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thank you at home for watching the sunday show. jonathan kaye part will be back next sunday at 10 am eastern but stay tuned because my good friend alex witt has the latest. hey alex, what's up. >> i'm so glad to see you, my friend. listen, dr. jonathan capehart -- dunn's great show. pretty awesome, can i just say washing the tennessee pastor that you have at the top of the hour. anger, hatred, lies, all that he was feeling. i thought, you know, that's not why i go to church. to walk away with that. what was up with that? >> we're not passing the plate for the past, or i'm sorry. >> no, that was shocking, everyone in my whole area were like what is that. anyway, and i love your reaction. with the hell? it was appropriate, what can i say. okay, my friend, have a good one.
>> america day to all of you at msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. we begin with breaking news that's today, millions of parents are now one step closer to the relief they've been so desperately seeking. just in the last hour, at the plane carrying more than 70,000 pounds of baby formula from europe touching down, you see it there in indiana. this is the first of several deliveries with more snow to arrive in the states in the next coming days. it is part of the biden administration's initiative to increase the supply of formula amid the national shortage. agriculture secretary tom vilsack speaking just moments ago about their efforts and that indianapolis airport. >> i'm told that the shipment provides enough formula to take care of 9000 babies and 19,000 toddlers. for a week. now that's about half 1,000,008
doses a formula on that plane. about 78,000 pounds. >> joining us now, nbc's megan fitzgerald in indianapolis. that's for that first baby formula shipment has arrived. and nbc's stephanie stand insane by in st. petersburg, florida. looking at the overall impact of the formula shortage. ladies, welcome to you both. megan, to you first hear. so the formula has arrived, what is the scene like there and that big picture, how long until this formula is actually available to parents? >> yeah, alex, that's the question that everybody wants to know. how soon can parents receive this critical formula? and the short answer to that question is possibly in a couple of days. but i want to sort of explain to you what that actually means. so the shipment behind me that are going to be seeing coming off of this aircraft here we're talking about more than 70,000 pounds of this hypoallergenic formula. so this is for those babies very critical for them who can't process cows milk.
this is important formula for them. and so the process is that it's going to leave this plane behind me here. it's going to be taken to the nestle facility, which is about a mile away. from there, this is fda-approved formula, keep in mind here, but from that point, nestle says they are going to be awaiting their own standard review task that will be coming in. on some of the shipment, those test results should be here in the next couple of days. at that point, that's when that portion will then be delivered throughout the country to hospitals and to health care providers. because of course, this is prescription only formula. as far as the rest of the formula that would have arrived on the shipment here, that could be disseminated over the next couple of weeks when they get those results back. as you just played earlier, just a few minutes ago, from the secretary of agriculture. speaking a little bit about this process. i want to play for you a little more of what he said and i'll follow up with you on the back end. take a listen. >> reason why we are doing this is obviously the critical need
that is out there. it would take approximately two weeks for the normal commercial process to work. to get it from zürich switzerland here and distributed. as a result of the nine states militaries involvement, we're gonna get this here in a matter of days. in a matter of days means a lot of the moms and dads who are worried. >> all right, exactly. so the secretary saying that the government is doing all they can to try and expedite this process. trying to get the shipments here as soon as possible. we do know that in the coming days, more aircrafts are expected to land here, you mentioned arriving in dallas as well. now that shipment is expected to be gerber formula. of course, that's the one that will go onto the shelves for the rest of the population. babies that are able to receive that type of formula. but the short answer is, this is not going to be immediately. this is something that's going to be progressively over the
next couple of weeks. we press the secretary asking is this the crisis that parents will have to deal with throughout the summer? and he said, we hope not. alex. >> so i'm really glad you made that distinction, megan. about this hypoallergenic formula that has arrived forces that of like gerber which is still yet to come very important clarification there. thank, you megan, for that. let's go to florida, that's where nbc's stephanie stanton is following how the formula shortage is hurting families. i know we have all heard and envisioned just stressed out parents holding babies that are crying. but look, we have the white house urging patients, how are parents handling the weight? >> yeah, could afternoon to you, alex, as you might imagine parents are very concerned. and they are very distraught, i'm told, by doctors here at johns hopkins all children hospital in st. petersburg. because there are still a lot of unknowns. but at this point, we saw that
