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thanks for joining us, i'm reporting live from our msnbc election headquarters we track elections results here from five elections across the country. it's when i am on the east coast, still as 90 as who will win the republican nomination in pennsylvania. that primary remains too close to call, steve kornacki has been walking us through, we
mehmet oz head to head with mccormick. -- mail-in and absentee ballots have not been counted yet, whoever wins facing the number two official in the states, fetterman, who defeated congressman connor lam. fetterman is recovering in the hospital from a stroke, no victory speech tonight. the winner of the republican nomination for governor's doug mastriano, a far-right election denier, who is at the capitol on u.s. election today. some democrats see him as the easiest to, beat but the voters will decide. meanwhile, pennsylvania attorney general josh shapiro is the democratic nominee, and he has already begun tonight with learning what he says -- pennsylvania's against what he says in the most extreme candidate in their history, in north carolina. controversial first term congressman madison cawthorn, is officially one term. or coming into our live coverage this hour, we were just discussing at the end of the last hour, and how it was
loyalty and the test of loyalty that he failed to house lawyer leaders, they may have cost him his seat. then there is north carolina, and we know the nominees in that race. trump endorsed republican congressman ted budd, against a former judge terry beasley, in idaho we saw a trump endorsement failed today, government -- allegedly his right, there you see is not even close. and we begin this hour, as we did the last, and we do so many moments of election night, with kornacki at the big board. steve? >> it is the closest thing we've been following all night, this republican primary for the senate in pennsylvania. this is not gonna sound like a lot, but it's significant. the website in montgomery county, and we've been telling you how these websites sometimes -- no one has not yet. these websites come up with new numbers out, before they actually get into our system,
it is again the case here in montgomery county. folks montgomery, county have just within the last minute or to put up a new update on their website of more votes being counted. again -- home county on the ballot, they've been running 12 here, the bottom line from this new update from montgomery, we should get into our system pretty quickly, is that oz is going to net an additional 354 votes over mccormick, so keep that in mind, as you look here at the statewide number. mccormick somewhere, alice as i was doing that i just picked up -- where was it? adam where was it? chester county. so while i was doing, that is some votes came in from chester county that actually helped pin mccormick, and cut off as a statewide lead to 63. when montgomery county comes in, that will be pushed up by 350, for that lead will be post up to 1100 votes, and really
testing my luck trying to write. here it will be pushed up to over 1100 votes, statewide, for oz. so again, you still have some votes to come in bucks county, and in delaware county. those are probably the two biggest outstanding sources of votes right now on election night. on this league, we can say, with that montgomery thing. let's call it just over 1000 votes statewide. there are a number of places statewide, scatterings of those that are gonna come in tonight. some of these counties have continued to chip away at those piles of mail-in ballots. so i think the bottom line on tonight, is the late trajectory in terms of the votes being counted tonight, has favored oz, has put him ahead over mccormack for the moment. he's got the opportunity to build on it in montgomery, and potentially a few other places. but, we are also going to end tonight with a number of uncounted mail-in ballots. we don't know exactly how many, all we know is that some counties have told us, we're
not touching them until tomorrow, other counties have told us that we've gotten through some, tonight we're gonna do the rest tomorrow. so there is going to be a substantial number of mail-in ballots, uncounted heading into tomorrow. right now that number is sitting somewhere at about 25, 000, it will probably come down before the end of the night. but if you're looking at a margin between oz and mccormack, anything like we've been looking at for the last hour. that if you've got it batch of 10, 000, 15, 000, 20,000 uncounted mail-in ballots, it absolutely looms as the deciding factor in this election. , again those are mail-in ballots. we expect tomorrow, wednesday, to be opened and counted. and the one clue, the one clue that we know so far is that the mail-in ballots that have already been counted, have favored mccormick by nine points. so if that holds, he will potentially have an opportunity, even if he falls short of oz in the count tonight, mccormick
would potentially have an opportunity on wednesday to jump over oz, on the strength of mail-in ballots. that really does seem like where this is coming down too. it is just too close tonight. oz may well finish with more votes than mccormick tonight. it seems to be coming down to the potential for mail-in ballots, to come down to a definitive winner for this on wednesday. and again, not a complicated even more than a party complicated, it but there is also that rule we've mentioned if it's within half a point, they do have a recount provision, and this does look like it has high potential to finish within half a point. >> steve kornacki with the latest, thank you sir, we turn now to will, bunches a national columnist to the philadelphia inquirer. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> would have pennsylvania voters said so far today? >> well, it's a really interesting night, le pen certainly i think winners in le
pen john fetterman, and the democratic senate race. voters are really craving a -- it more assertive candidates, somebody who they think will take the fight to the republicans. he really won big. again, the other certainty is knowing that doug master nano, who is by far the most extreme candidate in a pretty extreme candidates for republicans, will be the nominee. it really sets up a battle for the state of democracy here in pennsylvania, the state where the constitution and declaration of independence were for made it. -- mastriano has run as on a qanon de adjacent a platform of christian nationalism, if he
was elected he'd -- supporting donald trump's big lie in the 2020 election, with the ability to impose on the 2024 election, possibly not all the votes are counted. this is really going to be one of the highest profile elections in the fall, between joshua pirro and mastriano, because it is not just le pen, because of his extreme views on abortion limits. we just don't know, if it's really laid, out we might not know, tonight and we may not even know until this time tomorrow who is a republican senate nominee is going to be between oz and mccormick, which is a big, surprise because i think people wrote mccormick off the end a little bit.
