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friday, well, right now i can't speak to that, but please come back any time any way. thanks for spending time with us here on "the beat with ari." you can always find me on social media @ari melber and keep it locked right here because as i mentioned "the reidout" has a very special guest live from georgia starting now. a ♪♪ very special guest live from good evening, everyone. we are live tonight from liberty plaza in atlanta near the state capitol on the eve of georgia's primary election. now there are several major races that we're keeping a close eye on and, of course, georgia was ground zero for the disgraced former president's scheme to steal the 2020 election. tomorrow voters will determine if republican attempts to steal the next presidential election will be stopped. polls indicate that the race for governor will likely be a rematch of 2018 between
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incumbent republican brian kemp and democrat staibians who lost by the tiniest of margins and is running unopposed in the primary. from what we've seen so far in the political ads, stacey abrams is the star of the show, all the republican candidates, no matter what office they are running for are talking about you. >> how dare you, stacey abrams atapping butch miller for writing a law against transgender boys competing in boys sports. >> chris carr, georgia's conservative attorney general, he's taken on president biden and stacey abrams. >> stacey abrams and the liberal mob forced the all-star game to move. >> stacey abrams and the media, they all came after us. we've got to keep stacey abrams from becoming our governor and our next president. >> wow, it will be up to the next governor to stand up to the big lie, and there are plenty of republicans pushing that farce,
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including in the races for senate and secretary of state. in the race for the republican nomination for governor former senator david perdue is looking for vengeance for his 2020 senate defeat blaming his opponent governor kemp for allowing democrats to, quote, steal the election. today perdue said he wouldn't necessarily accept the results if he loses tomorrow's primary. >> are you going to accept the results of this election? >> well, it depends if there's fraud or not. i'm going to support the winner because my number one objective is make sure that stacey abrams is never governor of georgia. >> the former president's big lie in georgia has led georgians to become ground zero with the jim crow 2.0 voting law put in place last year by republicans using a baseless assertion of fraud and republicans with the help of some in the political press are now use the huge turnout in the primary so far to push a new big lie, that the record turnout which is mainly from republican primary voters means that georgia suppressive
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voting law isn't suppressive at all, despite the fact that the voters it was meant to hurt are not voting in contested primaries. joining me now is stacey abrams, democratic candidate for governor. thanks so much for being here. i have to start with that. i feel like a narrative is sort of congealing among the political press, that comes from republicans and it's settling in even amongst folks in my profession, because lots of people turned out, 757,000 so far and counting that means there's no georgia suppression and i note, as did i in the intro, it's largely, you know, substantially more republicans. they are not the ones who have long lines. they get to breeze right through. they are not the ones who have suppression and this is in-person investigate. this isn't mail-in. what do you take and make of this new narrative? >> well, i think the most important piece is to winnow it down to this. the equivalent of saying that more people investigate means there's no suppression is like
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telling people that if you get in the water there are no sharks. if more people get in the sharks, there are fewer sharks. there's no correlation there. voter suppression is about blocking or impeding certain types of voters from participating in the election and right now republicans have the most competitive elections, but what we also don't know is what is the mail-in ballot rejection rate? what are the difficulties people are having and we do have very real examples of what this law precipitated. spaulding county stopped their sunday voting. we know that across the state the change in state election boards have changed how people engage. we know that people who would have voted by mail are having a difficult time doing so because of the wet signature requirement that you have to print it out, sign it and then take a picture and upload it and send it back as opposed to being able to simply fill it out and send the absentee ballot request and send your ballot in so what's happening is people are looking at one metric and trying to
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extrapolate an entire narrative, and the narrative is very clear. voter suppression is not about stopping voting. it's about impieding certain voters from participating, and those voters, as you pointed out, run likely to be highly active in a primary, but that said, we do know that we are seeing outrage driving voters of color to the polls, and that's the other thing that we used to say. i've said constantly. the antidote to voter suppression is voter turnout. they are going to try to make it hard so the more us who show up, we overwhelm the system with our presence, but to let them off of the hook. >> yeah. >> for what they have done simply because they didn't do it as well as they thought is i think nonsensical. >> and also because the law they put in helped more of their voters turn out. that doesn't say there's no voters against other voters. it helped their voters. anyway, let's move on. you're taking a lot of heat from everybody. when i get to these states, i always watch local tv because i want to see what's on local tv.
