tv Katy Tur Reports MSNBC May 20, 2022 11:00am-12:00pm PDT
it's good to be with you. i'm katy tur. we're now in the final hours of what's proven to be record breaking early voting ahead of next week's georgia primary. more than 560 georgians have already cast their ballot. it's up 189% to the current primary. brian kemp is facing a trump-backed primary challenger in david purdue. he was written off by republican political insiders nationally and in georgia.
msnbc political analyst elise georgia -- jordan. >> reporter: let's have a show of hands. who is going to vote in the primary? everyone's going to vote in the primary. who is going to vote for brian kemp? >> i'm undecided. >> i'm undecided, too. >> is anyone definitely going to vote for david perdue? >> i'm more leaning that way. >> reporter: why are you leaning that way? >> because perdue is a true businessman and we need somebody who knows how to run a business and i think if he had that ability, you can run a state because a state is a business. despite an enthusiastic
support are here and there, purdue has been all but abandoned by trump. according to several republicans who have spoken to him, he is ready to wash his hands of the georgia primary and distance himself from perdue before the votes are even counted. instead donald trump appears to be focused on his candidate in the too close to call republican senate primary in pennsylvania. tv's dr. oz is holding on to a razor thin margin over david mccormick. an automatic recount appears all but inevitable and trump is urging dr. oz to declare victory now and he's claiming the gop vote is rigged. joining me is dasha burns and blaine alexander in atlanta and political reporter mark caputo. let us get the state of things before we dive into the details.
blaine, what are you seeing there in georgia? >> reporter: we are seeing record breaking numbers. the line behind me tells the story. people are not deterred by an hour-plus wait, not deterred by 85-degree weather, which is what we're seeing today in georgia. we're looking at record breaking turnout every day. the latest number from the secretary of state's office show more than 655,000 people have come out and cast their ballots in person. that's in addition to some 30,000 plus or so absentee ballots cast. all of this is eclipsing the numbers we saw in 2020 and in 2018. here's what one voter told me earlier today. take a look. >> i think all elections are very important because no matter what the position, it impacts your every day life. i think a lot of people come out for presidential elections but they forget about the smaller ones. how the city actually runs, the
support services that we get, that is all determined by the smaller elections. so every election i can i try to come out and vote. >> katy, that enthusiasm we're seeing is on both sides of the baut. both sides of the ticket. more democrats have voted so far according to the secretary of state's numbers because that's where you're seeing the contested primary. governor brian kemp facing off against former senator david purdue. you see the split in the support. all across the board, all that i spoke to said they do support former president trump. they voted for him before and would vote for him again. when i talked to people who said they're supporting purdue, all of them point to the 2020 election and many say they still have, quote, questions about that. when i talk to kemp supporters
they more point to his record as to why they're supporting him. >> it's amazing to see those lines and turnout for a primary for a mid term. it really shows you how interested people are in who's running things. dasha, the race in pennsylvania, primary day, primary week, it seems like we are still a ways to go from determining a winner. >> that's exactly right, katie. we showed you yesterday how tedious it is to open those ballots. up have two envelopes, you have to flatten the ballot. here in philadelphia they're just about through the mail-in ballots, then they start on provisional ballots. though provisionals are ballots given to voters who maybe went to the wrong polling place or requested a mail-in ballot and then changed their minds and decided to go in person.