there's been a lot of attention to the late surge for kathy barnette, she certainly had all the attention we're getting the donald trump endorsement, and mccormick had been a forgotten factor, maybe barnette and oz beating each other up at the end, gave mccormick a chance to slip it in through the back door. >> yeah, you mentioned the history of centuries back, in pennsylvania, or you can just go few years back and look at how different type of republican candidate this is as a nominee, in a state that has had some more self declared moderates. will bunch, i gotta fit in our next folks tonight, but i want to thank you for staying up late with us, in a state where everyone has been watching. thank you sir. before i bring in our next, guest i want to go through one of the questions that's been heading into these primaries. what does it mean to get a trump endorsement, these days? and with the candidates that trump endorsed go any farther
and do any better than the so-called establishment or moderate republicans? well, there are some results in. the january 6th insurrection is that we are just discussing, mastriano, is the republican nominee there. trump's early endorsement for ted budd, did appear to jump-start his campaign, and look where he got him. winning tonight. and then you have so two competitive house primaries in north carolina, where trump's backing either held or overlapped with some of these candidates, including the 26-year-old who could become the youngest member of congress. indeed, a few weeks younger than republican congressman cawthorn, who lost something primary today. in fact, that loss is a sign, as we've said, the one might matter most in the party is not what we think of the ideology, but rather this question of loyalty to house leadership. of course, cawthorn also a never-ending streak of, scandals that might have hurt
him with some scandals more than a single narrative. trump's candidate lost in idaho, in an attempt to do something for governor. and for pennsylvania, will he win? as steve was telling, as doctor oz is still basically functionally tied with mccormick, oh that is context as we join with -- and adrian elrod, a hillary clinton aide, and the head of surrogates strategy for the biden 2020 campaign. carlos, we ran through those numbers just give people a general sense of it. there's also the fact that trump has endorsed at times later in races, and seemed to go towards who we might think is going to win. stand to be a little skeptical, and that's a little bit of grain of salt with it. but what do you see on the score? >> well, good evening, i think the big story tonight is that despite the fact that donald trump is still the dominant force in the republican party
you kind of doocy his power waning here. in north carolina with madison cawthorn who obviously hitch his wagon strongly to trump, and trump stayed with him despite all these scandals, cawthorn couldn't even get a third of the vote in the primary. in the big pennsylvania senate primary, which people have been following closely for weeks, the most prominent race of the night. again, you see doctor oz the trump backed candidate, struggling to get one third of the vote, and then trump's candidate got a big flocking in idaho, so this idea that donald trump fully owns the republican party, well there's a lot of evidence that supports that i think tonight we are starting to see some evidence to the contrary. >> adrian? >> yeah, i agree with the congressman wholeheartedly, i think something else to look at tonight is the fact that candidates like kathy barnette
and doug mast rana, there's a lane for some of these candidates who not only supported the insurrection, they played a role in the insurrection. you can argue that some of the candid, as well of course donald trump was involved in the insurrection, they may out maga donald trump. so i think that even though kathy barnette who's going to go on to be the nominee in pennsylvania, i think the fact that she garnered 20 to 22% of the vote, whatever the number looks like, sort of says a lot about the fissures in the republican party. and maybe being a donald trump endorsed candidate, is not far enough, it depends on where you're running and where that plays out. but i agree with the congressman, i think you can't say holistically how donald trump's endorsement impacts on these races, because j.d. vance obviously wanted, ohio here's a trump endorsed candidate, but it certainly doesn't mean that you're going to be a definitive winner. and the fact that he's had such a strong grip on his party for so long, given the fact that we as democrats have been looking at him as a presidential front
runner going into 24, i think we've seen some fissures in that support. i think that's the telling time sign overseen plano tonight. >> in adrian, won democratic races worried watching? what are your takeaways there? >> obviously, i was looking at the pennsylvania primary, really excited about john fetterman, a lot of us are, i think is the best candidate we can put forward going into the midterms in pennsylvania. pennsylvania is the ultimate bellwether state, hillary clinton barely lost the state in the 2016. biden barely won in 2020. this is a state we could potentially flip, even with david mccormick and mehmet oz, i'll be the first to admit that may be dr. oz might be a more viable candidate against us in terms of democrats winning, then david mccormick. the jury is still out on that. very excited about lieutenant governor fetterman, this is gonna be one of the top races in the country, and it's gonna
