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more work to do. that is it for the saturday. i'm alicia menendez, i'm going to see you back here next week 6 pm eastern for more american voices, but i'm handing it over to my colleague ayman vadim. amen. >> haley alicia. i'm so glad you brought up the subject of equal pay for soccer. i'm a huge soccer fan. i actually follow women's soccer overseas. some of the biggest clubs in the world have some of the biggest american players playing for them. so it's great to see u.s. or soccer break barriers and lead the way for the rest the world. so hopefully will create more of a ripple effect all across the country and in the sport. so good on you for bringing up. thank you very much alicia. bringing thank you very much ad evening to you, and good evening to a man tonight. the gop has an extremist problem when it's refusing to acknowledge. the gop -- rising star who took on the republican party and one.
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-- amnesty international has a warning for the world, at the u.s. supreme court does in fact overturn roe v. wade. i mean that theme, it saturday night, let's get started. one week ago, a gunman opened fire at a supermarket in buffalo new york, killing ten black people in what the justice department is now investigating as a hate crime. an active racially motivated violent extremism. but what happened in that supermarket is part of a much larger and dangerous trend in united states. according to the anti-defamation league, according to the last decade, there have been 443 murders by people or groups identified as political extremists. left wing extremists were responsible for 4% of those murders, islamic extremists accounted for 20%. but the group responsible for the largest percentage, by far,
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right wing extremism, who carried out 75% of the murders. so think about this for a moment. while political violence is an american problem, one we all have to reckon with, there is no both sides in this issue. let's be clear about that. as jonathan greenblatt, head of the adl said, the numbers simply don't lie. there is no equivalent on the left for this type of violence. nearly half, nearly half of those 400 plus murders were specifically motivated by white supremacy similar to the motivations we saw behind that buffalo terrorist attack. there, the suspect allegedly used the racist great priests replacement theory to justify the attack. and this week, president biden issued his harshest condemnation of the conspiracy. >> hate, through the media, politics, the internet has
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radicalized, alienated isolated individuals. into falsely believing that they will be replaced, that is placed, by the other. i know you reject ally, i call all americans to reject the lie. i condemn those who spread the life of power, political gain, and for profit. >> now what biden did there is important. he called on not only the idea itself, but also the forces behind that idea, who have mainstreamed it. because over the last few years, the racist replacement conspiracy theories as permeate the ranks of the right in america, moving it from the fringe to the central component of the modern-day conservative movements appeal to voters. right now, at this very moment, half a dozen mainstream republican senate candidates are running on ideas linked to that racist theory. and after the buffalo mass
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shooting, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell was actually given three chances to explicitly reject the concept at a press conference. and he couldn't bring himself to do it, he just simply could not do it. instead, he made an empty declaration that racism ought to be stood up to buy everybody, both republicans and democrats. so i go back to this point again, senator mcconnell, you cannot both sides your way out of this. to repeat the words of jonathan greenblatt, the numbers don't lie. the biggest domestic terror threat facing this country is white supremacy, carried out by far right extremists. so what are republicans going to do about it? with that, we start this hour with catherine stewart. she's journalist and author of the power worshippers, inside the dangerous rise of religious nationalism. and benjamin -- , contributing writer at the new yorker. author of searching for why topeka, and improbable journey
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to the heart of white america. great to have both of you with us. this is such an important conversation to be having right now. rich, i want to be starting with you. you've been writing about the rights refusal to take white supremacy terrorism seriously for years. before, it seems like republicans merely tolerated their extremist and their party. now, they have mainstreamed it. do you now fear that they have taken control over their party? >> i very much fear that. and we see that in the election results. as you mentioned, candidates who are running on this conspiracy theory of great replacement. and they have a story they're telling their base. the story is i will bring the country back 50 years in terms of women's rights, in terms of racial dynamics in this country, terms of demographics, and all these false promises. so they've instilled this narrative that they're telling their people. and what i would say to democrats is we need a
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narrative as well. we need a narrative that says what does a thriving, prosperous, multi racial democracy look like. in terms of all of, all the aspirations that it brings. so i do fear what i had seen earlier in my journeys throughout white america, in terms of a white nationalist, violent, a stream us and paranoid tanner is now in the mainstream. >> catherine, although as rachel pointed out, white nationalism is a huge issue in the republican party. it's not the only demographic paranoia that's taking hold. you are an expert on religious nationalism. tell us a little bit more about how these two concepts intersect. what exactly is religious nationalism? how has it manifested itself in our body politics and the right in this country? >> that's right, religious
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nationalism, or christian nationalism in the united states is the idea that america was founded as an authentically christian nation, ordered to allegedly biblical principles. and this supposedly right kind of americans need to take it back. it's a reactionary and authoritarian ideology that centers its grievances on a narrative of loss national greatness. and involves this idea that real americans are persecuted by alien or un-american groups. and this particular gland of religious nationalism, extreme partisanship, bigotry and irrational-ism that we're seeing today, has a new emphasis in mainstream american politics unfortunately. and this message is often spread through the rhetoric of religious nationalism, or more christian nationalism. after many years, these kinds of conspiracies of demographic paranoia, the other conspiracies that we're seeing today, they're really on the fringes of american politics. but unfortunately, they've moved to the center.
