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choi na that the u.s. will defend taiwan if beijing decides to invade as his pentagon briefs reporters. and later, what's going on with monkeypox. president biden says everybody should be concerned about the latest outbreak. i'll speak with the top white house national security official on biosecurity, coming up. welcome to "mtp daily." i'm garrett haake in for chuck todd. another week means another big election night is almost here. primaries in alabama, arkansas and georgia in addition to runoff elections in texas tomorrow night. the big spotlight of the night will be on georgia. it's a key battleground for senate control in the midterms and a hugely important presidential battleground in 2024. and it has also been ground zero for president trump's lies about
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a stolen election. more on how that has changen up these races in a minute. but let's start in my home state of texas, where the issue of abortion has become a key focus in a closely watched democratic runoff. back in march, neither incumbent nor bernie sanders-backed candidate could cross the threshold. in a race that featured an fbi raid and questions on electability and border poicy. they have tried to seize on the intention in the draft opinion overturning roe. putting the issue front and center against the pro-life candidate. this is how she made her pitch to chuck earlier this month. >> in this moment, we're watching the fall of rome. and the erosion of our fundamental rights. this moment we truly it necessitates a champion that's going to fight fur people's rights. there's so many key issue where is he's siding with republican asks he can become the joe
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manchin of the house. we don't want it to be the deciding vote on the future of our fundamental freedoms and rights in this country. we can't risk that. >> whether that is enough tip the scales will be closely watched by democrats around the country. then moving to georgia where a single issue has and really still is dominating the republican primary for governor as former senator david purdue is challenging incumbent governor brian kemp on the issue of the president's big lie. that the 2020 election was stolen. as you probably remember, kemp and his secretary of state refused to yield to pressure from trump and his allies to overturn the 2020 results. and like trump, perdue blames kemp for republicans' losses in georgia, including his own senate seat loss. trump had 2.6 million on behalf of perdue, but polls have kemp above the threshold showing how hard it is to defeat an incumbent governor.
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but even if purdue falls short, his share of the vote going to tell us how much of the gop in georgia cares about trump's election lies above basically everything else. if you look the at the results last week in pennsylvania, like in arizona, you see a pretty clear portrait of a republican party and its embrace of the former president's attacks on our elections. we'll get back to the runoffs in texas in a minute, but let's stay inyne alexander. so we have dualing primary eve events tonight with mike pence stumping for kemp and trump hold ing a rally tiling into an event for perdue. what are their closing messages going to be and how is it looking for kemp? we mentioned he was above 50% in the most recent polling. >> unless the polling is completely wrong, it looks like
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kemp is on his way to a victory. it shows a lead over perdue. i think what's notable is what we're not going to hear from kemp and that's any criticism of president trump. it's something he's been doing all along the way. he's not been talking about trump. he's not talked about 2020 and he underscored that point today in the call with with reporters saying he's not going to criticize the former president. he's going to keep doing what he's been doing all along, which is running on his record. that is a vastly different approach than what we have seen from david perdue, who has pinned his entire campaign on 2020 and trying to cast governor kemp as the enemy, the villain that comes out of 2020. now i do think what we'll hear from both is this kind of shared message that both are going to be the best candidate to beat stacey a brams in november but he's looking past november. >> it wasn't supposed to be this way. he was recruited by president
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trump. he had the backing of the folks here now these recent polls have him down 30 odd points. what happened? >> we my lose on tuesday and went on to note, i can -- what was the way he said this. i am guaranteed we will not lose by 30 points. it was an odd phrasing. who stands to lose two different races in the course of 15 months. there's a candidate this is a man who has a self-worth of millions of dollars, yet has put in only a few hundred thousand of those himself here. it's important to note when you look at the poll, it suggests perdue is around 30%. that would go to suggest that
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there is that loyal base of trump support in this republican party that we have seen in other races over the course of this last month. one of those was in nebraska. he walked away with 30% of the vote and he was back bid donald trump. but what it does show is that there's a larger portion of the republican electorate not only here, but across the country willing to move beyond 2020 and vote for a republican candidate who runs on issues beyond the certification of the election. >> they have stacey abrams who they will be facing off with in november. and starting to target a bram who is is the democrat republicans most want to defeat. >> it's something that we have
