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lead into her generation and give her opportunities that weren't there. >> obviously in situations like this. when men step up, it makes it all the better. i really appreciate it. you could catch all of the action by the way from the final day of the premier league season, this sunday on nbc and streaming on peacock. >> a lost yelling going on at our house at 10:00 a.m. >> the walls rattling. nbc sport premier league analyst, tim howard, great to see you. thank you. we're going to roll right into the fourth hour of "morning joe." it is 9:00 a.m. on the east coast, 6:00 a.m. out west. as we begin with president biden overseas right now for his first visit to asia as commander-in-chief. the president touched down in south korea today and will spend the night in seoul. a major goal of the trip is to re-establish the biden administration's focus on
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combatting china. president biden will spend the next days in south korea before heading to japan to meet with leaders there. before returning home to d.c. on tuesday, he'll attend a meeting of the quad leaders. which includes japan, india, and australia. and in ukraine, russian forces are stepping up attacks on the eastern donbas region. at least 12 people were killed and 40 injured after russia unleashed new rounds of shelling in a key city in luhansk. one of the few ukrainian strong holds standing in the way of russia seizing full control of the don bass. the attacks could be a precursor to a larger drawn out battle. president volodymyr zelenskyy called the strikes, quote, brutal and completely pointless. willie. >> meanwhile, the u.k. ministry of defense has released new information reporting the battle for mariupol has left the
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russian military weakened. the fierce fighting against ukrainian troops who held out inside of that steel plant has depleted russia's ranks and rebounding from the hard fought battle there will take time. president biden is expected to quickly sign into law a new $40 billion aid package for ukraine. the senate overwhelming approved the measure yesterday with an 86-11 vote. it was the largest passed by congress in two decades. separately, the u.s. is sending $100 million in additional military equipment to ukraine. the package includes howitzers and tactical vehicles an counter utility. and criticize of nato, last night during a nationwide telethon to raise funds for ukraine, he said in part you could name one consensus decision made by nato that would benefit and help ukraine.
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he continues, yes, it is true that the alliance members individually in small groups are doing awesome and important work providing vital assistance but nate as as an institution has done nothing during this time, joe. >> let's bring in retired four star united states army general and former cia director david petraeus. we appreciate it so much. why don't we begin with the statement from the foreign minister. whats with your response be? >> well my response would be that he's under enormous pressure as is president zelenskyy. they're all feeling this month's long tension as they've first held back the russians, won the battles of kyiv and also kharkiv in the east. but as you're reporting covered correctly, there is a big battle brewing down in luhansk.
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no troop has had enough money and troop or bandwidth or drones and i never felt that i did even in the surge in iraq, you always need more. you're always under pressure. and i think that was essentially an expression of manifestation of that enormous pressure that they've been under now for two and a half months since this invasion began. >> so general, before we go deep into russia, let's first talk about where the president is right now. in asia, we've been talking for sometime, it is a nation since barack obama was president, about that shift to asia, that focus on asia which we have not done. i'm curious, how is the united states doing right now challenging an aggressive china even if the weakened state. are we starting to line our allies up effectively and what are our biggest challenges moving forward? >> well, i think we are, joe. as you noted, since the second term of the obama
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administration, we've been trying to do a rebalance to asia. now the indo pacific as it is termed. the trump administration continued that and changed the conversation on china. and this administration came in and intending immediately to focus again on the indo pacific region. but first it was afghanistan and then it was ukraine and they're trying to get back on their strategic glide path. and it has been difficult. but i think the summit held, a number of other initiatives, the first meeting of all of the quad that was held earlier, all of this again trying to get back to what they believe, and i agree, is the main effort for our country. there is a lot to be done and in every different respect. i think the big intent in this particular trip is to lay out the economic vision because the glaring absence in the overarching strategy of the united states and its allies and partners is the absence of a trade component. we've pulled out of the
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trans-pacific partnership and haven't figured out ho get back into that so there will be pieces and parts of what look like elements of a trade agreement of an economic initiative. that is the most important component of all of this. indeed as the pentagon and all of our other departments and agencies make that change in focus, and that is very much on going and has been since it was announced back in the days of the second part of the obama administration. >> general petraeus, good morning, it is great to have you on the show. we haven't had a chance to speak with you in sometime so we'd love to get your general view of what happened in the ukraine over the last three months or so. what has surprised you about the ineptitude of the russian military and the strength of the ukrainian military and the strength of the people there and the leadership of zelenskyy and the rally of the west. what is your overall view of what we've seen here? >> well i think the biggest of the big ideas is that putin set out te make russian great again.
