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imani perry is at -- author of south to america, another remarkably important book. i'm going to keep the discussion going with eddie and imani perry about tony morrison. very soon you are going to be able to catch the extended cut, which will be exclusively available on peacock, msnbc's streaming network. check on a personal twitter and audio account for the details. we are going to let you know as soon as it is available, at ali valerie, and at velshi msnbc. that does it for me. thank you for watching. back next saturday and sunday. do not when you are just next. up, yet next, michael steele filling in for jonathan capehart on the sunday show. which begins right now. >> this, morning georgia is on our minds after record setting early morning turnout, taking place in tuesday's primaries, and donald trump's rearrange fantasy we will have a preview of what's to expect.
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plus, some real talk about my fellow republicans, why are you calling these people pushing racist replacement theory? what is up with? that time to speak up. what did rudy say? we have the latest on giuliani's hours with the january six committee. and to the panel could call next. i am michael, steele in for jonathan kaye part. and this is the sunday show. this sunday, we are counting down the tuesday primary elections. as republicans continue to fight for control of congress and dems fight for democracy. polls will close for georgia, alabama and arkansas as primary races this used it as well as polls in texas primary runoff election. early voting in georgia close friday, with a record of over 100,000 votes 212% increase from 2020. despite the states new voting restrictions.
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it is shaping up to be a tough battleground for donald trump. he denies that it's going up under the purdue, histories for governor and fellow election denier, but purdue is trailing far behind incumbent brian kemp in the latest polls. that could set up a fall rematch between camp and stacey abrams, a flashback of 2018's closely contested race. meanwhile, moscow republicans, many of whom denied the 2020 election results, continue to battle for seats. so far, trump's maga cult has been making big wins in primaries. but will his luck when outcomes use a night? especially in georgia? the states seems to be obsessive for trump. joining me now, washington correspondent for the atlanta journal-constitution, téa mitchell and senior adviser to the lincoln project, tara setmayer. she's also former gop congressional communications director. welcome to you both. téa, your currently there in georgia. what's your reaction to the record turnout despite the new voter suppression laws put in
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place by governor kemp? >> so, georgia voters are very energized in general. georgia voters know there is a swing state they know especially on the republican side there a contested primary. the voter law, the impact of the voter law will come after election day and the test will be close races. the test will be if voters say i was not able to pass the ballot because i needed a drop box late at night or the line it was long and i needed water and nobody could bring it to me. that is going to be the test of the election law. and it remains to be seen if there will be impact but what democrats have said is, why take that risk? why change the law in ways that were needed in ways that could affect people ability to vote on tuesday or any other day during the early voting period? >> so tia, i want to stay with
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you on that point because second stacey abrams second time running for governor. do you expect this to be yet another yet another face-off between governor kemp and stacey and if so, how will this be different from 2018 showdown especially given the increase in the number of people who turned out for early voting? >> yes, all indications are that this is going to be a rematch. there's a good chance that governor kemp will win the primary outright on tuesday. without the need for a runoff. stacey abrams doesn't have a primary challenger. and so a lot of things will be different. i think that governor kemp's, the differences he has a record to run on as an incumbent. that's going to make it harder to beat him. but stacey abrams is different now, she's had four years where she has become a political rock star on the left. so she's a stronger candidate. in addition, over the past four years, the demographics of georgia have continued to shift. georgia's not only grown but
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it's grown more diverse. and those are things that benefit democrats but again, we do have that new election law to contend with. camp versus abrams in 2018, was very close. we would predict that it would be very close again in 2022. but demographics, the law, the candidates and also inflation will matter. the price at the gas pump will matter. president biden's popularity and how involved he gets in the race, those are all things that are going to be factors and are going to make the race interesting to watch for the next several months. >> all those things are going to have a real impact on turnout. so tara, the -- you gotta love this, the latest poll has camp with a huge lead over david perdue. trump's avowed candidate. however, trump hates camp. how could that be a factor in
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the battle between abrams and kemp? >> so the interesting part about this is that not only is brian kemp absolutely dominating the primary, donald trump hates to lose. and he hates us spend money. and both of those things are going to happen for him in georgia. he spent $2 million, his pacs sent $2 million to purdue. which is the largest i, believe, amount of money that his package given to any candidate for nothing. he's going to lose. and the thing about this is that there's also not only the camp race, but there's also the secretary of state race which we should be paying close attention to with brad raffensperger. who was someone that else that -- it was company rockets berger who bravely said no, we're not going to find those 11,000 votes and make them up so you can win. they stopped the scheme. so they are at the center of this, of the election fraud
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attempts by donald trump. and he's most likely going to be handed a huge loss there. and i think it's important for us the potential to that because it will be a harbinger of whether the political weaponization of the big lie is successful or not going into the fall. because we can tell that donald trump and maga world is investing a lot in candidates who are focused on that aspect of it. this is part of the revenge tour. will it be successful or not? primaries are very different than general elections. so when you see kemp against abrams in the fall, i think that dynamic this year will be a little bit different because the presence of donald trump in these races is such a motivating factor that it may be a lot more competitive and was competitive last time. but it could come down to the wire again in the fall for the georgia governor's race. >> well tara, speaking of a dynamic. georgia senate race, u.s. senate race, the senate -- herschel walker who in my humble opinion as a former
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county chairman, state chairman a national chairman, is completely inexperienced for this job ahead of him. >> you think? >> and yet, he's got trump endorsement, his some of approval. maga world is all gaga for him. how does that shape up for you? how does that senate race against democratic senator raphael warnock look to you? >> you know, this just gave senator warnock much greater, a much greater change a winning. reelection in november. he's been doing an excellent job as a senator. he's very well respected in the state. and you compare him to an absolute degenerate like herschel walker, he is a degenerate loser liar fraud, domestic abuse are. and this is someone who the republican party has backed as their senate candidate. shame on mitch mcconnell and everyone else who has put up with the sham that herschel
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walker is. would an embarrassment. michael, you and i know that candidate recruitment was really important and something that the republicans used to be prideful about. the east of pride in this, about the quality of the candidate they put forth. especially for senate. and you have this fool as your leader for the senate race in georgia? i mean, not only is he a liar, he lied about graduating top of this class in georgia. he did need to do much research to find that out that was a lie, let's be honest. he's also has a violent history against women, police officers, he's talked openly about murdering thoughts. i mean, really? not only that, it just came out recently in a believe it was an ap report that there is questions about his role in a veterans charity which is something that he's used as a point of his biography and his resume is something that he's done working with veterans. there's questions about the role that he played they are and whether they preyed on veterans and skim the
