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i'm alicia menendez. the sour democracy on the line. we look at the crucial races and who runs our elections. the woman working with democrats and secretaries of state offices going to join us. plus is january 6th an inside job? new details about the tours before the insurrection. a republican effort to cover them up. plus, haiti paid its former slave painters for its freedom. investigations show just how much a cost and ransom still lingers. bracing for a third covid summer.
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why america seems to be responding with an empathic -- this is american invoices. american democracy's doing undermined by election lies fabricated by don't donald trump and his allies. voters are fed up by those lies. trump is backing several -- it's not just -- trump's backing candidates and three other battleground states who falsely claimed trump's won the 2020 election. it's all part of the slow-moving crew to move the future elections. it's a crisis spreading in state legislatures across this country. you're reporting for the new york times reads at least 357 sitting republican legislatures in closely contested battleground states have used
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the power of their office to discredit or try to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. the tally accounts for 44% of the republican legislators in the nine states where the presidential race was most narrowly decided. in an interview with the times, trump acknowledged he is looking for candidates who want state legislatures to have a say in naming presidential electors. a position that could look politicians short-circuit the democratic process and override a popular vote. this comes as candidates like pennsylvania's gop nominee for governor, doug mastriano has fait this election cycle bending over backwards to gain trump's indoor summit. mastriano let his states stop the steal movement pushing to reverse biden's win and state, even though biden won pennsylvania by about 80,000 votes. mastriano's democratic appointment, josh shapiro calls him exclusive extreme and dangerous. >> my opponent wants to take us
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to a divisive and dark place where he is openly talking about if you are governor, about with a stroke of the pen being able to do away with voting machines that had votes on it that he did not agree with. it's very dangerous, because here in pennsylvania, the next governor will appoint the secretary of state. he was there on january 6th and when the police told him to stop at the barricades he kept marching. he is someone who wants to overturn, not just the last election, but has made clear that he would pick the winner of the next one. >> this election season, pro democracy candidates must end up to these attacks. in a column for the new york times, msnbc legal analyst barbara mcquade writes quote, the fate of our democracy does not hinge on the battle for the house for the fight for control of the senate, but on state elections for a once sleepy office. secretary of state. for democrats to fend off the america first slate, they will need to invest in these races,
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helping candidates build the name recognition they need to combat the onslaught from the right. that will take time, money, and a strategy to raise awareness about the crucial role these offices play and protecting our democracy. joining us now to discuss, kim rogers. she's the executive director of the democratic association of secretaries of state. kim, i think i late some of it out there. i'm sure you see it slightly differently. what is on the line with these elections? >> thank you so much for having me on, alicia, and for lifting up these races. they have historically flown under the radar, but exactly as you said, these races are some of the most critical on the ballot as well. so many of our fundamental freedoms will be decided in the states this year. secretaries of state are foundational to preserving our democracy and without that,
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every other hard-fought right is at risk. we have secretary who are on the frontlines in 2020's who, despite a pandemic, despite misinformation, despite personal threats against them, stood up and ensured that every eligible american had access to the ballot, and that those votes were counted. >> here's the thing, i want to hear both about what you were doing proactively, but to the point that barbara mcquade made in her piece for the new york times, i also want to understand when it is you are up against. funding wise, support wise, organizationally in from the right. how much of their weight are they throwing behind these fights? >> i think you mentioned it yourself. the former president has endorsed in these races in arizona, in georgia, in michigan, and ohio. they are throwing their weight
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in it. that is something he did not even do while he was in office as president, because he wants to change the outcome of past and future elections. these are the folks who are running, willing to do it. we are seeing grassroots styler, as we are seeing big money, going to these races. we are seeing some of the most extreme candidates across the country decide to step up and run -- the folks who are running said these include people who not only are endorsed by trump, but they're doing investigated by january six commission. these are folks who have spoken at qanon conferences. continuing to spread lies by elections. there's even a candidate in colorado who has been indicted on more than ten counts related to election tampering.