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but what he's really done is make nato great again. and of course you see now the addition of finland and sweden. and we'll work through the issues with president erdogan of turkey and they are solvable. and he's america great again. after the withdrawal from afghanistan, there were countries around the world that said you can't depend on americans any more. they're a great powner decline. we've have shown that is not the case. and we do lead the world when it matters to us and this is just one of those cases. certainly i think everyone has been reassessing what is the realm of the possible in ukraine since the beginning. i did not ever say, in fact i said that russia would not be able to take kyiv, and certainly would never be able to control it. that said, even i was astounded at what you rightly termed the ineptitude in every category by which you might evaluate a military force. and having been part of an invasion of a country i have a
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little bit of a reference to do that. and then the ukrainians have been extraordinary. now i was there not long after president zelenskyy was elected. i went down to the donbas and went to kharkiv and other cities and i had a sense that these guys are ready to fight if it comes to it. and obviously they have been. what i think has been so amazing is the resourcefulness, not just of the military forces but of an entire nation at war. the entire country has mobilized behind their men and women who are doing the fighting. but everybody is engaged in some way. and the way they've taken this massive amount of arms and ammunition that we have above all provided and other countries and u.k. deserves special mention here, the way they've taken those and shoved them right into the front lines and made great use of them is very, very impressive. the key, i think right now, willie, ore the next few weeks is to see if russia succeeds in the far southeast to see if the
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ukrainians could capitalize on the momentum they achieved around kharkiv and the east and could roll up the russian flank from the north. but then what may happen is the russians may say okay, this is about as much as we're going to get. we're going to harden the front lines and make it difficult for them to take this back and build it around urban areas just as the ukrainians have built their defenses around them and we're going to declare this part of russian federation and annex it and say if you take this back you're tempting fate. so this is something that i fear will stretch out for quite sometime. i don't see president zelenskyy able to accept any kind of russian gain that has been made since 24 of february and maybe not even the ones that were made back in 2014 at the end of the day given what has transpired an the sacrifices that they've made. and president putin is going to see how much more they could get and then try to hang on to all of that. so i think we have the prospect of what could be a drawn out
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affair unless the one possibility that we need to watch to see if it happens is the possible collapse of russian forces. if they start to crumble, obviously their morale has been very poor, their discipline has been nonexistent. their capabilities have been under-whelming but they still have a lot of artillery and rockets and bombs and making use of those in a variety of different places and making that weight felt. nonetheless, it is possible that they could at some point start to crumble and it is very hard to predict that. having been in some fights where theern emmy crumbling, but you couldn't predict it until the moment that it happened. and so we should be watching for indicators of that possibility. but that would be, i think, the best case for ukraine, the more likely case again is that russia hardens this and annexes is and
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they'll pay a heavy price. >> as you go back to jarn and february, all the chest thumping by that they were going to roll into kyiv and install a puppet government and seems like a lifetime ago when you see how the dynamics of war have changed. >> very much so. >> do you believe in your assessment that ukraine could win this war, whatever that may mean to you. certainly the united states has placed very big bets, $40 billion worth most recently on a side that it believes could win. >> well, again, it always depends on how you define winning. because the truth is that there has been enormous destruction and loss in ukraine already. needless to say. and it is going to take probably decades to rebuild, to re-establish various elements of their economy. some of this is irreparable. and so is some of the putin inner circle and the business community. so everyone who is losing is directly participating in this.