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government. this is so on brand for donald trump and who he supports. you have a third rate loser who's come back and now saying, spouting maga, talking points. and now he's the trump sky. why are we surprised? it's an embarrassment for the republican party. >> well, there's a lot of embarrassment to go around for sure. i want to thank tia mitchell for spending a little bit of time for us. tara, i want to bring you back in our next hour to have some more talk about crazy. still to come, on the sunday so. more on president biden's first trip to asia since taking office. plus the latest out of ukraine and with the latest package from the u.s. could mean for ukrainian fighters. but first, how confident should democrats be that they'll learn, earn the black voter support ahead of november's make-or-break midterms. guess what, we're not all monolith, y'all, come on now. it's a conversation you don't want to miss. ♪("i've been everywhere" by johnny cash) ♪
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>> what has made you feel like voting is not worth it? >> you just said there when you see your elders say something, so that you know at the town hall or something like that, and nothing is being done about it. after a while you just becomes not the fact during your life that. you just feel, like i do and i gotta do. make away for my family and everything like that. -- don't really matter. >> ahead of last tuesday's primary in north carolina, many young african americans did not seem to engage. that should be sending alarm bells raining in the democratic party, which absolutely depends on the continued support of black voters. how strong of a hold does the democratic party actually have? and what happens if black voters stay home in november? joining me to discuss is a cliff albright, executive director of the black voters matter fund. and alicia garza, principal of
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the block to the future action fund. welcome to you both. so, let's start with you. cliff. black americans are among the most affected by inflation. and other economic ills. but that is not the only issue the black voters care about. whether democrats getting wrong in their messaging at this moment? >> good money to. michael always good to share the space with my sister in the movement, alicia. we cover the country, clearly. we care about inflation, or what many of us more properly call corporate greed. we care about police violence, which is demonstrated all throughout 2020. it is interesting where people, say when you block voters care about? we have a whole bunch of black voters and black community members and particularly young folk who demonstrates what exactly is that we care about and are passionate about. for the historic summer protest. we want to see some type of protest. we care about student, that we care about health. contrary to the beliefs of the
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senator from louisiana, it actually matters. you can't just discount a black woman in black maternal mortality rates. that is actually i think that we need to deal with in the black community cares about all these issues. we care about racial justice, writ large. and we care about voting rights. because many of us recognize that historic voting rights where you will get movement on all these other issues that we write passionate about. and so there is a range of issues, and it is happening at the national level is going to continue to impact turnout. but many of these races, georgia is a good example, it is also about what the options are that are being presented in each state. and some of these states have a very clear contrast between people that have been fighting for us, and people that have been very much anti black in their politics and in our personal lives. >> a, lesia cliff makes a very interesting and important point, particularly when he was talking about discounting the black voter out there. and yes, never more have you seen that then in a state like florida where the appeals court
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reinstated what governor ron desantis redistricting map in florida. what consequences will that i've have on a black voters in florida, ahead of these bitter elections? >> we deters to deal, is it serves to weaken the black about. it serves to disperse it. it also serves to dilute the power of the black vote. this is the reason why they pass and move these redistricting maps. because they want to concentrate black votes in a particular place, and therefore make it almost impossible to impact politics at a state level. and, then of course, i do national evelyn. these are the kinds of things that black voters do care about. what we see is that the rules are rigged against us. but we don't see is politicians and elected officials standing up to move an agenda that includes all of us. especially black voters. when we talk about the issues that black voters care, about when we talk about what
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democrats are getting wrong as it relates to messaging to black voters, i am not sure it is a message in question as much as it is an engagement question. as much as it is a winning question. black voters want to see policy change in a positive way on the issues that we care about. we want to see a political party that's depends on our votes to make progress. actually, embedding themselves in our communities. not just during election cycles, but in between. we want to make sure that we are not just dealing with symbolism. but black voters want to see substance on the issues that we care about. and until that happens, the democratic party is going to continue to see black voters sit back and sit home. in a moment where democrats actually very much need black voters to not just participate, but to lead. >> it is an interesting a dynamic that you mentioned there, alicia. because you do have some
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candidates out there that are really striking and appealing. john fetterman, for example. he just won the democratic senate primary in pennsylvania. but his previous actions may prevent some black democratic voters from supporting him, in new york times opinion piece, michael sokolov writes, quote, mr. biden's most worrisome vulnerability is his appeal to his party's most dependable voting bloc. black voters. in philadelphia and the states other urban centers. the places where any democratic running state wide must mind the largest trove of votes. why do you think that is a problem for him? what do you make of this? i know it refers back to the episode that he had holding a young african american and bag with a gun. what is a storyline here? is that trying alicia was just referencing? or is that such an outlier but it is not going to matter? >> i do not know.
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it matters, usa matters. we have got to be honest. black voters are far more nuanced and sophisticated than a lot of people like to give us credit for. there are people out there that think we just want to vote for a black face, and so they will throw in somebody licorice a walker. there are people out there that think we are just going to vote blue matter who. and that is clearly not the case. so you know, what's veteran, does we are able to see is not just fetterman. it is other democratic candidates. we were able to see the things that they do in the way that they symbolize. black voters are pennsylvanian across the country notice when a candidate like futterman campaigns in a certain way. we only go to certain parts of the state. when he was more emphasis on the swing voters, or the quote unquote swing voters. because we always, say the most important swing voter is not the when they were trying to convert from republican to democrat. it is a swing voter who you need to convert from non engaging to engaging. but we see when these candidates are taking a certain stance, where they are trying
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to prioritize certain voters, we see that whether he refuses to apologize for his actions. we see that that means something to us. so it is partially a messaging problem issue. it is partially a policy issue. it is partially just, are you willing to fight for us? black, folks we are very forgiving. and, again we have very understanding. we know that there are systemic obstacles out there. probably nobody in this country understand systemic obstacles more than we do. right? but you can't use that as an excuse to not even fight for us. we need to see you at least fight for us. and if you lose because of these obstacles, we can deal with that. we might saw you accountable. but we can at least understand that. but it too often, we are seeing folks not even willing to fight for us. that is an issue. >> thank you, cliff, for that. cliff albright and alicia garza, thank you very much i appreciated. coming up after the break. co-host of the ig and politics podcast joins me next. with some valuable advice on
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voter turnout is low. we all know that. but it's especially low among young voters. in the 2018 midterms, 28.2% of americans under 30 voted but in 2014 and 2010, that turnout was significantly lower and the democratic party faced devastating defeats across the country. over the past two years, biden's approval rating from the under 30 crowd has hit depths no president, democratic president has plumped in decades. fueled by records to loan debt, high inflation, and what they see as broken campaign promises. but democracy on the ticket, every vote counts so what brings the youth out to the polls? we'll get them there? joining me now is victor chi,