for a special formula touched down around 10:45 eastern time in indianapolis. and it is still unclear at this point, alex, if any of that particular formula will be making its way here to the state of florida. and the doctors here at all children's hospital, they also tell me that the good news is that they haven't seen any children admitted for malnourishment. but they say that they are preparing for that possibility because as we know no, this shortage is expected to last for the next several weeks. >> i was in desperate mode because i honestly did not know what to do. and we had to order some online but then it was like, out of stock, everywhere without a stop. or they said you could only order one. or two. and this is a big boy, so we need to make sure that we have enough to feed him. >> i just tell my family's not to freak out, just be calm and get the supply you need but
don't over by and leave when you, take what you need and leave which you don't for another family. definitely no diluting formula and no making your own formula at home, that's just not safe for your baby. >> now fortunately, florida is not one of the states that has been hardest hit by the shortage. we know that those states include tennessee, nevada, florida, excuse me, texas and kansas. but i spoke to the doctors here and they offered that advice, as you just heard, they do not want parents diluting the formula. they say that that is not a good thing to do. they say that anyone who is concerned, they should reach out to their doctors because the officials here at the hospital are helping parents to secure some supplies. they're sending parents to possibly some smaller stories that may have a greater supply formula. but at this point, i also want to let you know that here in the state of florida, state surgeon general doctor joseph ladapo sent the fda
commissioner a stern letter about ten days ago requesting transparency with the supply chain. and asking where the government expects to see formula return to more normal levels. and also in a tweet, ladapo criticize the fda thing families deserve answers, not platitudes. so we're gonna keep an eye on everything and of course as we know, the shortest and ending anytime soon, alex. >> i think there are a lot of questions that need to be answered, thank you so much. as we are going to keep following this baby formula shortage. with stephanie and megan, thanks ladies, so much. i'll also be speaking with congresswoman kim schweiger, kim is a pediatrician. we'll talk about how long it is going to take to get formula to the struggling families. let's go now to more breaking news overseas. president biden is now in japan, kicking off the second leg of his trip to asia. before departing soul, the president and the leader of south korea emphasize the importance of their partnership on the world stage. >> fact is that, eight uttering threats and underrating instability is as vital today,
not only peninsula but for the world. for the world. that's with the president and i spent the last couple of days talking about. it's not just peninsula, it's the world. >> let's go to nbc's mike memoli who's in seoul, south korea. some, like let's talk about the presidents agenda now that he is in tokyo. what's going to be doing? >> well, alex, i've also join the president here in tokyo where he set to hold an announcement today about announcing what they call the indo-pacific economic framework. this is as the president continues to really operate on this trip. really into different tracks. you saw the president there in his final stop in south korea at asana air force base. with south koreans president yun as he talked about the cooperation between these two countries and deterring against north korea's threat from the north. but we also saw the president again focusing on the economy. not just the announcement we expect earlier today about this economic and alliance. really with an eye towards countering china but also
working together with some of our democratic allies in this region. to deal with supply chain challenges. he also had an announcement with the ceo of hyundai. a major automaker, of course. they will be expanding their operations of the u.s., building a new five billion dollar plant in savannah, georgia. that will employ some 8000 americans, making electric vehicles. now there are of course also other challenges on the horizon that the president is addressing here. just before he left for tokyo, he was asked about this threat potentially of monkeypox. the person making clear that he has been briefed. here's more of what he had to say. >> -- having to meet the level of exposure yet but it's something that we're going to be concerned about. working on a hard, figueroa we do and wet the -- may be available for. it is a concern in the sense that -- >> of course, president has a lot to show no matter where he is. including on foreign soil. the president also really
sending a message to north korea in an interesting moment yesterday. he was asked about what's been looming over this entire trip, the possibility that kim jong-un, that north korea could launch either ballistic missile or even nuclear test while the president is in the region. the president saying really he doesn't want to predict what north korea might do but that they're prepared no matter what they do. he was also asked if he had a message for the north korean dictator and he simply said, hello. and with a pause, period. alex. >> that was kind of interesting. i'm glad you made the point. and by the, way you are the president shadow, how could i not know that you are in tokyo already? i'm sorry. anyway, correct going forward, thank you mike. meanwhile, new this hour is the 88th day of war in ukraine. a vote in parliament to extend martial law by another 90 days in another dire assessment. that there is no end in sight. >> i've said from the beginning, i think this is going to be a long slog. with putin. he's clearly focused out east