be one of the ultimate deciding races to determine whether the democrats hold on to the senate. >> and carlos, what does it mean for the republican party to be running as nominees this many people are around the election deniers, or openly supporting measures to overthrow the will of the voters. because what we know about the last cycle was trump was calling some republicans, who didn't want to hear it. it's not clear that those kind of calls will be defied or rejected depending on these people getting into office. >> well ari, these are starting to look in many ways like 2010 and 2012 for republicans, when they nominated candidates in places like nevada or missouri, delaware that were just totally unelectable. this is why mitch mcconnell started intervening in republican primaries a lot more some ten years ago, to prevent this kind of dynamic --
tonight, the really worried about mastriano, a lot of people that he's unelectable, he has no chance of winning the race for governor. so are starting to see some of the rideau's of what's happening to republicans i decade ago, in this case there's a big figure in donald trump supporting a lot of these candidates. where in 2010 and 12 it was more of that organic tea party movement that wasn't as organized, in this case you have donald trump who shows up and states, supports these candidates, puts air beneath their wings, and then come the fall a lot of these candidates sort of struggle to compete with democrats who will probably be running more mainstream centrist campaigns. >> in adrian, we are watching on north carolina to have any thoughts there? >> yeah, i was, i think we're all very excited about which sherrie beasley, i think she's gonna do very well, and again
north carolina is another state that is a marginal state for democrats. it's a purple state. and richard burr was relatively moderate compared to a lot of his colleagues, and sherry beasley as a moderate democrat. i think it's gonna be a great race to keep an eye on, and look, as somebody who's worked on the last few presidential campaigns, i understand the importance of the midterms, i understand the importance of not just flipping states and flipping seats but seeing how those teams determine will play out in 2024. increasingly, democrats are looking like states like georgia and north carolina to carry us over the finish line in a presidential election. so excited about beasley, i think about where things are tonight across the board in a lot of these primaries, and when you compare who were putting up in the general compared to some of the other republicans, i.e. herschel walker in georgia, we'll see a
very wealthy hedge fund manager or controversial former television doctor in pennsylvania, i think democrats are coming out on top, and i think we've got a really good shot especially with roe being a propelling factor for democrats, a very good shot of holding on to the senate at this point, especially given who republicans are putting on the ballot. >> certainly a lot of strong contracts that we're gonna see based on some of the winners out of the primary. i want to thank adrian carlos, for being part of our coverage here. msnbc's election coverage of these primaries continues in just a moment, stay with us. s continues in just a moment, sta okay everyone, our mission is to provide complete balanced nutrition for strength and energy. woo hoo! ensure, complete balanced nutrition with 27 vitamins and minerals. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. ♪ ♪
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coming in the last few minutes, oz got a big batch of votes out of your county, that had brought him significantly closer to mccormack, mccormack then countered in western pennsylvania, in erie county. we've mccormick got a good batch of votes out of, here just a second ago if you came in from the city of philadelphia, that tighten things a little bit. but that's what we're watching right now. a few thousand votes here, a few there. on as we've seen him get close to 2000, we've let you have to see him get close to mccormick, there's two things to keep an eye on, here number one is the margin between these two candidates. it's two tenths of one point, pennsylvania law calls for recount if the final count is less than or equal to five tenths of one point. right now, you've been recount territory. mccormack would have to increase this lead, or oswald have to catch him or move significantly ahead to move out
of that zone. if this falls within recount territory, it's very real at this point. the other thing to keep in mind, we mention this again. the uncounted mail-in ballots, the republican primary we see hundreds of thousands of votes, over 1 million votes are gonna be cast in this republican primary, but there are about 33,000 right now, uncounted mail-in ballots, in some of the counties have said they are not going to get to until tomorrow, we're not going to report out until tomorrow. but i can tell you about the mail-in ballots that have been counted so far in this race, it's not many of them, but the mail-in ballots that have been counted so far. mccormick has led by nine points, plus nine. bergeron if that were to hold on these 33,000 remaining mail-in ballots, that could be a big significant boost to mccormack, when they're finally counting tomorrow.