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been hearing all along in this campaign. her name was brought up 20 times during the first debate and she wasn't even on the stalk. we're already getting a preview of what we're going to see looking ahead to november. i want to play a clip of a speech she gave at a fundraiser over the weekend that's get ing a lot of attention from republicans. she says that georgia is the worst state in the country to live before going on to list a number of quality of life issues like maternal mortality and incarceration. here's a little pith of her remarks and then we'll talk on the other side. >> we are the worst state in the country to live. when you're number 48 for mental health, you're number one for maternal mortality, a an incarceration rate on the rise, then you're not the number one place to live in the united states. but we can get there. >> reporter: as you can imagine,
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governor kemp seized on and tweeted saying he believes georgia is the best state to live, work and do business. he wants to fight to keep it that way. i talked with his team and he said he will likely mention that during that rally tonight on stage with the form vice president. abrams team doubled town on that and said in her words, governor kemp doesn't care, but when i'm governor, i will fight to make sure all georgians essentially have access to the best quality of life fpz. >> joining me onset is the washington pure row chief, matt gorman and navine niacc. we have trump election lies on the right. we have this abortion issue coming front and center on the left in the runoff in texas. what are we going to learn about the two issues come wednesday morning? >> the thing i'm northeast
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interested in is particularly on the governor's race in georgia and the texas race. do the benefits of incumbents, these are both two men on the ground engaged with voters, typically that candidate wins when challenged in a primary. but are the forces of politic, the changes in realtime going to overwhelm those historical patterns. >> matt, for a guy who is basically still the fwie in the party for donald trump, he seems to have swung at a pitch in the dirt with perdue. he pumped money into the campaign. it hasn't gone anywhere. are we going to see the limits of this single issue for republican voters is? >> even trump hazard backed away. fds there's a 30%. >> i think it's pest due struggling one i'm watching is the race for secretary of state.
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they are aligned with that. so they have really aligned himself with that perdue and trump line. i don't know if there's going to be a lot of kemp voters, but i'm curious to see if the margins match up. >> if those hold on, what does trump do in the general president bush he's said he would almost prefer stacey a bram s to brian kemp. you saw a loud chorus of republicans chastise trump for that. she's going to unify the party. but if she cannot win in 2018 in a historic democratic year, it's going to be tougher this time around. sdwl that's the challenge. i don't think anybody in politics thinks 2022 has n outline great for democrats. stl there's a few things. the state keeps changing. >> things are moving in the right direction. i think the other thing which is the key to 2020 overall is the
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most fundamental change in rights in this country with abortion being overturned. she has a credible case to make. saying i am the only thing that stands in the way of you losing these fundamental rights. i think that's going to be a case democrats will be making. >> there's a theory to all of this that on abortion rights, it's the party that overreaches more that gets punished. and the idea of bans is scarier to people who might describe themselves as not comfortable with democratic language on abortion. a ban goes too far. is that the needle that a brooms needs to thread? >> i think the republican party, the maga republican party right now is so far out of step with the mainstream americans. data shows 60% of americans support a right to abortion. not only are republicans removing that right, you're seeing all these states trying
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to pass laws that ban the right to an abortion that are going to see this criminalizing having an abortion preventing women from going out of state to access these. if there's one thing you can count on, and even the fact that senator mcconnell couldn't hold back saying it is possible we might ban this nationally, just goes to show that's where the energy of the republican party is right now. >> i'm headed to lo ray doe after this. that's the theory of the case that they want to put forward. fds to be the joe manchin of the house on a question of abortion rights. is that issue going to be enough for her? it's not like doesn't have other help. there's a lot of things that lock like thigh could be breaking her way. >> they have taken a lot of hits and directions. the tiing of this one was brutal for him. so it remains under clear.