now after what has been a disaster in other parts of the country. presents lewinsky's been pretty clear, he wants that territory as well. so i think we're in for a long one. it's going to be bloody, it's going to be visible. it's going to be what war is. >> russian military officials say they plan to ukraine's donbas and mykolaiv regions overnight. and then a clear sign that mariupol has fallen. russia releasing this video of the surrender of the commander of the 36 special marine for grade of ukraine's naval forces. let's go now to nbc's matt bradley who's joining me from lviv. matt, so russia has declared victory in mariupol. and other parts of the country remain under siege so where is russia's focus now? >> yeah, i have to tell you, alex, we're here in lviv or things are a world away. we're still in a country that's very much and war. you mentioned that scene in mariupol. but here in lviv, on the western part of the country, i have to tell you we're about to be drowned out by a five-piece fan that's playing right behind
me. this city is still very far from the front lines. but you mention mariupol. this city has now fallen fully into russian hands and that is what will allow the russians to reconstitute and refocus their forces elsewhere in the donbas region. now that means they're going to be continuing the fight around the city of -- and so bryansk. which are now the main focus of -- mariupol has been kind of a victory for the russians. we heard from a ukrainian member of parliament who described what that means to both ukraine and the russians. >> people are absolutely delighted and proud of our army where defending our last stronghold in azovstal in mariupol. it's absolutely clear, we are not going to give up our land. speaking about that putin has no way out, that's not true.
we are not going to take moscow. we don't intend to execute putin on red square. for ukraine, the most important is to deliberate our land and that's all. >> the spiral we just heard from alexei -- that member of parliament. he was saying that they are going to be retaking the line where we did hear yesterday, last night, from president volodymyr zelenskyy. he said that this would probably have to go to negotiations. and that's because we're going to start to see something of a military impasse in the donbas region. as we start to see more and more military high tech equipment from the west going to the eastern part of the country and focusing on that fight. and like i said, more russian forces moving out of mariupol, the city that they cannot claim as their own. and focusing there. this is going to be a long grinding, drawn out fight. and president zelenskyy himself has acknowledged this is probably going to have to be resolved at the negotiating table. now with that means, it's hard to say.
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not understand this. they do not understand how our fundamental right, likely right women to control their own bodies, depends on your address. >> the last word with lawrence o'donnell, weeknights at ten on msnbc. >> now to decision 2020, two big developments. just two days from georgia's primary, polls show two gop front-runners for governor of the senate, current governor brian kemp, and former football star herschel walker. i both backed by more than 50% of republican voters. georgia is among four states holding primary elections on tuesday. meanwhile, on the democratic side, stacey abrams is running for the nomination of governor, on the post.
and colonel senator raphael warnock is way ahead in his bid for the nomination for senate. joining me now from atlanta, nbc's alison barber joining us. alison, let's talk about these races, what voters are telling you. i also know they went to a big democratic fund-raiser headlined by stacey abrams. how is this primary setting up for both sides? >> you know, it is interesting. right now, most of the action in terms of the primary has really been on the republican side. stacey abrams, she does not have a democratic challenger. senator raphael warnock technically does, but it really has not been even close to a competition throughout this really entire time, since both of those candidates sort of announced their candidacy. when you look at the republican, side obviously the most interesting primary challenge was former senator david perdue, challenging incumbent governor brian kemp. and the trump endorsement. it is interesting, because as i have spoken to voters and deeply red districts, part of our series for county to county,
when i was talking to voters into tua county, georgia, which is a deeply red republican stronghold, a few months ago in the fall. most voters i spoke to there told me that they planned to support herschel walker in the senate primary, but we're not sure about governor kemp. they were disappointed with him. they bought into some of the things they present that criticize him for, as it related to the election. when we were back there last week, more often than not, the republican primary voters i heard saying they plan to vote for herschel walker and brian kemp in the primaries. when you look at the goals, brian kemp has really pulled far ahead, far away from senator purdue. and herschel walker, in the senate republican primary, it is not even close. he is 58 close, or above his closest contender. it really is likely going to both of these candidates race to lose, if you will. barring some board some sort of a big surprise, it looks like those are going to be the republican nominees. and democrats clearly seem to be paying attention to that.
