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♪ ♪ ♪ good morning and welcome to the cross connection. i am katie fang filling in for tiffany cross the saturday morning. it has been a busy week. here's the latest. two sources familiar with the matter tell nbc news that rudy giuliani testified virtually before the january 6th committee yesterday for approximately nine hours. the former new york mayor oversaw a court to overturn the oh trying 20 reelection results. he is far from his efforts. emails obtained from the washington post revealed that the wife of clarence thomas's sent emails to pressure arizona lawmakers to set aside the 2020 victory in an attempt to overturn the results. urging them to quote actually take action to ensure that a
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clean slate of actors is chosen. she did not respond very comment. she is under scrutiny for similar text as she said to chief of staff mark meadows around the same time. this has renewed questions about potential conflicts of interest for justice thomas. also, remember this? >> i also intend to see that those members of congress are embedded. those members who had groups coming through the capitol that i saw on january 5th, our common sense for the next day, those members of congress that incited this violent crowd, those members of congress that attempted to help the president undermine our democracy. i'm going to see that they are held accountable, and if necessary, ensure that they do not serve in congress. >> republicans on the house administration committee, then allegedly reviewed security footage and denied that there was any tours in the days before the attack. in a new letter, loudermilk
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calls a claim into quote that this contradicts it. -- they ask for meeting with him laws next week. there is more about bill barr and the death threats to the secretary of state. let's turn now to our experts. with me this morning are a mess and is nbc u.s. attorney and it cost of the podcast citrus and law, joyce vance. and former prosecutor and host of the justice matters podcast, her shirt. good morning to both of you. glenn, let's start with you. breaking committee news from last night about giuliani, what do you think he decided to testify when so many of the inner circle said i'm not doing it, especially after rudy said he would not do it if it was not going to be recorded? >> katie, i'm not sure if there is a cause in effect at play. what have we learned in recent days? the department of justice has requested all of the
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transcripts from the january six committee from the 1000-plus witnesses that have appeared before the committee and appeared to give testimony. all of a sudden, what have we learned? we learned that bill barr has apparently agreed to talk to the committee and now we know that rudy giuliani has testified to the committee for nine hours. is there a cause and effect in play here? there may be. and one thing that surprises me most about rudy giuliani testifying is that he did it at all. i fully expected that he would continue to offer privileges, whether legitimate or otherwise, but he might have some legitimate attorney client privileges with regard to his representation of donald trump. he could assert a privilege claim, although this would be weak. there was one privilege claim that he absolutely has. it is the fifth amendment right against self incrimination. we know that he is still under
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investigation by the southern district of new york after a federal judge issued a warrant concluding that there was probable cause to believe there was evidence of crime in his our trunk devices. i do not know with the substance of the testimony was yesterday. i would be surprised if he did not try to assert a whole bunch of privileges. >> i would also be surprised if it was lucid incompetent. the washington post is reporting that the clarence thomas wife's sent emails to put aside the victory for biden and put through a clean slate of electors. this was according to the emails they obtained at the washington post. we already know about the mark meadows techs. why is this not news enough. or new news enough to put her in in an interview sea to answer questions? >> it should put ginni thomas in an interview seat, probably from the committee, certainly from the justice department. katie, we live in a world where
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there is sensitivity surrounding supreme court justices and their families. i think it will be difficult, frankly, for people to navigate these issues. it should in fact be simple. if jeanie thomas was anyone else with the sort of knowledge that she has displayed on multiple issues, investigators would sit down and have a chat with her, not necessarily that she is a target for investigation. they would want to know that she knows what she knows. there's an incredible coincidence that she is out pushing this scheme that we know, ultimately, comes to fruition with those closest to trump. there is a scheme to create blank slates of electors. the ones that are not the choice of the people. they are pansies for the former president. people who are supposed to go in and do his work for him. that is a little too close for comfort that coincidence. that warrants further investigation. >> the important is important. it is not just the insurrection leading up to january 6th.
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it's not just the violence. it is the violence on disarming the vote for the people. i want to stay on this issue of justice thomas. he has laid the blame the reduction of trust in a supreme court on the draft leak. in light of these continuous revelations of the whites extensive involvement in january six, shouldn't chief justice roberts bench clarence from any cases dealing with the insurrection or the 2020 election? >> he should. as joy said, the simple answers are not often the answers we seem to pursue. i believe we tend to overthink these things. does the chief justice have the power, authority, to bench one of the other justices? probably not. if the chief justice roberts takes seriously the eroding trust that the american people have in the supreme court and the confidence that it can rise above partisan politics and do
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its job of dispensing justice equally and fairly on behalf of the american people, then he better do something. congress does not have a whole lot of power would've cubs to installing regulations, or rules, governing supreme court justice behavior. it is up to the supreme court itself to police its own misbehavior or bad actors. thus far, it is falling down on the job. i think chief justice roberts better do whatever he can do to make sure of the public's perception of the legitimacy of the supreme court. >> you reports say that bill barr may testify before the committee. we talked about it into the intro of this segment. what do you think barr would be willing to tell the committee, and how self serving do you think this testimony would end up being? >> it will likely be enormously self serving. barr knows that the one path
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forward he cannot take is to completely fly out with the authority. that is the one path forward that gets people in trouble with the justice department. it is important to remember that as the attorney general, he was not the president's lawyer. there was no attorney client relationship. he might have executive privileges that he would be able to assert, but what you are interested in hearing from bill barr's, why did you leave when you did? he left just a few days before christmas saying that he wanted to spend more time with his family, this is a point of year where doj's shuts down for those last couple of weeks. people go home to take that time with their families. that never rang true. the other issue that bill barr when forthcoming could provide information on, is president trump's state of mind. barr was one of the officials who said that we have looked with no fraud involved in this election. essential issue is whether trump understood that there was
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no fraud and continue to try to hang on to power. bill barr, if you wanted to, could shed a lot of light on that if you wanted to. it is not likely that we will hear much from apparent truth from the former attorney general. he has too much invested in the persona that he has created, his ties to folks on the trump side of the equation. i think he will try to tap dance a straight line up the middle. >> the january six committee has been a busy. the other news that we talked about is based on georgia representative loudermilk. we do not know if we have evidence of congressman loudermilk giving the tour. he released a statement, which is not a denial, about giving a tour to a can family. they are due diligence in the investigation. we have the hearings coming up in june. does this news about loudermilk lead you to believe that there is more to the story about these tours? >> there clearly is something there, katie.