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it's all political ad, and tea amazing to me all the ads, even if they are running for dog catching. that stacey abrams, i'm going to fight her from the dog fighting spot. you've been getting a lot of heat, particularly brian kemp about something that you said and let me just play it. this is something that you said at a gwyneth county democratic gala. >> i'm tired about hearing being the best state in the country to do business when we're the worst state in the country to live. now somebody is going to try to politifact me on this so let me contexturalize. when you're number 48 for mental health and number one for maternal mortality, when you have an incarceration rate that on the rise and wages on the decline you're not the number one place to live. >> i mean, where's the lie? why do you suppose that's caused so much controversy? >> i think it was inartfully
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delivered. my point was a point that i've made many times, and my passion in making this point is important because we're listening to brian kemp give -- give a narrative about a record that does not reflect reality. the more i go around a the state, the more i talk to people who are deeply in pain who are concerned about the fact that just, you know, recently, he has declined pandemic s.n.a.p. relief for 1.6 million family, families struggling to find a way to take care of themselves and children and to try to find baby formula. he's said no to $120 million for those families. he struck $4 million from the state budget for hiv and aid protection. these are communities where we are number one in the nation in hiv diagnosis seize, so my point is well-intended is that for so many georgians this is not the number one place to be, but we have the capacity for greatness, and if people didn't splice the
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pieces they like and actually listen to my entire narrative, my point is i want more for georgia. i believe in our greatness. i moved here for the first time because my parents brought me and i came back the second time because this is where i want to live. i think there's a phrase in the black church cha i love, charge it to my head and not my heart. my heart is in georgia, and there may have been a phrasing that i could have done better, but my intention and the reality is true, and that is brian kemp doesn't care about certain communities in this state, and he has proven it by creating a criminal carry law, letting people who have been convicted of felonies, who have been convicted of domestic abuse carry concealed weapons, load concealed weapons with no permit at the same time that georgia is number nine for gun violence. we know that his behavior towards women, he is willing to eliminate abortion rights in a state that's number one for maternal mortality, and we mow that the decisions he's make will go hurt and kill women, especially black women in this state, and so for meet issue is
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this. you can either listen to him fight about my rhetoric or we can ask him about his record, and brian kemp's record is a failed record of leadership and it's time for him to retire. >> we did invite brian kemp on. we tried to get some republicans on. he declined and did not get a yes so he did have an opportunity to say what he need to say. it's not just him. you've got david perdue that's also out there, too. the way he put, it because he also did try, to you know, talk about the fact -- i don't think it matters where you're born. i know lots of new yorkers who live down here. i have cousins and they are originally from gian yeah, they are here, but perdue tried to go at you -- let me just play you. this is david perdue. this is the other guy that's running for governor. >> did y'all see what stacey said this weekend? says that georgia is the worst place in the country to live. hey, she ain't from here. let her go back to where she came from if she doesn't like it here. the only thing she wants is to be president of the united states. she doesn't care about the
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people of georgia, that's clear. when we saw in '18 what she did and how we're going have a blue wave and how we're going to do it with documented and undocumented workers. when she took black farmers you don't need to be on the farm and told black workers in hospitality and all think don't need to be -- she is demeaning her own race when it comes to that. i am really over this. she should never be considered for material of any state, much less our state where she hates to live. >> i find it very hard to believe that david perdue is the great advocate for black people in georgia, but he's gone back to some 1950s phraseology about demeaning your race. your thoughts? >> i think that regardless of which republican it is, i have yet to hear them articulate a plan for the future of georgia. i have yet to hear them talk about why they will not expand medicaid and provide coverage to half had a million georgians. just across the street at the capitol they passed a mental
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health parity law that will create parity in health insurance to get you mental help. the problem is 1.5 million georgians don't have health insurance. we're number two in the nation for the uninshowered which means the peter among us in the most desperate need of help are still being followed by this governor and the republican party we will not help you. you don't deserve our support. i will stand on my record and i will stand on my work and i will stand in the space where i have lived -- i've been back for more than 20 years, and what i will tell you is that i love georgia. i've been to every single county in the state and what i hear from person after person after person is they just want a chance to thrive, and i challenge every republican to stop focusing on the little bit of rhetoric and actually show me in your record where you are serving black farmers instead of suing to make certain they can't have access to the resources that they have been begging for more 40 years. show me where are you showing up in communities that are grappling with not only gun violence but with hunger and you're solving that problem.