we were the fundraising gala just last night in when x county, and the speeches that we heard there, they were general election speeches. they seemed very much focused on moving towards november, stacey abrams specifically mentioned governor brian kemp, criticizing him, criticizing his policies multiple times last night. she did not mention purdue or the other candidates even once. listen to what we heard. >> i have rocked my brains for the last four years to understand why, given such extraordinary power, brian kemp has failed so miserably on so many counts. i wondered, was it matt? but i think he can count. if you draw down 3.5 billion dollars and create 500,000 folks who have access to health care, and 64,000 jobs, that is a pretty good equation. >> when we get into the general
election, this is where things are going to get a very interesting. particularly, when i'm watching closely school is going to happen in the senate race where most likely, barring any sort of extraordinary developments, we will see herschel walker on the republican side going against incumbent raphael warnock. when you look at the average poll so far, pairing those two and head to head matchup, the politics average has been within the margin of error. that is going to be a close race. both men are wet relatively well liked in the state as individuals, and they have a very high name recognition. so heading into that, that is going to be something that is really important on the national level. it is a very well could determine who ends up in the united states senate. >> yes. 100%. that will be a big race to watch. thank you so much for that, ellison. going back to breaking news now. relief coming for many families scrambling to feed their families. u.s. military deliver the first shipment of baby formula from germany to indianapolis. part of an effort called
operation formula fly. authorized by the president. when he invoked the defense production act to help u.s. produces get the materials that they need. joining, outcome schrier, a democratic member of the house energy and commerce and agricultural committee. it is also notable that she is a pediatrician. as i welcome you, my friend, under the you are one of the lawmakers that push for the president to vote for the defense production act. so, now that it is seen in action, how long until struggling families actually find relief? >> well, thank you alex. it is great to see. you it is a wonderful first step. i wish it to that in the week or two weeks, many weeks earlier. because this shortage could have been foreseen. but once we can expect now is that it may take six weeks or longer for store shelves to be filled. and i have to tell you that i kind of feel like the most important question right now for parent, who are
understandably so worried about feeding their infants, is what can they do right now? in this interceding six weeks or so. and i'm happy to talk about that. >> you are pediatrician. what can they do? i firmly think saying, don't dilute the formula. if you are trying to make it last, i'm sure a lot of parents are thinking, that's what they have to do. >> well, that would be the instinct, right? and i think the first important thing to do is, a lot of people in this country just think, an infant's an infant. but there is a world of difference between a newborn and a six month old and an 11 month old. and they are all considered infants. so, for those easier to six months old, they just need formula. they need breast milk and formula and virtually every baby, even breastfed babies, are also reliant some degree on formula. so let's make sure that we never stop we have is used for the littlest ones.
once babies are above six months old, they can get a lot of their nutrition from food. you can terry just about anything in a blender, and if you can get a balanced diet with some very and some meat and some vegetable all blended up, you can get good nutrition to your child. the american academy of pediatrics has even said the for six months and up, on a temporary basis, go ahead and use whole mouth, cows milk. and just make sure that there is iron and other nutrients from food. that's a real formulas for the littlest babies. >> no blood parents are taking notes for this. let me ask about the oversight hearing next week where you are going to ask some questions about how we got to this point. give me the top when it comes to mind. and if guardrails can be put in place to make sure that this does not happen again. >> the question online is these as same as everybody else. what's the heck happens? this recall happened back in february. and nothing was done. even though, what is made in
this one factory, in sturgis, represents 40% what's this intellect abbott product makes. mo so that is the specialty formula that those littlest most fragile babies, who cannot digest normal formula, needs. you could've predicted in february this would become an emergency. and we did not see anything happen in terms of stepping up and enacting the defense production act, and getting folks to ramp up. >> can i just ask quickly, is the fda that is really going to have the biggest spotlight shined upon it? or beyond that? >> you know, alex, i think there's blame to go around here. the fda, why did they not take their steps? why weren't there faster infections? what did they do. on the formula company, what was going on with standards there. there was potential
contamination, and how do we regain trust, and why didn't they step up manufacturing in their other facilities. and then, even for the administration, when we saw this coming, why didn't we enact the defense production act sooner? so, lots of questions for everybody. >> okay. we know you're going to get the answers for. us let's talk about the president, who today was asked about the monkeypox outbreak. the world health organization has now confirmed 92 cases in 12 countries, and that includes the u.s.. listen to what the president said. >> they have not told me the level of exposure yet. but that is further than he should be concerned about. we are working hard to figure what we can do. and wait vaccines may be available. but it is a concern in the sense that they weren't spreading as much. >> how does monkeypox spread? how dangerous is it? how concerned are you about it? >> yes, right.
