain number of mail balance, uncounted mail-in ballots probably tomorrow. it will loom large. like we said, mccormick so far, has been leading oz by nine points on those mail ballots. so, one of the questions now? is oz able to do well in the
remaining votes in delaware, some of the remaining precincts around the state and pad this lead at all. is he going to need to pay the lead to withstand would could still be there in terms of mail-in ballots? that is one of the questions that is posed, this is a very significant development because all night we've been watching this, oz has been down 8000 points, 5000 votes, 2000 votes, 1000 votes. for the first time we've now seen mehmet oz take the lead statewide in this republican some primary? >> a major development as you say, first-time development, steve kornacki, steve is at the big board as you understand he's -- okay at any time when we get new data or new votes, but now as promised we bring you michael skilled former chairman of the republican national committee. welcome back, michael. >> hey, good to see you bro. >> good to have you. as we ask on nights like this, what is going on? what is going on, what do you see of both odds taking the lead, what are you seeing and more like the extremists like mastriano winning in
pennsylvania on the gop side? >> it's kind of a bifurcated message from the gop base. in one sense, i think you look at the mccormick race, and what his race tells me is that they did a good job of pulling out of the larger proportion of the republican base that typically stays home. you have the hard edge right that will go play in primaries, mccormick looks like he was able to mitigate against at a, bit print particularly given that he had barnette to his further right than mehmet oz, who is sitting there with trump's endorsement. to be this competitive at this stage, is incredibly good for him, and it says a lot about what he was able to do. when you look at the other race, the governor's race, you see something a little bit different, in that that's seems
to play more to the narrative of the hard right base. sort of pulling the lead up there. it's an interesting dynamic, it's going to set up a very, very dynamic fall campaign. regardless if it's mccormick or oz going into the fall with the republican nomination in their sails. >>, and in the governor's race, here is a little bit about how the republican, mastriano who did win the nomination, how he sounds. >> on day one, any mandates are gone. on day one, and a jab for job requirements are gone. on day one, crt is over. we are going to exactly do that, and follow the science, right? so that means, only biological females can play on biological female teams. on day one, you can only use
the bathroom that your biology and anatomy says. -- 1:27 gives us all hope, but we will be found strong, that's a story. and he uses people like you and me to change history. they like to call people who stand on the constitution far-right and extreme. i repudiate that. actually, their party, which the media stands for and advocates, for they have gone extreme. >> take your pick. >> well, i am picking from that box of crazy. that's gonna be the challenge, going into the fall against shapiro. how do you now take that narrative into some core areas of the state where that is going to fall flat with a lot of voters. let's be clear, with a lot of center right, center left voters who may otherwise be available to you. it is not smart politics. but, he's talking to a room
full of people who want to cheer on those narratives. it comes a very different campaign now, when you're with running statewide, and every voter matters, not the core group that has been yelling your name for six months or a year, now the entire state comes to play and it looks very dynamic. unless you are telling me that's, you know, pennsylvania, and i know pennsylvania pretty well, having spent a lot of time there. suddenly now it's going to use this culture war litmus test, as the guidepost for who they are going to support. mastriano we is setting up a pretty good campaign, not just for him, but for other republicans who are going to be running down ballot as well. and that may have some impact on how those other races play out. >> and then, while i have, you i want to turn to madison cawthorn, who is one of the most well-known freshman
members of congress but won't be anything other than a freshman member, losing tonight in a primary, incomes don't typically lose their primaries, people know that in north carolina. how do you interpret this quick rise and fall? from a very controversial far-right republican? >> a couple of things. one, i recall the tweet that he put out in may of 2021 in which he tweeted not on anna hey hey goodbye, liz cheney. well tonight, mr. cawthorn realize that political karma is a bitch, and the reality is that he is now the former congressman from his congressional district. that's one. two, it also shows you that the republican party, if they put their mind to, it if they want to, can push back on the deniers and the liars, the fakes, the wannabes, the true
republicans in name one of the party, like we -- but they don't want to. the only reason they did here, is because he struck a little bit close to their political vein, and they had to take them out. they made it very clear, early on, that that was going to be the plan. when you're talking about cocaine parties in orgies, they were like, all right. we that may show up in my twitter feed and i don't need to do deal with that. so this race now, sort of resets the playing field for how the party is going to respond, and it sends out a message that we are going to draw that line, and if you cross it will take you out. but that line won't include the big lie, january 6th, etc. >> we all we'll put, and michael steele, proving among other things that he either keeps close watch on mr.