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16 months ago congressman louder said that i gave no reconnaissance tours. then, when he seems to be caught, at least based on the january six committee's assertion that we have the tapes, we have the goods, and we want you to come in an interview with us, he issues another statement that says, i gave a tour on january 5th which is the day before. trust me, it was on the up and up. it was a family. i do not know if that was a euphemism for insurrection. we will find out. why did he hide for 16 months the fact that at a time, the protocols for capitol covid had the capitol shut down to these tours? why did he feel of the need to give one on january 5th and and hide this for 16 months. the only remaining question is will he continue to conceal relevant information from the committee or will he comply with the committees request and testify?
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>> joyce, glenn, myself, are all former prosecutors. we know with the consciousness of guilt is. thank you glenn enjoys for being with me this morning. i appreciate you. coming up, with the and come over next primary in just the next primaries and a few days just a few days and tuesday,, we will we're gonna check in with check in with jamie harrison. we dnc chair will get his take on where democrats and get a steak on where stand on as democrats stand keep it here. the milk elections draw close -- ns draw clos -- est 5g network. but, they don't. they only cover select cities with 5g. so, for me and the hundreds of drivers in my fleet, staying connected, cutting downtime, and delivering on time depends on t-mobile 5g. and with coverage of over 96% of interstate highway miles, they've got us covered. (vo) unconventional thinking delivers four times the 5g coverage of verizon. and it's ready right now. t-mobile for business. what happens when performance... meets power? you try crazy things...
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some questions about why the suspect involved was arrested multiple times and not held. you may have noticed i am not
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john fetterman. the next senator of our great state. john had a little hiccup, on friday, while we are on the road campaigning. he wants to know the people he is serving, he feels a responsibility to each and every one of them. and he fights for people like he fights for a neighbor, like you fight for his family. that is what makes john different. and that is what makes it tough
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enough to fight for pennsylvania. >> pennsylvania, lieutenant governor john fetterman won the states democratic nomination for the senate just days after suffering a stroke. but who will go up against him in the general is anyone's guess with the republican primaries still too close to call. the next primaries are this tuesday, and the biggest contests to watch are in georgia. early voting there closed on friday, in even with the peach shades new voting restrictions, georgia voters smashed turnout records. joining me now to discuss what is at stake for democratic voters is the dnc chairman, jaime harrison. good morning jaime. thanks for being here. right at the top, what's your reaction to this past primaries results? give us an idea of how it has left you feeling right now. >> i'm emboldened because of the strong candidates that we have running, particularly as we see in pennsylvania, north carolina, for the united states senate. where we know that this election cycle is going to be really really important in terms of determining the
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control of the u.s. senate. and whether or not democrats can keep their majorities, and add to those majorities, so that we can get more of the presidents agenda passed. so much we have passed out of the house, awaiting the presidents integer but for the senate. we can't get those bills out, and so we have got two great candidates in pennsylvania north carolina, and we've seen the extreme coming out of the republican party. these ultra maga republicans. i think doug mastriano who is the governor of the republican can is the typical of what you see for the part. or this is a guy who is qanon, believes in january 6th. he was a part of the january 6th coup attempt. and he believes in the big lie. there is no place in american government for these types of folks, and that is why it is so important to everybody to go and vote this november. >> so jamie, part of the reason
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why we focus on the january six insurrection is putting aside it was a historic event, is the fact that the messaging has to have changed since that date. do you think the democrats of actually taken up the mantle to be able to tell voters out there that if you don't get out and vote, and if you don't actually exercise your right to vote, you can see something like the january six insurrection and this votes being stolen from legitimate winners like joe biden happen again? >> you know, i think people need to step back and think about this. january 6th is a part, is one piece of a big puzzle that we see coming out of the republican party. this party, the republican party, is turned into a party that is built on fraud, on fear, and fascism. you think about january 6th, and what it looks like. we have never seen anything like that in american history. take place. but in addition to that, don't use that is just one single thing. think about the other things that republicans are doing right now in this country. they are trying to suppress the right of freedom of speech. they are banning books right
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now. they are in florida they are trying to keep people from saying certain words. they are oppressing people in terms of their votes at the ballot box, they are going after women's rights to control their bodies and privacy rights. this is a full frontal assault on democracy, coming from the republican party. it is something that you would see in a place like russia. right now, you have conservatives having a big conservative brouhaha over in hungry. well the reason that they are having that in hungry, is because i can't have it in russia right now. i mean this is the republican party that is more hard on mickey mouse and they are on vladimir putin. and so for the american people, they need to understand. there's a contrast in this election. do you want to secure american democracy? if you want to do that, then you need to vote for the democratic party. but if you want to go down the route of a vladimir putin, of all of these desperate's and fascism, go ahead and look at
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the republican party. because that is who they are right now. >> but jamie, do you think that actual distinction of how important these primaries are, and the vote is going to be, is actually resonating with voters who are struggling financially right now, that are dealing with inflation, that are worried about their rights being at stake? do you really think that they are hearing the message that you are delivering right now with us? >> i think a lot of people are hearing, but a lot of folks are starting to open up to listen to this message and understand what is at stake. and part of our charge as democratic party over the course of the next few months and weeks, it's to make sure that we go out there and make that case, that we go around the country. just this week i was in arkansas i was, in florida i did a town hall last night in north carolina. it is important that we get around this country and have these conversations with the american people. because it is not just a pocketbook issue, it is about who we are as citizens, that have impacts on our family and our lives. for generations to come.
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it is really really important, that folks understand. that before i fell as you go, i have less than a minute. i do want to ask you. i'm talking about going around the country. let's talk about georgia. georgia primaries are coming up on tuesday. the state has been a focus for a while now. tell us what is at stake for georgia this time around in these elections? >> the couple who you have. you have the ultra ultra right wing running through the nominations in the republican party. you have two great candidates on the democratic side in terms of worn and asi abrams for governor. it is a stark contrast. in georgia, the governor wants to let people walk around without having their guns being registered. they are trying to out-write each other every second of the way. this is a walking disaster. he put a gun up to his own head
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and go into the united states senate represent georgia. no. we cannot do that. we need to make sure that we stand up for our families and our communities. this means not letting the ultra right wing people go to washington d.c. to represent us. >> jaime harrison, i thank you for your time. thank you for your advocacy. we look forward to seeing you from state to state. thank you. coming up next, oklahoma legislator just passed the strictest abortion ban. now, abortion providers across the country are looking at ways that they can advocate for women tells without getting sued, find, or shut down. we will talk about it on the other side of this break. of this break s fast... get decision tech from fidelity. [ cellphone vibrates ] you'll get proactive alerts for market events before they happen... and insights on every buy and sell decision. with zero-commission online u.s. stock and etf trades.
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legislator passed one of the most extreme abortion bans in the country. it is a band that will outlaw abortion from the moment of fertilization.