the last thing this country needs now is another infectious disease to worry about. so, we are still learning about this particular variant. because it seems to be behaving a little bit differently. but historically, it spreads by physical contact with the parks themselves. but can also be spread by respiratory droplets. and i think, i am watching with interest, and i know that all the public health agencies, the cdc in the world health organization, are all looking at this virus, seeing what may be different. how it is spread. and monitoring closely. i will say, one really important difference here, even if it turned out that this was even close to his highly contagious, and we know it is not there, is that we already have a vaccine. the smallpox vaccine, which my husband got. i never got it because it was the year that they stopped
doing them. but the smallpox vaccine still exists. we know what to do. it is 85% protective. and we will not be caught in this same situation that we were, for example, with coronavirus. >> okay. speaking of that, as we have done many times together, let's talk about the pandemic. cdc officials have now approved a pfizer booster shot, for kids ages 5 to 11. they get five months after they have their second dose. covid cases are on the rise here in the u.s.. the cdc says listen 30% of kids, though, are fully vaccinated against covid here in the u.s.. are you surprised by that number? and when you think it will take for more parents to get their kids vaccinated? and lastly, parents who have gotten their kids vaccinated, are they going to follow up automatically with boosters? >> let me just say, as a mom and pediatrician, this is great news. that we want our kids to be as protected as possible. and i want to make clear that
even though people are starting to feel a little bit lackadaisical about this virus, but it is no small thing to have your child get this, and have to miss at least five days of school. and this can go through a family, as well. it is a huge inconvenience. some kids get very sick from it. the idea is, if we want to keep our children in a classroom safely, not spreading this to others, and not having to quarantine, getting vaccinated is the way to do it. and, so i applaud this decision. go get your boosters. and if you haven't been vaccinated, if your child is not vaccinated yet, get that vaccine. or if you are nervous about, it go talk with your pediatrician. trust your pretreatment forever. >> okay. doctor and lawmaker came in schrier, fontenoy job out the law, politics, and pediatric medicine. thank you so much. title 42 or not? the realities at the border, how asylum seekers will not take no for an answer and risk
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americans do not want to end the expulsion of migrants under title 42. the politico harvard survey shows 55% oppose and-ing the public health rule while 40% are in favor. also new today, white house press secretary -- sean pierce of the administration is appealing friday's ruling by a federal judge. the administration plan to end title expulsions on monday. but louisiana judge issued a stay preventing them from lifting that rule. let's bring in victoria defrancesco soto, msnbc contributor and dean of the clinton school of public service at the university of arkansas. you've taken off for places north from texas where you've been for a long time. welcome, it's good to see you, my friend. let's get to the interpretation you have of the numbers in this poll. it was taken in early may. what are your thoughts? >> we see generalize frustration with our immigration architecture. that's what it is. i don't think it's so much the details of title 42. we know that the public health
hazard that we had seen a year ago or just a couple of months ago isn't the same. we can better maneuver with mask vaccines. it's about what do we do with folks who want to enter the united states, either a, as asylum seekers or b, in terms of immigrants or seasonal worker immigrants. and this just points to the fact that we went from a badly broken immigration system to a terribly function emerson with an insight. i think a reflection of that. in the absence of anything else, let's hang off this tiny little band-aid of title 42. >> okay, let's take a listen to reaction from migrants someone who recently arrived for the border. they're just hoping to seek asylum. >> i'm nervous, this father says. i can't believe i put my family
in danger. as this mother from columbia who left her two kids at home fights tiers. pleading with president biden, give us an opportunity. we want a better future for our family, she says. >> so, your thoughts about this. i mean, what's going to be the impact of the church's decision. when americans see the hardship the determination, the heart of some of these migrants. does that at all change poll numbers? >> i would hope so. i mean, we are a land of immigrants. at the end of the day. the vast majority of us here in this country, with the exception of native americans, we are all immigrants. so the hope is that there is that connection but politically we know that immigration is such a divisive issue. and the question here is, when we're looking and are refugee in asylum policies, were relying on policies that were made in the wake of world war ii. we're talking about over 70