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ironically, of course, it is nato that emerges from this much stronger with two additional very capable countries that will surround the baltic. it is now completely controlled by nato and they have two very important countries to what is going to be a struggle as a future, maybe not a battleground but certainly a competitive zone in the future which is the arctic. certainly ukraine could push back farther, hopefully, with the additional arms and ammunition that we're providing, it would be fantastic if they could regain everything that has been taken since 24 of february. it remains to be seen though. and again urban fighting which they've in a sense done as defenders is difficult when you're on the offense. and they're going to have to retake some built up areas that the russians now control if the russians could demonstrate some aptitude at defending those areas. this could be a very tough fight and it could stretch out for quite sometime with a lot of
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loss. >> well certainly one definition joe, of winning for ukraine is retaining and regaining the territory that they lost back in 2014. and holding on to their land. they have no interest in letting it go. not one inch. and then the question is, because there was the criticism that nato as a whole hasn't really stepped in any way or different countries have done different things. is there more that can be done and is there more that is owed to ukraine which you could argue is paying the price for the safety of the world. >> right. and general, there is a different ate between the nato member states and what nato as an organization has done. i've heard a lot of criticism, i'm sure you have too, by people close to the ukrainians saying the member states are doing extraordinarily well but where is nato, the organization. what is your response to that? >> well the response would be that nato is doing what nato is chartered to do.
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which is defending nato countries. what nato has done very impressively and effectively is move additional forces into the three baltic states, into eastern poland and parts of the other countries that have borders with ukraine. and they've done that very impressively. but they're mission is not to defend ukraine, that is a by lateral mission between the different countries that have been undertaking the efforts to support ukraine. in that regard, i think nato as a whole resolve to do this and then individual countries are the ones that carry that out. nato is not set up to be a security assistance provider necessarily to a country that is outside of the alliance. and you could ask whether or not there should as a result of this be some kind of guarantee at the end of all of this that ukraine will certainly try to be a member of the e.u. and i hope that would be possible. and there is going to need to be some kind of security guarantee
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short of being a member of nato. so that article 5, an attack on one is an attack on all may not be in effect for nato. but there is some work around in that regard. i don't see ukraine being able to just go back to the status quo that existed prior to 24 february without greater assurance. and indeed, you know, again, mika, i think you touch on something very important which is just that i think that ukraine in a sense has won just by preventing russia from achieving its main objective which was to top the government controlled kyiv and replace president zelenskyy with a pro-russian figure. these are not come to pass. nonetheless, the damage has been enormous and the amount of ukraine that has been taken afrom their control is significant. and they're going to try everything they could to get that back and we ought to do everything that we can to help
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them get 245 that back without in a sense directly confronted russia which has been the correct direction that the administration has taken. and no one is more critical of this administration on afghanistan than i was. but in this case, i think they've done an impressive job. >> so general, what are your thoughts on the united states making a mistake possibly letting ukraine into nato and dr. brzezinski in 2008 sudden it should be their decision and others have said the same but most policymakers thought it would be too antagonistic. what is your thoughts on that? did we make a mistake as a country not accepting them into nato earlier? >> well the problem is, of course that we're making this assessment with what we know now. and that is very different from what we knew then. and what we assumed then. let's face it, we have assumed that the russian military was vastly more capable than it was. we were taken in by putin's
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information offensive if you will but how much he had done to modernize this great russian military. we bought into this idea of the doctrine name for the chief of the general staff. hybrid warfare, they were supposedly masters of. and yet it is turned out they've been inept in virtually every category by which you could evaluate a military force. at the time, i think a degree of caution was in order. we had to be very careful and we thought not to provoke russia. and as we have reassessed, of course even at the beginning of this war, there was hesitation even to arm ukraine, to provide certain weapons for fear that they would fall into the hands of the russians very quickly and so forth. so we've continually recessed this. but i think again that thinking at the time probably was correct. it is impossible knowing what we know now to objectively look
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back. but it is really now about going forward. and i think that the key issue here is that regardless of ukraine's asession to the eu, there is a need for some kind of security guarantee that has been to be crafted. and i think we're going to be less worried about what russia might do, noting that they still do have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, but of course there is much less concern about them now. now that also, we have to be a little careful not to be short-sighted and remember some lessons of history about the end of world war 1 and the conditions and so forth. but again, we have a new context and that context, i think, in that we have done very impressively and we need to keep doing that. and that $40 billion that will be signed into law by president biden presumably on this trip is going to provide enormous
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assistance to ukraine and to our own forces because we have to replace all of these various items that we have drawn these out of our own stock. these haven't come from an assembly line to ukraine. they're coming from our units to ukrainian forces. >> general, let's talk about where -- about the united states military and where it is right now. of course, as you know better than most, because of your service in the military, and your public service, we americans are harshly critical of ourselves. constantly questioning whether we're doing enough, where we're falling short. i just want to stop in 2022 right now and look back over the past 20, 21 years of fighting. and seeing where we are, where our training and our weapons have made a huge difference in ukraine, but also you talked about afghanistan. the difference at 2500 soldiers and sailors, marines, airman made there. i think about syria.