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we're seeing this at a time when republican candidates such as the ones you mentioned earlier have made warnings of threats to what they say to be real america. and on this vision of supposedly real america, implicitly or explicitly means white, a certain kind of a christian. >> yeah, it's kind of this nativist outlook that they have adopted that it maracas founding was white christians and everyone else. since then, has not helped advance the country but taken away from it >>. and that's the scary thing rich because there's this new poll taken after the buffalo shooting, that actually found three quarters of black americans are worried that they are someone they level be attacked, simply because of the race, in america, in 2022. so i guess my question to you has to do more with the defenses argument we hear from some republicans, that they're
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just advocating for ideas, not for violence. how do you see the extension of ideas translating into violence. because you can't just simply say we're talking about ideas, we're not supporting, we're not calling for violence, when people out there who hear that message interpret those calls and then go carry out violence in the names of those ideas. >> agreed, and the problem is they're not condemning the violence, they're not condemning the violence, and that is the problem. for them to condemn the violence, by the way, terrorism, by definition, as a spectacular display of violence in order to intimidate people, especially in a democracy. and that's what january 6th was. and the middle of counting the electoral votes, you had this violent act, with a huge violent right-wing contingent storming the capital. there still hasn't been accountability for that. 70 people lost their life is in that incident. so therefore, that is why we're
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not healing this condemnation of violence. and the last thing i'll say on that, amen, anecdotally, not only do you have these statistics that you're presenting, but i'm hearing among black friends, among black loved ones, do we need to arm ourselves, in this really violent moment whereby we become victims of these mass shootings and then there's no accountability? anecdotally, i'm hearing a backing up of what you're just describing statistically. >> yeah and, to your point, it's why mitch mcconnell has refused to condemn this violent specifically for what it is. and he tried to, as we played in this clip, both sides this situation. i want to play for you guys and our viewers this clip, catherine, from this kennesaw tennessee pastor, greg locke. you've seen, it went viral this week, take a listen to this. >> i am in a place right, now
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if you vote democrat, i don't even want you in this church, get out. you get out you demon. you get out your baby butchering election thief. you cannot be a christian and vote democrat in this nation. bunch of devils, i'm sick of it. they want to talk about the insurrection. mom, let me tell you something you ain't seen the insurrection yet. you keep on pushing our buttons, you lowdown sorry compromises, you gotta hating communist americans, you'll find out when an insurrection is. >> catherine, you study this area closely, tell us about this -- the dangers about what we're hearing there. religious leaders, stoking this kind of political division. we like to think of ourselves as a side of the secular. a society where laws are based on religion. but our politics are shaped by religion, even if it's not in
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the policies of the people who are elected, and campaign and try to win the votes of people like this pastor and his congregation. no? >> this kind of language is being normalized and a lot of the right-wing conferences and strategy gatherings and some gatherings that right-hand. and frankly it's a dehumanization of their political opponents, this hyperbolic descriptions of opponents as demonic, as satanic would have you. it's a language, frankly, of genocide. it's incredibly dangerous. we've seen the consequences in buffalo. we've seen it before in terrorist, white supremacists shootings in the south carolina church, that took the lives of nine black churchgoers. we saw the mass murder at the pittsburgh synagogue. and frankly, to proceed at some of the most disgraceful and tragic episodes of human history. >> yeah, it's a very dangerous
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and troubling trend that we see on the rise here. and i'm concerned that it is not being addressed adequately by our political leaders. catherine stewart, rich benjamin, thank you for starting us off this hour this important conversation. still ahead, she took on the democratic establishment and seems to have one. progressive pennsylvania house candidates summer league joins me live next. me live next
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progressive candidates across the u.s. warned and are poised to win their democratic primaries, this by a flood of super pac cash that actually tried to draw another voices. in fact, there was more outside spending in this week's democratic house primaries than all of the 2020 democratic primaries combined. the lion share of that spending was used to boost modern establishment back democrats or to bash progressives. that was not good enough to stop pennsylvanian john fetterman, with his bid for the democratic nomination see. that is summer lee, late yesterday, the associated press called her win in the top congressional district.
