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from uvalde, texas, good evening. outside robb elementary school here in uvalde, texas. the latest american town whose name you may not have known. and yet, will be shattered by a mass shooting. i'll be honest you with. the thing that strikes you when youg walk around main street, few blocks up here is how normal everything feels. the final days of school were canceled here yesterday but it is graduation season here, there are bigat photos of local graduates that are on signs outside of city hall, outside of homes andll businesses. driving down main street in uvalde, today, you wouldn't know something so terrible has happened just blocks away. two blocks from here, life looks as it normally does. but something terrible did happen here. this community, this small community, lost 21 of its
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people, right here at this school, everything has changed forever, this will never be a normal spot again. and this school, this town, becomes yet another name on a list that no one wants to be on. tonight, a vigil here in uvalde is under way paying tribute to yesterday's victims. we will have much more throughout the show tonight about the victim, the m people o lost their lives. 19 children. and two teachers. at robb elementary. we're still learning the identities of some of the children who were killed. there were nine, ten years old, all of them in the same fourth grade classroom, murdered, with their teachers. let me bring you up to speed with what we know at this point with how this massacre unfolded as well as. so things that we don't yet know. this is a series of events laid out for us by texas law enforcement officials and the texas governor greg abbott who briefed reporters today. the shooter was an 18-year-old
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high schoolan dropout from uval, and at about 11:00 a.m. he apparently wrote in a facebook private message that he was to shoot his grandmother. he then did shoot his 66-year-old grandmother in the face at her home. unbelievably she was able to get to neighbor's house and the police were called. we spoke with that neighbor. listen. >> with the shots, i turned around, i couldn't see nothing and all of a sudden the door opens, and she comes out, and the duffel bag, and the back pag, puts them in the truck, puts themtr in the truck, he didn't drive, he was trying to get it out of gear, out of park, and he couldn't do it. some way, i think he hit the
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brake, rocks flying all over. then she came out. and i could see she was all bloody. >> you're talking about his grandmother. >> talking about his grandmother. and she came out, and she told me, she called me beto, beto, look what my grandson did. and i say, well let's get oust, get oust street, come over here, we got her out, we called ems and the police, and between me and my wife, we brought her back here and we put her down. we heard shots and we were afraid that he would come back. >> you heard the shots from the school? >> we heard shots from back here. we didn't know if he was in a school or not. and we decided we would bring her in. and then the police came in real
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fast. and they were out, with the ems out there and took her away. >> miraculously the shooters a grandmother is still alive but remains hospitalized. the gunman then crashed his grandmother's pick-up truck outside of the school. outside of robb elementary school. an armed school resource officer confronted the man outside the school and it is still not clear whether gunfire was exchanged at that point. what we do know is that the shooter madeno it inside the school through a back door, and the school resource officer as well as two uvalde police officers followed him inside. those two officers were wounded in an exchange of gunfire. the gunman locked himself in a fourth grade classroom and began shooting the children and the teachers. eventually, a specialized tactical team from the u.s. border patrol that happened to be nearby, we're not terribly far from the border with mexico, that team arrived, and got into the classroom that killed the
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gunman, the shooter may have been inside the school for more than an hour before he was killed. there's also been conflicting reports about whether he was body armor. he carried out the attack with one of two ar-style assault weapons that he bought in the dayswe immediately after his 18 birthday on may 16th. late into last night, parents were still learning whether their children were among the victims. the carnage inside the classroom was apparently so bad that parents were beingwa swabbed fo dna so that their children could be identified. today, in uvalde, texas governor greg abbott and state senators were pressed by reporters on how they could prevent something like this in the future. and remarkably they mostly said that they have already done all theyea could. and they talked a great deal about the bills they passed three years ago. not gun control bills mind you but bills to harden schools includings things like funding armed security officers at school, requiring districts to
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provide leading control station, essentiallyg battlefield turnkeys, in an accessible location on school campuses. of course, there was an armed officer at robb elementary school yesterday. and that did not stop the shooter d from killing 21 peopl. president biden addressed the shooting today saying quote, the second amendment is not absolute. i the idea that an 18-year-old can walk into a store and buy weapons of war, designed and marketed to kill, is i think just wrong. he said that he and the first lady will travel to texas in the coming days to meet with the families of the victims and tonight, uvalde, gathered in a vigil for the victims and their families as this community seeks terms with this loss and wonders what comes next. joining me now here in uvalde, texas, is tony, an investigative reporter with the austin american statesmen. tony, you and i have unfortunately a sad you and i met in texas, at the scene of another mass killing,