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these are the folks who want to run to oversee our elections. >> i think we are living in a moment where ordinarily you would read out that dossier and it would be a slam dunk, but we are living in a moment where that might actually excite some numbers of the gop basis. we sort of painted the big picture. i want to drill down specifically on mastriano nominee for pennsylvania governor. the guardian rates mastriano is one of the most -- ever to receive a major party nomination. after all of trump's legal challenges have failed, and the pennsylvania secretary of state had formally certified biden the winner, last rondo introduced a resolution urging congress to ignore the results. his plan was for the pennsylvania legislature to ignore millions of votes and directly appoint electors pledged to trump. wet can someone like mastriano do? how can you change a contour of the democracy if you?
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winds >> as governor of pennsylvania, it gets to appoint the secretary of state he has already said he could quote, reset the voter roll, forcing everyone to reregister. but also, he is already claiming he decertified every machine in the state with the stroke of the. pence is incredibly dangerous, and frankly not the first you've seen. craig gathered and texas -- removed an administrator appointed a big lie. trump attorney to the post. in florida, similarly, we saw desantis push out an election in favor of a trump acolyte. these folks are incredibly dangerous, and where they are -- these are folks who are intimately tied to the insurrection and two overriding elections. just on friday we had news come
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out that ginni thomas, the wife of the supreme court justice, clarence thomas, reached out to a state legislature analogy arizona to run legislation, to allow the state legislature to overturn the slate of electors. that woman is running for secretary of state! this is incredibly dangerous. you also have a candidate andorra -- georgia. judy hice voted against as a member of congress, voted against certifying the presidential election. these are the people who are running to oversee the elections. the danger is real. they spread misinformation about election results. they push voter suppression laws. they are destabilizing our election administration at the state and local level just to score political points and claimed victory regardless of the voters. >> we talked a lot about
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election -- or not talking about what we ordinarily would sit down and talk about, which is instead of making it more difficult for people to vote you are actually making it easier for people to vote, which is the conversation that ideally we would be having. when it comes to that piece of democratic action, it is on the line? >> i mean so, much. our secretary's in the midst of 2020 major americans could vote safely. whether it is increasing early vote or vote by mail ensuring that folks -- you've seen pro democracy and democratic secretaries of state create units in their office to combat the disinformation that is confusing for voters in trying to keep people from going to the polls. so we are running against people who have our candidates,
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have a record of competence. they have a proven track record of ensuring that every eligible voter, republican, democratic, independent, has access to the free and fair elections. frankly, these folks also have over say. they can look at where polling locations are. where drop boxes go. but also can keep an eye on security and oversight. so we can catch these insider threats that happened in places like colorado and michigan. even ohio and georgia. we can catch the folks at a local level who are trying to dismantle democracy from the inside, because of the level of oversight that the secretaries of state. have >> kim rogers, the executive director of the them accredited so she shun of state secretaries. thank you for talking us through this. next, digging into the capital towards ahead of january 6th. what were they doing? why were republicans lying about them? plus, the doj will get the
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january six documents they want. it, not yet anyway. where that investigation stands and where we could be headed. standing by to let get other big stories. >> we've got some breaking news tonight. the president biden has authorized the first to defense production act aimed at easing the nationwide baby formula shortage. now this move gives formula manufacturers priority with their suppliers. 27 people were hurt when a bush -- bus crushed on i-95 near baltimore and maryland. 15 were transported to local hospitals. no other vehicles were involved. the maryland state police are investigating the accident. pennsylvania lieutenant governor john fetterman is out of the hospital. fetterman won the democratic nomination for his -- during his nine-day stay. he suffered a stroke earlier this month and had a procedure to implement the pacemaker. more american voices after the break. arimecan voices after the break. break.