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and the msnbc has not yet called that race. some early, thank you for making time with us tonight. your opponent, steve erwin, was backed by the allegheny county democratic party. he had support of prominent democrats across the country, tremendous amount of money behind him, why was that not enough to overcome the movement behind you? with do you attribute your successes to? >> they get so much for having me, amen. it was a lot of work. i think that our progressive movement here in -- we have been building a coalition that was much bigger than anyone in the establishment truly expected. we have been able to get these victories by really expanding the electorate and reaching out to voters and connecting folks who traditionally did not seem to have common interests. we have dealt with those folks and had a real true, grassroots effort. we talk about it a lot, but it was truly a grassroots effort
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to go to every door, talked every voter in every district. >> there was a very troubling moment in your campaign. you had a comfortable lead over steve erwin, and then you had millions of dollars in attack ads that rolled in from outside groups, particularly, from pro some pro israel super pacs, like a pack and the democratic majority for israel. what was your reaction when you started seeing this money pouring into your opponent to the feet you? >> it was anger, but it was a bit of a discouragement. when you see that saw a barrage come in, when you cannot come on the television and radio, when you can't go to any medium and nazi the worst politics playing out against you. it is something that is supposed to demoralize you,
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make you feel like you can do this. it was really frustrating. i knew that we had the campaign that was inspiring. we had a campaign that would expand the electorate in the way that democrats were going to need as we go up in november against this ongoing insurrection. to see that there and, not because of any merit of anyone else, but because of class. because of misleading ads and attacks, it was really sad and depressing. i am really happy that it did not end that way. >> more specifically, as someone who is watching this play out in realtime, what do you make about groups like aipac endorsing pro insurrection candidates but not progressives like you? they are literally supporting candidates who wanted to overthrow our democracy and not progresses who want to strengthen it. >> yeah, i think that progressives continue to really have an uphill battle in the men shame. we know that our values, our policies, platforms, we know
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that those are the values that really breached the average american. they reach everyday voters. we know that our wing of the party has the ability to expand the electorate. it could be disheartening to see corporatists, or packs, come in to really try to disrupt the. to keep us from getting victory. it is not just progressives, right? it is progressive women of color, specifically progressive black women, that we have been seeing getting the largest attacks. it is no wonder that we have black women winning in a pennsylvania before now, for me. those are the berries that we have. what we love to see people that are leading into progressive values, but we don't expect organizations that support insurrectionists who also support poor, working votes, black and brown votes. we know that these ads are disingenuous. we know that these are corporatist looking to get folks into office and move whatever they want them to. that is another barrier that with the fight against, if we are going to win a more
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reflective democracy. >> i don't want to get ahead of myself here, but if you win the election in november, i think a big question is, would you joined the squad, so to speak? tell us a little bit about whether you would align with them politically, would you support, for example, nancy pelosi continuing to lead house democrats after the midterms? >> this is the question that i get the most. it would be an honor for me to stand alongside, particularly these progressive women of color, who have been really working and lifting up voices and perspectives that we've not seen before. as a legislator, i think that i already align with them in so many ways. i am excited to join them. i am excited to join everybody who is working on per half of poor working class people, working to build progressive power in this country. that is michael, that is -- who to support leadership, i think our goal in november is to win. we have an uphill battle there.
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there is an expectation that we will not win the majority. we need to focus on that right now, in pennsylvania, particularly. we have let away on the line. we need to focus on those races that are coming up and turning up voters in pennsylvania, so that we don't lose the ground that we have now. >> is there a lesson from the way that you ran your campaign that can be applied to democrats and progressives nationwide? when people look at your race and what you went up against and overcame, especially in the final weeks, what are the lessons that you can share with fellow democrats running progressive races across the country? >> yes, i definitely believe so. i think our race showed that we were centering people with working class values. we were talking about issues that cross section, everybody believes in them. whether it is economic justice, racial justice, climate justice, clearwater, these are issues that resonate with the majority of americans. it is not just in western pennsylvania.