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co-host of item politics podcast and one of the youngest elected delegates for joe biden in 2020. hey victor, what's up, welcome man. >> hi, so nice to be with you, michael. >> excellent. i'm really glad to have you on, i love the space in this conversation. you recently wrote a piece for the boston globe and you say democrats can succeed in getting my peers to the polls if they do two things. first, they must clearly present the contrast between what democrats and republicans have accomplished. and what each party stands for. and second, they must utilize new social media platforms. tell me a little bit more about that and we are you think this is going right now. >> definitely, so here's the bottom line. there's no path for victory november without the votes from young people for democrats. and i think there is good and bad news for democrats in large part. the bad news is that there's an increasing number of young people who expressed disapproval of how president biden democrats are performing
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compared to a year ago. and he shot on the graph there, a little while back. but the good news is that they're under six months between now and november. and young people seem energized and ready to turn out in similar rates to that in 2018 which help democrats win. so i think the remaining months between now in november, i really see two things as i mentioned in the boston globe piece that democrats need to do in order to mobilize my peers. the force is i think presenting in clear contrast to defending the republican democratic parties. i think that's the easy part. republicans are clearly targeting people like me, people who are in classrooms, they're banning books, they're targeting lgbtq expression. they're making the lives of people harder. and democrats aren't. and i think second, democrats really need to utilize social media platforms. we saw this in georgia, in 2020. within candidate jon ossoff and reverend raphael warnock. utilizing new social media platforms. so ultimately, i think it's about doing the hard work and need to show people that we matter if they want to earn our vote. >> so, victor, i mean the
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social media platforms and all that's good. i appreciate it's all good and well. but democrats have always had a message of problem. it's one of the things that quite honestly i took advantage of back in 2010. and we see the opportunity for that again in this cycle. by then -- had success in getting infrastructure done, they've had efforts like build back better, climate change, student dead and voting rights. are now facing hard roadblocks. how do democrats convince younger voters that they are a priority in their agenda when younger voters don't feel that they are? >> it's so challenging and as you very well know, michael, six months we see now in november is an eternity in politics. and a lot can change. well i don't think democrats are in the best position to win right now, i do think there's a lot of time to reverse course and i agree with you that communication messaging is going to be key, especially for me in my purse to turn out and vote. i think democrats often have a tendency to go into high road
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side of the debate, the classic michelle obama saying when they go low, we go high. but i think now is the time for democrats to present in clear terms as possible, for young voters the difference between republicans and democrats. so for instance, democrats aren't trying to band books, they are in trying to limit civil rights. is the republican party that's doing that. but i think being more aggressive is one strategy democrats to take but i think young people really need to understand the difference in both parties and they need to invest in young voters. and they need to me that's where we are, the to come to college campuses, need to show us that we matter. and i think a lot of that has to do with showing us that we matter and we are included in the conversation. we don't like being talked at, i think we like to be included in the conversation. so i think that's going to be key in terms of showing young voters that we can trust the democratic party and vote for their candidates. >> so viktor, here's a vote for me. our young people checking out because they, the change that they were promised hasn't come to fruition? and who said it was going to
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happen just because you voted. because the voting is just the first part of it. accountability, staying on top of the issues, pressing the point. it's a big piece of this as well. so how do you see that dynamic right now? >> right, so i'm so glad you asked this question, michael. because they don't actually think that mina pierson essentially checking out from politics, i think it's actually the opposite. so poll show that were expected turnout in 2022 with the same rate that we did in 2018 which is a hero that saw historical turnout from young people. and in turn help democrats win. we continue to see young people energetic and ready to fight for key issues. and a lot of me and my peers are running for state and local offices. but what i think is different compared to 2018, and even 2020 for that matter, is that more people my age don't seem to believe in the traditional process of government and elected officials anymore. there was a harvard youth poll that came out a couple of weeks ago that showed nearly 60% of young people don't believe that politics can solve the issues facing young people anymore.
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and i think that's an surprising given the many challenges that face our lives, from gun violence to climate change to the cause of education. all of those don't seem to be improving. so i don't think it's realistic for young people to expect that everything will be better. by looking better elected officials. but i do think that we expect those who hold power to listen to our voices and include us in the decision-making process. and really use legislative or executive tools available to turn out my peers. that's something i think democrats need to do between now november and i think could make a huge difference in getting my generation to vote for them. >> i can't believe i'm about to quote barack obama but he was right, we are the change we seek. and that is elemental, i think, to a lot of young voters out there. victor chi, thank you so much, my friend, for coming on. i really appreciate you, man. >> later, why is it so hard for some republicans to denounce white supremacy? come on now. we'll talk about it in the next
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hassan airbase. as a show of support for the alliance between the two countries. nbc news correspondent caralee is traveling with the president, and he joins me now from tokyo. japan. welcome carroll. carol lee. what can we expect from biden's visit in tokyo today? >> well largely, michael, he's going to be focused on the economy while he was here in the pan. there will be some focus on a north korea that is obviously a big issue in the region. we have heard from u.s. officials today that they are still concerned that north korea could test a nuclear device or an intercontinental ballistic missile while the president is in japan. that is still an issue. low to the other security issues that are discussed when the president meets with the prime minister. the president is also going to unveil this indo-pacific economic framework. and so that is designed to have the countries in the region get on the same page in terms of
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enhancing trade among them. and dealing with things like supply chains and tackling climate change. the question with all of that is how many countries actually sign on to this. the idea is to have some economic checks on china promoting what the administration is calling economic security. he will also meet with the quad, the u.s. japan australia and india -- and they'll be significant because it will focus on ukraine, a lot of pressure on the indian prime minister modi, who the present only with one to back the west in terms of putting a check on russia. punishing russia for its invasion of ukraine. he is largely julie sat on the sidelines there. the administration has been trying to push india to take a more hard stance. that is something else to watch. but generally speaking, this portion of the trip is really about the economics and the security, and is focused on china. >> i understand the president biden is also talking about
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domestic issues as well. >> that is right. particularly in south korea, he is focused on the couple of companies, south korean companies, they are going to open manufacturing plants in the u.s.. they will bring jobs to the u.s.. and help deal with some of the economic issues there. on the longer term. not necessarily right away. and he was also asked about monkeypox, which he says is something that everybody should be concerned about. take a listen to that. >> they have not told me the level of yet, but if something happens that we should be concerned about, we are working on it hard. -- vaccine may be available for it. but it is a concern, in the sense that if it were to spread, but it is not going to. >> now, we heard from the presence national security advisor, dave sullivan, that he has been briefing the president on monkeypox, residents health and medical advisers throughout
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this trip. so there is potentially more to come on that. a lot of the president's plate here as he continues his second stop in this four-day trip in asia. >> thank you carol lee from tokyo, japan. ahead, ukraine is getting more military and humanitarian aid from the u.s., as russia continues its assault on that nation. we will talk to former congresswoman jane harmon. so don't go anywhere. anywhere looking to get back in your type 2 diabetes zone? once-weekly ozempic® can help. ♪ oh, oh, oh, ozempic®! ♪ ♪ oh, oh, oh ♪ ozempic® is proven to lower a1c. most people who took ozempic® reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it.
