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we are. linda curry is not alone in that, but, how long are you willing to stick around for what turns out to be your eventual murder after you already suspect your husband? >> in linda's case, for the rest of her life. >> that's all for this edition of dateline, i'm craig melvin, thank you for watching. coming up on the mehdi hasan show. as ukrainian forces take back the region around kharkiv, some european countries worry that the potential for humiliating russian defeat could somehow pose a greater threat to the world. how is that even possible? we'll get into it. and covid cases and hospitalizations are on the rise, again. again, the cdc in the biden ministration messaging is all over the place. i'll speak to two top doctors to try and make sense of it all. plus, if your idea of a good time is tense conversations with friends over difficult issues, then you won't want to
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miss my conversation with comedian, sam joe. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> welcome to the show. i'm mehdi hassan. three months ago, russia launched its war on ukraine and we all thought it might be over in a few days. u.s. intel predicted kyiv would fall quickly to russian paratroopers. that didn't happen, thankfully. not only have the ukrainians defend themselves over the last few months, with the help of the western world, but they've gone on the offensive. ukrainian troops, this, week two we took land around the area of kharkiv, ruining russian plans for a blitzkrieg offensive. in fact, ukraine's defense ministry put out a video -- russian border, pushing russian invaders back on to their own turf. nbc news has not confirmed where or when that video was shot. according to the u k depends ministry, russia sacked two generals. one of who was responsible for kharkiv. meanwhile, the pipeline of the
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-- remains open, and more european nations are seeking to join the alliance itself. most recently, finland and sweden. even russians are breaking through the kremlin's propaganda wall to say their situation in ukraine is dire. he is retired russian colonel making the right anchors on a show very uncomfortable with a very sober take on this war. [speaking foreign language] >> these are all growing signs that ukraine is not just surviving the russian military onslaught, it's actually starting to win the war. there is now a new question that some european capitals are asking. when if ukraine winning the war isn't actually a good thing? bear with me here. let me explain. political reports that after
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weeks spent fretting over what would happen if russia across ukraine, western european leaders are now worried about what might happen if ukraine actually wins. political ads, after meeting joe biden last week, the italian prime minister pushed for ukrainian peace deal, -- for negotiations. the fear, as french president put it last week, is that prolonging the war and the ukrainian advances further humiliates russian president vladimir putin, inviting further escalation from moscow. the fear of putin's, so called, tactical nuclear weapons is not idle speculation. the use of those wmds for, quote, unquote, defenses, part of russian military doctrine. as the kremlin spokesman said -- >> i need to ask you this because the world is afraid and i want to know whether putin intends the world to be afraid of the nuclear option. would he use it? >> we have a concept of
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domestic security. it's public. you can read all the reasons for nuclear arms to be used. if it is an existential threat for our country, then it can be used in accordance with our con stepped. >> not terribly comforting when we're in an unprecedented war, and vladimir putin is facing an unprecedented problem, as he continues try and cover-up. and when he tries to blame it on ukraine, and nato, it's not just world leaders who are recommending an off ramp -- quote, i understand emotionally why people are rooting for a humiliating, decisive defeat of the russian military. but, let's not ignore the fact that the prospect of such a defeat is one of the most plausible scenarios for nuclear use. so far, that's not the american
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governments take. >> we want to see russia weekend, to the degree that it can't do the kinds of things that it has done in invading ukraine. it's already lost a lot of military capability, and a lot of it is troops, quite frankly. we want to see them and not have the capability to very quickly reproduce. >> ukraine can one, defend secretary lloyd austin added in those comments from last month. he was echoed this week by none other than republican senator mitch mcconnell, who followed up his own visit ukraine by telling npr, quote, we're all in the same team. the russians need to lose. the ukrainians need to win. in fact, in a bipartisan vote on thursday, the senate passed a bill for 40 billion dollars in new s aid to ukraine. in all of this, let's not forget that the ultimate decision on how and when the war ends belongs to the ukrainian people and the ukrainian government. if russia escalates with
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nuclear weapons, that affects all of us. it's where they asking those their respect us -- how do you get to a settlement that is in a road ukraine sovereignty, and that doesn't humiliate putin? it's also worth asking the total victory camp, how long and how many more lives will that take and what can be done along the way to prevent putin for making bigger, deadlier gamble. much to discuss and debate. joining me now -- president of the chicago council of global affairs, and former u.s. ambassador to nato. -- senior research fellow at the quincy institute, and offer -- fraternal rivalry. thank you both for coming back on the show and quebec together. you and i have discussed russia's war on ukraine multiple times on the show. early on, you pushed off on a diplomatic deal on the ground that ukraine could not win, but they are winning, and some people, i assume you too, are pushing again for a diplomatic deal to prevent further escalation. efforts is winning, do a deal.