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♪♪ ♪♪ >> january six committees
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invited a seventh republican congressman to testify, they're hoping to meet with him as soon as this week. the committee wants to ask gop representative barry loudermilk, about a torn about the capitol he led on january 5th. latter melt design denies that is visitors had anything to do the insurrection. >> january the 5th, i took a family with young children and their kids were visiting washington to launch in a
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cafeteria and one of the house office buildings. so, what was so awful but this family that caused committee to make a false accusations about them, well, someone actually wearing red baseball caps. >> the january six committee, however, says they have evidence that quote, the luck directly cowed contradicts loudon exclaimed. joining me now luke broadwater, congressional -- msnbc legal analyst daniel goldman, and former counsel for the first trump impeachment. good to see you both, luke, -- was the first to accuse the gop of giving congressman torres of the capital, here is the miscounting, cullison. >> i was really shocked, when i got into the house office building and saw these groups inside. there had been no tours allowed, even towards given by members, and so the only reason why you have a visitor is an official business. so, to see these groups around
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the capitol complex was really striking. >> luke, what more have you learned about these tours and your reporting? >> sure, well a number of democratic congresspeople say that they saw tours going on the day before the attack on the capitol on. these say that they seemed curious to them because as you pointed out, the capital is under strict covid restrictions at the time. very few of them -- about which members of congress they saw on the tours. london we did hear a long time ago was, maybe a year ago, was lauren bloomberg, she then admitted that she had taken her family on a tour of the capital. but she said no one involved in that door to anything to do with the attack on the complex. here you have a similar situation with barry loudermilk in georgia, where he saying that he has, i did take
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constituents on a tour, it was a family, he said and their gas, i don't know who those people are. they were wearing red baseball caps, they went to the house office building, but he claims they did not go into the capital. this is interesting because mr. louder mix committee has been so forceful in calling out the democrats on this issue and saying that these were all lies there was no towards, going on that these are basically defamatory accusations against them. it does seem like they do have some evidence here from january six committee to put out that they have evidence that directly contradicts this statement. we don't know if they reviewed all of the video, the capitol police have given them about 14,000 helpers, of total video to review here. so, i do assume that they've had where they are saying, well
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there is a congressman giving a tour, there is another one, again, they didn't directly alleged anyone involved avenue these stories later infiltrated the building. but they do know that that these tours were supposed to be off limits at the time and so they want people to come unanswered questions, if it was only tours, what weather names, what else can you tell us about them, why were they in washington at this time, and, you know, you get to see these congresswoman actually come in and submit to the interview. >> i think what is in part interesting to me, is we have these public hearings that are forthcoming, at this point there few days away. how this piece, what happened in the lead up to january six, the role that sitting members of congress had in the lead up to january six, as the committee tries to build that part of the narrative, these congressman torres how important there to tell that story? >>, well i, think there is a
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significant part of the story, we now know from mark meadows text messages, that they were a number of sitting congressman who were involved in the effort to overturn the election. now what we have here, is the committee being directly contradicting larry loudermilk, and the minority of his committee that upstanding looked at the capitol police video, denied there was anything suspicious there. i guarantee you, -- running that investigation that numerous former prosecutors on that investigation would not make that allegation unless they had the goods. unless they had evidence, they did not say that your on a tour with a family, you had lunch or whatever it was, that's barry loudermilk saying that that was the door they're talking about. we don't even know whether that is the door, -- so, we don't know if it's video
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evidence that they have there could be other -- what this goes to show it is a, a significant quantum of evidence of the january six committee has, he has to make republican members of congress very, very worried because we're learning more and more is that they're very involved in the most anti-democratic effort to overturn the election we've ever seen. their involvement to the extent of its expose by the january six committee is very problematic for them. >> luke, daniel thank you so much for walking us through this. next, covid confusion, misinformation in mexico, migrants headed towards the united states now the targets of fake news arena show you what's going on. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. it's time to get outdoorsy. it's hot! and wayfair has got just what you need. we need a rug. that's the one. yeah. yeah we're getting outdoorsy.