they have to check those voter registrations, look up every voter and make sure they're only voting once and then making sure their vote counts. so, yes, this does take time. pennsylvania is also unique in the way that they treat mail-in ballots. that is actually a decision that is held out by the gop legislature here. i talked to the philadelphia city commissioner about that. take a listen. the former president has told dr. oz he should declare victory, that there might be cheating here. can you explain why it's taking so long and it's not because of fraud but the process? >> it is taking so long because that is how the bill telling us how to do that was formed. in other counties across the country that have mail-in voting in such a large number, they are able to start earlier. unfortunately in pennsylvania we have no precanvas ability, required by law, we cannot start
until election day. we can't even begin to look at mail-in ballots until election day and that delays the process. >> reporter: so again, katy, there were attempts to change this rule back in 2020 to allow precanvassing of mailin ballot, which means preparing them to be counted, opening up the envelopes early. but they said, no, we are going to stick with what we have. the election workers, both sides, are preparing for a recount. last time philadelphia had a recount it cost taxpayers over $1 million. the candidate who is behind when a recount is triggered could say let's not do it. considering how much money both of these campaigns have spent, i don't think anyone is going to go down without a fight on this
one. >> mark, let's get into things. first up, i want to put up donald trump's post on truth social, which is why it took a little while for us to see it. "the pennsylvania oz race is ridiculous. how long does it take to count votes? france same day all paper had verified numbers in evening. u.s. is laughing stock o elections. stop finding votes in pennsylvania. rigged?" >> the party is not happy about this. this is terrible about what's happening. now he's doing it not with democratic voters, not with independent voters but actual registered republicans basically
cancelling their vote. you have the party chairs, former party chairs, there's a growing sense of weariness that just back it off, donald trump. and now in georgia you're starting to hear that more and more there. is this going to affect donald trump if he runs for president? donald trump is still by and away the central figure in the gop. he is the center of gravity around which it sort of rotates. until that changes, he's not damaged by this stuff. now in this case saying, hey -- >> it goes to show you, it's not
just about the party, it's about what he wants. you would think people would have seen this coming. there was a quote that it's the governor's race there. concern about the man that the gop wants for the primary or to run for governor in that state. he's just way too out there, way too into the idea the election is out there. he said "this is the most cockamamie election i've ever seen in my life" regarding donald trump's pick. this could potentially cause problems in the race as well, which the republicans thought was a winnable seat. >> it's not often you hear a broad array of sitting, current and former party chairs who are saying this guy is basically unelectable. that's what they're saying. if it's true or not, they're going to find out. it's not a very good environment
for democrats but doug mastriano has been a real lightning rod for controversy. he's also a colorful figure, he wears spurs on his loafers and has referred to him as spartacus when introducing himself. pennsylvania is getting so weird, it's becoming the new florida. we'll see if that continues. >> spurs on your loafers and spartacus. thank you very much. appreciate it. >> emails sent by ginny thomas, wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas in which she pressed lawmakers to disregard joe biden's victory. the message had been called for biden urged lawmakers to stand strong in the face of political and media pressure and fight back against fraud but did not
mention former president trump by name specifically. nbc news has not independently reviewed the emails. we're following several breaking developments out of the january 6th committee. the committee has on it and a batch of official white house photographs from the national archives that include from the day of the insurrection and former attorney general bill barr is in active negotiations with the panel on whether he will testify. the committee has given republican congressman barry loudermilk one week to explain a capitol tour he led last year. concerns rose that some republican lawmakers had given, quote, reconnaissance tours that helped people navigate the hallways and offices on the complex. the committee said they have evidence that directly contra ducts denials from loudermilk
and other house republicans. a bit of a grab bag for you. >> reporter: we've been very busy in our reporting over the last 24 hours. the committee is out with the new letter to the georgia congressman about how they want him to talk to them about the tour he is alleged to have led. the committee says they have testimony to the contrary. it's another example of where the committee has tangible witnesses where they are funneling into these letters making informed asks of their colleague in congress. this was a letter, not a subpoena. yet another example of a thread they are potentially trying to tie up before the public phase of those hearings. and then bill barr is a big fish for the committee. we seen this with rudy giuliani.
just because they're in talks to talk to the committee doesn't mean the talking actually happens. all this comes on june 9th where they want to set a visual narrative for the company on what happened on january 6th. my reporting mentioned that they now have photographs from the official white house photographers from the days leading up to january 6th as well as on the 6th itself. it does give a literal view into what the former president was doing on that day and we know that's a top concern for this committee, katy. >> photographs will at the very least tell this who might have been in the room with donald trump and who else they might want to talk to. >> hugely informative. thank you very much. >> and still ahead, the white house announces its first government flights to deliver baby formula from europe to the united states. how much is coming? and tom vilsack will enjoy me to discuss it all, whether we need to diversify the market.