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think about that for a second. from the moment of fertilization. it is outrageous and it is just the latest in a series of extreme laws across the country. >> vice president kamala harris spoke to abortion providers on thursday after a legislator in oklahoma past what could be the strictest abortion ban in the country. it prohibits all abortions from the moment of fertilization with exceptions only of a murder cull emergencies and victims of rape or incest if the crimes are reported to law enforcement. it allows for private citizens to sue abortion providers or anyone who aids on abortion. joining me is a colleen make nicholas, the chief medic lapis officer at planned parenthood in the south missouri region. she was also at that virtual meeting with vice president harris on thursday. doctor, the new book bill in oklahoma defines an unborn
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child as on as a human fetus or embryo of any stage in gestation from fertilization to birth. that the ban affect people who are choosing to use in vitro fertilization also known as ivf? >> the trick is this is one of the most extreme bands that we have seen so far. the whole repercussions of this legislation are yet to be seen. it is important to think about the nuance of each state. each bands will have a different impact at each level. the truth is what we know is that it is a race to the bottom. who can be the most extreme. practicing and mystery, we held that title for a long time. now we have some competition. one of the things i will say specifically about oklahoma is that fertilization happens before pregnancy. pregnancy requires implementation. now we move beyond just banning abortion for pregnancy. now we banned abortion before
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you are even pregnant. >> to your point, it creates a slippery slope that you are not going to be able to determine unless it is done on a factual basis. when this happens, it is usually supposed to be colour-blind, race blind. we know that is not going to be the case. do you have a concern as a medical provider that there is going to be exposure not only to the women who are undergoing these tragic health issues, but also the medical providers themselves that are going to have to ask themselves do i do this because i run the risk of getting prosecuted or sued for what i am doing? >> one of the most important and tragic aspects of legislators influencing medicine this way is that they use language and concepts that are irrelevant as providers back here. when you take this in context with the reality of a political landscape that is so egregious, so aggressive, we are talking about positions where you face a reality where they know with the right care is, they have a
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skill set to provide the care, but they are so far to do so because ten years from now, five years from now, next month, as someone might look at that and decide i did not want to to have an abortion. it isn't on it a tangible information. >> i want to talk to congresswoman bush talk about her personal abortion stories. this is the reproductive rights that happen this week. take a listen. >> when i was 17 years old i was raped. weeks later i found out that i was pregnant. without the protections afforded to me by roe v. wade, i would have been forced to birth a human being that i could not take care of, and the father would have been my rapist. the emotional devastation of this encounter was traumatic. i did not know if it was my fault, i did not know what to do. did i do something wrong? i had not consented but i blamed myself. the stress of possibly having a
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child at 18 was more than i could bear. >> these are powerful stories that we're hearing, doctor, in this new bill, they will be banned unless they have been reported to law enforcement. even after suffering a traumatic event as rape or incest, now you are forced to repeat reported even if you do not want to see criminal justice. how does any of this square with medical reasons in order to seek an abortion? >> one of the most important things to list is that we know that even when people report their sexual assault and the violence has been committed against them, there is such an inadequate response. there is so many reasons that folks do not report that rape or violence. it is traumatizing to them. as physicians, as providers, clinicians, those who provide abortion care, really just approach and our patient as individuals.
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these are real people with real struggles. they need real basic health clear and abortion is included in that. at this moment, we deserve real and bold leadership. we can have. this we can make a difference. we all have to get out of this now. >> we would require people to have basic understanding. republicans are showing the lack of understanding of when we're abortions of warm during the wednesday hearing. let's see what mike johnson asked a doctor on the witness stand. >> do you support the right of a woman who is seconds away from birthing a healthy child to have an abortion? >> i think that the question you are asking does not realistically reflect abortion care. >> in that scenario, would you support her right to abort the child. >> i do not support that. >> but you are a medical doctor. >> i am a medical doctor and has never happened.
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>> she stood her ground and said you're an idiot, you don't know what you're doing. she said it more polite than me. but they are spreading misinformation into a congressional art form. walk-in health care providers do to combat this information? >> doctor roy brunson is one of our most prolific and articulate advocates for abortion rights. we were all watching her and cheering her on on that congressional hearing, for sure. you are right. for a long time antiabortion extremists had used legislator to put forward their misinformation campaign. they cry to the public for a scenario where they do not trust public health. but youth is that we are seeing the repercussions of that in other areas now. responses to a pandemic, for example. i think it is critical that we, professionals, stand up and really make it clear. medicine is to be practice in a
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room with a patient and physician. there is no space in the exam room for legislators, especially those who know nothing about the care that we are providing. >> i thank you for your time and insight, doctor colin. coming up, the buffalo supermarket where a racist massacre took place last week, listen, it was the only accessible grocery store in a predominantly black neighborhood. now it is closed. i'm going to talk to new york state assemblywoman, stokes, about an issue that goes beyond buffalo after the break. after the break. a secret aioli... clean ingredients... in a buttery brioche roll. made fresh, to leave you... speechless. panera's new chef's chicken sandwiches. $1 delivery fee on our app. bipolar depression. it made me feel trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce
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that racist young man took my mother away. how dare you! >> one week ago today horrific, racist, and senseless shooting took place at a supermarket in buffalo, new york, a killing ten people. as the heartbreaking funerals began for the victims, the tragedy is also highlighting a phenomenon of a food deserts, areas where residents have few convenient or affordable options for healthy food. the tops supermarket in buffalo where the sub shooting took place, is not only a community hub, but the only accessible supermarket in an area where more than 80% of the residents are black and the median household income is less than $20,000. joining me now is the majority leader of the new york state assembly women crystal peoples
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spokes. i had the pleasure speaking to you a few days ago. the first question i asked you is when i'm going to ask you now. how are you doing? please share with us how the community is doing as it is grieving. >> honestly, i am still in a lot of grief. there's a lot in this community. we are working through it. there are grief counselors on the location at two separate locations on jefferson avenue. people are helping themselves to the service. clearly, it is the herd that you cannot get through on your own sometimes. we are going to make it. you grew up in this neighborhood. >> this is where the shooting took place in buffalo. you start as an assembly woman in 2003 when the tops supermarket was opened. there is a new poll out this morning from the washington post that says that three quarters of black americans are
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worried that they or someone they love will be attacked because of the race. in light of the fact that the shooter drove for hours across hundreds of miles to commit a crime, it is also the feeling that you are receiving from the people in the community where you are on the ground? >> i think some people are very fearful. they are concerned. the fear has been put in them. they are scared. they are not going to be pushed rogue from the communities. this gentleman was raised in hate. it was made online during covid. it is an accepted. no one is going to run or be afraid to live in the community because of that type of ignorance. it hurts, yes it does. it is a miracle but it has been