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and i don't think anything about our withdraw from syria enough. that we had 2400 troops. >> we're still there and we need to stay. yes. >> we had 2500 troops that were effectively stopping the russians, the iranians were beating isis and pushing back when turkey needed to be pushed back upon. i want to talk about what we learned over the past 20 years and how we've gotten into a position, i think a historical position that maybe our politicians don't understand because we're so focused on the mistakes for past 20 years where you could put 2500 or 3,000 troops into a country like syria, a light foot print which is politically sustainable. talk about what we've learned. >> yep. yep, what you just captured is the key. and that is that we have to craft approaches, strategies that are sustainable in terms of the expenditure of our blood and treasure so that they could be sustained. and keep in mind, now to draw
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out what the united states has to do for the world, is unique. no other country has a responsible and missions that we have. we are the guy in the circus who is keeping more plates spinning than any other country out there. yes, we have partners and allies to help us do that and we should very much nurture those relationships and constantly build on them. but at the end of the day, we have to keep all of these plates spinning. there is a biggest plate out there which is the u.s. or the western/china relationship, that one can't fall. but we have to keep all of the other ones spinning as well. we just sent a few troops back to somalia. and president biden approved that. i agree with that. you have to keep an eye on these extremist groups wherever they are. and i think what we've learned, joe, the dramatic development of the past 20 years is we've figured out how we can, aided by
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an armada of drones and precision air attack and the infusion of intelligence, we could train and equip, advise and assist and enable host nation forces to do the fighting on the ground so that we don't have to do it the way we did in the surge in iraq or the height of the involvement in afghanistan both of which i was privileged to command. but over time we learned how to do this enabled by capabilities that we just didn't have when we started out, when we launched the invasion in iraq. we had one predator, one aircraft for three entire army divisions and we're all fighting over it all of the time. so this is dramatic. and we now have, yes, little pockets of forces all around africa, you're right in iraq and syria. and by the way, they need to stay there. because they are a critical element that enables these host nation forces to keep an eye on the islamic state and on al qaeda elements in various locations. we had an alternative in
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afghanistan, joe. we could have kept 2500 to 3500 troops there and added the contractors there and we pushed the sophisticated american helicopters on them which were the critical element in their whole defense strategy because you have a huge reserve, those helicopters get that capable to command and reserve out to the forces that are under attack. the minute those go away, the entire scheme, the concept is invalid. but this is a -- really quite revolutionary and we haven't i don't think completely internalized that. and by the way, we do have to then completely re-tool, re-equip and retrain for major combat operations with a peer competitor. we're not really seeing russia as a peer competitor in this session with the exception of certainly their nuclear force. this looks like the cold war
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battles that i trained for up to the time that i was a major or so when the wall came down. it is largely older equipment, yes there are some drones, yes there is some new capabilities an so on. but what we need to get ready for is dramatically different. that should be the focus of the force. but again, we have to keep all of these other plates spinning so we have to have a lot of other capabilities and well -- as well. and i think that is unique to the u.s. military. no other country has that responsibility and no other has that capability either. >> general, with sweden and finland being fast tracked into the nato alliance, i'm just curious if perhaps the comments that we're hearing from the foreign minister, nato is doing nothing, could be translated into what do we need to do to be a part of nato and i know that most experts say ukraine will not become a part nato or they were saying that at beginning of this war. but is that still -- is that
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still a comment that is for sure, for certain? i mean, what more would ukraine need to do to show that it is worthy of being a member of this alliance, this strategic alliance and this security alliance? >> well, i think it is shown that it is more than worthy. the question is whether it makes treatic sense to all of the countries of nato. and keep in mind that any one of them could veto it. we're reminded that because president erdogan is raising concerns about finland and sweden and how they allow turkish kurdish elements on their soil. those elements represent in some cases groups that both turkey and we have designated as terrorists, the bkk. and this reminds us, again, this is consensus, and you have to be very, very careful never to put a decision before the north atlantic council unless you've done a whip count already. you need to make sure that everybody is with this. and again i think we're get