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i know that if we can win on cleaner water and once the pennsylvania, if we can win on a living wage and unions in pennsylvania, that we can do this in apply this everywhere. we have to get back to reaching and expanding the electorate. we have to get back to doing that grassroots work to get out the voters who are infrequently courted. young voters, progressives, women, black and brown voters, we can do that work, but we have to decide who we will serve. we cannot serve corporate interests and also working class interests. i believe that when we center working class values that we will win. we will expand the electorate. we will bring out and grow our base. that is where we have to be committed to. i think this ratio the. >> pennsylvania state representative, some really, thank you so much for your time. it has been a real pleasure. i look for to continue the conversation with you in the weeks and months ahead. >> yeah, thank you for having me. >> my pleasure. still ahead, the secretary general of amnesty international, her warning if the supreme court overturns roe v. wade, stay with us.
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's harshest antiabortion bill to date. the republican backed bill that bans abortions from the moment of fertilization will take effect once it's been signed by republican governor kevin stitt, who has committed to signing any anti abortion legislation that comes across his desk. now this, as the department of homeland security is warning about the rising threat of violence from abortion extremists from both sides if roe v. wade is overturned, according to an internal memo obtained by msnbc. so far, at least 25 violent threats on social media have been referred to law enforcement agencies for further investigations. the end of roe v. wade would of course, dramatically impact
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reproductive rights here in the u.s.. but also global impacts shaping these strategies and tactics of the global abortion movement. for more on the ramifications of overturning roe, i spoke with the secretary general of amnesty international, secretary general callum are. secretary general, thank you so much for joining us. i want to ask you about what it would mean for the world if the united states supreme court overturned roe v. wade. >> thank you very much. what it would mean for the world is that one of, or maybe the superpowers that was supposed to push forward un rights agenda, and indeed, is claiming to want to establish a world order, based on human rights and dignity.
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what it would mean is that all of these objectives, this vision, would be shredded. there would be no such thing as human rights based global system. there will be no such thing as a world driven by dignity of man, woman, and other people. that is the meaning of such a decision. if we make a show of the united states claim of legitimacy around those issues. >> the new york times recently argued that curbing, or curbs on a women's right tend to accelerate in a backsliding democracy, a category than clues the united states. would you say that undoing the reproductive rights of women indicates that democracy is in
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fact, here in the u.s., backsliding? >> absolutely, because doing so is a violation of human rights, it's a violation of the right to life. it's a violation of the right to free form free from discrimination and free from torture. and we have to be very clear, when people claim the fight against abortion, what they are fighting against is the right of women to live. because the facts around the world, including the united states demonstrates that whenever abortion is allowed, and access to abortion is permitted, the number of abortions does not increase. and in fact, criminalization of abortion results in more abortion, and more unsafe abortion. so when people claim to fight abortion, in fact, when they are fighting is women's lives.
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they're killing women. that is what is at heart. and indeed, that's a complete backslide, complete backsliding. >> the u.s. government is bracing itself for a potential surge in political violence once the supreme court hands down the ruling, that is expected to overturn roe v. wade. according to a memo that has been obtained by msnbc news, what are your thoughts? whatever is your reaction when you hear about this growing concern of political violence in the u.s. given the possible decision to overturn roe v. wade? >> with all due respect, the political violence has been unleashed on the people of the united states, on the men and women of the united states over the last, at least five years, and the previous administration. the black men and women of the united states have been relentlessly targeted by
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medical violence. it rose particularly when demonstrated on january 6th. so, you know, the political violence you know, is already here. it is not that decision that is going to create it. there is repeated act of extreme violence. there was one that was committed last week against black people of buffalo. so, no. yes, there may be a few reaction, of course. and people, i hope, will demonstrate peacefully against such a decision. but the political violence has been unleashed by the extreme right. it has been unleashed by this outrageous extremism. it has been unleashed by the -- movement in the united states, all of the people of the united states, and particularly on the
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minorities of the united states. that is not what this decision is going to create. >> as you probably saw, vice president kamala harris met with abortion providers this week. she spoke out about a new oklahoma law that actually bans abortions at the moment of fertilization, calling it outrageous and an extreme step backwards. how important is it for officials like the president, the vice president, of the u.s. to speak out on these issues? do you believe it could make a difference? >> well it doesn't so far. but it can make a difference, actually. i think it's important for the political leader, the elected leaders of the united states to stand for international law. to stand for international human rights. and to make a clear statement for the protection of women's rights. so that's the first point.