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those sources last week committee chairman bennie thompson -- request for transcripts of a closed-door interview. >> the reality is we, are conducting her own investigation. and obviously, if they want to come and talk they perfectly welcome to and leave talked to them in other situations, we can't give them full access to our product. that would be premature at this point because we haven't completed our own work. >> back with me not luke broadwater and daniel goldman, luke i watch the water this week cheer as this news broke that you had doj requesting some of these documents. i wonder now that you have the 16 committee sort of pumping the brakes on this, what you make of it? >> well, i think the 16 committees full from frustrated that it's taken as many of us as the doj so long to start to
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coordinate and communicate in substance way with the committee. the committee has been unbelievably aggressive and meticulous, and hardworking angolan through this investigation. -- that carry the department of justice is not. amber, committee has been absorbing the doj being more active, and now the doj is sort of after the fact and ones on the transcript of the interview. i think the january six committee is sort of annoy that they're gearing up before there are major hearings to reveal so much of what they've learned, and the department of justice just wants dirt transcripts before, it's a bit of, some of it seems a bit silly at the end of the day. as you point out, it will take on number of different
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investments, in teams, in full accountability on january 6th and true accountability can really only come from the department of justice which is only arm that can actually critically prosecute anyone. the january six committee, has very little authority to do much else other than reveal what occurred and passed legislation and recommend legislation. so, there's some frustration my gases after these earrings there will be better coordination, it maybe make sense for all of government, for the country or the january six committee to get these transcripts over, i think they want to have their moment in the sun in this hearing, and weigh in on getting them. >> luke, i referenced this news breaking you of course broke that story about the justice department's request, any insights you can give us into their thinking? >> sure, i think that this sort
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of cuts both ways the justice department wants voluminous transcript from the january six committee, but january six committee also wants something from the justice department that they haven't received. and so, when you hear benny thompson say, that we're just not gonna turn everything over, maybe they can come in, what a second conversation, review things one by one. a source told me that's a little bit of negotiating in public, maybe there's some documents, or interviews, or investigative materials that the justice department's hands in their position that they have been turned over to the january six committee. so, these are confidential negotiations going on behind closed doors, i don't have time insight in them, but that's not so simple as just, open the doors and turn everything over to justice. i do think they will come, we're talking about really a matter of time, does justice
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walk in tomorrow and have access to everything or while they have it at the end of the hesitation. and so you know, i think most of the base wants to see these documents turnover lady into the justice department. but, there may be something to strategically that january six committee needs from justice, and so this is a negotiation. d so this is a negotiation >> i think it may be negotiating, but my suspicion is it's more negotiating about the criminal contempt referrals that the january 6th committee in the house made to the department of justice, especially about mark meadows, which the committee has complained about wildly, loudly, that they've not acted on that.
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it's not reasonable to expect that the department of justice we've give any information an ongoing investigation into the january six committee. the information really flows one way when it comes to ongoing investigations. it's possible that they made official requests to the department of justice for records of stuff that some related to the investigation, but my guess is they're not going to get a lot of that material. as to timing, i agree. i just said after the hearings hey -- there will start to be a lot more coordination. because ultimately the members of the january six committee, especially liz cheney, really wants to see accountability from criminal prosecution and indictment by the department of justice, and that they only want to do that to the extent that the committee can help the department of justice [inaudible] , i think it's their incentives
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that are a lot. >> i have 30 seconds left. you have the house passing a domestic terrorism prevention anna. if signed into law, how would that change the justice department's approach to attacks like january 6th. >> look, if there is a way that the department of justice can prosecute domestic terrorism, and it is in the area of the law -- it's a little murky. it's not as clear and clarified. frankly, the law has not caught up with the problem. the problem of domestic terrorism as the fbi director, christopher wray said, the single most significant problem in our country, threat to our country. this law helps to bring the legal framework, the criminal framework to the point where we are now, which is where we've had domestic violence
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extremists using discriminatory feelings and plastered on line to commit horrible, senseless acts of murder. ultimately, this would go further in trying to prevent that from happening. but it's not enough in and of itself, but it's a good first step. >> luke, daniel, thank you both so much for being with us. next, covid confusion settles in for a long summer. what is happening with the case count? which would you do with that? we're going to talk to a doctor after a break. later, a fortune taken from haiti -- answers ahead. haiti -- answers ahead. answers ahead. open talenti and raise the jar. to gelato made from scratch. raise the jar to all five layers. raise the jar to the best gelato... you've ever tasted. talenti. raise the jar. caution. vehicle electrified. you've ever tasted. contact results in rapid heart rate,
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stark reminder the pandemic is still with us. covid cases went up 57% across the country in the last two weeks. the cdc now urging americans in one third of the country to mask up indoors again as 32% of americans live in areas considered medium or high risk. the current surge is spearheaded by the omicron variant, considered less deadly than the previous delta variant, a study published in the journal of medical association in the state of massachusetts, omicron has killed more people than delta. but despite the continued risk, recent polling finds 14% consider it a serious crisis.