cawthorn tweets, or knows how to search twitter. one or the other. >> right. i like to keep one eye on, crazy just so i know how crazy it is. >> respects, one eye open, when i, up michael steele, good to see you. we're gonna go from someone -- to someone at the upper echelons of the other party. she was the press secretary of, 16 senior adviser to the biden campaign in 2020, also worked for vice president harris, but now recently has left government and joined us here at msnbc, where she anchors simone. thanks for making time tonight. with >> absolutely, i enjoyed our conversation with the chairman, he always has great insights. >> respect, so we've actually the way it's gone both with some of the races and some of the numbers that have come in, we spent the first half hour here closing in on the east coast, more the republican side. i'm just curious, from your experience and vantage point
now as an independent analyst, but knowing a lot of these players, what do you see on the democratic side and what do you see as potential opportunities going up against some candidates, particularly in peer pa is a state that biden won, the candidates looked pretty extreme. >> well, i actually want to talk a little bit about what is happening in the republican, primaries and pennsylvania specifically, how can that play in the general election. i think the counties that steve has been talking, about talking about books, county chester, montgomery county. these are all counties that president biden won in 2020, and counties that were critical, frankly, to his overall win in pennsylvania. and, when you see the numbers, i've been watching civil, evenings wouldn't them on the big, board as a tallies are coming in. this is a primary that we're looking, at in a general election some of those same voters are going back to the polls, we're in these swing
counties if you will, these are not people who are ideologues, if you will, for either the political parties. and folks who are not very interested, if you will, in some of this extreme conversation. talking about, you know, criminalizing abortion, jailing women or doctors. no exceptions for rape and incest when it comes to abortion. with its ugly, racist underbelly, that has been rearing its ugly head. so these, i think it's really important to watch how those check counties shake out, because it will be a telltale for this november. on the democratic side, i'll just say very quickly that, i think there was a really robust primary when it came to the senate for the democratic race, i think that john fetterman, what we see from him the democrats who were running in the neo-biden agenda. the question is, can john that herman inspire a base of the
democratic party, can he speak to voters in western pennsylvania. but kenyan inspire people to vote for him in philly. there's a lot of people who are concerned if you can get that done, what will be held hopeful for him i think it's joshua pirro, someone who is very, popular twice elected, ag in the state. he is a democratic government candidate, and someone who has been going around the state. i think there's a lot of energy for josh, particularly because of who will be facing a november. >> yeah, you look at all that, and you look we were talking about cawthorn, we are discussing sort of the energy in the republican party, which seems very mobilized, and also kind of asserting their loyalty test, or whatever you want to call it. how does that play against the mobilization that might come if anything like this draft a legal position over ruling roe comes out. it's very hard to know, but i'm curious your position as someone who's been in communications and work on
campaigns, does this matter for democratic turnout in the primaries, when it's in we are conditional mode, it's a lead, but nothing has happened yet. and if that lead turns into a ruling, do you think that affects democratic turnout and mobilization in the general? >> oh yes, and i do think that lead is turning into a ruling. the leaked draft from justice alito said that the justices had voted, if you like the makeup of the court, i am hard-pressed to believe that enough folks have changed your mind, for roe v. wade not to be overturned from my vantage point, is not a question of if but when. i do think it matters how candidates, democrats talk about the issue. if the rhetoric is going out there saying all republicans are radical, or republicans or this, if folks are painted with a broad stroke brush i don't. think they'll see success, but i think the folks that can triangulate around the draft decision, the ventral decision
of roe v. wade overturned, is to talk about what that means. we talk about the criminalization of, women were talking about doctors potentially been jailed. we're talking about the republican candidate for governor in pennsylvania. he doesn't believe in exceptions for rape or incest, for abortion. he believes that women should be forced to have those babies. folks have to talk about how this is also talking about rights to privacy, with those are conversations that cut across -- when you just talk to people in voters, people don't want extremes. some of these, things people just heard me, say might say oh, that sounds like something out of the handmaids tail, that sounds insane and crazy. those are a lot of the things, that republicans across the country, people in pennsylvania are talking about. >> simone sanders, a stain of late with us. up next, new numbers from kornacki at the big board, and david plouffe, a key member of the obama campaign is here,