years ago. the world was a very different place. the united states was in a very different place. our global landscapes look different. but at the same time, this is what we're dealing with. so that is why we need to account for folks who are fleeing repression. who are fleeing economic instability. and this is why we need to revamp this refugee and asylum policy. at the very least, i'm not even going to hold out for a comprehensive immigration reform. but let's at least work on this because otherwise we are going to have a perennial crisis at the border of folks trying to come in. >> so, border towns, they are concerned that lifting title 42 means a surge of migrants at the border. and as i mentioned, he recently moved from texas. so how valid are these concerns? how it does lifting title 42 actually impact these communities generally speaking? >> alex, i not only lived in a
border state but i was born essentially on the border of the arizona -- i am a child of the border. in an answer this question, i can say from somebody with lived experience, when it comes to immigration, anything that happens is going to be disproportionately felt on the border. it's interesting to see the immigration is such a hot button issue in places hundreds of miles away from the border. thousands of miles away. but at the end of the day, -- it's your arizona, or san diego, california, that are going to feel the brunt of this. and yes, because the sun reality is, given the scope of these numbers and how broken are immigration system. is there isn't sufficient infrastructure within our government to adequately process these folks. take care of these folks. which is our legal commitment, by the way. if one of the traffic -- title 42 is that we are not fulfilling early commitment to our laws on the folks about processing asylum and refugee
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even the more extreme voices in the republican party, but it would censor what they say is free speech, the first amendment, on social media. so they are largely opposed to this bill. i have gotten just one house republican to support it. i want to take a listen to where this message is coming from. it is coming from the top in leadership. from the chairman of the national republican senatorial committee. which is basically the campaign here in the senate. listen to what he said. >> clearly we ought to all condemn any hatred. we ought to condemn any white supremacy. we have got to figure out how to come together. i believe we've got to stop all of this racial politics. >> so you would tell all senate republicans running for election that they need to, each and every one of them, condemn white nationalism? >> well, i tell people what i believe. and every senate count on both sides going to decide what is important to them. >> alex, rick scott is not
alone in that kind of thinking. the republican leader mitch mcconnell was impressed 3 to 4 times to condone the attack that happened, including the great replacement theory. and to tell what role republicans have, if any, to address gun violence here in this country. but the reality is that just a few months out from the midterms, republicans are not going to have a cool bio moment with democrats on this issue. >> okay. julie tsirkin. thank you so much from capitol hill. good to see you there. meantime, coming up next, a new top ten list that all democratic strategists will be scrutinizing today. including some folks on our panel. coming up. ng up. (vo) iphone 13 on us. on any unlimited plan. for every customer. with plans starting at just $35. all on the network more people rely on. at adp, we use data-driven insights to design hr solutions to help you engage and retain top performers today, so you can have more success tomorrow. ♪ one thing leads to another, yeah, yeah ♪
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here to begin all down with me is my panel. don calloway, democratic strategist and founder of the national voter protection action fund, susanville percio, republican strategist an msnbc political analyst. and it david jolly, former congressman from florida, an msnbc political contributor. my son a family, good to see you all here in your place. on the show. so here we go. david, you first. are there any names that stand out to you, as someone who can actually beat joe biden in 2024? >> yes, look. i think the republican nominee has a very strong chance of beating joe biden. and i think within the republican group that is being discussed, there are some very strong candidates. i think for the question around, can somebody take on trump? the baseline, is it has to be a candidate who has been complimentary to trump. not adversarial. not entertaining your huggins and so forth. forget about it. but in that group, it is around desantis and everybody else. i would say the wildcard is glenn youngkin. glenn youngkin has come the closest to returning the
republican party to the traditional mainstream conversations. and yes, frankly, culture wars ignored a lot of trumpism. i would say it was desantis and youngkin, forget about the rest of the list. >> okay. susan, in your thought, who is most likely to get the nomination of those names? >> i agree with david. i think it is very interesting, because he won't really have much of a record to run on. and that may work to his benefit. the other whether we keep an eye, on though, is nikki haley. she could be appealing to some trump supporters, and others. but again, it is about donald trump. and who can win that primary. right now, he is the one leaving. desantis may be poised to take him on. >> who do you, don, thank democrats see is their ideal? and, to translate, beatable opponent. we look at the democrats talk to last week as well, if you want to toss the names there.