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it was at a church. and it happened, and we have thoughts and prayers and we have calls to do something, but more often than not, we will talk tonight about the examples where change does come, and more often than not, it doesn't come. what is happening in the state right now? what's the discussion that's happening about these killings? >> well, i think we saw just how high the temperature is, with beto o'rourke, the gubernatorial candidate, walking up to the stage during the governor's news conference today and saying essentially he has blood on his hand, an extraordinary moment between the sitting governor of the state of texas and a gubernatorial candidate. >> and ultimately beto o'rourke was escorted out. >> after tense words between officials on the stage and beto o'rourke on the floor. across the state of texas, people are having theta same conversation that frankly people are having in 2019 after the shooting in the walmart in el
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paso, and in 2017 after the shooting in southernland springs. and what can truly be done, and how do the state and the lawmakers in the state of texas strike a balance between preserving second amendment gun rights but keeping the people and particularly the children of our state safe. >> let's talk about what we don't know yet. we have a lot of information about what happened yesterday. we're not still sure on the front end what happened, where thee shooter was, and how he g there, and what happened when he first got in, and obviously we learned more once we saw that the tactical units came in and that ended. there's a lot more investigating to do about this. >> there certainly. is and often times after something like this happens, there is a deep desire for motive. people truly want to understand exactly why a person would have done what they did. i have learned one fact from law enforcement officials, and that
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is, the gunman's grandmother apparently worked at this elementary school, but that her employment stopped in may, 2020. so officials are trying to determine whether or not there is some connection there, or exactly what that connection is. but you certainly know, and i know, from covering mass shootings at other major crimes like this, that sometimes the real meaning dies with the person. and so that very well may be what happens here. >> thank you. i hope one day we will not meet in circumstances like this. the story of america these days where you and i run into stuff like this. thank you for your support. >>yo thank you for your time. >> an investigative reporter for the austin american statesman. we are slowly learning the names of thema victims of the ms shooting as neighbors and friends and family gather together to grieve the in calculable loss of their loved ones. we will beed saying their names and share can a little bit about each person. each life lost.
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10-year-old alithia ramirez loved to draw and her father she wanted to be an artist. rojelio torres, hard working. eliahna garcia loved to dance. ten years old. tess maata air ana grande, and houston astros. alexandria aniyha rubio was an all-a honor roll and a good citizen award hours before the shooting. today the cityur of buffalo lai to rest the retired police officer aaron stalter, a security guard at the tops supermarket when a gunman came in and killed ten members of the community including salter himself. he fired at the gunman but the gunman wasut wearing a tactical helmet and a but proof vest.
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he was remembered as quote just a r good person. a good person with a gun. who lost his life trying to stop a mass murderer. 1700 miles away from that funeral in buffalo, here in uvalde, texas, officials have confirmed that an armed school resource officer was present when another alleged shooter arrived at a local elementary school. the picture is stillar emerging for what happened next, but we know that the alleged gunman was able to enter the school and was not subdued until sometime later, after the carnage that killed at least 19 children and two adults, had already ensued. america has experienced two horrific mass shootings in just ten days. in each case, armed men were present who tried valiantly to stop the alleged shooters, officer aaron salter lost his life in then process but the massacre still and that reality should be enough to finally dispense with the ridiculous anti-gun safety bromide that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a
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good guy with a gun, and yet texas republicans response to this massacre is familiar. one that says more people with guns always, more people with guns. >> no doubt we need to keep children in school safe. we know from past experience that the most effective tool for keeping kids safe, armed law enforcement on the campus. >> we can't potentially arm and prepare teachers and other administrators. >> texas republicans have repeatedly and consistently pushed policies to increase the number of guns in their state. just a year ago, the texas governor, greg abbott, signed seven billst, into law, all designed to make it easier to purchase and carry a gun in texas. on friday, texas senator ted cruz and governor greg abbott are scheduled to speak at the national rifle association's annual convention in texas.