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it must be remembered in democratic politics. this is a general election seat in a highly roman catholic area. so the way it is discussed in the primary and how it's discussed in the general are open questions. >> democratic leadership have stayed with them on this. what do you make of that? even speaker pelosi was down there saying we're going to do everything we can to fight for abortion rights except campaign against this guy in our party. >> i just think they are photo going to be the kind of leaders that said they have to be with us on every single issue. that's one of the things that makes it different. than maga republicans. they are totally allowed with donald trump except wouldn't overturn the election and the criminally undertake an act to find 11,000 more votes. >> what's the ad here for if
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they win. they are the most progressive folks. is that an opportunity for republicans. it's a blue leaning district. but is having a progressive stand there make that a more appealing opportunity? >> i thought so even before the roe leaked opinion came down. if it's roman catholic district, what i do is a couple weeks ago chuck todd was doing an interview in ohio. asked flat out, do you show any restrictions on abortion? she wouldn't commit to anything. i would say the tame saim thing here. you're seeing that as for republicans to get on offense. we ran ads on that issue. >> i want to go back to the questions of election denialism here. there's a "new york times" report that 357 sitting republican legislatures in closely contested battleground states have used the power of
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their office to discredit or try to overturn the results of the 2020 election. perdue is probably not going to win tomorrow. how deeply embedded is this culture of election security on one end or full on election result denialism on the other in the republican party in the state? >> i think that's going to be an issue. the state legislation whether it's the election stuff or abortion. i'm curious of those how many legislators in the country they are. i just for perspective. they are part of the party that believes this. even as you see, the 60 or 30 percentage of kemp to perdue shows this was waning. >> is there enough of party to support doug in pennsylvania? >> in a five-person primary like it was and no one was dropping out. you look at nebraska, the governor's pick won there. trump's didn't. the same with kemp. i think that's more increasing.
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>> i'm hung up on the idea of overreach today. is this the secret sauce for democrats to survive this midterm if on abortion republicans are too extreme. on throwing out your the vote, republicans are too extreme to try to hammer that point to try to make every republican candidate? >> i think the reality is elections are a choice. historically, midterms are not. they are a ref run department. but every time you go in, you're picking between two candidates and we have a party that's been taken over. they are taken over and i think on issue after issue, the scary thing about the election stuff didn't just january 6th, 2020. it's that all of these people are going to contest every election. you can't tell me that republicans aren't going to contest the future election if they don't like the result. it's this pattern of questioning basic votes count and i think you're going to see them wanting
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to cancel the vote. >> we're going to see somebody have to concede in the senate race too. we have to leave it there. thank you all for your reporting ask your expertise. as we look ahead to this week's primaries, we have important programming notes. georgia democratic candidate stacey abrams joins joy reed a at 7:00 eastern. and for all your election updates all night long, "mtp daily" will hold another election night special. that's beginning at 8:00 eastern streaming on news now and featuring yours truly. i'll be heading there to cover the texas runoff. up next, the latest from tokyo as president biden rounds out his first presidential trip to asia making major news on a potential showdown with china over taiwan. we have those details after this. you're watching "mtp daily." det this you're watching "mtp daily." r q.
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you didn't want to get involved in the ukraine conflict militarily for obvious reasons. are you willing to get involved to defend taiwan in p if it comes to that? >> yes. >> you are? ? >> that's the commitment we made. >> welcome back. that was president biden during a joint press conference in japan and those comments are get ing a lot of attention. taiwan's ministry welcomed the remarks while china warned, no one should underestimate the strong determination, firm will, and strong ability of the chinese people to defend national sovereignty and territorial integrity. soon after the president's remarks, a white house official told nbc news that u.s. policy had not changed. the president will return to d.c. tomorrow and will have a slew of issues to tacken on his domestic issue including the ongoing baby formula shortage, rising gas prices, and a court