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the second is that it is also important to go back to your previous question, for the united states legitimacy in the world. it is important for them to be able to claim their space and place in terms of the protection of the human rights, the protection of women's rights. these i have always been some of the hallmarks or claims that the united states pushed forward, as part of its global legitimacy. so it is certainly important for the political leader to stand side by side with governments around the world, in court around the world, that have taken steps to decriminalize abortion allies. that have taken steps to protect the right of women and girls and other people to
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abortion. you know, the train right now is going in that direction. since 1994, more than 59 countries have adopted laws that have increased access to abortion. according to latest data, almost 60% of women around the world are living in a country where abortion is possible. the united states is going against global trend. it is going against the women of argentina. it is going against the women of mexico. it is going against the women of chile. and it is going against the women of the united states right now. >> all right, stick around, after the break i'm going to ask the secretary general of amnesty international about the first war crimes trial in ukraine since the russian invasion began. homegrown tomatoes...nice. i want to feel in control of my health, so i do what i can.
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deliberating in ukraine's first war crimes trial. and this week, a 21 year old russian soldier actually admitting to fatally shooting an on unarmed civilian in northeastern ukraine during the early days of the russian invasion. he potentially faces life in present, if the panel finds him guilty of violating ukraine's laws of war. i asked agnes callamard about that case in our earlier conversation, watch. >> this week, we saw 21 year old russian soldier who pleaded guilty to killing an unarmed ukrainian civilian. it is the first war crimes trial in ukraine since the war started. talk to me about the importance of this particular trial, what it means for amnesty international to hold russians to account, how would that look like, given the various legal tools we have at our disposal
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internationally? what do you want to see done to hold russia accountable? >> when i was in ukraine, i just came back last week, and the purpose of my visit was exactly that. what does justice look like for ukraine and for the ukrainian victims? >> i cannot comment on the particular trial, because it's only starting. but what i can say is the following. the first point, we need to be very careful not to keep justice for political reason or four to demonstrate the steps that are being taken. i'm not suggesting this is what is being done right now. but it is certainly a risk, because of the pressure.
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justice must be seen and delivered in a complete, impartial fashion. it must be held up to the highest standard, including those of international criminal court. it must also be putting the victims at the heart and center. it must be victim centered, it must be victims-centric. it must also be -- it must be about values. we all know that the war's, the war in ukraine, the aggression of russia against ukraine goes beyond ukraine. it is about the world we want to live in. it is about values. it is a war on values. so it is superbly important, supremely important, for ukraine and the international community to put forward a traditional judicial system --
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highest possible principles, and they can really help rebuilt that world system that is so wounded at the moment. so, that is what justice for ukraine should look like. impartial, higher standard, victims-centric. it must also be prepared to tackle violations committed by ukrainian soldiers. >> all right, secretary general of i amnesty international, agnes callamard, then you very much for your time and insights this evening i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> still ahead, wnba star brittney griner should be released from russian detention two days ago. so, what more can the u.s. government do to secure her release? release? ♪ did you know you can address one of the root causes
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two days ago, wnba star brittney griner was supposed to be released from russian detention. that was until last week when it was announced that her detention would actually be extended for another month. and as of now, we still don't know why the russian government made that decision. this week, secretary of state antony blinken spoke with britney griner's wife and said that her case is a top priority for the state department. our next guest is a journalist who also abducted by the taliban in 2008 and held for seven months in pakistan. david rohde, executive editor for news new york.com and msnbc contribute their. david, it's good to have you back on the program or. your reaction to britney griner's detention being extended for another month? >> yeah, she's clearly a
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political prisoner, period. it's trumped up and a ridiculous drug charges. i believe she's a seven-time nba all-star, a two-time olympian, could you imagine how russians would react if we if alex oh veteran was arrested, let's say, and held under trumped up drug charges. and i hate these images of her. this images of her in a sweatshirt it shameful. and yes i'm biased as a former captain. but the last thing this represents is that the world of kidnapping americans who are kidnapped overseas has changed dramatically. when i was kidnapped, it was the taliban, and the vast majority of americans were connected by insurgents or extremists. and the last five years, it's become autocratic governments. the majority of americans, about 50's, are being held by russia, and venezuela, and i ron, and china. and this is the challenge for the biden administration, they've got to free britney, but there's this new minister.