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through this with president erdogan, president biden will engage him and ensure him and get the f-16 modernization package through finland and sweden and do something to mitigate the risks from what it is turkey alleged that they are doing and erdogan could be seen as being a strong nationalist leader in a turkey that is suffering real economic challenges and he's looking to an election next year with an opposition for the first time really united against him. so, again, are they worthy? absolutely they are worthy. i mean this is an incredible achievement by the ukrainian forces. they have truly performed extraordinarily well. in every regard. including, again, just the sheer creativity, the innovation, the resourcefulness as well that obviously the determination and just the resilience that they have demonstrated as well. but it is not about worthiness. it is about whether it makes sense to every one of the countries in the alliance and
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i'm not sure that that unity when it comes to that particular issue exists. and by the way, keep in mind that at the beginning, when the u.s. administration was moving slower than some on capitol hill thought they should, part tv was to make sure that putin was not able to drive a wedge between united states and some key nato allies in europe and you have to be careful of that. by the way, my big concern going forward when it comes to ukraine and support for ukraine, is whether the key leaders in europe can maintain sufficient domestic backing for what it is that they're doing as inflation starts to bite there, as prices of gasoline go up there and heating and so forth. there are challenges coming in europe. and it is going to be difficult, i think, for some of those leaders to keep their people with them and they're going to start saying understandably perhaps let's do some nation building at home and let's focus our resources on the challenges
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that we have here. as we have heard rightly. understandably in our own nation during the time that we are carrying out the wars in iraq and afghanistan. >> general, you mentioned your criticism of the biden administration over the pull out of afghanistan that left 13 american service members dead. we're seeing now a rollback slowly with the eyes of world on ukraine and rightly so. the taliban just last week announced women do have to wear burqas again, they have to cover their faces again and this is a new taliban and things will be different this time. they're rolling back the progress of the last 20 years. so my question to you is, as someone who has been critical and you were critical of the trump administration for the summit with the taliban as well. >> yes. >> what is your concern about afghanistan? >> well, the concern at this point, there are several of them. one, by the way, i just elevate to the top is that i feel we have a moral obligation to the tens of thousands, i think the state department believes there are more than 100,000 of the
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former battlefield interpreters and others who rick -- to risked this lives and experienced hardship alongside our soldiers and they did it for two years or more and qualify for a special immigrant visa. if you total these all up and the family members, this is what we told them, your probably over 100,000. no one left behind is documented well over 60,000. we have to get them out. we owe that to them. we told them, again, that if they did what we asked them to do, that we would take care of them if things got tough. and we have not. we left them behind. and then beyond that, of course, there are many, many others who didn't technically meet that particular criteria. but certainly, again, risk their lives and those of their families to help the cause that we're all engaged in together. that is a big deal. beyond that, obviously we have to be concerned about the resurgence of the islamic state
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there. there is the horisson group which is active in afghanistan and also in pakistan. it benefited from the taliban doing the jail breaks to kabul. they freed about a thousand of their fighters who were in detention by afghan forces. and they're stronger now, much stronger than they were prior to the taliban taking control. and they're engaged in quite a battle with the taliban now. almost every day. there are islamic state attacks. now chairman of the joints chiefs said rightly that as a year or more before we have to worry about them carrying out something beyond the borders. but that is a year to build back everything that we have lost. which is basically all of our bases in the central asian states, it is a lot of our source, our partners there, our allies on the ground and all of the rest of that. so all of this, again, now done over the horizon, which is very, very challenging, very costly.