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racist since we arrived. >> this idea has to be the most painful that the idea that race america's been racist since you arrived. has there been any discussions within the community in buffalo where this has happened, about how to pick up the pieces and how to actually do something to make a change to make sure that something like this doesn't happen again? >> there are a number of conversations that are being held as it relates to building up the services in the community. they want to get the market back open, allow for additional development in and around the avenue. there are conversations about banning the use of a full body armor. there's always conversations about gun control. i am not so sure that this is a necessary legislative issue. i think it is a morality issue. there's something wrong with the morals of people who believe that they are in a better position or superior position. god is not a respect or a
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person. they should not be either. i am a descendant of people who made it through the middle passage. i am still here and growing. everything that they have done in this country to try to hold down black people has not been successful. i do not think that they are going to be successful this time. >> assemblywoman, with that in mind, what are you doing in terms of trying to make sure that is not just a conversation that you and i have with viewers that are listening, but that there is an actual change that has to occur. if there's an issue of morality, an issue of making sure that the principal right thing is done, what's and who can make sure this change happens? >> by the way, i think that the leaders of this change should be white people. i am not the one with the problem. i love because i am cherished and loved. i do not like what you've done, i do not like how you treat my people, i'm not going to hit you because you hate me. you're the one we need to start that conversation. frankly, i have listened to
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some of my colleagues in government who were starting to deal with this issue. the president, even when he was here, he called it for what it was. it is a poison. you cannot legislate a poison out of someone's house. this has to come from within. i think that there are people in the evangelistic church movements there are people who are in leadership positions who should be needing this discussion so that they can stop growing children who learned to hate. hate does not come to you when you are born. you are taught that. at some point, they have to be taught to not hate. that is not something that i can do for them. i am teaching my people, my, children my family, not to be helpful, hurtful. treat people like you want to be treated. they treat people like you want to be treated. then it has to come from the white community. i hope that i will stand up to that. >> we unfortunately will have
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to let you go. can you tell us what is going on in terms of these services for the families and the next of kin that are there. >> i'm sure you know that there are a number of funerals that have started to be held. people from all over the country have poured out their hearts to buffalo. we are grateful for that. families do not have to worry about funeral cause, they do not have to worry about support for the family after the funeral is over. the resources are available. this is for state government, and city government that have moved -- in the future, we should look ahead located those services permanently in the community. there's only like 10,600 people who live in 208. there are ice 1 million people who frequent the area. i can see services being delivered but on that step of jefferson avenue into the future. the general manager of the new
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yellow and orange. for areas currently with high covid levels, those in orange, we urge local leaders to encourage the use of prevention set strategies like masking in public indoor settings and increasing access to testing and treatment. >> it is not over yet, folks. the administration urges folks to mask up in a high-end medium covid transmission, which
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covers one third of the country's population. joining me now is doctor van gupta, msnbc medical contributor, immunologist, and faculty member at the institute of health metrics and evaluation at the university of washington. doctor, given what we have heard this week, what are you are committing to people as far as wearing masks and gathering with others? >> katie, great to see you, good morning. fundamentally, the message has not changed. we are underestimating cases. we are only testing and reporting one tenth of the cases that are probably or curling across the country. people are testing at home. they are not testing behaviors. behaviors have changed. it is important to keep this in mind when we talk about case loads increasing. we are only capturing a small fraction. it still goes down to individual risk. hospitalizations have climbed a bit. they are not at the levels that we have seen at the worst. deaths are coming down. this is all timidly good news.
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for the next 4 to 5 months, into the early fall, we should hopefully see these dynamics play out. hospitals will make -- remain on stressed. this is the goal here. this is where vaccines do. they keep people out of the hospital. when it comes to masking, if you are high-risk medically, absolutely mask in indoor settings like grocery stores, malls, a theaters, planes. for everyone else, i would recommend that even for a mild covid, i'm sure it is a big deal. they cannot go to work. they are laying in bed. i personally do not want that. i mask as well. it is an individual decision prompted by medical risk. if you are high-risk medically please be vigilant. >> doctor gupta, what do you say the people who are pushing back and say that they are done. covid fatigue, i'm done with the mask, i got my vaccines, i don't understand why i have to do this? what is your response for this
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type of pushback? >> it is individual risk assessment, katie. there are no mandates. we are not going back to an era where we are going to have mask mandates. it is on the invite individual. so the individual that says that they are done and fatigued, again, they can make their own decisions. they are not subject to a mandate. hopefully they have been vaccinated and they are updated with the vaccines and boosters. hopefully they will have great access to treatments and they should make a plan if they are medically high risk with their doctor to access treatment if they need to. it is important to have this conversation with your primary care doctor. again, no one is subject to a mandate right now in the united states. the scenario does not need to play out. >> doctor gupta, the cdc has now approved the booster for children ages 5 to 11. do you think we are ever going to see a vaccine for children who are going to be younger than five? >> i do. i suspect that the fda and cdc are going to move very quickly in the month of june, once all
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the data is submitted. this is what they have time to review the data. they have just finished submitting data in may. it takes a few weeks for the process to occur. i suspect that in june we are going to see an indication for under five, and potentially from moderna first and then pfizer. this process is only as fast as the data gets admitted to d.c. shipped. -- >> we have a minute left. i need to ask you about monkeypox. what is it? is it something people need to worry about? >> it is another virus, katie. it is a contagious virus. it is in the same family of a smallpox. it is similar but different then chicken pox. it can cause fever, lymph nodes to swell up, cough. it can be quite deadly in those affected. it is not transmissible as covid-19. it does not get transferred over large football field and
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tiny particles. it is not as contagious as covid. i suspect it is not going to cause anything like an epidemic or a pandemic. it is not as contagious. we do not think that it is possible to be asymptomatic infected with monkeypox. if you're infected, you are sick. you will likely know you are sick. you will stay home. unlike covid, asymptomatic affection is a lot in common. you can pass on to eight other people. that is why it is costing global pandemic monkey talks not much. it is something to keep an eye out on. it will not be the same type of drug. >> i'm going to practice medicine without a license and say that the mask will help with the covid, mask will help with monkeypox, so maybe we should wear that. thank you doctor van gupta for being here this morning. i appreciated. coming up in the next hour, voters will head to the polls this tuesday in states like georgia and alabama. these are key primary races.
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the 45th president of the united states, john donald j. trump ladies in. gentlemen >> i want to thank president donald j trump. , and his entire family. >> let's start with 45. president trump. >> president trump after he endorsed, me continue to lead into this race in pennsylvania. donald trump's endorsement couldn't save everyone. after a series of scandals, just a few weeks before, representative matt if cawthorn lost his north carolina congressional seat.