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decision on title 42. to break all this down, i'm joined by my colleague mike memoli, he's in tokyo. mike, this is not the first time the president made remarks like this on taiwan, but this is the first time the president made them in asia, standing next to the prime minister of japan. is the white house trying to down play the significance of what he said? >> reporter: well, they sure are. you heard an only camera version of that walk-back statement from secretary lloyd austin responding to our colleague at the pentagon to what we heard from the white house yesterday. but it's so important that you played the full question and the full answer from president biden yesterday because it is that full question the context of comparing the way the u.s. might act versus how we have acted versus ukraine. that make it is so much harder for the white house to walk this statement back and say that simply rerating existing policy. there's the one china policy
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where taiwan is a part of china, but the act that terms of the taiwan relations act are similar to what we have been doing with ukraine. giving them the resources to defend themselves. and if that context of the question the president was asked, he indicated he would be tlog go further to do more for taiwan than ukraine. the president had an event later that day. i was in the room and shouting to clarify what he meant. i promise you he heard the other questions asked by my colleagues and he did not do that. as we with move into tuesday, it is tuesday here in tokyo. it is a number of opportunities for the press to ask him additional questions. he's holding a number of bilateral meetings. . that the full story of whether this is a one-day story or a multiple day public relations and international relations
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problem will be determined by what the president himself says later today. >> on the one hand, there's this strategic of keeping them guessing, but if you have the president and staff saying different things at different times, this could get messy. mike, when he gets back, it will still be tuesday. the wonders of modern time zone air travel. the white house has got a ton on their plate when they get back. i know they are busy with the foreign policy, but how is the white house looking ahead to all those domestic challenges that will still be on their plet when the president touches back down state side? >> up until about 2:00 local time here on monday, it was interesting the degree to which this trip had otherwise bye-bye defined it was largely about
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domestic policy. the president doing a number of events trying to get home the message this his economic policies, investment in the electric vehicle market leading to announcements like the ones he was able to make here with hyundai opening up a plant in georgia, or the chips act, which they have been pushing hard. doing an event all the samsung as they olympian to build a plnt in texas to do the same. so they have been trying to tee up the domestic politics through their time here in asia, but as you say, a number of issues in which the president is going to be having to deal with the biggest one i think is that title 42 situation. yes, there's now this injunction to prevent the white house from lifting it. but it's not one that's going to go away. it will lead to another foreign policy challenge for president biden because on the calendar just a few week trs now is the summit of the americas welcoming baically the entire western hemisphere, the leadership there. and it may not survive the test. >> we're going to talk more about title 42 later in the
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show. mike memoli shouting himself hoarse on behalf of the viewers. mike, thank you. and in case you missed it, chuck's show digs into taiwan and what the u.s. might do if china did invade. that ep soid is available now on peacock. still to come, when we thought covid concerns were starting to fade, the president warns everyone should be concerned about monkeypox. i'll speak with the white house medicaled a providers about the real threat it poses, after this. you're watching "mtp daily." r this you're watching "mtp daily." get decision tech from fidelity. [ cellphone vibrates ] you'll get proactive alerts for market events before they happen... and insights on every buy and sell decision. with zero-commission online u.s. stock and etf trades. for smarter trading decisions, get decision tech from fidelity. does daily stress leave you feeling out of sync?
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welcome back. razz covid cases continue to climb, president biden is trying to down play conferences over another virus. monkeypox. >> we have had this monkeypox in large numbers in the past. number two, we have vaccines to take care of it. number three, there is thus far doesn't seem to be a need for any kind of extra effort beyond what's going on. and so i just don't think it rises to the level of the kind of concern that existed with covid-19 or the smallpox vaccine. so i think people should be careful. >> the w.h.o. says monkeypox cases have been reported in at least a dozen countries now, although no deaths associated with this recent outbreak.