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texas's other senator, john cornyn wasr, scheduled to speak but he pulled out at the last minute claiming a scheduling conflict. the voters in texas continue to support the republican leaders if the response for the tragedy is to keeprs pushing for more gs in more hands in more places? joining us now is the democratic candidate for texas attorney general, who is challenging the republican incumbent paxton who you just heard suggesting that texas should be arming teachers. thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> what do you think attorney general paxton's solution, not far off from most state level republicans in this state that the answer to problems like this is more people with gun, more security,op hardening these pla, blood banks, things like that, as opposed to dealing with the fundamental underlying problem? >> i think that's exactly the wrong solution. his action has not given us any sort of help for these
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communities. i'm a fifth generation texan. i lovem texas. i grew up hunting and i know how to use guns safely. we need to do better. we need to have better policies that are geareder to protect communities. because we can't go on like this. i'm a new mom. i just had a two-month-old little girl and i am fearful for the day that i have to send her to school. and that shouldn't be. >> that is the safe place in somebody's life. that's the place where your kids are supposed to go and come out at the end of the day unharmed. >> that's right. and you know, i come from a family of public schoolteachers. you know, i know that the solution isn't to arm them. we need to make schools safer. and paxton is too busy worried about the indictment and the fbi investigation to actually come up with solutions that will help people. that's why i'm running for this office, to unseat this person who doesce not care about our families and not providing any solutions to what we're seeing here.
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>> the overwhelming majority of americans believe in some type of common sense gun reform, background checks, red flags, things like that. what do you do to convince people? you're in a state where more than other states, people take their second amendment right very, very seriously. constitution. it is their right. theit narrative has become democrats will take your guns. people who want gun reforms are going to take your guns. how do you have that conversation? you must have people in your family, your constituents, who worry that thisnt stuff leads t gun confiscation or gun control. >> look, i'm a civil rights lawyer and i do believe in responsible gun ownership. as i mentioned, you know, i did grow up hunting. i'm texan. i love texas. and this is part of our culture. i also grew up with a father who was a judge, and i had to learn how to use guns for protection. so i understand these things. but whatst we saw here, this is
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texas. andth this is not, i mean we ne to do better. to do better by protecting our children, i mean this community is very much like a community that i come from, and it is deeply heartbreaking for me. my heartki breaks for these family. my heart breaks for these children who are watching this. and what's the future that they're going into? this is why we need ho hold politicians accountable. >> what does better look like to you? are there tangible examples?e if you win, this falls into your purview. what does ital look like? how do you stop things like this from s happening? we don't really fully know yet why things like this happen. everybody has a different answer, a mental health issue, too many video game, whatever the case is, and what do you do about it, and people get their hands on guns and do bad things, and lots of people get their hands on guns and never do bad things, what does reconciling the differentth opinions on thi feel like toon you? >> we need to have a conversation and bring everyone
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to the table. texas has the most permissive gun laws in the country. we just passed constitutional parity. these are not theut policies th will not make ust safer. so we need to look at licensing. we need to look at responsible gunpo ownership. learning how to properly use a firearm. making sure that people do not use these weapons to harm people. and there are policies that we can put in place, but we don't have't that conversation. >> do you believe that's true, though? do you believe you can do something that dot not infringe on constitutionally protected second amendmentut rights that n slow down, lessen these types of incidents? because there's so many of them. >>e' i know. i mean i know that everyone in this country, everyone in this city is just absolutely exhausted of a waking up in the morning, and hearing about this horrific loss of life. you know, as i mentioned, you know, i worry i about my daught,
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i worry about the future that she is going into, that's why i got into this race, iso, i wanto make sure that i'm protecting her s and the next generation. and we can come up with policies that are going to protect people. there arepr solutions. we just haven't had the conversations. >> thanks for being with us tonight. i'm sorry for the loss. >> thank you. >> rochelle garza, a democratic candidate for the texas attorney general. look, i guess the question i was just asking, it's hard not to feel defeated by this idea thated there's no solution to this. if you feel defeated by the idea that nothing can be done about gun killings, even after a mass shooting, that killed little children, i think it's incumbent upon us to think again. when we come back, we will talk with somebody who has achieved a pretty big victory over a gun manufacturer. that's just ahead. but first, i want to talk more about the victims, the victims of the shooting. 10-year-old jose flores jr. loved baseball. mericing therd for honor roll.