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with me, an msnbc physician and former obama white house policy director. doctor, i know sometimes when we take through those numbers, those numbers are potentially missing context, so what more do you want our viewers and listeners to understand about those numbers and where we are in this moment? >> i think a very important kind of feature for those numbers is that the number one, not only are the cases going up but we are starting to see hospitalizations going up. i'm in the d.c. area. we are starting to see it. it is certainly nowhere near what we saw with omicron, but we don't want to wait till that happens. then on top of that deaths have been coming down. about 300 deaths a day, but we are still starting to see that plateau a bit. that tells me that the next weeks, those numbers are likely going to continue to go up and the other thing i will tell you that we should just reinforces that only half of the americans
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that have been fully vaccinated that are eligible for booster have gotten. and we know some of the different omicron, the difference between not going to the hospital are going to the hospital has a lot to do it if you were vaccinated, including the booster. we know that children 5 to 11, only 28% are totally vaccinated. those numbers need to come up or that leaves people susceptible, even if previously infected to new infections. the incubation period for omicron is set to be 2 to 4 days shorter than other variants. how does that impact how often when people should consider testing? >> great question. look. i've been telling people that you can start testing even 24 to 36 hours after suspected come back. you do not need to wait. we told people, wait 3 to 5 weeks. you don't need to do that
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anymore. the test can be an incredible asset to have. we recommend them. the government will give them to you for free, but if you have symptoms and you have an again negative antigen test, that would still get the pcr, because i've seen a lot of false negatives, even with proven covid on pcr, but i would recommend people start testing. if you have the test at home. 1 to 2 days after a probable contact. we are seeing them flip positive pretty soon. >> we've talked about testing. i want to talk to you about mask-wearing. you have the cdc recommending that people start masking again indoors. what do people need to know? this is a calculus again. everybody is doing it over and over, day after day? >> it is. if you're going into an indoor space and you just are crowded in, that could be a restaurant or wherever, you fill in the blank. an airport. i would put on a mask, especially in many of the areas across the country where we are watching numbers coming up in double digits and i want to say
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this because i know people are tired, but think of what happens if you have a positive and you're fully vaccinated and boosted, such as myself. that means five days of isolation. five days where you cannot do your job if you need to. five days where you have to have other loved ones away from you. the disruption to your life, in my opinion, is not worth it as cases go up. this is such a highly transmissible variant. it's not just the omicron from december and january. it's even more infectious. it's much easier to get. it just makes sense. crowded spaces, indoors, put a mask. >> i've got about 30 seconds left. i'm going to ask you, doctor kavita patel, please talk to me more broadly about the moment we find ourselves in. the reason i read that polling is there are a lot of people have moved on. they think they've moved on. they want to move on. there's the reality that you laid out, which is we are still very much in this. how do you communicate around that and how do you build policy around that when you have those two competing! >> number one, acknowledgment
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and honesty that we are all tired of this, but also showing people that we are making progress. this is so different than march of 2020, and i do want to emphasize that we have treatments on board, it's just a matter of all of us doing it. we could get more people boosted, alicia, because it would be a very different conversation. we could strive to get that goal. >> doctor, kavita patel, thank you so much for being with us. next, misinformation in mexico, migrants headed for the united states. we are going to show you what is going on. but first, a preview of what else to expect tonight right here on msnbc. >> hey there everyone, tonight at nine eastern a former trump dhs a fist still, miles taylor will join me to discuss his decision to join the gop and would got him to the breaking point. tonight nine eastern, msnbc. t nine eastern, msnbc. t nine eastern, msnbc. dy. what goes on it. usually.
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refugee has been waiting since trump was in office. they were told the policy was ending to have hopes their hopes of entering the u.s. nbc's near the mexican border with more. >> we've all seen news images at the u.s. mexico border with groups of hundreds of migrants arriving at the border, entering the u.s. and going through that asylum process, or whatever it is that u.s. authorities are gonna do. meanwhile, at the mexico southern border with guatemala here in tapachula, groups of migrants continue crossing into mexico, a lot of them trying to reach the u.s. mexico border. this is a christian shelter in tapachula where they receive people from different countries. i spoke to a group from venezuela, another man from cuba, and we're here to find out which type of information they have when they travel.