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and the president's efforts to calm nerves came after key voice concerns over it just a day earlier. >> they haven't told me the level of exposure yet, but it is something that everybody should be concerned about. we're working on hard to figure out what we do and what vaccine maybe available for it. but it is a concern in the sense that if it were to spread, it's consequential. >> i'm joined by dr. raj, lead ing the white house' pandemic office. help me understand this. the president raised the alarm and then softened his statements this morning. whaps the reality of this outbreak and how worried should americans be about it? >> thank you for having me on. the president is really ensuring we stay individual will not. we have taken infectious diseases seriously fl the beginning of this administration on day one the president restored the pandemic
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preparedness office that i lead now, ask we are monitoring and responding to the threats. when it comes to risk to the general public, we know that risk is low. that's because the current number of cases we have seen so far all have been less severe and we know that we have, as the president said, vaccines available for this disease. it's not a new disease. it's spreading in new ways and new places and quite suddenly, but we have treatments. >> can you talk about that spread a little bit? that's one of the things that people have the most questions about. you have firsthand experience treating in disease. how does it spread? how contagious is it or do we know with this current outbreak? >> the disease presents with flu-like symptoms in most patients and a rash can develop. it usually resolves in two to four weeks. it's direct contact with the rash that is the most normal way or major way that this transmits
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from people to people. thaps what we worry about. this is not asymptomatic transmission as we saw with covid, which it's also not an contagious a as covid. you have to have contact directly with the person with the symptoms. as you can imagine, the rash itself is quite apparent. >> the pandemic preparedness guy, we have a plan for this. what does a plan for a u.s. response look like should this become worse? >> there are a few things we're doing immediately. as soon as we knew there were new cases reported first in the uk a few weeks ago, we already mobilized our colleagues at the departments and agencies. the cdc, department of health and human services to secure vaccines and treatments. that's number one. number two, we're working with state and local actors. i was just in touch with the doctors at the hospital in boston this weekend to ensure that they have the testing capability available and also that they have the guidance of how to use the vaccine for those
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providers a at the highest risk. i'm happy to report that as of yesterday, they already have the vaccine available and are offering it to the health care providers exposed to the first patient. that's what we have to do. it's science-based to stop and end this outbreak. we have to find those infected, ensure they get isolated and have the treatment and care that they need and then ensure that those exposed get the vaccine thas need. if we do that again and again, that's what makes possible ending this outbreak. that's what's worked before. we had an outbreak in 2003 and the same approach of ensuring we're identifying and supporting patients this were tracing their contacts and listing those exposed and making sure we're monitoring them, that's what brought the 2003 outbreak under control. >> this is effectively the smallpox vaccine that we use. is there any reason to think that for younger folks who weren't vaccinated against smallpox this could be more serious, older folks less so.
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talk to me about the troelgs smallpox here and what people should know about that. >> yeah, so think of monkeypox in the same family of viruses as smallpox. but a much less severe type of disease. so smallpox had a higher mortality rate. this disease has a death rate of less than 1%. that's in countries with weaker health systems. i worked in liberia and we didn't have access to vccines. we have access to treatments here. that makes the risk substantially lower. the vaccine you mentioned is one type of vaccine that's available for dealing with mokeypox. there's also a vaccine that's been licensed for both smallpox and monkeypox. and that is quite effective, especially when given within four doifs an exposure to a patient. >> i would be remissed not to ask you about covid while you have you horro here. i'm curious it you worry about
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the science, the dus trust that some people have during the medical community. if it make it is harder for you as you're trying to keep battling with covid, while with the other hand potentially worried about this other disease as well. >> on the one hand, it's made people more aware of infectious diseases. even the conversation we're having now is about how the virus transmits. who can get more sick, how many deaths, so the public is aware. with that awareness comes anxiety and fear. i think the approach of this administration is science based and transparency based. we have already, as i mentioned, started to work with local, state, and international health officials to make sure vaccines and treatments are available to patients. that we have testing available. the cdc put out an alert to all doctors in the country to ensure that we're finding cases and reporting them. we're working with international partners to figure out the
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source of this outbreak. and so we can try to stop it. we will continue to remain engaged transparently with the public, and if you're worried about this and you are afraid you have symptoms, reach out to your providers. we have solutions for this. this is not like covid where it took some time before we had countermeasures, vaccines and treatments. we have that now for this disease. >> great. thank you for coming on and sharing your expertise with us. >> thank you for having me. coming up, the white house battles the fallout from another pandemic-related issue. the federal judge blocks the president from lifting migrant restrictions at the border. what does president biden do next? you're watching "mtp daily." you're watching "mtp daily." ions to provide flexible pay options and greater workforce visibility today, so you can have more success tomorrow. ♪ one thing leads to another, yeah, yeah ♪ your mission: stand up to moderate to severe
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a judge ruled friday that the biden administration cannot lift title 42.