but keep in mind, a lot of these mail-in ballots, but dropped off today, they're mailed in late, they could be different in character than the mail-in ballots that have already been counted. take that with a grain of salt. maybe it's not mccormick plus nine with all of these mail-in ballots, but in a racist type, the fact that we've got 30,000 mail-in ballots, many of which will not be counted until tomorrow. that looms particularly large, so it is a very close race, needless to say here in pennsylvania. we're following every twist in turn, and it's about as close as this one in north carolina, here earlier, will just show you again the upset of the night at this point was in this 11th district, for western north carolina, state senator chuck edwards. you can see, here you've got the check mark next to him, first term madison cawthorn fall short in this, race edwards jumped out to a big lead. cawthorn did very well with the same day votes along the
tennessee border, but he did do did not do well enough in the home county of henderson county, that's where edwards won it, edwards wins this primary tonight. an incumbent member of congress falls short. >> steve, let's head down there to hendersonville, north carolina. where our colleague antonia hilton is standing by at madison cawthorn's campaign headquarters. and tonya, give us the update on the ground. >> hey steph, well it has been a somber and kind of strange night i madison cawthorn election night event, for a while his team wasn't say much to reporters people were just kind of milling about, and then cawthorn finally came out and spoke to his supporters, sane verbally that he felt that he could still win. shortly after that, he immediately left the building. according to his spokesperson, he quickly call the state senator edwards, and even conceded the race. this is of the four nbc news and cnn had even called this race. he really didn't present with
much of the usual bravado. he looked a bit tired, disappointed as he spoke to reporters, frustrated. his staff was really quiet. frankly, this didn't come as much of a surprise to us on the ground. it's going to be a tire day in the republican district, the precinct talking to voters. many of whom are using words like miniature, not ready to lead, and these are people who are republicans, who formerly in many cases has part of him, and are now looking towards one of his seven challengers. many the mentioning state senator chuck edwards, and so this is all coming after one controversy after another, republicans both at home, here in north carolina, and in washington d.c. sharpening their knives and turning against the 26-year-old congressman. so many voters were saying, tonight if you lost, it would be entirely his fault, and it looks right now that that's the way that is going, steph. >> when your own party turns on you, it is a problem.
let's switch gears and head back up to pennsylvania, where nbc's vaughn hillyard, is live from doctor offices headquarters in newtown pennsylvania. van, you've been covering this campaign for months. it was just three weeks ago, you were at that muddy rally where donald trump endorsed doctor oz, where he buried dave mccormick, how do we get here three weeks later with the margin this close, and mccormick in the league? >> you know, it was three weeks ago, stephanie, at the very rally, that i was having conversations with countless voters. david mccormick orr mehmet oz? and there is a lot of waffling in the answers. trump was there riling in rural pennsylvania for mehmet oz, but there is a lot of apprehensive nunes amongst a great number of voters. what did that eventually lead us to,? kathy barnette, she is not going to be our storyline tonight, or tomorrow, she's not gonna win this thing. at the same time, the
conversations you and i are having is the extent that kathy barnette would dilute the vote for david mccormick and mehmet oz, look where we are, steve is looking at that map, and he was calling out the suburban areas around the greater philadelphia area where we are standing right now. bucks county is one of them. this was an area that minutes oz was looking to capitalize on. the more affluent, conservative suburbs of the philadelphia area, where mehmet oz has been opinion on tv screens. the concern was, kathy barnette was going to cut into his difference here. that's exactly what she did. i was just talking with an adviser to kathy barnette, who said they took a greater share of votes another example is one right next door, montgomery county, stephanie, where it is dr. oz full his -- who's leading in montgomery county, it's kathy barnette. kathy barnette lives in
montgomery county. she has 33% of the vote there, then there is mehmet oz at 27%, and then there is mccormick. when you talk about race or just a few thousand votes, that's what we're talking about. kathy barnette's potential impact here on this race. where napoleon location here today, stephanie, a great number of voters said they were heavily considering her, of course not enough ultimately voted for it to give you the win. she may have changed the outcome in this race, if mehmet oz is not able to take the lead here. so she took a big bite out of oz her advisor, happy to talk about that with you to talk about that with you. how about his advisors? has his campaign said anything to you tonight? >> yeah just in the last ten minutes they said they feel good about the direction this is heading in. while noting it is, tightening. and i think steve is better at cracking down the numbers. i gotta be frank with you stephanie, you know you have these conversations. campaigns are usually hedging their bets on the day. as polls are closing. we didn't hear that from these campaigns here. there is an acknowledgment and a recognition that this is