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there's a lot of misinformation spreading among migrants that could be the cause for the migrants traveling into the u.s.. a lot of them thinking the border is open. not understanding that some of the people that we have seen in these television images will be flipped back to their countries or others will be expelled. it's not as easy as some of them might think. the man from cuba told me he saw a facebook post saying come now, the border is open. which is incorrect of course. a lot of people don't understand what title 42 means. they know there's big news. there are no there's been headlines but they don't understand with the meaning us. meanwhile, you have smugglers in the area who are spreading that misinformation, telling them that the headlights of title 42 essentially means the border is open. this is what authorities, federal authorities and activists in places like these are trying to fight against. they sit down with the migrants. they informed them with title 42 really mean. stay tell them if you remain in mexico, policy is still in place at the border and they tell them what can happen if
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wanted independence from france and slave revolt. such an uprising led to the formation of a country. that freedom came with a heavy price. building upon decades of research of historians, new york times investigation published saturday shows after haiti wanted into independence it was forced to pay france a massive ransom and face another war, making haiti quote, the first and only country with the descendants of enslaved people -- paid the families of the former masters for their generations. they sent billions of dollars to friends over several decades funding the eiffel tower. new york times concludes that if my knee had stayed in haiti, it would've ended up to 115 billion dollars.
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let's bring in the founder and executive director -- guerline jozef, i want you to draw a line for me. connect the dots between that history, research, investigation. what we learned there. the state of haiti today and why it is that we see so many haitian migrants showing up at the u.s. mexico border. >> thank you so much, alicia. the research showed exactly where we are today and why we are here today. as you mentioned, a history of haiti, the culture of haiti's rich and beautiful. the tragedies that come with having to pay the same people who enslaved us for the freedom of haiti and i also want people to understand that haiti has always been a country that
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received people from the middle east, from europe, received people from around the world and search of freedom and liberty. because that is what exactly haiti was built and created to represent. a new idea, a new reality we're all people would be free and free from slavery. we paid the cost with our blood, and we actually paid the cost with money that we are still now seeing the impact of. 115 billion dollars. that is what the cost of freedom -- that is what caused the impoverishing of heidi today. we always see it in the highlight, haiti, the poorest country in the western hemisphere. but, this shows the world exactly why we say haiti's not for. the richest of haiti and the culture, the man power, the money of haiti was stolen by france and continued to be
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stolen by powers around the world. >> it struck me that there was this very big piece in the new york times, and it came as there was all this legal back-and-forth over title 42. that is the bulk of the work that you do. you are working with patients who want to seek asylum in the united states. talk to me a little bit about what it means for haitians seeking asylum at the u.s. mexico border, the title 40 remains in place. >> thank you so much, alicia. the title 42 remaining in place right now continues to literally kill haitians and other people at the u.s. mexico border. as i'm speaking to you right now i am in the middle of planning funerals for two people into quanah who were killed due to title 42. one and tapachula, one in mcallen and because of room --
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11 in puerto rico. what we are seeing right now is the human cost of with title 42 is. also, haiti is the only country that u.s. has chosen to deport and expel people to over the weekend. over 200 yesterday, over 200 today, including 60 children between the ages of zero and two. the united states over the weekend has sent over 400 people to haiti, deporting over 400 asylum seekers under title 42, and i will repeat, the only country that the united states have chosen to deport and expel people, including pregnant women and babies between the ages of zero to two, as i'm speaking to you right now. in addition to that, when we see the human life, people making the journey from haiti
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or south central america, to make it to the border, i cannot even to begin to explain to the hardship, the horse stories we have heard of people literally dying on the way, because they cannot stay at home, because of what is happening in haiti. because we are still paying for it being the leaders of freedom. for making sure that people are free. we are seeing the economy impacting haiti right now. in addition to the climate change and in addition to the killing and murder of the president. extreme instability and haiti. gang violence. buying arms that -- we do not make arms in haiti. we don't create guns. at the same time, making sure we are deporting back to the country we know for a fact -- what we are seeing right now,
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title 42 is that acceptable. we are standing against it. we are pushing the biden administration to do the right thing by appealing and not take no for an answer when it comes to title 42. and any other policies that are hindering and creating people to die at the border right now, it is unacceptable for us as a country, the united states to continue this title 42. >> guerline jozef, thank you so much. i am alicia menendez. many hassan picks up the coverage. hi, mehdi. hello >> such a powerful alicia, powell or conversation you conversation there. isn't it have a trump frustrating that you have judge, federal a trump judge, a federal judge judge in louisiana on friday, blocking the blocking the biden administration ministration from lifting title lifting title 42, 42. the same republicans who decry activist judges. we have no problem with the judge effectively writing a federal government's immigration policy. >> we often refer to this is

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