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tell me how you're going to make certain that families that need rental assistance will get it because brian kemp has kept millions of dollars out of hand of families in the middle of the pandemic. he has been willing to help companies but never help their workers, than to me is the record we should be talking about. i can apologize all day for my phrasing, but i will never apologize for my meaning, and that is with we mean to serve of the people of georgia and we mean to make georgia better for everyone, and i want to lift everyone up. >> i do like atlanta. it's a great city, but it feels like a lot of the republican rhetoric, not just here in a lot of states is speaking to one georgia, you know. kemp and perdue. there's one georgia they are speaking to and it doesn't look like us, and it feels exclusionary, that like we're happy with what we have. nobody who is -- who doesn't have money, no one who isn't with they, no one who isn't right is part of their georgia, it's just me as someone who is visiting here. that what troubles me. >> the challenge is even
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broader. they don't care about rural georgians. they have allowed three hospitals to close down during the pandemic. i met a nurse whose aunt perished because the ambulance to save her life was going to have to take her to alabama because brian kemp was too mean and too cruel to expand medicaid. i've talked to white families who are desperate to be able to afford a place to live, and it's not just atlanta, it's augusta, it's savannah and macon and albany and across the street where they can't afford to live if they are making minimum wage or just above that. they don't care about people already flourishing. if you've got enough they will help you get more but if you need access if you need support, if you need a hand, they will slap your hand away, and that's the problem in georgia, that we have leaders who like to claim credit but refuse to take responsibility. i will take responsibility for who i am and for what i do, and i want to be the governor who takes responsibility for lifting the state up to the greatness that we deserve. >> and i met you in 2014 when
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you were first starting out registering voters which is my thing. it's the thing i care about the most is investigate and getting people registered and i remember the whole cycle of you register brian kemp, brian kemp kept knocking them off. are enough young voters, college students, voters of color going to be able to vote in november to have their say and to attempt to -- to get who they want as governor? >> i believe we can. if you look at the numbers, yes, republicans are outperforming democrats in the primaries. as you pointed out they have hypercompetitive primaries. they are spending millions of dollars beating each other up, and, you know, calling me everything but a child of god, but what we also have seen is dramatic increases in democratic turnout, especially among communities that four years ago weren't voting because they didn't believe it was possible. what we have shown since 2018 and certainly with 2020 and 2021
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that it is worst investing, it is worth believing, and we're going to work hard to make sure that every person who wants to cast a ballot can register, stay on the rolls, cast that ballot and have the ballot count asked. i've worked for the last four year, haven't been in office, i've been building organizations to help people across the state, paying off medical debts and making sure that their votes count in this election, and despite what republicans are willing to do to win, what i am willing to do is make sure that every voice is counted, every vote gets cast and even if they don't vote for me i'm going to fight to make sure that democracy works in georgia because that's what leadership looks like. >> stacey abrams, thanks so much for spending some time in beautiful, beautiful atlanta. got a good day. thought it was going to rain. maybe you helped bring back the sun. thank you very much. i don't have to wish you good luck because you're going to be the nominee. >> thanks very much, joy. >> thank you very much. all right. coming up next on "the reidout," prosecutors here in georgia are using young rap lyrics to make
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the case against them. what about trump? he's on trump trying to subvert the will of georgia voters and this is the first time we're seating impact of georgia's new restrictive voting laws and it's a preview of how bad things could get this fall and the republican race between kemp and perdue has turned into a proxy war between trump and mike pence and sure looks bad for trump. "the reidout" continues lieu of from atlanta, georgia, when we continue. f from aantlta, georgia, when we continue ck by sir mix-a-lot ♪ unlimited cashback match... only from discover. if you've been living with heart disease, reducing cholesterol can be hard, even when you're taking a statin and being active.