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if russia's losing, to deal. if it is a, for, moscow is kind of heads i win, tells you lose. >> it depends what you mean by or ukraine winning. the point is, ukraine has already won a great victory, which is putin had the intention of getting rid of the ukrainian government, capturing kyiv, and reducing uk -- that's over. we shouldn't underestimate what's a colossal thing that is, in historic terms. as a success for ukraine, and in defeat for russia. it means that, even if russia keeps some bits of ukrainian territory, the vast majority of ukraine will now move towards the west. the speed of that, moving towards the european union, will depend on ukraine's own capacity for reform and of course, western aid as well. that's already a tremendous
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success. what we're talking about now is the terms of the territorial deal in eastern and southern ukraine. a key question there is, previously, ukraine knew saying that we push -- russia has to abandon, absolutely right elie -- in february. that's something we should all support. now you have voices saying that russia must actually -- ukraine should go on to conquer the separatist regions of the donbas, and even recapture crimea, which russia, according to russia, annexed in 2014. >> -- good point you make. -- okay, finish your point. >> at that point, as the
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russians face russian territory, the issue of russian using nuclear weapons has been raised, as a possibility. >> and those are all fair points. i'm gonna have -- responded. to be clear, ukrainians -- i wouldn't use the word conquer, you can't talk or if it's your own territory, but i know the pony are making. you've tweeted that a russian cease-fire -- difficult to see how ukraine except that, or why this is an outcome we should support. you also recognize the risks of an escalation. you came on the show before and were skeptical about a no-fly zone for precisely that reason. shouldn't we be more sober about the risks of continued russian losses? i would love nothing more than to give a humiliating defeat to vladimir putin, but at the same time, i don't ignore the fact that he is nuclear weapons. >> no, we shouldn't ignore that. we shouldn't let that single fact be the only thing that matters in the situation. let's just step back for a second. vladimir putin is the one who put himself in this position.
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he's the one who decided that russia needed to invade and the response that we've seen are all negative for russia. there are negative in terms of the economy, their negative in terms of where nato's, which is now military boosting its own presence in eastern europe. as of yesterday, it will likely to see two more members, finland and sweden, joining the alliance. russia has not achieved, even at the beginning of its schools, in ukraine. if russia wants an off ramp, at this point, the way to do that is to turn the forces around and go home. nobody asked them to come here. nobody asked them to be in ukraine, and they ought to be able to do that. if the ukrainians, at the moment, are feeling they have the capacity, to the very least, pushed them back to where we were on february 23rd, i think that would be a major, major step in the right direction. having a negotiation about
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where we're going to be, i think that makes sense. i agree with him. -- you may raise the stakes a little further than they need to be raised. even the status of crime media ought to be part of any negotiation that the parties have. who's going to negotiate, and when are they going to negotiate? that's not up to the president france, or the chancellor of germany, or the prime minister of italy. it's up to the ukrainians in the russians. let's support them in that effort. >> and atoll, he makes a very good point. the easiest of -- i just want to put this to -- >> put his hold on the median era -- he tweets, quote, talking of off-ramps, this gives urgently do something to laugh about during difficult times. putin's power over media will be complete until the moment it
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ceases. there is no interval where actions in the real world will make a difference. either our off-ramps or unnecessary, or there are relevant. what's your response to that? >> i think that completely underestimates the power of social discontent in russia. if you remember, when gorbachev came to power, and the whole soviet apparatus was still in place, he found an ill bag full of -- four mothers, from wives about the war in afghanistan. russian casualties, as they mount, will have an effect on russian public opinion, irrespective of what people know. there will be pressures on putin. -- agreed to get majority of what he said. the only thing is that, a, don't forget, for the
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ukrainians to go fully on the offensive, not just local offensively, fully on the offensive,, will create a different military equation. there is a risk that they turned victory into defeat it. second thing, once again, russians go back to the line of february the 23rd, and we negotiate. if enough pressure is put on russia, and russia's failure to achieve its objectives, -- as part of a diplomatic settlement. we shouldn't exclude that. >> -- what about the evolution of u.s. war goals? we've obviously supplied weapons, aid from the beginning, but have a listen to what massachusetts told fox a couple weeks ago. >> at the end of the day, we've got to realize where a war.