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joining us. when the formula gets here, what's the process from unloading to store shelves? >> essentially it will be flown to a location in indiana. from there the fda will make sure it's distributed in the areas that have been identified as having shortages. that's the key right now. they have the information and the data and the information as to where supplies are most needed. it will be distributed via truck and other methods of transportation to get it to the places most in need. this is one of i suspect several flights that will take place as we see the abbott facility get back online and with the defense production act be able to produce formula in the very near future, designed to put formula on the shelves because we know how stressful it's been. >> so when will we see this on
the store shelves? >> i think the expectation is in a matter of days getting it distributed as best we can. the key is to make sure that folks understand and appreciate that we are taking every possible step to get formula on the shelves as quickly as possible. this is an unprecedented step the president has directed us to take and the usda are glad we can provide the financial sources to get this done. >> there's labelling issues, partially that the labels aren't written in english and parents might get the formulas for the formula wrong. how is the fda resolving that? >> i think the idea here is to make sure that product that's coming into the united states is as safe as the product that's produced here in the u.s. that is a challenge with reference to imports. so focusing on appropriate labelling, making sure if
imports are coming in that there's information that will be understandable by consumers here in the u.s. is incredibly. the reality is that sometimes it takes a little while for those flexibilities to kick in. congress recently passed legislation that gives us a few more tools in terms of the wic program, for example, that about 50% of the formula used is funneled through the wic program. so creating flexibility within wic will ensure us to deal with interruptions in the future in a way that's timely. >> does there need to be more diversity in the market? almost all of the formula we see in the united states comes from four major companies and most of that just one company, abbott. do we need to see more competition here? open up the market to imports more readily? what do you want to see? >> we want to have the at to have a resilient system.
when you have too few producers of a product and there's a major reduction, it creates a resiliency issue. we can still have a pretty competitive situation in going forward. and those that are currently in the business potentially expanding. we'll take a look at the way that we do business through the wic program to make sure we have the flebs incumbents in place so we're not faced with this kind of disruption in the future. >> are we going to open up to more imports? a lot of moms prefer what they can get from overseas because the health standards are in some ways higher and different overseas. a lot of ingredients that we get in formulas here are not present in the ones overseas.
are we going to open up the market to that now that we're bringing in formula from switzerland? >> that's a question the fda is going to take a look at. we are certainly opening up to imports at this time, making sure that which comes into this country is at the same level of safety. that's ultima thely the most important thing it make sure whatever supply we're getting, whether it's here in the u.s. or outside the u.s. is safe and secure for folks to use. >> abbott closed in february. february. should the administration have seen a shortage coming? >> well, we had responded immediately when the notice went out for the recall. usda took immediate steps within a matter of days to create the waivers that would allow for existing wic state agencies to be able to utilize these flexibilities to get product on the shelf.