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just hours before he died. annabell, guadalupe rodriguez, a quiet child, an honor roll student close friends with her classmate jacklyn cazares who had her first communion two weeks ago. both killed. we'll be right back. weeks ago. both killed. we'll be right back.
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i'm here in uvalde, texas, joining me now is ronald garza, a county commissioner in uvalde, a life-long member of the community. commissioner, you're not just a life-long member, you're like many people here, multi-generational from here. your grandfather, or your father -- >> my father. >> your father was a teacher at robb elementary, and the trees that we're looking at there, they were not there, they're trees that your father planted. >> he arrived in 1965, not a single tree out here. and my dad went and bought small
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three-foot high trees on his own, pecan tree, and planted them and watered them every day after school. >> you're deeply committed to this place. >> went to school here myself. >> tell me how the community is dealing with this. i drove in today, and it's small. it's a small place. it's busy. a lot of traffic here. main street thoroughfare. but it's a small place. 21 people died. everybody must know them. >> you know, a small tight knit community comes up a lot. in the last few days. we're grieving. we're mourning. you know, we're so tight knit of a community, that my two neighbors across the street, one of them lost a grandchild, my other neighbor lost her daughter-in-law who is a teacher here. that's how close of a community we are. you know, we're grieving but we are dealing with it. >> when i was coming down main street i saw the graduation pictures of high school students
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shall the pride that this community takes in the idea that people graduated from high school, the photographs line the street and billboards with posters, in front of the school, in front of the city hall, and i couldn't imagine the irony of that, you're celebrating the people who made it through high school, and 19 of these people -- >> you know, a lot of good students have walked the hallways of robb elementary school. we've had educators, professors, lawyers, doctors, that come out of this school. what can we say about the teachers? dedicated. hours and days. of their lives. to help students, and make that student a better person. you know, this one tragic, this incident that happened yesterday, it didn't define our community or robb elementary school. it's a great community. we may have some differences. but when a crisis comes up like
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this, and there's a need, our community unites. >> what about the differences around guns? again, coming down main street, i saw those pictures, of high school students, i saw gunshops, i saw a pick-up truck parked on the corner advertising you can get your gun license from him. and i actually talked to him and i said what do you think about the fact that you're here training people how to use guns and people blocks away, there was a killing and it didn't strike him as unusual. >> this is deer country. you know, a lot of, we get a lot of hunters, it is a big industry. and it brings in money to our community. however, i think you do a poll here in uvalde, and the majority of people would say, and the majority of people i have talked to have said, what about automatic weapons, you know, shouldn't there be more gun laws, more rules in place, to ensure that incidents like this do not occur. i mean when is this going to
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stop? it's not going to. until congress takes action. will it work? will passing more laws, and rules work? you know, it can't hurt. because doing nothing is not helping our country. >> what do you say to the argument that people, a lot of people around here have guns. >> right. >> what do you say when those people say it's not us. we're law-abiding, well-trained gun users, we don't kill anybody, we don't shoot anybody, anybody does one of these things they say is either mentally ill or motivated by something else, or something highly specific, and do you have that discussion with your constituents? do you have that discussion with your friends and family? >> you know, there's that saying, that says, that guns don't kill people, people kill people, but in the end, it's that individual that went and purchased that rifle. and used it. that automatic rifle.