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are always included. every sailing. every guest. celebrity cruises. the polls are now closed and all five primary states our own steve kornacki back at the big board. steve, give us the rundown. >> yeah, so we've got mccormack sitting with 22 hundred votes. a fraction of the percentage. let's show you where the outstanding votes are. there are two things here that are happening. there is the election day votes. the insane day votes. the folks who went in person and cast at the ballot box. anything that we're getting there tonight, just about all. we're guessing it's the same day vote. where we got the most outstanding same-day vote is right out of the side of philadelphia. outside of delaware county. it's a big county. as you see, we do not have that
many votes to be reported here. so, we've got a lot now from chester county. going through philadelphia suburbs. but we still have a fair amount to come next door. from montgomery county. a fair amount to come from bucks county as well. so the philadelphia suburbs, i think there's going to be a single source of outstanding votes to come in tonight. and again, let's see if that shakes us up at all. here. the other issue, as i mentioned, is mail in ballots. ballots that either arrived later today, were dropped off today, were postmarked. many different combinations. different counties are handling them differently. there are some counties that made the decision, we are not going to look at mail-in ballots until the morning after the election. so, we are not sure on the exact number, but i would say there was at least 33,000 mail-in ballots that have not been counted. and they are not included in
this. and many of those 33 thousands are not going to be processed and reported out until tomorrow at the earliest. so that is the other key variable here. we're looking at the same day vote. particularly in the philadelphia suburbs. there are other counties with same-day votes to come. that is going to have a lot to say about how the mccormack shakes out. but when all that is done tonight, we are going to be an overtime waiting for potentially tens of thousands of mail-in ballots to be processed, to be counted, to be reported out. again, i mentioned this. so far in the mail in vote, mccormack has been leading by nine points. this is one of the things that are supposed to be a nine. this is one of the things, he's been leading by nine points over oz. this is one of those things that we've seen in republican primaries over the country. oz is endorsed by trump.
barnett reigned hard trying to get the trump vote. those most align with trump, endorsed by trump, have generally done the worst with the mail-in vote and the best with the same day vote. so that could portend well for mccormick. if we do end up tonight in a real close situation, mccormack versus us, and there is this many uncounted mail but let's. there might, just based on how it's been going so far, there might be advantage for mccormack in the balance. >> and why is it, why do they do worse on the mail in ballots? i'm having flashbacks of the 2020 presidential election. is it because trump hates those ballots? >> i think it's mostly that. we're talking about pennsylvania in the fall of 2020, if you remember that week. joe biden with every mail ballot update got closer and closer to pennsylvania until they talk to -- . trump had been telling people, do not vote by mail, vote in person! a lot of republicans, it seems, got that message. if you look at the total
participation in this republican primary, well over 1 million votes have been cast in this thing. probably about 10% of the ballots in this republican primary are going to be cast by mail when all of is said and done. if you look at the democratic race. we're talking about half of all of the votes in the democratic primary, are going to be cast by mail. so each party treats the idea of voting by mail very differently. so the universe of mail ballots is very small in this republican primary. and yet, the margin between mccormack and oz is so tiny right now, that the remaining mail in ballots could be the difference maker in the republican primary. >> my gosh, it's like the president election all over again. steve, stay close. this is the biggest primary night so far this year. which is why we brought in the big guns. democratic strategist james carville, he helped former
president bill clinton in the early 90s, eugene watson, pulitzer-winning journalist for the washington post. and jennifer, -- and head of communications for hillary clinton's 2016 campaign. mr. carville, you stayed up late. i want to turn to you first. we're not gonna have a final answer in the gop primaries for a while, but president biden also weighed in and he is not mincing words. he also said this, these candidates are not your father 's gop. they have fought a malicious, chaotic primary campaign to be the most extreme. and they have shown people their authentic selves. that whoever emerges will be too dangerous, too craven, and to extreme to represent pennsylvania in the united states. that is a wow! what do you think? >> that is a lot. there is a couple of things that encourage me coming out of pennsylvania. but, i was actually [inaudible]