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in pennsylvania, the republican senate primary is still too close to call and likely had to a recount. intrude on all trump fashion, he has already encouraged candidate doctor -- oz to declare victory. now all eyes are turning to georgia where the tremendous that to continue this tuesday. on friday, donald trump denied reports that he is giving up on former senator david perdue. in georgia's republican gubernatorial primary. pretty was trailing way behind brian kept in the latest fox poll. trump is also backing senate candidate informal football great, partial walker. and in the republican primary, for georgia secretary of state, trump has endorsed election deniers congressman jody hice. he is challenging the incumbent, brad raskin berger, who you may remember famously rejected trump's attempt to overturn turn the 2020 results georgia. turning now to discuss this, is democratic pollster fernand armand the editor at large for the 90 aaron hayes. great to start up airline
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o'clock hour. erin, i want to start with. you trump's been able to claim victory in majority of his endorsements, but their reports now that he is going to start moving off making more endorsements for the upcoming primaries. why do you think he is backing off on the doors months? i mean, he loves that spotlight just much as the next. >> well you know, katie, far be it for me to try to predict which way the former president is going to blow in terms of who he wants to lend our taking support away from. but i think there could be a couple of factors at play here. one, obviously you have a lot of the key primaries having already taken place by the end of these this month, particularly to the probably well out of the former presidents sites. on top about pennsylvania, and package order. places where he kind of focused the big lie. urging officials in those states to really overturn the election in his favor.
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you have a candidate on the ballot now that trump endorsed an 11th hour. he said he would've done that in 2020, and in fact will if he is able to claim the government to see this fall, the able to appoint the secretary of state by the time we get to 2024, so look at that mean if you have the former president running for election in just two more. years obviously he's got a huge grudge against the current governor brian kemp, who is looking like he is probably headed back to his party's nomination for governor. but you also have brad raffensperger who's running for reelection for secretary of state, who refused to go along with the big lie. and now he faces a challenge from jody hice that raises a lot tighter. you know, and i think that the other reason. it's between the fact that a lot of the key primaries, the kind of happened, and then also because of the races where trump was particularly looking for revenge of already
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happened. and that may be why he is letting up on who he is choosing to endorse going forward. and then of course we know the former president, doesn't like to lose. in 2018 he had endorsed some candidate, who did make it through the primary. if they didn't through the primary, they were able to get through general election. and so i'm sure that he is probably eyeing the map himself, and look at that and saying, you know i am picking winners here and there may not be too many winners left in the race. maybe he sits just one. out >> front, and regardless of whether not trumpeting his foot off the gas, we have seen it in that nbc news poll, the cost of living and the economy or the top issues voters care about the most. if the current democratic strategy in these key primary states actually addressing the concerns of those voters? >> katie i think you see that happening with the big shift last week were present biden made one of a centerpiece speeches talking about the acknowledgment that prices are unacceptably.
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heise ministration make new resolutions that i think that is started tickled anti-democratic candidates as they focus on the spreading butter issues. but i think it is a false choice to talk about only inflation and the economy in jobs without also talking about the existential threat that this authoritarian fascist component of today's republican party, in these primaries, represents for the future of the country. because if you think inflation is bad now, you have never experienced inflation under and authoritarian fascist regime, which is where in essence you see a lot of the republican discourse headed in that direction. i remind you that cpac, the conservative political action committee today, it's hosting their conference in authoritarian hungry. so that is the course that i think americans need to be made aware of, and voters for that matter, and it can't be one of the expense of the other. they are both critically important and i think you start to see democrats make that case and part of the reason why you are seeing some of these results of these primaries, it's not necessarily always
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going the way of maga. >> but aaron, to finance point, do you really think that voters and states like georgia, pennsylvania, north carolina, do you think that they are viewing the cpac, american cpac and hungry as being this existential threat that he is talking about? or do you think they're actually asking themselves, i need to make sure that i show up to vote, but i'm gonna move miss work to do, it i don't have enough money to be able to pay the gas. i mean what do you think aaron is actually resonating with the voters in those key states right now? >> well, look, you have record turnout down in georgia. it is triple what it was in 2018. a lot of that energy is on the republican side, obviously. because you are gonna have stacey abrams having the democratic candidate for governor, and then you also have senator raphael warnock clearing the field to see attempts to earn his reelection to the senate. but, obviously governor kemp did not deliver for trump on
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the big lie, a lot of gop voters were suggesting that govern kept it delivered for them. so he is running on his record, things like reopening the c really early during the pandemic, which a lot of gop voters were in favor of because of the economy. and also, some of the culture war stuff. there were abortion restrictions that he signed into law as governor even before we got to the point where we see ourselves now. so i think some of those dynamics are on the minds gop voters. but it pronounce, point just about the idea that freedom and democracy are on the ballot for voters, i mean that is definitely what you are hearing from a lot of black voters, dana georgia who are looking at a likely rematch between stacey abrams and governor kemp from 2018 and that also came down to voter suppression, versus voter turnout. so lot of folks voting early
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were saying they were also excited to kind of be a part of, they were galvanized by the idea that maybe actuals being taken to make them feel less free, particularly at the ballot fox. >> fernandez that same nbc news police discussed a few minutes ago, 75% of voters think the country is heading in the wrong direction. this is obviously under the biden administration. how are we are out worried that should democrats before the midterms coming up in november? >> you know, katie, it is so funny the last question. i've seen that msnbc pull, and other polls that is an interesting phenomenon that i don't think it's getting enough traction. and that is, well yes, president biden's authority is no anywhere near where democrats wanted to be, but you're still seeing on the generic valid question democrats leading plus two, plus three. so there is this divorcing the fact that while some folks may be disingenuous in the state of the country, they are
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acknowledging the ran radicalism, the extremism of the republican party, and they may not be super sold on how things are going, but they don't necessarily want to give power and control of the government back to a ratified party. so i think that is something to keep watching over the next five months. because that is the greatest indicator. not so much the presidents -- but on those generic ballot test for senate, for governor, and four -- . if the democrats remaining competitive, there that is a very -- for. democrats in november. >> aaron, you mentioned a few minutes ago that a record turnout numbers for early voting in georgia. how do you actually mimic that in other states that are critical, biden can in battlegrounds to be able to gain traction for democrats? >> will you know katy, it is interesting. i think that the answer may lie in just what fernand was talking about. 75% of the country feels like,
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a feeble poll, electric countries on the wrong track. the focus posted msnbc has done shows that republicans and democrats saying that, but for different reasons. so i think chilling down and really talking to voters about with amy by that answer, to really expand upon why they think the country is headed in the wrong direction. what's the issues are that matter to them. because that is what is really gonna mobilizing galvanized people to come out in a mid term year when we know that the turnout usually is not what it is in a presidential year. but they may, you know the issues that animate them finding out those are and why they think that the country is headed in the wrong direction could be the key to really getting folks to show up in these primaries and headed into november. >> you know, fernand, i really do better take a few minutes to talk about how the sausage is made, right. because we have spent a number of minutes talking about the strength to polls, the reliability, the accuracy of them in what undergirds the results of those polls. the polls are your jam, that is
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what you do. is there something that is misleading about the fact that you have got people, like us for example, relying upon polls and the full results to maybe guide whether not we think the messaging is being effective or whether not people are actually initial vote? >> great question, that katie. which i would love to talk about as a pollster. first off, one of embodies roles when it comes to pulling, not opals are created equal. there are unfortunately some bad polls, some plaid pollsters, and some bad methodological approaches. but by and large, and the average of pulls they tend to -- cycle after cycle the result. and again that is where we are seeing. it is tracking wet ends up happening in some of these primary results. i don't have any concerns about the bulls. i think that the concerns for the democrats are interpreting correctly what those poll say, and making sure they have a message that applies to where the concern voters are, on all of the ends of the spectrum. but we've talked about it before on this program, you have to do several things at
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the same time. you have to talk about the issues that are impacting the everyday lives of americans. but also the existential threat to democracy and to the constitutional republic that we have endured for 246 years, that today's republican parties are talking about undoing if they regain part power and may never give up again. >> erin, i'm going to turn last, you have only about 30 seconds. i need to know from you, how do you actually convince someone to make a decision where there may be on the fence that they need to go, and they need to vote. is it really becoming that existential life or death situation that front and has been talking about? >> i think definitely, framing it in accidental terms can potentially be a very powerful thing. but also just really speaking to voters in a way that empowers them. so many organizers that i talked to in 2020, in previous cycles, have said it really is about empowering the voter. it is not necessarily about any particular candidate.