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we're not a war to support ukrainians, were fundamentally at war. it's >> do you important that we win. agree with that analysis that we are at war with russia, basically over oil? >> i do not think it is particularly helpful to put it in those terms. russia is at war with ukraine. it is a war that ukraine did not ask for and did not want. we are helping the ukrainians defend themselves. i have always thought and argue that this is not a war we want to fight directly. that's would fundamentally change the nature of the conflict in a way that i don't think it's helpful for anyone. what we need to do is support the ukrainians. and do that not only militarily bill so diplomatically. that means it is up to ukraine to decide what point they want to have a negotiation. and it is up for ukraine to decide what they're willing to live with with regard to the capabilities that the russians still have. we are not at war with russia. russia is an enemy, an adversary. we have a real fundamental
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difference with them not just in ukraine but in a lot of other places. we will do what we need to do in order to determine if necessary confront russia. if and when our interests are affected. but for now this is a war that is taking place between ukraine and russia, and our full support for ukraine is exactly the right thing to do given the fact that it is russia that started this war, and it is russia that can end this war. >> russia started the war by illegally invading ukraine. on that note, one last question to end the toll before we one other time. we heard someone make a freudian slip from former president w. bush. >> in contrast, russian elections are leg rigged. political opponents are imprisoned or otherwise eliminated from participating in the electoral process. the result is an absence of checks and balances in russia, and the decision of one man to lodge a wholly unjustified and
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brutal invasion of iraq. i mean of ukraine. iraq. anyway. 75. >> and atoll, putting aside the latter which is pretty disgusting when some people died in that illegal invasion, is it not another reminder that will be much better for the united states to hold other countries to account for a legal invasions if we did not do them to? and if we held our people to account when they did? >> well, that is exactly right. that is why outside the western alliance, you have countries, including countries which are principal very friendly to america like india, who have not sided with america in imposing sanctions. because they do see this strong element of double standards. which they would like it is a system based on international law. rather than the rules based order in which the west makes the rules. could they just add one more thing?
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briefly. when it comes to making peace in ukraine, of course ukrainians have to play the principal role. but if we are giving -- it if we are also running events economic risks for ourselves and the world economy, the global starvation as the secretary general of the un said yesterday, then obviously that also gives us a moral right to ascend in making the peace settlement. it is not only up to the ukrainians and russians. >> i want to give you the last word, 30 seconds. other respond and it'll or the george bush claim. >> it was unfortunate clip. as he, said he is 75. we all slip once in a while. the bigger point, of course, is that he is right. putin does not have any checks and balances. he can do whatever he wants to do. he decided to launch a massively destructive war. massively destructive for the people of ukraine, but
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ultimately massively destructive for the people of russia. this is a price will be paid for many years and is deeply unfortunate that we are in this situation in the 24th century. 21st. >> thank you both for your, time always appreciated. still to come, we are not out of the woods yet. covid numbers are surging yet again. so while why can't the cdc get its pandemic messaging straight? more on that with two top doctors when we come back. ctors when we come back. ♪ ♪ with a little help from cvs... can support your nutrition, sleep, immune system, energy...even skin. and before you know it, healthier can look a lot ♪ ♪ cvs. healthier happens together. ♪ sweet ♪ ♪ emotion ♪
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and we are out of the woods. that is quite a turnaround and guidance in a week, from happy green mask to put your mask back on. let me stress that the u.s. has not had some extreme out of the blue resurgence of covid. it has been spreading for weeks. but the cdc recently moved the goalpost. -- how it calculates risk from tracking the amount of virus that is spreading in any given location, and positive tests, to which the situation in -- it is like. this is where that green map that we showed you reflects. hospitals are not overwhelmed right now. and that is a good thing. at the moment there is no indication yet that we are heading back to the darkest days of this pandemic. and, again the darkest days of this pandemic should not be out benchmark. take a look at this particular cdc benchmark. a lot of doctors are saying is the only thing that matters. it shows you the number of cases and public positive test result in your area, based on the cdc's old metric. this map is telling us that we are still very much in the.