turned out to be a really great candidate. and fetterman in the general election. but, remember, if it's oz or mccormack, the other thing that is really important is that they have a terrible gubernatorial candidate. it's not a lot of ticket splitting in this day and age. even in pennsylvania. he's going to be so much of a drag, and no matter who it is, they're both first-time state candidates of any kind. and it is a slippery surface out there. i think fetterman's footing is a lot better. so i am encouraged by what i see out of pennsylvania. it's not overly encouraging, but i felt better than when i woke up this morning. and i feel very good about north carolina, because their
nominee is a -- enthusiastic of the rick scott plan. but because of the law liability, it's a political liability. i see james smiling, because he knows exactly what i'm talking about. in north carolina. because he comes from below there . >> people from north carolina don't like their taxes being raised? shocking. >> no, they don't need a tax increase. i don't think. the health care workers, agriculture workers, budd wants to attacks them all. that is not gonna sit well. >> no it will not. jennifer, let's talk about the power of trump though. because his candidate for a did win in north carolina but madison cawthorn. he comes in the school of matt gates. this is trump boy, he lost. what does this tell you about the power of trump? and we don't have to look too far on pennsylvania to see what it's been for oz. at the very least very tight. >> yeah, i mean. if you look at the primaries that he's had thus far. it's hard to have a clear
picture a marriage of specifically what happens to trump endorsed candidates. but. it is pretty clear about wet he has thought about this party. madison cawthorn fell out his own way to have [inaudible] i thinking that isn't the right kind of leader not ready to mature. but pennsylvania, don't forget that it was the heart of trump's stop the steal campaign. right? so what he unleashed in that republican primary voters that very much believe that the election was stolen from them. it is not mastriano who has emerged as the republican nominee for governor. he was in the january six insurrection, but all of those that were running for governor were in some way supportive of stop the steal. did not believe that biden had won. so this is what trump has sowed.
the republican governor association put out a statement saying, congratulations doug mastriano our. and we're gonna put our money where we think we can when. because they don't think that they will be able to win a state that matriano has won. but even when mccormack, and oz. when they went to the circus, they spent tens of millions of dollars saying that the other one was not really like trump. and that is going to sit with republican voters too. so he has spurred this whole belief in stop the steal, and that can give candiated like mastriano. and he's pitted people like mccormack and -- against each other. and he's in a go together against -- . that i've seen in a long time. so the scorecard for trump, i think is pretty in the primary. >> i'm always confused by the
stop the steal. don't believe the president will resolve but believe all the down ballot races where republicans won. very confusing for me, eugene what do you make of the argument we keep hearing that some republicans are getting very worried that the party is getting too extreme, these extreme candidates are winning? is there any evidence of that? because more and more candidates just keep getting more extreme. right well >> a lot of republicans are worried that the party is getting too extreme, the problem is the republican base is fine with what's happening with the party. republican base is still a cult of personality for donald trump. and in the end we'll see what happens. between oz and mccormack and who wins that one. that's kind of a marquee race tonight. i think trump will be able to claim he didn't have that ban tonight. and i don't think you know, in terms of what democrats should come away with, if fetterman
has turned out terrific statewide candidate in pennsylvania. and i think they should feel very good about that race, they should feel good about north carolina as carmel said, the rick scott play out is a milestone around the neck. plus ball and chain around the ankle, of anybody who adores it. remember what happened the last time donald trump ran or led a republican ticket in an election? they lost everything. they lost the white house in both taken to congress. be careful with you wish for. if you want to be a trump cult personality, you end up being that, that might not be good for your party. even in the short run, saying nothing about the long run. >> i am often surprised when people keep talking about trump as the key maker. forgetting the fact that he lost the last election. james what have you learned, or heard about voter turnout tonight? >> you know, i've seen it, it's
pretty comparable. i think this is good news if i'm not an expert on this kind of things. but the democratic turnout in pennsylvania was very comparable to the republican turnout. we had no -- shapiro got the votes in the -- nominee. and a federal races never that tight. and they spend a ton of money. i was expecting to have a much higher turnout differential between republicans and democrats. we certainly saw that in ohio. and we certainly saw that in texas. with more republican states, i don't know what to make of it. but earlier today i was expecting a turnout differential to be somewhat higher for the republicans that it turned out to be tonight. i don't take it as bad news for sure. i can't tell you how good of news it is. if you look at the total vote, at least the last time i looked it was pretty comprable
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