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the border policy that ended the sablt for migrants to seek asylum in the u.s. the biden administration released a statement opposing the decision announcing that the justice department would be appealing the ruling and arguing that the power to create public health policy should lie with the cdc, not a district court. it would stick to plans to ramp up efforts for title 42 at some point in the future. >> this court i object junction seems to block any efforts for now. what's your overall reaction to friday's decision now that you have had time go through it? >> reporter: first of all, let's back up and cover why this policy went into place. steven miller, trump's senior adviser, used multiple attempts to use it in the first years of
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the administration. covid gay him the opportunity so the cdc did make the decision that there was a public health destination to put it in place. there was a public health authority is not an immigration authority. so what the decision means is that there's a national injunction and likely title 2 is going to have to be in place until next year. so that means that people cannot ask for protection. they can't ask for aidentity lumbar. but it also means that it's probably going to encourage more people to come to the bortder. republicans are pretending this is a great border measure, but what it has done is increased the number of people at the border ever since trump put it in place because what is happening is that people are making multiple attempts to cross the border. 1 out of 3 people has tried to cross the boarder one or more times. the reason is because title 42 suspends immigration law, there are no consequences for crossing the border unlawfully.
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>> so if we're stuck with this potentially for another year or however long this course process takes, what should the biden administration try to do next year? they seem to be seeking that middle ground of opening up the asylum program but can't get rid of this. how do they navigate this? >> reporter: so in the first two weeks, president biden issues an executive order that laid out his vision and so what they will do is continue to work ensuring they can process people at the border. there's a new officer rule, which will mean claims can be processed in a year instead of four years. there's still some people who can apply for asylum. even under trump 50% were processed and the remainder were processed under immigration law. some applied for asylum. some were removed. and then there's the regional work. we have the summit of the americas and the administration is going a lot of work to ask other countries in the western hemisphere to not only enforce
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their borders, but to crete more legal migration and beef up their own systems. >> has congress dropped the ball here? it's not the president's job. it's members of congress. >> reporter: absolutely. if republicans want to have a debate about immigration, go for it, but i have been through the 2006, 2007, 2013, the dream act, they have no interest in legislating on immigration. president biden says a bill that included border security, a path to citizenship, funding for the western hemisphere and he stood up in front of congress and said i like my bill. but i'm happy to listen to anyone. i will work with anyone. come talk to me. did republicans do that, they did not. congress has to fix this. immigration law has not been updates in 30 years. that means there are very few legal ways for people to come.
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besides asylum, which has to be restored. a the lot of people are coming because of the covid economy pushing them north. there are certain industries that need workers and there's no legal way for them to come to take those jobs. >> our scale of what our big numbers for government spending has changed a lot in the covid era, but dhs said they would need $2 billion to cope with lifting title 42 in the expected influx of migrants that would come. what does it say about the scale of the problem that needs to be solved? >> reporter: first of all, you point out something, which is that we spend more on immigration enforcement than most other federal law enforcement combined. so we are spending an incredible amount on immigration. so i know in the senate, democrats are thinking about a border supplemental. so rather than this nonsense of this sinema bill, which is moot because the courts suspended any ability to lift title 42, they should focus on a border
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supplemental. so there's enough resources, processing centers, they have technology. they are able to surge people to the border. so that's what's needed. if republicans are complaining about not having a plan and no order, we'll give them the resources they need. >> i'm imagining part of my summer covering a combined supplemental. we can see it. thank you so much. still ahead, ukraine lays down a hard line in negotiations as the pentagon weighs sending military forces to guard the embassy in kyiv. i'll speak with the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, next 37 you're watching "mtp daily." ado7 you're watching "mtp daily." three times the electorlytes and half the sugar. ♪♪ pedialyte powder packs. feel better fast. bipolar depression. it made me feel trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real
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on her green investments with merrill. a-plus. still got it. (whistle blows) your money never stops working for you with merrill, a bank of america company. welcome back. in the last hour defense secretary lloyd austin announced that president zelenskyy announced the devastating toll this war is taking on his people. the governor of the luhansk accused them of using scorched earth tactics and they may deploy special forces to protect kyiv. that planning is still very early and not under active
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consideration. in a ukrainian television over the weekend, a key find zelenskyy denied that russia return everything seized in this war and issued a blunt warning. i'm joined now by bill taylor, who evidence is as u.s. ambassador to ukraine during the george w. bush administration and he's the vice president of russia and europe at the u.s. institute of peace. ambassador taylor, thank you as always for coming on. what do you make of zelenskyy taking this message to the world economic forum and do you agree with his assessment that it's got to be victory without territorial concessions to get through this? >> president zelenskyy is reflecting the strong view. ukrainian people, that they should not have to compromise,
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should not have to give up claim to their sovereign territory because they were invaded by the russians. they are not willing to make that trade. they're not willing to give the russians that kind of a compromise. so, yes, he's indicating that they will wait. they're not going to go for a cease-fire that would basically give the russians the ability to stay there. so, yes, he's got a strong position. >> we talked about this before but it's so clear that the strategy even globally has moved from help ukraine not lose to ukraine has to win to do something like that. the other thing is that he talked about the prospect of maximum sanctions on russia. i asked speaker pelosi and mitch mcconnell who both recently came back from kyiv and they've been kind ofcoy about it.