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the break, i was just saying before covid the break, covid cases are cases are spiking and spiking all over the there is mixed messaging country. there's mixed from the cdc and the messaging from the biden administration. so cdc, and the biden administration. how do we get through this so, how do we latest chapter of get through this latest the ongoing chapter of the pandemic ongoing pandemic? ? joining joining me me now is now, doctor -- doctor -- he's an he's an infectious disease doctor infectious disease at stanford doctor, and dr. university. jeremy faust, an doctor jeremy -- emergency he's also doctor at -- women's the writer of the hospital. he is inside medicine also the writer of newsletter on a series of bulleted thank you both for coming on thank you with for joining me. show. doctor, let me start with you. the administration, including
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the dr. administration, and the new ashish, the new white house covid coordinator, white house covid have both play down the coordinator, they've importance of covid played town the cases importance of covid. they say that cases, is not what matters. case numbers, it is hospitalizations they say, that's not and deaths. you what matters is, on hospitalizations and death. thursday, you with the way things are sort of tweeted, because i'm not sure. what's the right answer but you know that it cannot be strategies, i'm not sure, now downplaying but i know it cannot be why cases matter. downplaying why more vile cases matter. transmission is a bad thing more viral on an individual in the transmission is a bad thing at population level, the individual that is and population level. clear enough that is clear enough. . every time we have every time we have been been reassured that reassured that all is all is well, well, we we haven't been. haven't been. what so, would explain the explains discrepancy, dr. karan, a discrepancy between your between your view and the view and administration's view, much of the and much of the medias media and the governments view, that cases are view? >> relevant? hi mehdi, >> hey, thanks so much for having. me maggie, thanks so much for there are two things having me. going on i think there's two things going on. on the. on the one hand there is an one hand, attempt to make people think that there is no time things are. better and they to make people feel like things are are better in some ways. better political better -- tools. we have paxlovid val. we have more people transmission. more transmission, more transfer viral variants. we are seeing those emerge
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again in the cases now. we may not be so lucky in the future to say that the variants that we deal with after this could be more virulent, just like we saw with delta. could be overtime that some of our antivirals don't work as well. it could be that some of our vaccines don't work as well. the ability of getting additional boosters is really leaning. i don't hear the reassurance of an infectious disease doctor, i'm looking introspection it does not look gooddoctor i'm looking introspection it does not look good
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when they change their mask metrics they really made that shift -- and the degree to which the health care system would be. ready so i do think we are better off than we were in january, in the sense that if he will get sick with covid, there is care for them. that is a good thing. but when we look at the question of whether transmission risk is low, i agree with dr. reiner when he said that that is just misleading. people look at the map and think, i can go back to business and not worry about masking. no. with the way is being presented. >> doctor reiner called it camouflage. would you go as far as to call that mass misinformation?
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because it is not knowingly untrue in the sense that there are metrics that can make up that map. but for the average really person looking at that map, as dr. reiner's pointed out, it doesn't really tell you with the risk of getting covid is. it is misinforming you. >> what i would say is that if someone has that map and they don't realize that the risk of covid is high, i would not like it. that map is highly misleading in terms of the risk. if you go about doing normal life. it is why i think the greenlight method, go ahead, you are safe, you will not get this virus, it is incorrect. people looking at the map would be misled by that. >> dr., sticking with this issue of misinformation, was it misinformation to suggest, in the winter, before christmas, when all mcconnell surging, that this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated -- -- this would be a winter of death
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with the white house for unvaccinated people, when we now have data analyzed by the washington post that shows the vaccination made of 42% of deaths in january and february, journal more concerts, compared to making up to 23% of the dead in september, during the peak of the delta surge. the deaths were concentrated among some of the vulnerable, the elderly, those without boosters, and we should point out, getting vaccinated reduces your chances of dying. in overall, absolute terms, a lot of people who died were vaccinated, and i feel like the white house and administration didn't make that clear at all. >> yeah, maybe. this gets exactly back to the point of when you have a lot of transmission and a lot of cases, even a small percent -- [inaudible] >> did we lose doctor quran there? we'll wait to get him back. put the second question to you. what did you make the pandemic
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of -- oh, is he back? do you want to finish your point? >> the point i'm making is that, when you have a lot of transmission, even a small enforcement digital huge numbers a lot of people. we still saw that there are more deaths during omicron, and then there was during delta. we were taking care of patients who were immunocompromised, elderly, who had -- and these people matter. you can't just say that the people who are valley vernal are getting, six or no bills has to worry. it doesn't work that way. we're in this together. you can get around that. >> yeah, it's interesting that people say, if you bring up the statistics, those are people with two shots. well fine, redefine vaccinated three shots. the official definition is two shots, maybe that's outdated. you cowrote a piece in the times, i think glass of timber, criticizing the biden ministration's position on boosters. you essentially wrote that it was too early to push for boosters at that time, and you mentioned a few reasons for that. he said that the administration