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yes, we'll have some capabilities that will be in neighboring states and ultimately probably inside of afghanistan and in some fashion but we have to be very careful. this is where the 9/11 attacks were planned. when al qaeda had a sanctuary on the ground by the taliban which is the whole reason we went in and toppled the taliban regime in the first place. so that is a huge concern. and then there is an enormous humanitarian disaster in the making. starvation, and just basic deprivation is spreading very, very dramatically. the economy has completely collapsed. the taliban don't have the expertise or the savvy to how to fix that. they're completely dependent on a variety of humanitarian organizes to take care of their particular. particularly those in the cities. a lot of people flocked to the cities during the war economy that we help to build.
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and there is a lot of mistakes and short comings for which we need to take responsibility. but those are the major issues that exist. al qaeda is still certainly alive and in that pakistan, afghanistan area. but that capability is less worrisome really than the one that is presented by the islamic state which of course when it was in his heyday in caliphate in northern iraq and syria was encouraging and directed and facilitating attacks in europe some of which were quite serious. so i think those are the major issues there. i would come back to that one that should be at the top of our list which is that we need to honor our moral obligation to those we left behind. >> retired army general david petraeus, thank you very much for your time. fascinating conversation. >> great to be with you, mika and great to hear that you and joe will be at warsaw security
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forum. i'll see you there. >> there you go. getting a jump on that one. we'll see you there. we look forward to. thank you so much, sir. still ahead on "morning joe," a new warning that a large swath of the united states could face blackouts this summer. what is to blame and how can you prepare? plus, former new york city mayor bill de blasio has a big announcement he'll be making first right here on "morning joe." we'll be right back. when traders tell us how to make thinkorswim® even better, we listen. like jack. he wanted a streamlined version he could access anywhere, no download necessary. and kim. she wanted to execute a pre-set trade strategy in seconds.
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issues most voters want a candidate running in the midterms to focus on. that according to findings from a combination of nbc news polls. the analysis was of the popularity of more than two dozen positions, a candidate can take heading into the november elections. most important include funding the police, controlling inflation by reducing federal government spending, supporting expanding domestic oil and natural gas production. and supporting bipartisan infrastructure legislation. among the least popular positions, defunding the police, and being in favor of the supreme court overturning roe v. wade. >> well you look at funding the police, the most popular defunding the police, the least popular, a net difference of 56 percentage points. that is something that all democrats need to focus on. obviously we've had democrats on
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this show for several years now saying they don't support defunding of the police. they need to obviously underline that even more based on where voters are. speaking of based on where voters are, let' bring in the former new york city mayor bill de blasio who has an announcement for us this morning. mr. mayor, what is your announcement? >> joe, the poll shows people are hurting. they need help, they need help fast and they need leaders who could actually get them help now and know how to do it. i do know how to do it from years of serving the people of this city and i'm declaring my candidacy for new york and people need exactly the kinds of things that i focused on before. money back in your pocket. and we reduced income equality and taking a huge expanse off their plates, a very proud of
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having led this city out of the worst of the covid crisis. i'm ready right now to serve and address the issues that are so deep in communities in brooklyn and manhattan and i just wanted to come here, a place that i cherish and with you who have been such good friends to tell you this is the next step and i want to serve the people of the community that is my home and that i love. >> so, for those of us that do not have maps of new york's congressional district, complain to us where the 10th district of new york is. >> the 10th district is manhattan, south of 14th street, river to river. and it is a big swath of brooklyn. it is mainly brooklyn. starting downtown brooklyn and going through my neighborhood, park slope and much of the areas that i've represented since my days in the city council and into places like burrow park and
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kensington. so these are communities working class, middle class communities that have been hit to hard by covid, folks are feeling kitchen table issues. and fundamentally i believe they're looking for leaders that who could to washington and get some of the things that we need to lower costs. i never had in the time i was mayor, federal government that could help me and help the people of my city the way we deserve. we've got to get there. we have to fight for it. and it can be done. i want to go to congress to get the communities of this district, the help they need. and i also think we could change the discussion. i'm an optimistic person. i really am. no matter how many crisis we've been through in this extremely difficult time. we could turn things around but it begins with that determination to say we could fix it. people ask me this all of the time. are we ever going to get better at things, i say yes, we have to start with that determination.