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to commit these crimes. and our current system, our current laws aren't working. i mean look what happened here yesterday. they're not work. and congress needs to do something. the polls show that the majority of americans want stricter gun laws. and this is a perfect example of why we need them. >> thanks for joining me. we appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. >> commissioner garza, uvz county commissioner. coming up next, we will talk about someone who took on the gun industry and won. 10-year-old eliahana cruz tore es loved softball and looking forward to the last game of the season after school on tuesday. amerie jo garza loved play-doh and talking to her friends at recess and celebrated her tenth
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new and existing customers get amazing value with our everyday pricing. switch today. this friday, just three days after 19 students and two adults were killed at this texas elementary school, former president donald trump, texas senator ted cruz, and texas governor greg abbott are all scheduled to speak at the nra big annual event in houston. now, it's easy to lose hope when
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you see republicans not changing their behavior at all, after a tragedy like this, but it's important to remember that when elected leaders won't budge, apply pressure. this was the former florida governor rick scott speaking at that same big annual nra event in 2017. that was a year after the pulse nightclub shooting in orlando that killed 49 people. there he was, on stage, at an event, held by the nra, which consistently gave rick scott an a-plus rating and ran ads supporting scott in election after election, after election. but then there was the shooting at marjory stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida, 17 killed and 14 others injured, the political aftermath of that shooting could have easily been just the same as we've seen from republicans time and time again on this issue but it wasn't. not totally, this was florida
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governor rick scott in 2018, three weeks after that shooting, and what do you see him doing there? he's signing a law that raised the minimum age for all gun purchases in florida, from 18 to 21. it also added a three-day waiting period for buying a gun, and banned the congressional bump stock attachment that retrofits a rifle so it fires almost as fast as a fully automatic weapon in which you pull the trigger once and multiple bullets come out. that bill that rick scott signed, that was the first piece of successful gun control legislation in florida in more than 20 years, and the nra bumped rick scott down from an "a" to a "c." was that florida legislation perfect? not by a long shot. but if it existed in texas, yesterday's shooter would not have been able to casually buy the gun the way he did. how did that florida legislation happen? how did the nra's preferred
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candidate, an a plus defender of the cause end up adopting common sense gun reform. it was the activists. the activists that came out in support of doing something. they came out of the marjory stoneman douglas shooting. the kids made it happened. they kept it in the spotlight. one that scott could not ignore even if he wanted to. this is a great example of how pressure works. politicians can afford to alienate some vote torious keep the nra happy but at some point that has to give. it is easy to feel that there is no way to make progress on this issue, particularly in the last ten days. but recent history tells us the change is in fact possible. that's not all by the way. since 2018, 14 states have passed what are called red flag laws, and these are the states. they allow loved ones or the police to petition the court to confiscate firearms from people who might be at risk from
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harming themselves or others. that too came about because of public pressure. earlier this year, remington, the manufacturer of the ar-15 style rifle that the shooter in sandy hook elementary school used to kill 20 children and six employees and his mother, remington settled the lawsuit, for the victims of that massacre $73 million, believed to be the largest payout of a gun manufacturer in a mass shooting case and particularly notable for well over a decade, federal law has essentially shielded the entire firearms industry from litigation. now, the family of one of the victims of the buffalo mass shooting may use that lawsuit as a road map to seek justice for themselves. so progress is possible. it takes an awful lot of effort. but it is possible. joining us now is joshua, the attorney who got the ground breaking settlement from remington for the families of the victims of the sandy hook massacre.