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vladimir putin. >> the ukraine effort to push back the russians got a huge boost this week, when president biden signed the new 40 billion dollar military humanitarian aid package. it comes as russia continues its assault on eastern ukraine and claimed victory in that long battle for control of a steel plant in mariupol. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy says the extra assistance is needed more than ever. but is it enough? joining me now, former congresswoman jane hartman who served on the house armed services intelligence and homeland security committees. she's also the author of insanity defense, such a pleasure to welcome my old friend to the sunday show. so this war has already gone on for nearly four months. and we're looking at new assistance coming into play now. how is this going to play out? how do you see this money
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helping push the ukrainian effort forward? >> well good on congress for doing this on a bipartisan basis with only 11 votes know in the senate. that's an amazing, so let's elaborate congress for the next one minute. and i, applaud them for that. economic assistance will buy advanced weapons along with other assistance from nato through this fiscal year, through september. but meanwhile, i want to point out, i think the conversations shifting a little bit. there is a lead editorial in today's new york times saying, the war on ukraine is getting complicated in america isn't ready. now what does that mean? it means that we are now talking about strategic defeat of russia. that's what our ambassador to nato said yesterday. and zelenskyy celebrating his third year after being inaugurated as president was talking about how this and, this will end in diplomacy. so it's up to ukraine to call
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the end but it is a little different conversation and maybe the point is that russia is 11 time zones, has nuclear weapons and we better be thinking forward about not only russia but the threat of china and on that point, let's applaud president biden for going to asia for his trip there. and rallying countries that are in our zone of friends economically and in terms of discussing the fence. >> so ukraine's president says whatever happens from the battlefield, the real resolution in talking about that complication will happen at the negotiating table. that seems to be with the complication is. here's what he had to say on a television appearance on saturday. >> and now, it is hybrid. that is why the war is so difficult. and the victory will be very difficult. it will be bloody. it will be in battle. but the end will definitely be in diplomacy.
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>> you think he's right? >> yes. i think he's right. i mean again, it's ukraine's call. and the west is united. i think russia did not predict how strong the ukrainian heart is. it's stronger than a tank or an airplane or a naval vessel. but they also did predict that not only would nato rally to get her but that nato would now move to add two more members in a very strategic part of europe because it borders, they will have the arctic where russia has been playing, trying to play. and so i think russia's in a weaker position. and this is strategic defeat already. declaring victory over a steel plant in mariupol is almost laughable. almost laughable after three months of bombing it. but on the other hand, thinking forward. president biden just thinking about him as a global leader has to deal with inflation at home, there is enormous food insecurity in the world. and a lot of countries are going to be in dire straits and
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our leadership is needed there to. and it's a good thing for him finally to be focused on what is america's global role going forward. my book makes the point that we haven't had a strategy for that since the cold war ended and we've paid a huge price over four and a half presidencies. >> that strategy is really changing quite a bit now because when you stop and look at the fact that sweden and finland are saying hey, me too, we want to join, we want to play with everybody in nato. turkey's out, they're saying it not so fast. first off, what's their problem? and second, how will nato and our allies address this desire to bring in finland and sweden? >> i think they're very positive. i think turkey is playing for, turkey wants something else. this is a negotiating ploy. i don't think that turkey is going to ultimately block it. i think ten crews and a few others and congress do this on a regular basis. but turkey does have affiliations with russia.
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turkey does have, by strategic weapons from russia. their missile defense system is russian. even though they're a member of nato. so it's a little tricky but i predict that finland and sweden will be admitted. president biden is already sent a notice to congress to accelerate on a fast-track basis, the admission approval from the u.s.. all the members of nato have to ultimately approve this. but for sure, u.s. isn't easy aston again i think where these countries are located is personally important to grow nato strength. and one more point, the president of poland yesterday met with zelenskyy in ukraine. and poland has been a really strong ally in welcoming refugees. so from ukraine, so i think this is more evidence about a united nato. >> i want to jump a little bit ahead and bring it back home here to domestic politics. because you know a little bit of something about domestic politics, having run for congress.
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the republicans say to a -- doctor oz and david mccormack is too close to call. everyone's all a twitter about that and all kind of figuring out what they're going to do there. what's your take of that race? and the potential opportunities there? >> michael, we've known each other since before either of us was in politics. so let's admit that. for the record. but on this one, it ain't over till it's over. to quote yoga. and there are lawyers over this thing, the votes have been counted. i would count each side to say it wasn't fair. but we will know ultimately if it is fair. and it's sort of caught, brings back my own the memories of my first reelection in 1994 where on election night, i was down 250 votes. and then the late absentee votes, 10,000 of them, i know it's smaller than pennsylvania recounted and with lawyers observing and i won by 111 votes out of 225,000.
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and in my opponent who had already flown to washington and declare that she was running for freshman class president on the republican side, challenge my race for another nine months after the federal contest of elections act. and i still won. but the point is, it's a long slog and that's our democracy. i think all the votes to be counted and the winner will be the winner. of the primary. >> there is a whole another game when we get the general. representative shane harbor, thank you so much for coming in this morning. it's great to be on with you. coming up, in the next hour, what more should republicans be doing to step out weights the promises found some of the constituents? two for her balkans and a gop congressman weigh in. plus, more on the nine hours of virtual testimony don trump's personal lawyer, rudy giuliani, gave the select committee on friday. and what the market is sanity is all about this week, what's it signaling, with the health
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to the sunday show. i'm michael steele in for jonathan kaye part. when a white teenager opened fire in a supermarket in buffalo last week, killing ten
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people, all of them black, he was acting on a white right-wing whites for mr. study all just include the quote unquote great replacement theory. you never heard of, it right? we'll just listen to fox. >> the plan is to bring in millions of people into this country, illegally, so they can give them a green card and citizenship in tournament to voters so that they can control the country. >> that is just one tiny example of the theory that has been held for years by fox and many of the republican politicians who frequent his airwaves. but the calls to repudiate that theory in the party, even after buffalo, do not hold your breath. this week at a press conference ostensible leader of the party mitch mcconnell was given three chances to explicitly reject the concept, and he did not. because apparently the republican party just will not reject racism. never mind according to the anti defamation at lead, white supremacy has been behind the majority of the nearly 450 murders committed by political
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extremists over the past ten years. still, the republican parties leaders are silent. but here's the thing. if the republicans really wanted to pursue this from their ranks, they would. just look at madison cawthorn. the trump backed former rising star lost his reelection bid this week, and it does not seem to be because he finally crossed off his visit to hitler 's vacation home. yep. or called with a volodymyr zelenskyy a thug. or his history of racism. no, none of that. the only time his antics were deemed unacceptable by the party was when he claimed his parties engaged in coke field orgies. that is what got him throwing off the party train. but great replacement theory, apparently republicans are happy to let that slide. joining me now are the tariffs that mayor, former congressional communications director, and senior adviser
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the lincoln project. former illinois congressman, and author of f silence, joel. in miles taylor, former dhs chief of staff and cofounder and executive director of renew america movement. welcome to you all. folks, this is the unscripted part here. this is the republican. the republican club. here we. go less rock and roll. so what is your take on where we are right now in the face of buffalo? you have this sense of the country looking at this. the perpetrator explicitly stating, this was racist. he's intense or racist. it was fueled by white nationalism. how are you assessing this moment inside the gop? >> i think it was very illuminating to see how the republican party would respond through this. they have really shown us who they are. my angela said that they show
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you are the first time you leave them. and for the years that i spent in the republican party, i was in denial about how influential this idea of racism, xenophobia, culture wars, and this fear of the other, how much of that was still there in the underbelly of the party. and now it has percolated to the top and i think it is absolutely despicable that leaders of the party who have a claim for years that they have no tolerance for this, apparently do have a tolerance for this. their words have consequences, and their inaction to repudiate this despicable white replacement theory garbage that has been spewed out of the males of fox news, celebrities, and members of congress and republican leadership, stefanik i'm talking about you, they refusal to repudiate this has led to bloodshed. and this is not the first time. and i fear it will not be the
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last time, either. but is more important for them to run maintain power. it is more important for them to continue to promote this white grievance about being replaced. this fear of being replaced. the spear of the other. that is moe important to them. political power. more important than doing the right thing. this is a neo-fascist movement that has percolated up into the republican party, into the mainstream of the party. and as long as you have leaders like mcconnell and others, who will not say no, but stop athwart history, when no one else will, which is why bill buckle used to say that we should do is conservatives, no one is willing to do that anymore. and you will continue to see this mainstream, and i fear more violence ahead. shame on them for that. it is dangerous for our democracy. as a liberal, as a guest. >> so, joe. my man joe. this is for you, baby. there is this tennessee pastor who absolutely lost his freaking mind. last sunday.