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and that's autocrats who kidnap innocent americans like brittani, and use them as pawns to try and get leverage with the u.s. government. >> let me go back to the point that you started out with, that you believe she's a political prisoner. do you have a theory as to why she's being held as such? do you anticipate, or expect, the russians are trying to use her detention as some kind of leverage with the americans over what is happening in ukraine? or perhaps somewhere else that were unaware of? >> could be ukraine, they could be using her as leverage. there is an infant this arms trafficker, a russian national who's in a u.s. federal prison now, so they could be trying to get leverage that way. iran has a long history of abducting innocent people. jason ms. i, am of the washington post, and several others. there is at least four other u.s. citizens being held in iran right now.
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so this is a tactic by these governments. and i think it's a challenge, it's very difficult, the u.s. needs a strategy for how you punished autocrats who do this. it could be lending trade with those countries. seizing their assets overseas. they're around iranian assets that have been seized. those could go to -- they could be taken away. i just think it's a growing problem. and i just feel terrible for britney griner and her wife and all of her family. >> let's, if we can, pivot to another big news item this week. president biden met with the leaders of finland and sweden after the two nations signal their desire to join nato. to see any issues with the senate approving their membership? how quickly do you think it will happen, even when you have a country like turkey that is stonewalling it and trying to perhaps leverage it for some individual bilateral game they're trying to get out of either the u.s. or the european
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authority or nato? >> yeah, i'm hearing the same thing that turkey's opposition is looking for an arms deal from the u.s. or some other benefit in terms of trade. i think this will go through. i think this shows what a monumental error, a massive historic miscalculation flattering putin made when he invaded ukraine. and it makes a bigger, stronger nato, bigger than it's ever been since its creation in 1949. but the last quote all use is i don't see either side of this war, you know, winning militarily. i think we're helping ukraine defend themselves, they're holding the russians at bay. i think it's vital, expand nato. send 40 billion dollars in aid to the ukraine. but continue diplomacy. give vladimir putin an off ramp to end this disastrous war. it's disastrous now for russia. it's disastrous for ukraine. and i'm afraid it will just drag on if, you know, either side gets over confident they can just win this quickly
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militarily. i've seen us in wars before. there is no quick, easy military victory. and civilian suffer the most. >> so, speaking of putin here for a moment. how do you anticipate or how do you think putin will respond if sweden and finland officially join nato? >> i think he wants too much. he's seen how effective nato weaponry is against his military. his military is a paper tiger. he's now got, i think, four and miles of new border along russia, that will be nato troops positioned. and what impressed me in the last few weeks is, you know, the may day, or sorry, the victory day parade, lateral putin is acting as a rational actor. he's not threatening nuclear weapons as much. he's not talk about drafting, you know, tens of thousands of conscripts from russia to their deaths. he's trying to hold on to power domestically. and i think that's a good sign.
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that he knows how weak his position is, he wants to hold on to power. and i'm hoping he will gradually de-escalate in ukraine. >> all right, david rohde, thank you so much. i always appreciate your insights. thanks for making time for us this evening. coming up, a major victory off the field for the u.s. women's national soccer team. we'll tell you about that. ou about that. bipolar depression. it made me feel trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it.
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federation announced that historical collective bargaining agreement that will actually and the gender pay gap for the national teams. it is a victory decades in the making. back in 1995, you may recall nine players on the women's national team were locked out of an olympic training camp following a dispute over bonus compensation. and 2019, 20 a players filed a wage discrimination lawsuit. star megan rapinoe went to congress to argue her team's case. >> we are still paid less than our male counterparts. for each trophy, which there are many, for each win, for each tie, for each time that we play, less. >> this has, of course, all gone and while the women's team dominated on the field, winning four world cups, four olympic
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gold medals and a lot more tournaments. we should note that this achievement off the field benefits fits both the women's feminist eames. under this new agreement, the men's national team will have access to childcare at all training camps and match it's, a benefit out the women's team has had for 25 years. is a good lesson for us because it represents how much we all gain when there is a level playing field. a victory for women is not a loss for men, it is a win for everyone. coming up on this hour of him in, election deniers one big on this week's election primaries. what happens if they win big in november? plus, the january six committee reveals for the first time that it has visual evidence on what might be republicans committing crimes. then, are not so fine farewell to madison cawthorn. i'm in, let's get started.

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