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the biden administration from lifting the public a bill notice title 42. the policy was supposed to expire on monday. since the start of pandemic, title 42 has block nearly 1.8 million migrants from seeking
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asylum in the united states. immigration and groups have called title 42 inhumane. this ruling is massive blow to the thousands of migrants that are waiting to apply for asylum. it also gives the department of homeland security more time to figure out how to handle an expected surgeon border encounters. joining me now is congressman joaquin castro of texas. congressman, this is why my content to say to nbc correspondent on friday right after the judge made his ruling. let's take a quick listen. >> i'm nervous, this father says. i can't leave i put my family in danger. as this mother from columbia, who left her two kids at home, bites years. >> pleading with president biden, give us an opportunity. we want a better future for our families, she says. >> congressman, what is your reaction to what you are seeing there? >> well, that is heartbreaking. and there are so many people are suffering.
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living in dangerous and oppressive conditions [inaudible] in places [inaudible] . dangerous. and people often talk about this idea [inaudible] do the right way, you get the lead away but the [inaudible] csi, lynn legal process eventually united states. and so this ruling and the rulings before that have had an injunction, or created injunction on doing away with title 42, are actually breaking the immigration system even further. in other, words there making things even worse and it is going to be harder to fix. because of it. >> but you know congressman, let's look at the numbers. because some pushback you are going to get on this idea of lifting title 42, is the fact that you are currently looking at 8000 encounters a day, at the border. when title 42 is lifted, they are anticipating 18,000 a day. do you think that there's any kind of credibility to the argument that the idea of, this
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is a really a public health issue, because it's gonna put such strain on the surrounding states. that are going to be taking in these. migrants >> well, two things. first of all the trump administration ostensibly put title 42 in place because of the pandemic. well, mask mandates and other restrictions related to the pandemic have now been lifted. so, there is no health justification related to the pandemic to keep people out. besides that, you can vaccinate people, in quarantine people, juventus people. you can put masks on them and take other safety steps, but also the reason that the numbers are so high, and that you see increased surges, is because when somebody tries to come to the united states and plead their case legally, and seek asylum, and they get rejected, summarily rejected and some right back, what they do as they try again to three times. so that is jacking up the numbers of repeat encounters at the border. so that is a big part of the problem. in other, words title 42 is creating its own problem of
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forcing people to come back over and over. and another thing that is doing, is it is incentivizing these very desperate parents who have young kids with them to send their kids on their own because those kids who are alone are actually being allowed to apply for asylum in the united states. and so, it has got a very perverse incentive to it that way. >> april, a very a record high number of migrants tried across the southern u.s. border. more than 96,000 who were expelled. what kind of message are we sending as united states, out into the, world by expelling migrant as they are legally trying to make their asylum cases to immigration officials, but they're also opening our doors to fair example, the people who are fleeing the ukraine and the warmth? ukraine i think it >> sends a horrible message to the world, because the united states has always been a leader when it came to at least giving people around the world who are pressed, who were violence iterations, a fair chance at seeking asylum. and by the way, we have also
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asked other nations in europe and around the world to take an asylum seekers. because the world right now is experiencing the most migration has ever seen since world war ii. so the world sees is a country, the united states, that says hey, y'all need to take in these asylum seekers in your own nations. but we are unwilling to do it ourselves. >> it's very backup plan if title 42 is lifted? do you think dhs actually has the capability to process the number of migrants that could be attempting to gain asylum to cross the border into the night states? >> sure, secretary mallorca in -- has had plenty of time to come up with a plan. congress has passed [inaudible] the white house in the administration need to come before the congress and solid exactly what they need for an orderly process and a buildup capacity. but bear in mind, the reason if you do see a surge, and is quite likely that you will, it's because title 42 has created that surge by creating a huge bottleneck,
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unnecessarily. and so, innocence the problem creative itself. >> and just hours before that louisiana federal judge made its ruling on friday, nbc news made reported that their department homeland security did have enough money to deal with the potential migrant surge at the border if that trump era policy was lifted. congressman, is really such an easy fix for congress to just provide more financially in this case. >> well, the administration should come forward with a request for the money that they need. now i think congress will take a look at -- and that it. you know that for years we have been fighting things like kids in cages, for example. the expansion of detention beds. and other. things but, if the money is meant as a capacity builder for the orderly process of migrants, and you with the surge of -- anti able to get them to their family members huawei their asylum 14, then it is something that i think that congress will
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consider. >> briefly, i only have about 30 seconds left with you, but i do want to ask you what you think is now going to happen. you know that there is a legal process that is going to happen, what do you think is going to be the immediate impact from that ruling we got from the judge and friday? >> i think the title 42 is being used -- well to the politics of immigration did not have to deal with it, unfortunately. and so i think there's gonna be a lot of people that continues on the other side of the border. they're not gonna be able to apply for asylum in the united states. and many people in this country are just going to see no evil hear no evil. and pretend that they don't exist. >> well those are very real faces, those are very real people that are suffering on the other side of the border. we thank you congressman joaquin castro for being here today to highlight what is going. on >> thank. you >> up next, president biden is on his first trip to asia, since taking office. we are gonna take you there live right after the break. re gonna take you ther live right aft terhe break live right aft terhe break what happens when performance... meets power?