the second part of this was opening up two imports. the third part was making sure the abbott facility could get back online as quickly as possible with the defense production act -- >> but the dpa didn't go into effect a few days ago. the plant closed in february and the shortage has been going on now for weeks with a lot of people sounding the alarm. i'm wondering when abbott closed its facility and knowing it hoose challenged the corner of the market, should there have been warnings, alarms raised that there could be an issue keeping formula from babies in this country? some babies have been hospitalized because they're not getting enough to eat. >> the first order of business was to get the recall in place. there were some tragic consequences as a result of formula that was not safe. the second part of the process was suns 50% of the formula is
to immediately provide the flexibility so folks could get it in a slightly different container or package but could get it. and the third piece was looking at how we could allow imports to come into the country in a safe and appropriate way. it took a and the defense production act is important because it allows them to get the ingredients to begin making product immediately. in the meantime, that's the reason why we are basically going to fly planes over to zurich, switzerland and pick up the 1.5 million 8 ounce containers and bring them to indiana to dis bought them so we put product on the shelf. >> secretary vilsack, thank you so much for being with us. i appreciate it. >> you got it. >> coming up, congress passed
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continue negotiations on finland and sweden's nato bids. joining me is foreign correspondent matt bradley in kyiv and here with me in new york is someone we've been speaking with since the first days of the war. she advises the ukrainian government and military and is director of programs at a ukrainian think tank. matt, what is the latest today? >> as you mentioned, 12 people who were killed in that shelling in the east, far away from where i am, it looks like the russians have made quite a few advances in the region and in the region of donbas. i think we can expect that now that they've wrapped up their operations in mariupol. more than 2,000 ukrainian troops have surrendered and are now in
russian custody. but we have to remember the bulk of all of those u.s. and other western munitions promised by western capitols are still on their way to the eastern part of the country. while we're going to start seeing russian troops moving from mariupol to elsewhere in the donbas region, trying to close that gap around luhansk in the eastern part of the country, we could also see the ukrainians effectively increasing their efforts and fighting back with brand new u.s. weapons. katy? >> matt, thank you very much. anna, you are here at the united states, you were at the u.n. today. you've also been talking to u.s. lawmakers. what is the message you are hearing? >> it is definitely the message of the total support, what is important for ukraine. that the understanding that the u.s. is paying the price and they see the results.
and they understand ukrainians are defending, we are not attacking and we would like to use this war for development but at the same time they see the difference between those monies and the aid that ukraine receives. and we hear a new village is liberated. that type of weapons that we are now expecting will be very important for liberating the south, but also going to the east to the luhansk and donetsk regions. >> did you get a sense of what the goal was were with the aid? >> it's definitely to allow ukrainians to defend themselves. they are fighting for the right to exist. that is an extension word. it not a territorial conflict. in the statement of the russian president, you're hearing it
necessary to eliminate ukrainians, they don't exis we understand not because somebody would lick to be hero but because we see what's happened as the area is being occupied by russians. and you remember bucha and urpine. in mariupol, 25,000 people already been killed by now. those are the numbers you can't imagine. that is the reality. that p that's why u.s. clearly understand the goal of these weapons. these weapons, each is the life of a new person. >> we saw footage from a ukrainian medic. now she's a captive of the russians. in one instance she's showing a brother and sister whose parents
died in a fire from shooting at the border and both kid were severely injured. the boy didn't make it, i don't know about the girl. you and i have spoken in emotional terms in the past about the toll of the war. we are in day 80 something and it's not leading every newscast any longer, we've allowed domestic issues here. do you worry that the longer this goes, the less support you're going to receive? >> as for now we don't have this feeling because we definitely started to go from the high politic level to the more practical level. now it is the time when the state department, the d.o.d., all others are expressing on the practical level what they need. after this being voted, we can be a little bit out about the news. we understand we are competing from the world's attention. ukrainians perfectly aware of this. and we will be the first to say
that we want this war to stop tomorrow, that that's no question. the question by what cost. and that is really important. >> let me ask you one other question. what is russia after this? how does the world or how does the united states more so in ukraine, how do you deal with russia when this is all over? can you deal with russia is vladimir putin is still in charge? >> that is the question will he be in charge? it's not up to us but i really think and we hear about interceptions from the soldiers captured how they thought about ukrainians in terms i couldn't imagine. but i know also there are other sides of russia and changes can happen -- ukraine really wants the accountability of russia. we understand if it would be a small negotiation or elite