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doing a service from the pulpit. take a listen. >> i am to the place right now, where if you go democrat, i don't even want you around. here you can get out. get, out you demon. get, out you baby bush. elections the. you cannot be a -- vote democrat in this nation. butter devils. i am sick of it. anybody want to talk of the insurrection? let me tell you something. you've not seen the insurrection yet. you keep on pushing our, buttons you will go down sorry, compromiser's. you've got hating communists. you will find it with an instruction is. >> what's the hell? i mean seriously. from the pulpit. i would even get into his tactical status from his church, we will say that for the irs to investigate that. joe, what is your response to
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what tara has referred to as this ongoing amalgamation of insurrection attitude to behaviors within the party? >> it is not fringe anymore, michael. with that pastor preached is no longer fringe. look, you and i have talked before. the base of the republican party is fully radicalized. people like me have helped radicalize the space. to the point now where the base of the republican party denies basic truth. they have given up on democracy. and they want a dictator to rule. michael, when we talk about the base we are talking about middle age and rolled or white folks, generally. and yes. i engage with these people, still, every day. they want 1950 america back. some of that is racial.
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they want a white, christian country back. and what makes me really sad, michael steele, is it all of my former republican colleagues in congress know this. but instead of letting black and brown people in and trying to persuade black and brown people to vote for freedom and free markets, way too many of my former colleagues just don't want to let them in because their base is radicalized. if >> you have taken a different approach to this effort, to create a new space for conversation with the renew america movement. how do you, when you look at january six, you listen to what joey just said about the radicalization inside the republican party, is there any hope for that institution as we currently know it? and, if not, where do republicans a like-minded soul
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who are pro democracy still, maybe they are conservative in some of their policymaking views, it's not era, where they go? >> to your first question, is there hope, i saw joe on the screen there shaking his head no. and i'm going to say that i have come around to joe's position. i spent several years in the hope that we were going to try to reform the republican party within. i was not ready to say, let's see one of only two major parties in the united states, to extremists. and was laser focused on trying to get the good guys protected in the republican party. we want you want to store for likely lanterns in the adam kinzinger's, to go offered to the extremists like madison cawthorn. despite the fact that madison cawthorn has lost his race, and people like liz cheney are still in the fight. i do not believe the good guys are winning. in the civil war for the soul of the republican party, the good guys are losing.
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because the reason you just said michael. that radicalize base of the republican party, joe mentioned it too. that is why i believe in the long term hopes to return it internally are going to be a failure. i left the republican party this week because i alternately concluded that for buffalo, these efforts to try to reform the gop are failing. and the republican party has kind of disabuse people of the notion that it is tied to racism. but let me be very clear. i get there is not just a dotted line to the leadership of the gop when it comes to violence supremacy. there is a direct line. when i was in the trump administration, donald trump and his core team refused to issue a domestic terrorism strategy, when we talked about by the way to promising. when the gi and the dhs warned us this would be a threat. because they did not think the school should be violent extremists. they thought they were very enthusiastic voters. and, then when trump will talk about the countries that he wanted to increase immigration from, he would talk about denmark, finland, iceland,
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norway, sweden. when you talk about the country want to decrease immigration from, he would talk with somalia. haiti. kenya. it was very clear that the head of the republican party, donald trump, wanted more white people from rich countries into the united states. if you are black and brown people. that is still the person who is the head of the republican party. directly exploited a racist viewpoint. but he did not to stop there. not that they didn't to do anything about the threat, and quietly voice support for racist theories. they very publicly promoted the notion, as you pointed to michael, of great replacement theory. that is what worries me. when madison cawthorn says get ready for dark moths, it maybe think back to a hitler quote. when he said, when you are in the lights, everything follows you. but when you entered into the dark not even your shot of lsu. it sounds much like with this pastor said. these people are getting ready to shed their conferences. to do very bad things. to promote this worldview. >> joe, that is really on scene of this. i get the question of the time,
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are you still a republican? i am a motel six republican. somebody's got to keep the lights on. i am the guy on the front porch. i know. right? >> we are waiting for, you michael. >> look, i tell you. i know it takes him off that i am still here. but that is fine. they keep breaking the light bob, but we are still trying to hold up. because the fundamental underpinnings, value of the family and country and government service and all of those things, still matters to a lot of republicans out there, you. two miles those points that the light seems to be going out, here, for a lot of those folks inside the party, you have folks like tara who are fighting through other organs like lincoln project. where do you see the republicans, who are themselves trying to find this new space? do they stay, do they go? we are looking elections coming up this fall. how do you assess the political fallout from all of this?
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>> hey michael, i'm in an unusual position. because i come from the maga cult, i still talk to these people every day. and i have been doing that for years. if you heard when i heard every single day, you would understand why i said a few years ago, this party is not stable. it is not reform-able. it is trump's party. and you know, it is the party of trumpism. there is this breathless dance every primary night, and it will happen again on tuesday night, where, oh did trump do good? did trump do bad? what is donald trump's endorsement mean? that is all a bunch of bull crap. here is what we know. every single republican who wins a primary this year is a that down in front of donald trump republican. whether that candidate is endorsed or not. trump is an idiot. his endorsements make no sense.