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would be willing to assume joint military exercises to tour the nuclear north korea. nbc's carol lee is traveling with the president and she joins me now from seoul. good morning carroll. >> good morning katie. >> carol, can you tell us how things are going over there in terms of the energy and in terms of the dynamic between the beatings that he's having in south korea. >> yeah absolutely, well as you mentioned the, the president talked a lot about north korea in his press conference earlier today. both presidents, president unit and president biden, colin north korea to denuclearize. that is not something north
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korea has shown any signs of even willingness to discuss doing. the administration has reached out a number of times according to the administration officials to see if there was interest on behalf of north korea indigo she asians over its nuclear program. and it has gotten a response. and what we heard from president biden was that, he is willing to meet with kim jong-un if kim jong-un with serious insincere. those are the presidents. words about negotiations toward to denuclearization. again, no signs of that is the case. and the other issue that came up with north korea is the covid outbreak that is happening in north korea. and president biden said that he and the u.s. has offered vaccines to north korea, they've got a response. he also says that he offered those vaccines to china, to see if china would want, would be able to give them to north korea. again not any response there. so there is a discussion among the south koreans on the u.s. about possibly expanding those
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military exercises, aids both the scope and scale, according to a joint statement from them after their meeting. so that is another thing to look for. and then they also discussed, economic issues. and a number of steps have been taking their. the president is highlighting some. south korean companies bringing jobs and factories into the u.s. to create jobs there to create supply chains and issues. the president calling economic security in addition to traditional military security. so all of this was wrapping up tomorrow here in south korea. the president heads to japan, and there will be the same topic. north korea, the economy, as well as ukraine. the president is having a meeting with the leaders of australia, japan, and india where ukraine is going to be front and center, as well. >> carol, is there any palpable concern the north korea may try to flex its military capabilities, while president biden's onset korean soil? >> yeah, absolutely, katie. and that is something that the administration has been saying
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in the run up to the president's arrival, here in south korea. since he has arrived here, and is not going to end when he leaves. and applies to japan. they say that there is also still concern the north korea could launch a nuclear test, or launch an intercontinental ballistic missile test. something along those. lives or anything that would be seen as provocative. when we have heard from administration officials, including national security advisor jake sullivan, is that the u.s. is prepared, along with its allies to respond. they said they know how they will respond, and they will do so in coordination with those allies. but that is a significant concern among administration officials until the president leaves this region. >> thank you, carol lee, over in south korea. and while the president is in asia, he is also keeping a close watch on the other international crisis, russia's invasion of ukraine. the white house says that during his trip, the president signed the bill giving ukraine and additional 40 billion dollars in military aid.
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this comes as russia continues its assault in eastern ukraine, nbc's erin mclaughlin joins me now from kharkiv with the latest. hello, aaron harry? doing >> he catie. well here in kharkiv, they have been facing yet another russian assault in the over night hours on a market. starting a big fire here near the center of the city. meanwhile, the this morning there has been heavy shelling in a suburb northwest of the city, towards the russian border, killing at least one civilian and wounding 20 others. ukrainian officials tell us that they have actually moved the u.s. supplies to howitzer into that area, and russian forces are in the process of trying to take those howitzers out. so while military analysts say that ukraine has won the battle for kharkiv, it is very clear from what we are seeing here on
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the ground that russia is not backing down. meanwhile, all eyes are on the donbas region. ukraine's industrial heartland, overnight the evacuated the region of luhansk. there's heavy fighting as russia is trying to approach and take the city of suffered in next. they managed to achieve that they will have been occupied the whole of the luhansk region which would build on their claim to victory in mariupol, overnight they claimed that the last ukrainian soldiers have left that steel plant. solthat they are infield full control that city which again, we help them with a strategic advantage as the war presses on. katie. >> all right, thanks to erik mclaughlin who is over in kharkiv. and be sure to catch simone sanders later today she sat with education secretary miguel cardona to discuss the biden administration's plan to address student loan debt
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formula. >> the defense and the health department will send planes over seas to pick up anything formula that meets the u.s. safety standards to get it on store shelves faster. >> we saw shipments over before your being loaded on planes in germany this morning. but for low income families and high-risk infants who are most affected by the shortage how, can we get through the next few weeks. joining me is dr. seuss said oh jakub, chief of academic a general populist children's hospital in mind if you are. doctor o a coup, you specialize in health care and health equity. from plenty of reporting, low income women, edge ill drawn, and families, are the ones hardest hit by this formula shortage. how are you advising your patients to get through these next few weeks when we do not have access to the formula that is needed? >> thank you so much for having
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me. how we have been advising our families in multiple ways, is by having a conversation about the specific nutritional needs of the child. depending on if the child has allergies, a digestive problem, a metabolic problem, we will discuss if they switch between brands. they also have opportunities to talk to other vendors, to see if we were able to get the families the formula they may need. we also discuss in terms of introduction of complimentary foods, 46 each, they may be able to introduce complimentary fold. the first part of the complementary conversation about nutritional needs and how we can meet and support the family. >> doctor, it is really important that we deal with the fact that there is a lot of misinformation floating around online.