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i saw with my own eyes, this city fight its way through covid and come back strong. i saw us able to do things that people said were impossible. they also said pre-k for all is impossible and we got it done for our children. you have to have a can-do spirit but also a fundamental belief that the good in us could make us better that we could get there. >> mr. mayor, good morning, congratulations on hopping into the race. let's get real new york 1 here and i say that with the utmost respect. new york one is the best. but new yorkers will say isn't that the district where jerry nadler serves and has been for a long time. because of the maps he's hopping over to a different district that covers his upper west side and other parts of the city. who will you be running against? what does your competition look like. >> this happened in the course of this week. there is a controversial redistricting process in the state as you've watched. we'll hear today from a judge
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what the final determination on the lines is but from what we know these will be the lines. this new soth district and a piece of manhattan. i don't know yet who all of the competitors will be. people have not made their final decision and i've made my decision and i will tell you i feel a far. i had the honor of serving everyone in the district over the last years. every single person it is been my honor to serve and get things done for. and over these last months, watching what is happening in this country, my fire is greater than ever to get in and help people and bring the experience i have to it. and i think a good congress members fietss in washington for major changes an brings home bacon and legislative victories but has to do the work on ground. you have to do the constituent services and you have to push city government and state government to deliver for people. you have to do it with a passion. i feel that passion. and i'm ready to serve.
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>> we just saw a series of -- we saw a series of polls that show that crime, the top issue. what do you say to new yorkers in lower manhattan across brooklyn that are sick and tires of crime rates going up? >> we're going to turn it around. that is what i say. we're going to turn it around because joe, as you've said just a few weeks ago on this show. we've driven down to the 1950s and we're going to do it again, i believe it. with the right investments, right investments in community, the right investments in police and particularly investments in bringing the two together. investments in community based solutions to violence like violence interrupters. covid through such a profound rench into everything. and just disrupted life and created a pain and suffering and a dislocation like nothing we've seen in the last century
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honestly. but we'll put it back together again. the fact is that we were the safest big city in america pre-pandemic. i'm absolutely convinced we'll get there again. but we need help from the federal government to do it. we need those investments. >> we look forward to watching your campaign. former new york city mayor bill de blasio now a candidate for congress. thank you very much. >> thank you, guys. >> thank you for coming on show. >> thank you. coming up, a dire new warning that a large stretch of the nation could face blackouts this summer. we'll be joining by one of the officials behind that report. but first, willie. what do you have planned for sunday today? >> joe, i think in particular will be excited. i have one jon hamm. done draper, the former star of mad men. but more importantly now one week from today, the top gun maverick sequel comes out. coy tell you it is phenomenal. i've seen it. he plays maverick's commanding officer. has a lot of push and pull with
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mav. tom cruise is amazing in the movie, it is getting great reviews and jon hamm talks about being a 15-year-old when the movie came out in 1986 and now having an out of body experience at his age starring alongside tom cruise in the sequel. coming up on nbc sunday today. and we'll be right back on "morning joe." ade me feel trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. this is where i want to be. call your doctor about sudden behavior changes or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report fever, confusion, stiff or uncontrollable muscle movements,
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top energy regulator, the north american electric reliable corporation and its president and ceo joins us now. boy, this stopped a lot of people in its tracks when your report came out a couple days ago. rolling blackouts across parts of the country. how likely is it? is it inevitable? is there something we can do to intervene to stop it? what all is going into? it. >> thank you, willie. it certainly is a sobering outlook for the summer. i wouldn't say it's inevitable, but it is probable that certain parts of the country will have energy supply problems this summer. that's a combination of above average temperatures which are forecast for most of the country, prolonged drought conditions in the western part of the country that will inhibit supply, and a changing grid which responds differently to different weather conditions than we've had before.