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do not pay attention to the endorsements. every republican, if you want to win, you have to warship donald trump. that is not changing anytime soon. >> so tara, on that point. the warship mentality that has infected the party, when you are looking at the leadership of the party, this is what trump is off for me, we know in the madison cawthorn family, if they want you gone you will get gone. but, yet they still continue to embrace the thing that is tearing down the party, pushing that republican conservatives out of the party. let alone moderate to liberal republicans out of the party. how do you see this party, if they win this fall, going into next year and something of 2024? what should americans be mindful of if they get power back to the party of insurrection? >> that is the kicker here. this is not your grandfather or
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your father's republican party, anymore. this is not the party that i joined as a 17-year-old high school kid in 1992, excited to work on george h. w. bush's reelection campaign. okay? this is a far cry from that. and people lurking themselves are trying to rationalize that the extremists are the fringe, because they look at glenn youngkin or ron desantis and try to say, no, they are not like donald trump. yes, they are. yes they are. you cannot put on a parka vest and say that you are not maga. you are. tomorrow's point, every single republican who wins a primary, they should be questioned and put on the spot. is this what you believe? because the american first agenda, this maga donald trump ilk, that is trumpism. that is the republican party. it is not about tax reform or
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smaller government or lower taxes or strong national defense. it is not. this is becoming neo-fascist populist party. which is dangerous to our way of life. our way of life in america. i do not know that democrats have been doing a good enough job of making that contrast, it's drawing that line. but they need to do. that do you want in america run by people like dunk mastery on no? who thinks that we should criminalize women who have abortions? do you want to party that supports creatures like you just showed, who thinks you are demon if you support democratic policies? do you want a party that the steve bannon's of the world are political geniuses who subscribes to leninism and is proud of it. is that what we want? we want an america that looks like 1950s again? i firmly believe that there are more good americans who are forward thinking in pro
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democracy and tolerant of pluralistic communities. that are pro democracy. pro freedom. pro what we the people actually means. there are more of us than them. but they have to be, mobilize energize, and get out there and vote. because they are under no circumstances can today's republican parties ever have power again. or else you are going to wake up to a country that you do not recognize. >> hey, michael steele? >> boss, real quick. >> all four of us are conservatives. none of us went to hungary this week. to worship authoritarianism. that is where today's republican conservatives are. >> well, you just put the plan on that button. let me tell you, my friend. joe walsh, miles taylor, thank you so much for coming. in i really do appreciate it. i may be coming off the port sooner than you may realize. >> it's not, over michael. >> we have some breaking news. finally some relief for
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tours of the capitol the day before, that means it's comp to plated that the insurrectionists were going to violate the capitol space through everything they did, with a possible exception of the violence. this is like, it's akin to giving a map of a cockpit to mohammed otto on september 9th. >> yet, another georgia congress person find himself in the hot seat. this week, the january 6th select committee asked congress minute to answer some questions about the so-called tours he led to the capital of the day
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before the insurrection. representative has appeared to deny giving such threats, but the committee's latest letter says, they have evidence that quote, directly contradicts those denials. joining me now is former acting solicitor general of the united states and current msnbc legal analyst, neil katyal. neil, thank you so much for being with us. so, this representative hasn't been subpoenaed like the other five republicans, sitting members of congress were last week, about the select committee. but so far, none have said they cooperated it all. so, what's the best way to get them to do that, at this point? >> it is to subpoena the sky, and to force him to cooperate. but look, i don't know that we will hear from him in a congressional investigation, because it looks like he is facing possible criminal exposure. i mean, michael, this guy's pants are totally on fire. he is looking at the fifth amendment, and as a lawyer, you do never want to client take the stand, if you can't trust
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them. and, this guy has zero credibility. i mean, he is lying about the ledge action, that was bad. enough, but to lie about whether you gift or not? this is the same guy, who a year ago, filed an ethics complaint against democrats for saying that he was giving into our. he said, you know, that that was false. now, it turns out that wasn't that false. and, you know, the sole strategy might have been a smart deflection strategy, if you are, like, i don't know, to fight attention from who took the last cookie in the jar at your house, michael, or something like that. but, it's on tape. it's on video. >> and, that's an interesting point. because, the select committee also revealed it's in possession of white house official photos, right? chronicling what president trump did on january 6th. so, how significant those photos be, in terms of evidence? >> well, we don't know with the photos are, but they will be obviously helpful and filling and missing gaps. so, we know there isn't 181
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minute gap while the congress was under attack, in which we have no idea whatsoever what donald trump was doing, even though he was president at the time, even though these are some of the most hundred 81 most important minutes the government has ever faced in our lifetime. and, we also know that there is, like, a seven hour gap in the phone records because trump said, you know, trump, evidently suggesting he did make any phone calls during that time on january 6th. i mean, give me a break. i mean, trump is more addicted to his phone than a teenager. so, there obviously are burners, or other phones, or something like that. michael, you asked about these photos. you know, it's characteristic of trump. he tried to cover-up, but he blows. it because, he also wants his photo op, so on. so, the congressional committee now has access to those photos. that could help fill in some of the gaps, probably some of them are him talking on the phone. >> so, it's fascinating this, week as we watch the walls around donald trump get a little bit closer to them as his personal attorney rudy
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giuliani testified for nine hours to a select committee on friday. so, what does that signal, to you, in terms of the status of the investigation, that they are now talking to somebody like rudy giuliani? >> well, it's hard to know at nine hours means here. because, michael, we are talking about rudy, after all. >> that's true, good point. >> it might be like dog years, i don't know. nine hours of rudy talking might be nine minutes of you and me time, i don't know. but, he's so evasive that when he finally gets around, 45 minutes might have elapsed. i don't know. it's obviously around on time. rudy has been a trying to stumble cooperation. i mean, he was subpoenaed back in january to come and testify. he was supposed to then come in two weeks ago, and he canceled at the last minute. but now, he has finally come in. my hope is, we've got the old, old rudy giuliani, the kind of law enforcement, you know, true law and order rudy giuliani, who will go and tell the truth,
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as opposed to ocean over the last years. >> so, we've got a little bit of time left. i want to jump real quick because it sort of dovetails on rudy giuliani. you've got reports this week that former attorney bill barr is in discussions to cooperate with the january 6th committee. no decision has been made so far, as to whether he will appear in public. but, what do you make of that? where do you see that potential opportunity heading? >> well again, it's good that he, like giuliani, might be coming in to testify. most of the trump administration people like scurry when they hear that they have to testify under earth. but remember, barr is incredibly cagey, michael. i mean, his characterization of the motor report was so, you know, so wrong, that if a law student of mine did that, i would fail. him judge reggie walton, a very respected federal judge in d.c. said that bill barr, quote, lacks candor. and, you know, his powers of recall when he wants them to be mushy look like marjorie taylor greene. so, i'm not, you know,
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optimistic that we will get a lot out of it, but i'm glad to see that he is cooperating, and hopefully he will come and tell the truth. because, you know, what happened on january 6th was a travesty to all americans, and we need to find out what all of the facts were on that day. >> neal katyal, thank you so, much my friend. it's always so good to have you on. coming up, it's up, it's down, it's a bear market, or is it? what's this week's markets chaos is telling us about the health of our economy. so, stay right with us. with us welcome to your world. your why. what drives you? what do you want to leave behind? that's your why. it's your purpose, and we will work with you every step of the way to achieve it.