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where is the outstanding vote? where are the biggest batches of votes left? the most the biggest single batch of outstanding votes is in delaware county. right outside of philadelphia. you see how delaware is looking right now. the second biggest bat outstanding votes. bucks county where office got a big boost recently, that put him ahead statewide. the third biggest batch outside outstanding votes is outside the state capitol. where harrisburg is. the fourth biggest batch of outstanding votes isn't lancaster county. a lot of these are mail-in ballots, they've had some mechanical some technical issues. some prophesy issues with mail ballots. a lot of these are going to be mail ballots. another large batch of outstanding votes, it's incompetent county where carlisle is. five outstanding votes again. with mom and was leading by 637 votes statewide. where do we expect things to go from here? again, it all of these counties,
and some others, they are going to continue to count up the same day votes. the election day votes. the votes that was cast by people who went to the polls today. we are going to see how that ends up affecting all of these different numbers. different counties are handling the mail-in ballots differently. some counties have counted them all. some counties are gonna count them all tonight. some others say they are gonna get to what they can't tonight, do the rest tomorrow. and even sums that said we are not touching mail ballots at all until tomorrow. so we don't know when this night will. and exactly with the number will be. but there will be a significant batch of uncounted mail-in ballots. even after they get through counting up the same day both in all of these different counties. right now, the number of uncounted mail ballots is down to about 29,000. as they say a lot of these counties. this thing really doesn't want to write. it's about 29, 29,000 right now. it was down. two against him of these counties are knocking them off
as the night ends. so that number will come down to a bit tonight. but there will be mail in ballots last. and a number of counties, to be open to be processed, to be counted tomorrow. and again, just looking at the lay of the land here. there are counties where mccormick is doing better than us. caddies were all just doing better than mccormack. the possibility certainly looms that as we get through all of the same day votes. that the margin between these candidates's razor-thin. and we are looking at a batch of mail-in ballots tomorrow, that is pick enough to decide this race. the potential certainly exist for that, as i said on top of all of that, there is the state law, there is the recount, if you are within half a point, certain ugly right now we are in within half a point. >> really striking which speaks to why, odds, steve may have emphasized this supporters hey, keep your powder dry, stay rested. can we go back steve on camera here, i was just going to say, you deserve a better marker. the president that you bring to
the numbers. i tried to write number 20. oh my goodness is what i'm saying! 20. a! there we go. kind of >> works i can read those those are discernible numbers steve. >> 29,000 is all i was trying to buy right there. >> there it is i see it. >> and as you say we all better see. it keep an eye what currently is but you say, potentially that recount margin. these days with, us we turn now to david brought. former obama campaign manager. msnbc analyst. david, there are many things that we are gonna get into. i am curious of your view of how we go at someone like mastriano. we showed some of the remarks earlier. almost sounds like a grab bag of trumpy elon musk trolling tweets. he has his party behind him in pennsylvania. will we have the general election to boot? >> well ari, there's a lot of storylines tonight. his nomination and what that would mean if he won, the general election to me. the biggest story that we have the insurrection at the top of the ticket in pennsylvania.
a massive state in america and will be a core battleground state in the battle of 24, how that unfolds. that's the big story. joshua perot, has a proven go getter, quite popular. what's interesting i think if you look at whether it's oz or mccormack, who comes to the primary, you got shapiro and betterment clearly democrats have an edging candidate quality. it's going to be a tough political environment. the question, is do they have enough quality? i think there is a gap between them particularly when you think about pennsylvania the kind of candidates who have been successful before. you spell a lot of time with the was talking about the suburbs. austria no will struggle there. in the general election. and that's a wild part. roe v. wade, if that does get overturned as a wildcard. and also the fact that mastriano is not mulling the words, playing along with trump. he was like leading the fight. and is that something that can help democrats shapiro specifically? democrats generally down a ballot. and in pennsylvania.