matchups. you are welcome to do so. >> it is very difficult. i think democrats are in trouble when facing generic republican nominees. and that is because of the general problems that we have in drawing it are people from year to year, even presidential year. i would even, just in 2020, four we will be well into many of the actual voter suppression laws, particularly throughout the south. and in the states. that will put the pitch on democratic turnout. we have a test for that this fall, but by the presidential a lot of that voter suppression tactics will be accelerated, and well we have protection there two years ahead of us ahead of the actual suppression, that is an issue as well. the democrats are probably vulnerable to any generic republican, no matter how uninspiring or on repentigny maybe. >> just, quickly josh putting the list back up. just to remind you guys on who the top democrats are, right there. one, two, three. joe biden. -- ahead of kamala, harris making for an interesting discussion
at some point. let's go back to the gop list, with you, david. speaking of vice presidents, you see mike pence on that list. he is going to be campaigning tomorrow for brian kemp in georgia. who donald trump has come out against, multiple times. so this is yet another example, the latest one, about pence is trying to carve out a calculated distance from the former president. what do you make of that? and who you think has more influence here? trump or pence? >> i would, say whether vice to mike pence, forget about it. donald trump is forever liable to mike pence as being not good enough of a trumpist, republican. and then actually matters in this race. but i would also say, in terms of the general election that trump, this is interesting. if donald trump leads into, this one of the most successful political coalitions in the country right now is the never trump coalition of democrats, independents, and disaffected republicans. we saw it in 18, we saw 10:20. so going into november, if don't from says, you know what, i'm gonna run again in 2024, but is the best shot that
democrats have. >> that is so interesting. you don't think that if mike pence couldn't survive and get closer to 2024, potentially trump dropping out of the race? there are any number of reasons why he might want to. you do not think it is possible, david? >> back into indiana, focus on your faith mission where your most effective. it will not be the future of the republican party. >> okay, there you have that. >> i also want to ask about the voting, record or the record of early voting i should say, in georgia. we have more than 850,000 who have cast their votes early. that is 100 and 68% more than 2018. 220% more than 2020. so don, again, you are touching on. this this despite the new laws that many voting right advocates have said, it is going to be a lot harder to vote. what do these numbers tell you? this is just that the law might not be suppressing voter turnout as much as previously thought? >> absolutely not. it means that stacey abrams and natasha brown in those folks
have done humans work in terms of driving at supporters and democratic voters. despite those things. but it also means that if you look at those around numbers, you have to remember that 50 -- 47 to 51 votes, if not more, are also republican voters. we know about the importance of getting out early. no but the importance of early voting by mail, by absentee. and those numbers are just as much there as they are democratic turnout numbers. so i think, gone are the days. now that we live in a 24/7 political cycle, a yearlong campaign cycle. gone are the days when early turnout or increased turnout are a benefit, specifically, to democrats only two democrats. as much as us. >> you, know i'm going to ask drop to play again that soundbite from a rip scott. pretty stunning, because he would not commit two telling senate republican candidates, you've got to disavow white supremacy. guys, take a listen once again to this. >> well, clearly we ought to all condemn any hatred.
we asked to condemn any white supremacy. we have got to figure out how to come together. we believe we have to stop all this racial politics. >> so you would tell all senator publicans running that they all need, to even every one of them, condemn white nationalism? >> i tell people what i believe. and every senate count on both sides has to decide is important to them. >> okay susan. you heard that. he was, like i have to think with time going to answer this question. what is that about? >> there is no explaining it. the easy thing to say is yes, i disavow all discrimination. it was, i think you saw scott trying to figure out what was the best answer, primaries going on. and he was trying to be calculated, instead of just being straight up on us and giving a gut reaction. this is why the republican party is going to tear itself
apart and burn itself down. and that is one that you see, work scott is part of the reason. >> last word to don on this. and i will give it -- to if he has time. don? >> my first and final thought is the disavowing of racial politics is, the racial politics part of the deal that went and killed -- that is a racial politics. not how we talk about that. not wanting to monitor people so that does not happen again. that is a thing to disavow. that is the evil act here. and he does not have the courage, as a member of the night states senate, to disavow. that it is very sad. >> okay david, we do have time. give me your last thoughts on that. >> it is a perfect contrast to the conviction that don just share. rick scott reflectively tried to italy and protect white nationalism and hatred within the republican party. he tried to insulate him protected from -- shameful. >> my sunday family, don, susan, david, thank you so much, hope
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