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needed to win. raffensperger refused. tomorrow georgia voters will decide if he gets nominated for another term. running against him is a congressman jody hice who lies about the 2020 election. trump is looking for all the help he can get in the state because fulton county district attorney willis and her team are investigate his infamous phone call with raffensperger as well as the reference senator lindsey graham made to raffensperger on trump's behalf. a special grand jury is set to meet next month but trump should be worried. willis just indicted young thug and guna and over two dozen of their alleged gang associates on a georgia state rico charge and an element is young thugs' lyrics brag begun their crimes. in a letter to top ranking state officials last month willis acknowledged she was looking into a similar racketeering charge for the ex-president and
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clearly she would be able to use his bars in that call. joining me now is michael moore from the middle district of georgia who is now a partner with the moore hall law firm and just found out that some good friends of mine from georgia are friends of yours. i'm about to text them afterwards. thanks for being here. >> glad to be with you. >> i've been following the young thugs, watching a lot of news and the young thugs is all over the news. what's interesting and odd about the case is his lyrics are being used against him. his own words. >> right. >> normally you rap about things you did in the past. you don't say this is what i'm doing right now. >> sure. >> but it feels like at least that's what willis is alleging that he did. in the case of donald trump that is the same thing. without the beat under it he literally called up and said let me commit this crime. let me tell you what i'm doing. do you see that kind of convergence. >> i think it's interesting she's using the rico statute.
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she could have taken a very rifle shot approach at the case and used the tape. >> yeah. >> and i think we'd be far further down the road now and maybe through with some of the appeals that are naturally going to result from this. on the other hand, you take the rico case, she's spreading out the net a little further. >> yeah. >> it's unusual to see it in this type of case because really the uniqueness about it is the key figure was the president. if you take the fact that he was an elected official and said he was a candidate, you might not be having the same type of discussion because he was sort of the head of the organization to move things and pieces. >> and the thing that's interesting, too, the senator, too, he said, all i want you to do is find 1,720 votes which is one more than we need because we won the state and then, you know, he goes it's not fair to take us away like this and it's going to be kind of costly. you need to re-examine it because these are crimes so there is a threat involved. a specific request for what he needed to win and then you have
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senator graham also kag secretary raffensperger. is that sufficient to form a ri co case. >> >> i think the graham call was almost worse because he was not a candidate in that particular election so he's trying to meddle in something that he's not an interesting and he's calling a buddy saying can you do something about it. and when you take trump and take the idea he's not a candidate, the strongest part of our case because he can threaten the prosecution or something else going on but it might be a weak link in the case because it may give them a reap to ask that the case be removed to the federal court because if he's acting as a federal official, there will be motions back and force to try to move the case so the linchpin of the case may also, you know, become something of a weakness she has to battle through the appellate case. this is on the young thug case. this is what she's been saying in the media. >> it does not matter what your
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notoriety is, if your fame is. if you come to fulton county georgia and you commit crimes and certainly that's are going to be a target and to beus of this district attorney's office and we're going to prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law. >> i have to ask you just as a attorney. >> is it more -- does it trouble you on first mmdment groups that someone's lyrics,ness -- can be used to form a criminal case or do you think there's something that's different? >> i think it is something that can be used to point a bill picture. if she's telling a story and she why the witnesses and flips the witnesses to take about what's
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going on in the street game, and they calk about it. it's in -- that gives knee a little bit the. they didn't do anything. but in this case you're saying he did. so great to have you here. >> michael j. moore, the other -- still ahead, tomorrow's georgia primary will be the first making case as well as new 2020 districting. we'll be back with more on the candidates. we'll be right back. cand ♪♪idates ♪♪idates we'l
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♪♪ we have spent a faye bit of time talking about tomorrow and which way the dust will settle within the republican prime risk but the race is also a test for the state's democrats, some of whom are finding themselves in new competitive district and the result of tomorrow's elections will run headlong into the state's restrictive voting law come november. joining us now is representative nikema williams, and latasha brown, co-founder of the black
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matters vote. that shot is -- it's interesting that you now have in this state that are running even other who nominally -- who were two solid democratic congresswoman new competing with each other because of redistricting. >> it's unfortunate but those are the stakes that we're get with the redistricting and gerrymandering in the show. we know that we showed the country that georgia is a 50-50 state and when it came to redistricting republicans were hell bent making sure they redrew the lines so that democrats could not have a say. what they did is jigy, they made
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the -- and made it a competitive district after she won decisively in 2020. here we are, the hand that we've been deshlgt and we refuse to allow the republicans to tell us which members of congress we're going to send back and now these two great democratic women are running against each other in tomorrow's primary. >> it's interesting because just watching their ads, it's forcing democratic base voters to choose between abortion rights and -- like, their ads are very different. they are both very compel, but i didn't even realize until we came into the meeting, watching all these adds saying these are two great candidates so i wonder if that complicates it the more. adding to that we still have a restrictive voting law. stacey abrams says you can cover it all up and say it's not happening but that's not the republicans voting. >> we're seeing that all across the board. at the end of the day it's like making the argument is since
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people escaped from slavery. what we're seeing is doubt numbers, low numbers when it comes to voting absentee, ballot boxes, all of those voting tools that people have access, that may or may not work a traditional 9:00 to 5:00 job and they have access to being able to vote during the regular voting hours. we're seeing the impact, feeling the impact and we're doing the work and just because the newspaper are coming up, i mean, that's reflective of people being determined and upset about what's happening, right? >> right. >> and we're expending resources, time and injury to offset that racist law to punish black voters for participating in the election. >> we shouldn't have to organize our way out of voter suppression. we'll do what it takes to make sure that our people have a voice in this electoral proses. >> there's an interesting race.