fires, a lot one of their favorite slogans is we can repeat. and we are even seen -- a musily sent to ukraine, we can repeat. the u.s. is saying never again about the second world war. they are saying we can retime i mean, all kind of accountability can be important so both the country and the leadership can really fooe thanks so much for coming in to talk with us today. as we always say, good luck. >> thank you. >> and now exclusive roaring from nbc news. senior officials say they might not have enough money to deal with the border crisis. the number is expected to surge
even more if title 42 is lifted. joining me is julia ainsley. how much money does the administration think it needs? >> reporter: well, katy, we obtained these exclusive, internal documents and they map out different projections, that would be more than double what woor seeing now this on top of what they've already been appropriated by congress. they have other pro jeks if they get 10,000 crossings a day or 14,000 crossings a day. i've been told internally you're probably looking at something around 12,000 a day. either way they don't have enough funding to transport migrants to the border, have more space to process immigrants, make sure they have covid vaccinations and send them on their way. also if the plane is trying to
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while the cdc is calling it an emerging issue, my next guest says this is the most important outbreak in the try of monkeypox in the warren hemisphere. joining me is professor of epidemiology. she has been working on monkeypox for 20 years. thank you for joining us? >> monkeypox is a viral zoonautic illness. we're seeing clusters in places all over the globe. i actually would maybe revise
that statement to say that it probably going to be the most significant outbreak globally that we have seen to date. we've seen importations of a case here, a case there, did have cases here in the united states in 2003 but they were all centered in a single area and all traced back to importation of gambian rats from ghana that infected prairie dogs and went on to infect the prairie dog owners. so this is a very unique situation. we're seeing cases all over the place. we don't know how they may be linked, if it's a common source or multiple sources. so early days, still a lot to learn. >> how contagious. how do you get it? >> monkeypox is -- just relatively speaking, monkeypox, as we know it, is much less contagious than something like
covid. it's something passed generally from close contact from one person to another. as we understand the virus and i say that because of course as we've learned from sars covid 2, things can change and i'm telling you now based on the data and the research done in west africa, central africa and the few cases that have happened in the united states that it generally close contact. so respiratory droplets, contact with people who have monkeypox, the lesions are very contagious, the fluid in the legions are very contagious. bodily fluids. also contaminated object, so bed clothes, linens, towels. you can have inat mat objects carry the virus and then transmit it to others. so there are multiple ways that this virus can spread.
but generally speaking close contact. >> doctor, thank you very much for coming on and giving us what we need to know about it. appreciate it. >> and the nation's strictest abortion bill is headed to oklahoma's government desk. it would be enforced by private individuals who could sue abortion providers and anyone who aids or abets an abortion or plans to. it would take immediate effect once becoming law. in neighboring texas, a six-week ban went into effect last year. joining me is senior counsel for the center for preproductive rights and the center fighting
the texas ban. it allows citizens to point out people and say i believe they had an abortion, i believe they are thinking of helping somebody with an abortion and i'm going to sue. what are you concerned about? >> that's right. three weeks ago they enacted a texas-style ban, vigilante law, that bans abortion at six weeks, which is before many people even know they're pregnant. and that wasn't cruel enough and these oklahoma politicians have
made a total ban on abortion and people across the country, anyone can sue over if they suspect that someone has gotten an abortion in violation of this new law, this is the most cruel and extreme abortion ban. oklahoma is now poised to become the first state to pass and allow a total ban on abortion to go in effect since roe. >> so the bill sponsor, and i want to get clarity on this because i had a conversation earlier in the day about it and i don't think we were that clear. the bill sponsor said ivf was on purpose taken out of this bill because it would be too complicated. but the bill's language, even if it's not in the bill, is it language broad enough to make it a complicated issue if you have embryos in that state, fertilized eggs in that state?
>> that's exactly right. so this ban bans abortion from the moment of fertilization. fertilizing multiple eggs is a part of ivf. the problem is when you combine that definition of abortion beg fertilization together with this vigilante scheme, the author of the bill might have their own idea of what this law bans, but anybody can decide, oh, you had an ivf procedure, i think that might be illegal. i'm going to sue and force you now to come into court and defend yourself over that ivf procedure. and that's just the beginning of the pandora's box this law opens. miscarriages could be treated the same way. a patient who has a miscarriage, if their neighbor or if a disapproving family member decides, i think you may have had an abortion, they might try to sue and force you into court to try to prove, no, no, this was a miscarriage, not an
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