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josh ka, thanks for joining us tonight. i would love if you could help our viewers understand the basis of your lawsuit in sandy hook, how it might be a road map for holding manufacturers of weapons particularly the ones used in the buffalo supermarket shooting last week were possible. >> sure, i would be happy to, ali, when we focused on our lawsuit, something that i learned during my investigation of the case, which is that ar-15s were always available in america, and when you and i were growing up, you could get an ar-15, but when we didn't grow up in the age of mass shootings and all of that changed around the mid 2000s, when private equity money came into new york, and they decided that they would build and revitalize the gun industry, by courting purchases of ar-15s, instead of having consumers seek out ar-15s, ar-15s, what were about 100,000
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units a year, in 2005, and by 2012, 2.1 million. and what we found was that -- >> wow. >> wow is right. and what we found, the reason why we're seeing all of these mass shootings is not mental illness as the governor of the state of texas, and when you and i were growing up, there was also mental illness. there were also kids getting bullied. there were all of these things. what there wasn't, was these kids were not being courted to sell combat weapons, by the gun industry. why weren't thee, why weren't they being court? not because they didn't want to. they couldn't court. natural barriers were in place to prevent kids and teenagers and troubled kids from getting access or information on weapons. what we learned was that all changed in the mid 2000s, as money comes in, and they said, we got, we can sell more of
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these weapons that have been on the shelves for 40 years and create a market for them by courting these users through the modern means of marketing, which is the internet, and so now, it is going around the parent, and we don't know with parents what our kids are looking at and these kids are getting courted by the companies and it led to an explosion of sales and that's clearly led to this exponential number of mass shootings. a simple cause and effect when we saw the information but i think it is really surprising to learn that this is an old product, this ar-15, and it hasn't changed -- >> it hasn't changed. the audience has changed. and one of the things you learned in this case, in addition, or achieved, in addition to getting cash, part of settlement that you achieved, was remington agreeing to release thousands of pages of internal company documents, including plans for, as you just
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described how they marketed the weapon in particular that was used in sandy hook. what do you do with those documents? what did you learn from them? what do you do with them? >> what i learned, essentially explaining this to the listeners, which is that the incidents of mass shootings that we're seeing today, it is not a coincidence, it's not because all of a sudden the country became full of mentally ill people. it's because of this concerted effort by the gun industry to sell as many ar-15s as they could, to the expanded market, notably to get, to hook the kids and the teenagers growing up, when you think about it, the 18-year-old who shot, who perpetrated this terrible shooting yesterday, the day he turned 18, he knew what weapon he was getting. why? because the companies had been courting him for years. through the internet. through, i think the public will
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see exactly what was going on and answer a lot of the questions that people are asking today. >> joshua, thank you for joining us tonight. the attorney who got that ground-breaking settlement for the families of the victims of the sandy hook massacre. we appreciate your time. one way to change things is for politicians to run on the issue of gun reform and to win. coming up next, we will talk to a congresswoman who did exactly that. but first, i want to tell you a little more about the lives that were lost here in uvalde, texas. 11-year-old jailah sillguero's relatives said she loved to dance and bring energy to a room and she and her cousin jayce luevanos the babies of the family. he was 10 years old. and xavier lopez was a bubbly kid who liked to dance with his brothers and his mom and she saw her 10-year-old son for the last time during the school award ceremony on tuesday. y.