i think it might. so it'll be interesting to see what mastriano decides at all to moderate it all. my guess would be not. and so i think, he is a big target from that standpoint over josh shapiro. >> now though we are seeing the proven of the put in some of these races. are you surprised by how many republicans are focused as you mentioned on insurrection? big lie? january six issues? as well as kind of a coterie of other attempts at those divisions rather than say, inflation? and areas where you can argue that the biden administration either didn't and hurt the economic environment that it had. or is not doing enough on it that republicans would argue. >> well listen ari, you have to win the conference finals to get to the championship. and so, for these republicans who are running in states and districts where they have to win a tough primary, they can't look out the windshield towards
a general election. there won't be a general election if they don't win the primary. and we see the madison cawthorn, good for the republican i think that they lost. they still got the 31% of the vote. there are a lot of votes and crazy land. if you look, or add on together. i think that's gonna be north of 60%. so that's why i think they still have to appeal. now somebody like mccormick who, in authentically try to be maga, try to be a bunch of things that he is not. when the craziest caught up to in your way in someone like that country through the middle. didn't even have to win a primary,. that's why i think you still see that. and the question is. when you make the turns of the general election, some of them will try to put some distance between themselves and some of the crazier stuff. but some won't. and i think austria no will not. i think he's going to run proudly as someone who was a proponent that the election can get overturned. and i think in pennsylvania,
statewide, and harrisburg schlossberg, and some of the pittsburgh, certainly those big votes producing counties outside of philadelphia. and they've got her not just him but the entire ticket. >> david plouffe, with your analysis tonight, thank you. we have a lot more coming up including some new numbers we are waiting on in pennsylvania. cannot get the big board, and we will be right back. >> >> oh yeah? well, check out this tux. oh, nice. that'll go perfect with these. dude... those are so fire. [whines] only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪
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there's been a coordinated strike -- and it's really something that i think it's a losers mentality, they realize the direction that the population is going in. and they want to be able to pay off people from my past, try to bring up old pictures, things that happened years ago. i think the american people will see through that. >> madison cawthorn argued that people would see through it, but he did just lose his seat here by losing the primary to chuck edwards of north carolina. and we are joined now by -- a veteran of several presidential campaigns, including the obama campaign. thanks for joining, what do you see as the reason for this loss? >> look, madison cawthorn sort of broke the code of silence, he attacked his own caucus. i think it's very important for us to draw the distinction, between madison cawthorn and
matt gates. what matt gates is accused of, and what he is involved with i would argue are far worse than wet medicine car thorn has been accused, of intimate involved. with the problem, is there's no serious primary challenger to matt gaetz. there was to madison cawthorn, what was a difference? madison cawthorn i taxes own party, you simply can't do that. >> yes, so you're saying that well cawthorn had all these other issues, we see here he's losing this primary tonight. when he alluded to, embarrassments from his past, these very grandiose and odd behavior patterns, as well as being a right-wing extremist. you think he came down to loyalty, as none other than kendrick lamar might say. who are you loyal to when the lights get dark? is your loyalty coming from the heart? your view here is this is much more about republicans demanding partisan loyalty than
the other substantive issues with this incumbent candidate? >> absolutely in terms of madison cawthorn's heart as far as house republicans are concerned senate republicans are concerned your heart used and belong to kevin mccarthy and mitch mcconnell it, was simply not enough. it's interesting that you said you made a second chance and help me -- he wanted them which is something you're not allowed to do even if you have trump's back. >> that's right, you're trying to distinction that i think is important, he yoked himself to trump, he made himself sort of the smash mouth maga sort of political entertainment. but he upset the top, and made their voices heard today. thanks for joining our, coverage which continues in a moment. stay with us, you're watching msnbc election coverage. with us, you're watchin with us, you're watchin msnb
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reporting live from our msnbc election headquarters we track elections results here from five elections across the country. it's when i am on the east coast, still as 90 as who will win the republican nomination in pennsylvania. that primary remains too close to call, steve kornacki has been walking us through,e
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