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should, quote, focus on decreasing the number of unvaccinated americans, where a crisis remains. would you agree, we're past that now? we need to get more people boosted. the fda just signed off for boosters for 5 to 11-year-olds, the cdc still considering. >> there's a lot there. -- because they have a lower dose than everyone else, who's older. what i wrote in the new york times, we were laser focused on the problem that if you all for boosters for all, what would happen would be, we wouldn't get enough boosted between 50 and 60 plus. that's where most -- and terms of hospitalizations and death was. we were concerned that we shouldn't put all our eggs in the basket of the older population, and then continue to study the safety in the general population. for all ages, the third dose is safe in females, and for a small subset of males, maybe
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there's a risk benefit discussion to be had. at the time they rolled it out for all, we didn't have that info. we felt that you would save a lot more lives by going after the most highly -- and, by the way, i stand by that. i still think that for every senior that you vaccinate or boost, you could vaccinate or boost dozens or hundreds of younger people and still not at the same benefit. i stand by that point, but at this, point i think the boosters are safe, and what people need them. >> let me just ask you this because i follow you on twitter, and i've got a kid who's under the age of 11 who i want to get boosted. i know you have a kid under the age of five. there is still no vaccine for under five, what is going on there? have we abandoned our youngest members of society, pretending that covid doesn't affect kids, when omicron does? >> it's extremely frustrating. i have a four-year-old and we thought by now, it should be there. when the administration tried to move forward or the pfizer two dose plan in january, --
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the efficacy data wasn't strong enough and i felt that even a small number of parents who moved forward winning it with they were hoping for. it's got moderna looking good, and will probably find out in the coming weeks set of three dose pfizer series will work as well. when that happens, it will be a very different situation for a lot of families, like mine, because we do alter our behavior to keep our four year old safe. honestly, it's been a long time coming and the fda needs to move. >> the problem is people like yourself will get your under five -- under 11 boosted, but sadly, our child vaccination rates are pretty bad, especially in international terms. i think that's partly because it's been so much information that children are fine. -- just haven't taken the threat and children seriously. one last question, doctor quran. if doctor ashish jha, or doctor anthony fauci wondering you up and say, what is the one thing that we should be doing that we're not doing, but would you do if you're opposition?
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>> two things i would do. first, i would reinstate mask mandates for -- particularly public transit, and i'd be focusing on -- what we're doing about ventilation efforts. how are we getting the air changes per hour, in indoor buildings. what is the progress on that, with the timeline, with the funding, how it is going to happen and one is going to happen? those are two key things that i would want to know right now, and want to be done right now. >> the ventilation is importing. i'm so glad you mentioned it. doctor, 20 seconds left, why would you do? >> door to door vaccinations and boosters for the high-risk communities. we still have not reached communities of color. last year, we had a massive rollout of the vaccine and by the time the booster came around, a lot of these mega sites were gone, so we didn't get into communities who are most at risk. we have to go door to door, find the highest risk people, older folks, immunocompromised, people of color -- and i had three with -- n95 mask is huge, because it's
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a real difference. >> -- i hope they watch this segment and listen to both of you. doctor barbara quran, dr. jeremy -- i appreciate expertise. thank you both your time. >> still to come -- when if you can get people to talk about the most difficult issues in our society while they're relaxing uninhibited? it's a new approach to late night tv. and the comedian behind it all, sanjay, joins me on the other side of this very short break will. talk about season two of her show, pause, on hbo. stay with us. stay with us fastest 5g network. but, they don't. they only cover select cities with 5g. so, for me and the hundreds of drivers in my fleet, staying connected, cutting downtime, and delivering on time depends on t-mobile 5g. and with coverage of over 96% of interstate highway miles, they've got us covered. (vo) unconventional thinking delivers four times the 5g coverage of verizon. and it's ready right now. t-mobile for business.
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invented all your most opinionated friends to a house party, and started asking them tough questions about divisive political and social issues. we recently entertaining enough for tv? that is the basic concept behind the show pause with sanjay, available now on hbo. take a listen. >> excuse me ladies and
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gentlemen. my name is maria johnson. i didn't come out. you know how people talk about having everybody in the delivery room. excuse, me i have something to say! ♪ ♪ ♪ i ask hard questions. as a gay person, i do track -- and want to be able to see breaking all those rules. i want to know what's -- looks like. we have said we are, which is messy. because people are massively. >> all bets are off. >> if you show all of it, you leave room for -- >> in the first season of, pause, sam j. unpack the idea of money, tribalism in america, and black conservativism with some black conservatives. here is some of that exchange.