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>> so what can we do as a country? we know this is coming. you have raised the red flag. is there anything that can happen between now and these what you call likely blackouts to prevent them? >> well, it's hard to build a new generation in a short period of time. so the actions that we can take very quickly will be on the demand side. i think customers need to be prepared to listen to their energy officials if they call for conservation, to be as responsive as they can to help reduce demand during very high periods of consumption. i think to the extent that we can accelerate the development of new resources, particularly solar, which can be deployed very quickly across the country, would be a very big part of the equation. and longer-term we need to keep our eye on our ability to develop transmission, which will help unlock more generation for
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the electric grid and improve its resiliency and redundancy to be able to access different resources and power supply across the nation. >> when we had the tragedy on the texas grid last year during the cold winter months, it made a national conversation about the quality of our power grids. so if not preventing what's happening this summer, what structurally needs to happen soon in this country to make sure power gets where it needs to go? >> there are two or three things that have to be very high on the agenda. the first, as i mentioned, is the development of infrastructure, particularly electric transmission, which will be required to move power from where it can be generated to where it needs to be consumed. and that's been quite a challenge in this country for many years, but has to be part of the long-term equation for developing a resilient grid. the second issue we need to be very cognizant of is reinforcing
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the natural gas system. you mentioned the winter storm in texas last year, and the real headline there was the failure of the natural gas system and the electric system to be coordinated in how they operate and conspire the load. natural gas is a critical fuel for the electric grid now and it's the fuel that keeps the lights on. and i think it's very, very important that we continue to invest in the gas system and make sure that it's up to the needs of the electric grid to keep the lights on. those are probably the two most important things as we look forward. >> and as your report made waves this week, officials in texas quickly tried to reassure citizens there that the lights will stay on this summer. let's hope so. president and ceo of the north american electric reliability corporation, jim robb. thank you for the report and thanks for being with us this morning. we appreciate it. mika? >> thank you. now to a look at some of the morning papers across the
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country. we'll begin in alabama where the decatur daily breaks down the baby formula shortage and it's being felt locally there. they describe one mother who gave her 3 month old daughter a mix of baby cereal and formula in an attempt to stretch her supply, causing the baby to break out in a rash. lawmakers in washington have passed one bill to address the shortage, but as the first shipments from overseas are expected to arrive this weekend. the arizona daily star reports that state residents are quitting their jobs at a higher rate than the majority of the country. federal data shows that in march for every 1,000 people in arizona, 42 quit their jobs. florida was the only state with the higher, quote, quit rate. in oklahoma, the tulsa world details a bill passed by state lawmakers yesterday that could become the most restrictive abortion law in the nation. it prohibits abortion from the
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moment of fertilization, and allows private individuals to sue abortion providers and anyone who aids or abets the procedure. if governor kevin stitz signs the bill, it will take effect immediately. in michigan the detroit news has a front page story on what it's calling a bittersweet graduation at oxford high. 414 students whose senior year was defined by a mass shooting back in november that killed four and injured seven, walked across the stage to receive their diplomas yesterday. the class speaker was kylie o'sage, the last student to leave the hospital. she told her class mates, quote, when i think of an oxford wildcat, i think of being strong. and that does it for us this morning. have a great weekend, everyone.
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