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i don't want to talk about marjorie greene, but she has an interesting -- there's a black band running. >> it is so interesting -- he erunning these interesting adds. what's happening in your distribute and i want both of you guys to comment on this, is that there are at least two majority black towns because of redistricting f.marjorie taylor greene would win re-election she would be representing a substantial number of african-americans. that to me sounds terrifying. >> which is unfortunate, and the voters in that distruckers in the cobb county part of that district which used to be in david scott's lucy mcbeth, they showed up at state hearings at the capital, wanted to keep their community together. like, this is a district that
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touches my district right mere this atlanta, joy, and it sprawls all the way up to the tennessee-georgia line. these aren't communities of interest. this is republican gerrymandering at its best where they have designed the state to make sure they can control how many republican districts are in the state representing congress. >> it seals like, they have designed a voting law. >> and then they have designed these districts to make the powder and shove of it under sun like marjorie taylor greene who has no idea at all. how do you motivate voters when they are facing all of that? >> even to say how egregious it is when you look at the last census, 100% of the population were people of color. whether they packed districts, put districts, put communities of color together or they cracked them where they would split them up like what we're
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seeing in this case, they whether able to do that and actually come out of a map where they actually have more representation although the higher percent am of group have been communities of color and what we have to do and know this in the state of georgia, that's why it's so important. we've got to take over the state of georgia from the top of the ticket on down. >> yeah. >> because we cannot continue to be punished because people participate. we see that they have just been stealing, they are literally creating a process so that they can steal the election. >> i'll ask boast of you to comment on this. what happens is when people vote, if you don't control the state mechanisms and republicans are pretty good of not letting that happen. it's a vicious cycle. >> that's right. >> there are local levels on the ballot right now. every ledge slamtive seat.
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those are on the wohl right know so we have to encourage our voters to turn out to vote for those leaders so we can change the face of power and vote for our candidate for governor and the secretary of state. >> how do you communicate that voters who say i voted already and didn't get anything? >> when we talk to voters, we talk to them about participating in the process. this is more about participation. this is really about power. >> yes. >> how do we build power, and when do you have enough power? right. have you enough power when your communities are taken care of and when your schools are adequately fund and when you have access to health care. we don't currently have, that and until we actually have the kind of resources and reputation that we deserve in our communities we've got to continue to fight and when we talk to our voters and talking to people on the ground that's what we're talking to them about. we're at this turning point in the state of georgia where there
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is a new location, multi-racial. >> absolutely. >> the republicans voted for 20 years to get rid of roe. they said we'll keep voting for 50 votes and we'll go up and down until we get rid of roe. how do we make sure that young voters and voters of color get what they want? >> you want to get what you want. >> joy, i sit on the seat held by congressman john lewis and this is a fight of a lifetime. until we get the mother that we need to represent our communities because it's not just. >> it's to get what you need. >> congress him, please text me with the color next time. up next, signs that some
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kemp who refused to overturn the election in 2020 against former senator david perdue who trump personally lobbied to run against kemp and perdue is trailing kemp by more than 30 points. perdue's impending downfall looms as the biggest electoral setback for trump since his own defeat in the 20 to election. perhaps no contest in which the former president has done more to try to influence the outcome. it's proof that running on trump's name and the big lie alone does not guarantee republican support. kemp's likely victory tomorrow is at least partially thank to the republican governor's association which as twaesht reports responded to trump's vendetta tour against republicans like kemp by deciding to spend millions of dollars in primary, an unusual step for an organization that typically reserves its cash for matchups against democrats. the rga invested $5 million in the race while perdue has struggled to raise funds to compete and as the post notes,