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people are going and being doctor google. from substitution suggestions to do it yourself formula at home, what are some of the things that people should absolutely not do whatsoever? >> thank you for asking that question. one of the things that we encourage people not to do is to not dilute the formula. you should not add water to stretch the supply. unfortunately, we have seen it in our own practices, we have also seen individuals add water. this leads to dehydration. it could lead to electrolyte abnormalities. it can put children at risk for seizures. one, do not dilute the formula. the other is not to make or made formula. there are recipes that use evaporated milk and syrup. we know from studies that this formula, from the 1940 the 1950s, actually had low iron
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and low levels of diet mean and other essential nutrients. we know that those children, were also at risk for anemia. that is why we recommend that infants typically get or iron fortified formula or express milk, or breast milk directly. due to allergies or other medical conditions, there are children that cannot be breastfed or use iron fortified formula. in these cases, this is where we have specialized formula. this is when we have those issues. those kids are having a difficult time to be able to access those formulas. one, do not dilute the formula. to, do not make homemade formula. >> i want to play a piece of sound for you and get your reaction on the other side. >> okay. >> moms and dads all over the country, some are traveling hours every single day looking
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for a baby formula. this is a crisis that should never be happening. it is completely squarely on the shoulders of the biden administration and the democrats that are controlling our government. >> president biden and the fda must do more. this is a matter of life or death. >> maybe that's where the shortage is coming from or it could be the pallets that are being sent to the southern border for all the illegal aliens breaking the boards to come to our country. >> but aside the absurdity of the putting aside the absurdity of these comments, i want to get your opinion on this. what are you thinking of politicians using this as a political gain political move in their political gain over voters? >> we want policymakers to use their power and all of their leaders to put formula on their shelves. no family should be in a position where they have to
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question whether they are going to be able to feed their child. that is where we have opportunity. where can policymakers focus their efforts? one, being able to provide resources to the fda. be able to continue to ensure that our babies formula supply is safe. the other is being able to provide support for theirs that are being covered. wick covers half of the population that uses baby formula. we need to ensure that those who have access, and that there are waivers that are available and used across the nation. they need to be multi-use consumer benefits to get the formula that their children need. the other is to be able to make a donor milk accessible. right now, donor milk is prohibited in terms of cost and supply. we need to be able to leverage insurance companies to make
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this a cover to benefit, particularly those with preemie babies. the other is that we had a lot of older children who had medical complexities and who need a specialized formula and specialized food. those specialized formulas and food need to be covered by insurance companies. no family should have to choose between how they are going to choose to feed their child, and those are opportunities for child policy makers to use their position to ensure that every child is able to get the nutrition that they need to foster their overall growth and development. >> doctor, thank you for being here. thank you for letting us know what is medically important, relevant, and needs to be done as we await relief from this a shortage. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> we have a special programming note. on sunday june 19th, join tiffany cross and joy reid for the culture is black women.
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right now isn't a fiction and it is not in hollywood. it is at a courthouse in virginia where actor johnny depp is suing his ex wife, actress amber heard, for $50 million of defamation. she is countersuing him for $100 million. let's review what we know. joining me now is entered tim and attorney --
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johnny depp is claiming that he has never been violent was amber heard. amber heard says she only is violent in self-defense. from a legal standpoint, what should the jury focus on the most based on the testimony and the evidence that we have seen and heard thus far? >> the very first thing that the jury is going to pay tension to is whether any of this is true. it is very easy to get caught up in the drama and he said she said. they need to be focusing in on the evidence and if there is anything here that may have been some abuse. johnny has already acknowledged that abuse can be psychological or emotional. even that level of abuse, if he has been abusive sieve of her in a or psychological ways, from which we have heard recordings that suggest that. this could be enough. truth is a defense to defamation. if there's any truth there is no case. >> yes about mitra, how did the
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jurors figure out credibility? he is saying one thing, she is saying one thing. we heard crazy things in this trial. it's a determination is rather the truth really happened, what are we supposed to pick up on if this is actually the case? >> i think it is very tricky when you have a he said she said situation like this. there's not a lot of concrete evidence. you have a lot of people who were formerly in the inner circle, who are not in the inner circle anymore for a variety of reasons. you have people who were on payroll. there were people who had financial interests in the testimony and in things going one way or another. it is very hard to figure out who is credible here and who was not. i think it is just finding the places that are consistent and cooperated. that is where the focus should be. >> i was excited to have you on because it's a important for everyone to know the following, this case has been blowing up on social media. it created meme and other stuff. fundamentally, this is a case
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about defamation. the 2018 washington post op-ed. that is why he failed the defamation suit. it damaged his career. in the article, she details of surviving domestic violence although she never mentions john adepts name. in 2019, depth was dropped from his role in disney's car parts of the caribbean franchise, which we know he was involved with for several time. this is after the op-ed was published. as is the article stand alone strong enough to support his claim for defamation to result in damages? >> first of, when we talk about the article, even though he is not named he is identified in some way. it is implied defamation. there is a potential for defamation there even if he is not named. we have some evidence that there were conversations with the aclu lawyer and with the washington post op-ed department that there were conversations about the fact that they knew this was about johnny. we know the drop the article
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was about johnny. with respect to with whether this can turn into a lawsuit, again, it is about the fact that was this said about johnny? was it untrue? was it said maliciously? and did it result in him losing work? i think that last week, what we have seen, there is testimony that is suggesting that johnny depp may have been on some sort of his own demise before the op-ed came out. again, the lawsuit is just about this op-ed, like you astutely mention. her lawyers have really been pushing that point. >> a lot of people are wondering about this. i think this is also another important point to bring out. can you briefly explain why it is being held in fairfax, virginia of all places? >> it is one that everyone should be asking. typically, lawsuits have to be
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brought where the injury occurred or where the parties reside. you would think that would be california. he is not suing the washington post. he is suing amber heard. virginia state law, there is enough of a connection, enough of a nexus to the state of virginia. this is by virtue of the fact that the washington post servers are located in fairfax county, virginia. that is enough for the lawsuit to actually survive in virginia. why would the johnny depp want to file the lawsuit in virginia. there are a number of reasons. one of which is there are anti slap laws that are more favorable in defense of free speech in california and other states. in virginia it is not up to speed on some of those anti slap laws. >> i know you are watching the trial carefully as the rest of
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us are. in the meantime, we are going to thank you for your time. mitra, thank you for being here. coming up tomorrow on the sunday show, michael steele will guest host for jonathan kaye part. we will welcome cliff from black women matter. and we will welcome joe walsh. you can catch all of this tomorrow at 10 am eastern right here on msnbc. we will be right back right bac writer/director and i'm still working. in the kind of work that i do, you are surrounded by people who are all younger than you. i had to get help somewhere along the line to stay competitive. i discovered prevagen. i started taking it and after a period of time, my memory improved. it was a game-changer for me. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. what happens when performance...
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the cross connection. i thank you for letting me sit in with a tiffany cross. i miss her, as i do. she will be back next saturday at 10 am eastern. stay tuned for now because my friend, alex witt, has the latest. hey, alex! >> so good to see you, katie. a double duty. i know she appreciates you're in time there from 10 am to noon. we will see you tomorrow morning at 7 am. thank you for this. ♪ ♪ ♪ a very good day to all of you from msnbc headquarters in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. we will begin overseas with a president biden holding a bilateral meeting, a joint news conference with south korean president. both leaders are stressed their shared interest in some plain supply chain issues and north
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korean denuclearization. biden threatened that the partnership was part of a bigger global alliance. >> this is an opportunity. you have heard it 1 million times, and i'm sorry to the american press to it repeat it. we are at a point in history that things changing so rapidly and we will see it more of it. there is a competition between democracies and autocracies. >> happening right now in germany, the first shipment of a baby formula is being loaded onto a military aircraft. that is like the parts of indiana tomorrow. it is part of the niche initiation to's increases supply formula among the shortage. overnight, a federal judge blocked the biden administration from ending title 42 that if trump era policy that allows officials to turn back asylum seekers at the border due to the pandemic. the justice department


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