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>> being a black person and having your own political ideology, do whatever you want. i'm not gonna take away everyone anyone's blackness. >> -- >> what's your call for you guys makes you conservative? >> i don't believe asking people crap. we've to do it for ourselves. if we weidemann riding on the bus stops chasing kids. so we have our woman on facebook praying, oh lord, please help us. white men showing our kids. we need help. i mean a video that went viral and said, no, let us men get up in the morning from 6:00 to 7:30, ride the buses and get the kids, and we are going to ride around the neighborhood. >> now, pause with sam jay his back for a second season, and she will be confront even more difficult topics such as racism and alcoholism. he has two premiers this friday, may 20th, on hbo. she joins me now.
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she also participate in the peacock series bus down. and was a host of saturday night live up until the end of 2020. sam, thank you so much for joining me. how did you come up with the premise for your show, and why do you choose to focus on this really interesting casual conversational setting? >> i just wanted it to feel like how conversations actually feel. i feel like a lot of the time when we watch late night, it does not feel like how you actually are when you are talking to your friends. and i wanted to bring something if you look talking to your friends and hanging out. >> one of your friends is behind us entertaining us as well. it is a fascinating premise for the show. but if you look we are so divided right, now sam. can you describe the conversation from your show that actually changes your viewpoint or another gusts we point about something? for a time when you are able to find some middle ground of what you might be able to find? >> i think that happens a lot this season. season two is superpersonal.
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i heard a lot of topics i've struggled with, questioning myself. and so a lot of this season i left feeling like, well, i did not think about that coming in. i have a new perspective coming out. i have a whole episode about addiction, am i addicted to alcohol, they gave me a lot of insight into addiction actually isn't actually looks like, and how we can vary and how can be indifferent to anything. that is number so that is coming out next week, where we really talk about race and try to talk about race from a real space. and i think i gain a perspective from that one as well. i have a conversation with a bunch of white guys in the woods. and it actually surprised some of the things are here. so it's a lot of moments for me, honestly. >> on your show you have conversations with people who do not necessarily agree with you on major issues, for example racism.
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i, wonder is there a point when you draw the line and say, this opposing viewpoint is so out there, so extreme, so dangerous, it is not worth giving a platform to? for example, i have said that i will not have election deniers on this show. i do not want to amplify that nonsense. is there a line for you where you say, no, we are not going to do that? >> i am sure there is, i don't know if i fit it yet. everything that we are talking about as of right now, there is not been anything we felt, like this person's thoughts or too old. but i'm sure there is. i just have not hit the threshold for myself yet. >> and sam, tv comedy, late night shows, snl in particular, have been criticized over the years for a lack of diversity. for example i believe you are the first black lesbian writer in the show's 50-year history. and i wonder, do you think that hollywood, tv comedy, in particular snl has made progress in terms of diversity, especially in the world of
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comedy over the last four years, or not? >> for sure i think so. and i feel like there was a black lesbian in snl way before me. i think she was a cast member. but i don't know if it has been some super big issue. overtime, like most things. but i definitely see a shift across the board. >> what is next for you in your shell? where you want to take this fascinating premise for a show next? >> wherever it will let me go, really. it feels like a show that can go anywhere. i would like to take it globally. have conversations outside of america. i think that would add respect about you not a surly have. when it comes to the show a lot of it is self exploration for me as well. and we being top new things. and i think that would just be another level of learning it grow. >> congratulations on season
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endorsed him. before we go, let's look at a few candidates this week were trump's endorsement could have made an impact in the republican primaries. madison cawthorn, the youngest republican elected to congress in america, as we mentioned wednesday lost his primary in north carolina. the power of trump's endorsement was not enough to overcome the greatest sin, of him suggesting that his gop colleagues attended cocaine fueled orgy's. another trump endorsed primary candidate was janice mcgahn, who declared last week that christ will rain in the state of idaho. she also attend a conference for white supremacist, challenging incumbent government and lost by more than 20 points. no help from trump there. and tv doctor mehmet oz looks like he might pull through by the skin of his teeth in pennsylvania, but that senate race has not called yet, it is hardly a triumph for trump. it is not over, there is still georgia's primary, with trump endorsed former senator david perdue, to challenge incumbents governor kemp.
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