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the parade of republican governors and luminaries have lined up to protect kemp while strikingly trump's former vice president mike pence. pence has been distancing himself from his former boss for months saying trump was wrong for thinking that pence could overturn the election. tonight he's making his biggest public break from his dear leader campaigning for kemp on the same night that trump is holding a telerally for perdue. let's just be clear. he's not doing this soully out of concern for the future of the republican party. more live after the break from atlanta. more live after the break from atlanta. you can get every other month. cabenuva helps keep me undetectable. it's two injections, given by a healthcare provider every other month. it's one less thing to think about while traveling. hiv pills aren't on my mind. a quick change in my plans is no big deal. don't receive cabenuva if you're allergic to its ingredients or taking certain medicines,
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just wrapped up his campaign in support of georgia governor, brian kemp. but it's also clear that pence is setting the stage for a presidential one of his own in 2024, possibly going head to head with the president he treated with other devotion right up until the moment the ball sent a violent mob to the capitol, to threaten and maybe hang him. as the new york times points out, it's an emphatic break between the one-time running, who has not spoken for nearly a year, but also not publicly waged a proxy war until no. pence's aides say, knows full well, the going down to georgia, he knows what that represents. joining me now, professor of journalism and politics at morgan state university. and political reporter for the constitution who is in georgia, the location of tonight's camp rally. i want to start with you on this. we've got a little bit of sound
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for, of pence, doing his campaign for brian kemp. let's play that quickly. >> tomorrow's primary election comes down to this. who is best positioned to defeat stacey abrams and the national democrats that will descend on georgia in this false election? well, you know the answer. brian kemp beat stacey abrams four years ago and with your support brian kemp will do it all again in november 2022! [applause] >> greg what was the energy? we can hear the cheers which was the energy for pence? because we know a lot of republicans wanted to hang mike pence? >> yeah, hundreds of republicans here, mostly mainstream republicans, who had endorsed brian kemp who supported him. a lot of 2018 campaign was not
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an overwhelming crowd, but really a crowd that you would see at many of brian kemp's events, just a closing rally. and the message you heard from vice president pence was kind of a summation of the entire message he had his rally, which was that governor kemp would be more electable than david perdue. he did not once mention donald trump. >> you know what's interesting, jason, when i tell you every and here is about stacey abrams she's pretty much -- i mean she's the whole thing. >> when you have that kind of brand and you major yourself into that part of georgia they can't escape it. they can't turn her into a monster either, so not surprised. cam says that he wants his rematch, but you also have no choice about that. exactly. and i think abrams in particular -- look, i was talking to some activists and organizers from the state, and there is a massive early turnout. they're saying three times as many people who turned out in 2018. 150 or what they saw in 2020, despite the voter suppression being put forward by raffensperger, by the current governor. i wouldn't say they're scared
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yet, but if you're bringing down somebody like mike pence, it's because basically, kemp knows i've gotta get these mainstream republicans because he may lose democrat, once he comes out in the fall. >> and that is the question, greg. is whether or not the magic route who hate cam, because he didn't overthrow the election, will be strong enough voters for him? purdue says he might not even accept the results of the election. so how does the republican party organized for kemp, because the other side is gonna be 100% organized for stacey abrams? >> jason is exactly right. i mean, the biggest fear for governor kemp right now is that a portion of that mcleod never comes back, never comes back into the fall. and he's using stacey evans as a sort of arch villain, who can galvanize republicans, whether pro trump republicans or more moderate republicans, all channeling their fury to the ballot box. and he once he has not let up one so -- even with a poll showing him what about the 50% mark brian kemp once to win close the door
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shut, nail the coffin shot on david perdue's political career tomorrow. >> well, also doesn't want to run off? >> we know how that's gonna go. purdue says, i'm gonna run as an independent. he keeps pounding all the way through the fall. this is a very precarious time, obviously for the sake republican party. they could blow this. they could blow this on a lot of levels. and they're just running against stacey abrams. they're running basically against stacey abrams and raphael warnock, extremely popular people. and they still have the herschel walker they're gonna have to deal with. brian kemp we want to run with him. this may not be as easy for republicans as it was in 2018. >> look, the maga thing, it's a very very registered. but it's not gonna be a not interesting grace. i mean, you're gonna have a black constituents that are gonna be stuck in that district with marjorie greene, and they got this guy who actually is appealing, he's not running an ideological campaign. he's not a far left wing candidate. it's like a military veteran with his blake black biography.