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territory. that's, combined with consumers and investors are staring down persistent inflation, threats to drag america's economy back into the dreaded slouched drag stagflation territory of the 1970s. joining me now to make sense of the numbers is cnbc reporter and anchor, pat my gamble. hadley. welcome. let's start with the basics. what exactly is going on with these markets, and where do you think things are going to land going into next week? >> >> well michael, it's great to be joining you from the world economic forum in davos. i've got to tell, you these words have been thrown around like confetti for months now. we saw back on friday, it was essentially markets and investors finally reacting to those negative headlines. you've got to think about this in terms of the numbers, as you. inflation, at this point, is running at its higher rate, 40% higher than it has been in the past. you have to understand, when you think about these numbers,
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there's a real concern among investors. this is a market, and frankly, a valuation situation that is getting way ahead of what's actually happening in the real economy. there are also fears, of course, about energy prices, something that you and i have discussed many times over the years. right, now we are seeing a situation in which oil prices consistently over $100 a barrel really hitting people at home, at the pump. with prices at the gas pump, essentially over $4 a barrel, in some places, over $5 a barrel. that's hitting peoples bottom lines. there's a lot of concerns about what's going to happen next. you're seeing that reflected, quite frankly, in the markets. you are seeing tech stocks dropping as much as it seems in the tech crisis several years ago, plus the fact that when you look at what's happened in the crypto space, bitcoin and either off 50% since their peak last year. and, you have now the european central back saying that cryptocurrencies are overvalued. she says, we really need to get a handle on these things, and we need to understand how to regulate them, so that people don't load their life savings. that's really a shot across the bow to many folks here at the
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world economic forum. you've been, but with a lot couple of years here, we've seen such a boost in the mood, frankly, toward cryptocurrencies, and what those can be to the broader economy. so, people are finally taking a step back here. you see that reflected in the numbers on friday. you saw that as the stock market briefly dipped into that bear market territory, and there are a lot of concerns, frankly, here on the ground about what that could potentially mean for the economy, the global economy going forward. plus, all of this, of course, against the backdrop of what we are seeing happening in ukraine, and how that could have a knockdown effect on talk about repressors, inflation, this tuition with gas and oil prices as well. >> so, you started a conversation using the s-word, the dreaded s-word, stagflation. what is that? what are you hearing about it? and, what should ordinary investors and consumers be concerned about? >> essentially, that means that you have a consistently high inflation, which is what we are
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seeing, in spite of the fact that so many economists, for months, it told us that this was something that was going to be temporary. so, it got consistently high inflation. you've got high unemployment. and essentially, you've got a situation in which this is ongoing. now, recession itself, which is something that we are now talking about as well, in europe in the united states essentially is essentially defined by economists when you have a chronic economic growth going backwards for two quarters. we haven't seen that yet. yet, we are still seeing that will pop up again and ahead jen and i had lied to conversations. so, stagflation, recession, as well as the overwhelming factors of high energy cost that see no signs of backing down. you member, of course, this is all against the backdrop of whether or not that europeans will come to any kind of decision on russian oil. not to mention, russian gas. then, you have the bigger question about whether or not the white house is going to make any headway when it comes to convincing opec+, which is saudi arabia, the uae, other missions, as well as russia to increase their supplies of oil on the market. they haven't had any luck without so far. we've heard rumors, of course, that president biden could
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potentially meet with saudi arabia to sort of are not some kind of agreement there. but, until you see a drop in those energy prices, until you see a lack of this inflationary environment, stagflation is certainly going to be potentially on the horizon, and then we're talking about recession. so, we're talking about a mega amount of negative headlines. we've seen that reflected in the market. we said, well we saw back in the 1970s with the oil crisis, the oil embargo, i just take you back to the history and that ron. the only reason that the saudi came at that time decided to loosen up that embargo was not because he agreed with u.s. foreign policy. and, we are seeing this, by the way, reflected right now with the saudis, uae, the rest of them don't agree with america's foreign policy right now. the only reason we decided to back off with that oil embargo was essentially because he was dreading communism. the galas communist. so, we have a very different situation at this point, michael. >> so, you are sitting there in its office. you tell those folks, don't mess this up. we've got to get it right. thank you so much, really appreciate you coming on. coming up, it's that time of
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november. but on tuesday, all eyes will be on a georgia, as president trump backed candidate hope to win the primaries for critical races that will determine, not only control of the house and senate, but the integrity of future elections. joining, now jackie, msnbc contributor, and congressional reporter for the washington post, shermichael singleton, political consultant, and host of shakespeare and peacock, and it joan walsh, national affairs correspondent for the nation. welcome to you all. well, it kind of sounding off sunday. so, we are just going to get right into it. first off, i just want to correct the record. president trump told those georgia republicans not to vote by mail. they didn't. so, you all lost, so he is not a proponent for voting. >> i digress. >> so, let's start with bill cassidy, with that political reporter on a thursday. this is what mr. cassidy had to
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say. >> louisiana, about a third of our population is african american. african americans have a higher return -- so, if you correct your not population for race, we are not as much of an outlier as we would appear. i say that, not to raise the issue, but to focus the issue toward should be. for whatever reason, people of color have a higher incidence of mortality. now, there are different definitions of this. >> so, jackie how, as a reporter who's covering the news, and trying to give context two important stories, how do you find, when you hear someone saying something like that, how do you cover that, and how do americans, sort of, parse through that to understand what exactly is being said, and what's not being said? >> yeah, michael, well look, senator bill cassidy is one of
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four physicians in the senate, so i can't claim to know more than him. but, i do think he is excluding and missing a lot of the context that i think is important for this conversation, which is that at the end of the wet day, in louisiana, for black mothers die for every white mother compared to a 3 to 1 ratio nationally. he also completely skims over those reasons for why those maternal mortality rates are higher. he said, i think the quote was, for whatever reason. but as a physician, i think he didn't know actually the specific reasons, which are racial bias in health care, higher rates of certain medical conditions amongst american black women, these social construct, as a result of systemic racism that have led to this situation, that has been exacerbated in louisiana. and, a difficulty for women in rural areas to easily get medical care. so, i think these are really important parts of the conversation that senator
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cassidy conveniently skimmed over when addressing this conversation. >> so joan, there is a reporting challenge, when you are trying to get the facts in front of people. how do you read something like this, coming out of the cassidy's mouth and the political context, in terms of what it says about where the country is, and how voters look at these types of issues? >> oh wow, michael. he really tee that up for me. first of all, thank you, jackie. you handled that really with a lot of grace, but also with all the truth. you know, whatever he thinks he is saying, we all know what he is saying, which is, we don't understand, but we don't care that much about why black women tie at higher rates from maternal mortality. like, we don't want it, oh god, we don't want it, but this was
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so painful to watch, and i appreciated jacqui walking us through it. and i, you know, i don't know, michael, i don't know how we share it with our friends and colleagues who might be on the fence politically. because, it is so sad and awful. but, it is just an attempt to walk away from the fact, like i don't know why black women might die more from this, but. >> right, right. >> why do we? kara >> yeah, and that's the stunning part of it. i want to listen to this particular one, sure michael, it from rick scott, who gets a little tongue tied, on cbs when
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he is asked whether he would advise the gop to condemn white nationalism. >> you would tell senate republicans running for election that they need to, each and every one of them, condemn white nationalism? >> well, i tell people when i believe, and, you know, every senate count di on both sides is going to decide what's important to them. >> but, you will advise them? >> i'm clear. if they ask me, i would say, i would be clear, be clear. i mean, we do not believe, none of us, i don't think any american should believe in white supremacy, or hatred of any kind. i mean, it's wrong. >> so shermichael, why can't you just come out and say no? you can't, you can't do this. what's the deal here? >> i mean look, it's a pretty clear cut answer, right? a reminder of bob dole, who was accepting that gop nomination.