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>> the big thing we know is it's the european purchases of oil and gas from the russians, that's what's now funding the war machine frankly. that's what's providing putin with the ability to keep this war going. he's got big problems. he's got to find additional weapons, he's got to find additional ammunition. he's got -- the big problem, he's got to find additional troops. for all of those things he needs funds. right now the big source of funds is coming from the sale of oil and gas to the europeans. >> it's going to be the hard thing to get allies to change that prospect. that's been the most challenging thing diplomatically from the word go here. what do you make of you have a russian diplomat coming out publicly saying he can't work on this war anymore. does that indicate that putin
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might be losing more support within or is this likely to be more than what one-off? >> it's more than a one-off. we've seen that resignation. we saw last week on a widely viewed tv show a commenter, commentator, who has been a pretty hard core person saying we can't win this war. we russians -- he's russian. he was saying this on russian tv apparently with the state approval because they control all the tv and he was saying we can't win. we're not winning. we are isolated. we're isolated from the world. he might have been arguing for an escalation but he was clearly making the case that the russians are not winning this war right now. >> what do you make of the war crimes trial that we just saw in ukraine, this conviction now of a russian soldier? how symbolic is that? what kind of message does that send globally to see trials like that going on while this war is
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still going on? >> it sends a global message, you're right, but it also sends a message to the russian soldiers and russian commanders. this demonstrates to them that they're responsible, they're going to be held responsible for the war crimes, for the atrocity, for the murders that they are perpetrating against ukrainians and for this soldier to plead guilty apparently not under duress and a lot of evidence against this soldier. it was very clear and they found this soldier guilty and they put him in jail for life. that message is going to other russian soldiers. that message is going to the russian chain of command, that the orders to kill ukrainians, civilians, will be prosecuted. that's a strong message. >> i don't want to ask you to skate too far out of your line but i'm curious of what you make
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of president biden offering a stronger type of action, the white house is trying to clarify his remarks. i wonder what you make of that generally and strategic ambiguity about what we would do there and how those two issues relate between ukraine and taiwan? >> they do relate. of course they relate. and president xi of china is undoubtedly watching very closely what's going on in ukraine and how ukrainians are fighting effectively against the russians and president xi notices these sanctions could apply to him. but the u.s. engagement, the nato engagement on the military side has been very strong. in terms. weapons flow that are going into the ukrainians, president xi has to be worried about that as well and president biden just made that worry for president xi a little bit clearer.
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>> very interesting stuff. ambassador bill taylor, thank you as always for sharing your expertise with us. >> glad to be here. >> and thank you all for being with us for the hour. chuck will be back with us. msnbc coverage continues with katy tur after the break. nues w katy tur after the break sometimes, i'm all business. a serious chair for a serious business woman! i'm always a mom- that is why you are smart and chose the durable fabric. perfect. i'm not a chef- and, don't mind if i do. but thanks to wayfair, i do love my kitchen. yes! ♪ wayfair you got just what i need. ♪ this... is the planning effect. this is how it feels to have a dedicated fidelity advisor looking at your full financial picture. this is what it's like to have a comprehensive wealth plan with tax-smart investing strategies designed to help you keep more of what you earn.
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