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so does feel like republicans are setting up in georgia for not a cakewalk. >> no, and they have that done this to themselves. the voter suppression has resulted in people being more angry more galvanized more committed to the voting process, and that doesn't mean that the voter suppression is gun affect people. it just means that it's got people more mad -- it's made them mad. and here's the thing going into the fall. you have two relatively popular candidates. nobody can say anything neat about warnock. nobody can say anything neat about stacey abrams who was, the federation, you know star trek. these are people who have kept themselves connected to the state. they haven't gotten brand-new. they haven't gone on hollywood, and it's gonna be important for republicans. >> come november who has more poll here? pence or trump? i mean the spence actually have any kind of -- does he have a fan base? if trump decides that he hates camp so much, that he'd rather see him lose, to punish him, could pence help at all in november? >> i think this is more important for pence than it is for trump. trump is still by far the most
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popular republican figure in georgia. and he'll continue. he's not gonna wake up on wednesday, and suddenly decide that he likes brian kemp after more than a year of disparity with him. so brian kemp is worried about the trump effect. but the thing he might have going in his favor and i think that i hear from democratic strategists, they worry about, is that in contrast, in comparison, david perdue, brian kemp who's a first lifelong republican governor in georgia history, very conservative, seems a little bit more mainstream. so you could try to use that to kick off some more level of the road voters, by comparison to david perdue. >> let's talk about about national politics here. there's a couple of things that have gone on, jason. you've got the wrong desantis surge among base republicans. so wisconsin, beating all trump. so you like trump but you want somebody like trump without a sense of humor. and it's an open fascist, rather than a funny one. you've got that happening. you've also have this statistic which is terrifying. 357 sitting republican
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legislators are closely, in closely contested batted have used the power of their office, to discredit or try to overturn the 2020 election. that accounts for 44%, four in ten, republican legislators and nine states have tried to actually overturn the election. how does that wind up, affecting november? >> you see it in every single state. it has been a cliché, my whole life, your whole life. we've all heard, this is the most important -- but no, the left has been the most important elections in life. you've got people, secretaries of state running in georgia. you've got the raffensperger challenge. if whether publican gubernatorial candidate in pennsylvania. you have republicans now are running, explicitly, to overturn any election that does not elect a republican in 2024. and you and i both know, you have people wanted to pass, i'm gonna bring this state. that's not what these guys are saying. they're saying i don't know where the vote is. pennsylvania's gonna go to the republican in 2024. i don't care where the voters. i'm gonna find those 11,000 votes that donald trump was asking for. so that is the danger that you
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are facing nationally this year, why people are still facing voter suppression by some of these legislators. >> great. so the question is just the tea leaves around camp and raffensperger, if given the order to do it, and to do it again, in 2024, flip the election, do either of them say no? >> i would wager, yes. they would say no. because look they'd be in their second terms. camp wouldn't be able to run again, if he runs, right. so there be freer. and certainly, he owes no favors to donald trump. raffensperger might be the most fascinating politician in the cycle in georgia, because a year ago, people including, me, kind thought of thought that he wasn't qualified. and now, is looking like he's headed at least toward a runoff against jody hice, the congressman was backed by trump. this guy is a pariah, raffensperger, among republicans. and now, he's got a real shot of victory. >> who wins that gubernatorial is gonna be camp? now? >> he's gonna win the
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nomination. i don't know if he's gonna win this fall but the other ways i wanna talk about real quick is bordeaux, and lucy mcbath. we're gonna end up losing a great deal of congress, no matter what. >> that is such a shame. their two solid candidates and one of them is gonna be no longer in congress. thank you very much. and that's it. that's tonight's read out. thank you for joining us from beautiful atlanta and all in with chris hayes starts now. tiful atlanta and all in with chr is hayes starts now. >> tonight on all in. >> brian kemp is a turncoat. he's a coward, and is a complete and total disaster. >> as republicans prepared to go to the polls in georgia, it's trump versus pence. the former president, backing one candidate for governor, the former vice president backing another. tonight, the future of democracy in georgia is on the ballot. and why for trump, it's personal. >> i just want to find 11,780 votes. >>


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