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he said, there is a backdoor, you can leave. i mean, i think and louis racism and prejudice, it's part of the significant problems that we are having in the country. so, to have a senator, a very known senator of a very major political party not be able to be clear on it distinct on why racism is growing, and why it should be an absolute know, as it pertains to members of a political party to have space and said party, and influence of said party, it really is indicative of some of the problems that the republican party has had. my, gosh and the past 45, 50 years now. so, i think the reason why he wasn't very clear is because of the reality that we all know, and that is that there are quite a few americans who may hold some racist bias and prejudice, certain people, color in our country, who just so happened to vote republican, right? i think we can be honest about that. i mean, i really think it's an unfortunate reality, chairman, that people are dancing around
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america's own descent of racism, and not being able to be very honest and forthright about hey, we don't want to tolerate this. we have to continue to fight this, regardless of the political differences. he didn't do that because of the reasons that i've said, and i don't think that you can accept any republican, to be quite honest with you, maybe with the exception of mitt romney, for example, who had come outright and say, this is wrong. we don't want it in the republican party. s is wrso, if you've been wondering why jonathan is out this morning, it's because he's off at becoming a doctor. yes, a doctor. he received an honorary doctorate of humane letters today at lamoine college in syracuse. congratulations to the class of 2022, and two doctor. but, stay with us. because, my panel will be back to continue this conversation after a very quick break. ry quick break
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>> for typical americans who are driving up to the gas pump or at the grocery store, these prices create real hardship, and they also create uncertainty. we understand that. and, that's precisely why the president has made very clear that combatting inflation is his topic, and a top economic priority, and what people should know is we can do this. we know how to do this. first, we need to give the federal reserve the independence to do it at us. it has the tools to combat inflation. second, we need to reduce cost and make things more affordable for families during this period. >> so jacqui, from your reporting, are americans going to be that patient? are they willing to give the president the kind of runway there that these is alluding to? you >> yeah, that's not what things seem, the directions things seem to be training in right now. i mean, consumer prices just in april alone or 8.3% higher than they were a year ago, and it's at nearly a 40% high.
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unfortunately, for the biden administration, there are really few easy fixes for inflation. obviously, brian deese says this is a priority for the administration, and i want to leave it to the fed. but actually, the inflationary drivers that we've seen most recently have defied the federal reserve forecast that have said that there is going to be an imminent improvement. there are a few things that biden could consider going forward, like he has previously said last month, that he was eyeing changes to a 25% tariff that would apply to a substantial amount of imports from china. but even in that situation, economists a that that is unlikely to at least immediately try to drive down some of the inflationary drivers that we are seeing, and a lot of economists still point to the administration's free spending response to the pandemic, which has caused some supply chain issues, product shortages, and the problems
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that we are seeing now, which, you know, can't really necessarily undo at this point, and is responsible, at least according to again, many economists for the soaring prices that we are seeing right now. >> so joan, you've got the president who is over in asia on his big trip. you have senator tom cotton on fox discussing that tour. take a listen. >> it's important for the president to visit our allies and the western pacific, but he's gone about 16 months too late because china is the number one threat we face. i wish president biden had gone there early in his tenure, and not spend so much time in europe, not made his very first glimpse at the international summit with vladimir putin last summer, for that matter. it's always important to talk to our allies and visit with him, but with jinping and china's communist want our actions. and unfortunately, joe biden's actions right now just are not backing up any orders. >> joan, how does that play, in the second guessing, obviously, the political part of that, but how does that play, do you
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think, for the american people? >> i don't think it plays at all, honestly, michael. i don't think the american people really care about what tom cotton is saying. he is a small person. he is a tiny person. he is not standing up to the american people when he can. he is just standing up to bash joe biden. so, you know, i'm not saying biden has done everything right. he certainly hasn't. but, like, that is such a, you know, it's just such a sad thing for a little senator to do, to call out the president in such a ridiculous way, and not explain whatever might mean. i mean, you know, inflation is really complicated. it's got a lot of facets. china is not -- its one. i'm not think it's not one, but it's not as a major one, and for that little man to do that,
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it's just really, it's very pathetic. >> so shermichael, it's a little bit of time we have left, i want to draw your attention into a washington post ipsos poll, that says 75% of black americans are worried that they or somebody they level be attacked because of the race. how real is that, in your view? >> i mean, i think it's very real for a lot of black people. we saw what just happened in buffalo new york, chairman. it's something that i've always worried, why haven't we addressed the racism and domestic terrorism that's pertain to white supremacy with the same level of attention and focus that we have a focus for the past 25, 30 years now on radical islamic, some domestically and abroad. i would like to see both political parties, if at all possible, to focus on this. i would like to see the fbi director is asked for more resources, to be able to have more agents, to look at online behaviors, and look at some of these chats out, look at some of these websites to see what
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these individuals are saying. i think, we really, sort of, a needle were against white supremacy the way we have a war on terrorism. i think that is a beginning point to be able to target some of these things, and i think the anxiety is real for many black people. look at police brutality. again, looking at buffalo, to wonder, can this happen to me where i am, considering the racial animism in the country right now. i think those concerns are real, and we need to address them. >> all right, well thank you all. thank you, jackie, shermichael singleton, and joan walsh for being a part of the panel. we will be right back. l be right back. favorite footlong, set a pickup time, and jump the line! oh, here she goes! ugh, i thought she was actually gonna jump. just use this code and order on the subway app! hey businesses! you all deserve something epic! so we're giving every business, our best deals on every iphone - including the iphone 13 pro with 5g. that's the one with the amazing camera? yep! every business deserves it... like one's that re-opened!
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the sunday show. jonathan kaye part will be back next sunday at 10 am eastern but stay tuned because my good friend alex witt has the latest. hey alex, what's up. >> i'm so glad to see you, my friend. listen, dr. jonathan capehart -- dunn's great show. pretty awesome, can i just say washing the tennessee pastor that you have at the top of the hour. anger, hatred, lies, all that he was feeling. i thought, you know, that's not why i go to church. to walk away with that. what was up with that? >> we're not passing the plate for the past, or i'm sorry. >> no, that was shocking, everyone in my whole area were like what is that. anyway, and i love your reaction. with the hell? it was appropriate, what can i say. okay, my friend, have a good one.


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