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we see a decades worth of gun control measures failed and stalled in congress across multiple administrations but we do know that the vast majority of americans support things like universal background checks, we've seen candidates run on platforms that are dedicated to gun reform, and they have won. candidates like lucy mcbath, a democratic congresswoman from georgia who got into politics after her son jordan was shot
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and killed by a white man who was angry about the music that he was playing back in 2012. she became a gun control activist after her son's murder in 2018 after the parkland shootings in florida, she ran for congress and she won, flipping a seat that was historically held by republicans. last night, she won her primary for re-election. she sponsored two bills that passed the house that would have expanded background checks and closed some loopholes. when we have a senate that hasn't even taken up those bills, what can congress do? how do we make that sort of thank -- change happen. >> lucy mcbath joins us now. thanks for joining us. we appreciate having you here, congresswoman. yesterday, when you addressed your supporters, after winning your primary, you spoke about the shooting, right here at the school that i'm at, robb elementary and you said, i'm going to quote you, we cannot be the only nation where one party sits on its hands as children are forced to cover their faces
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in fear. how do you convince republicans, and convince people of that, but you don't have to convince people of that, the american people are on the side of tighter gun legislation, how do you convince republicans, particularly in the senate, to understand that and act on that? >> just the last week, we were having these very same discussions about the lives that were lost in buffalo, new york. i actually have family that live in that community. we just cannot afford these shootings to circulate in and out of our national dialogue, only to be forgotten before the next tragedy. these horrific acts of violence, you know, it's just going to continue to persist. with this despicable frequency, if we do not have the courage to stand up for our communities. and we just got to continue to take immediate action. my colleagues in washington, yes, we have to continue to make
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sure that we are doing everything that we can to take, you know, immediate action, and just vote on measures to protect our community, and children, like the red flag bill that i have introduced in congress, and many other pieces of legislation that we're going to have to introduce, but in particular, the red flag bill that i've sponsored, it has already been passed out of the judiciary committee, and hoyer has already said we will be taking this legislation up on the floor in the coming weeks when we get back to washington. we've got to pass this legislation. and many more pieces of legislation. because people's lives are literally depending on these policies. >> let me ask you about that. because the red flag law, these laws are in states at least, they do get some bipartisan support, because they are no-brainers. right? if somebody is a threat, that has done things that would demonstrate that they might be a
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threat. this is overwhelmingly by the way toward women, by their spouses, their husbands, their partners, but that it's easy for people to identify that. it's not without due process. a court has to or a judge has to hear it. it makes sense. >> absolutely. these, we know that the states have actually passed this legislation, such as florida after the parkland tragedy, we recognize statistically that those homicide rates, they go down, drastically, we know that in the states that have red flag laws, you know, there are decreased numbers of, you know, homicides, and murders. we know that these laws work. and that's the reason why it is so important that we take forth this policy, that we make sure we're doing everything we can to make sure that our communities and our families and our children are safe. >> congresswoman, i'm just showing our viewers right now, there are just, there are just a
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stream of people who keep coming in to this school, and laying wreaths on the ground. there are balloons, there are things like that. i talked about one of the young girls who died, and how she liked playing with play-doh. these are children. how do you, you have a unique voice in this, you, like the parkland students, went and took your grief and the tragedy and did something with it. what do you say to the parents of these children who have been killed here? what a devastating thing to lose 8, 9, 10-year-old children. >> well, you know, ali, these are very, very kind of difficult moments that are so devastating for the families, so devastating for those that are left behind to pick up the pieces, and what i want to say is that, you know, i know that thoughts and prayers are not enough. i know they are not enough. and i know that, you know, our families continue to hear this over and over again.
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but i want to assure them that there's just an army of volunteers, and grass roots movement organizers, moms and action for gun control in america, all of the gun safety groups, my colleagues and i, on the gun violence prevention task force in washington, we are wounded, we are -- because i understand what it is like to lose a child. i understand what it feels like, those moments, the horrific moments when you recognize that your child is gone. and just for some unnecessary reasons. and that i want them to understand and know, that we will not rest. i will not rest. i will do everything in my power, as many of my colleagues are, to make sure that no one suffers unnecessarily, because this is just horrific, it is a public health crisis, and it must be dealt with. >> congresswoman mcbath, thank you so much for joining us. thanks for what you're doing in
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this battle. i will leave my viewers with a shot of somebody who just laid another wreath at that memorial. i'll be right back with another interesting conversation. i'll be right back with another interesting conversation
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here's candice... who works from home, and then works from home. but she can handle pickup, even when her bladder makes a little drop-off. because candice has poise, poise under pressure and poise in her pants. it takes poise.
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i want to tell you the names of three more victims 10-year-old makenna lee el rod, a natural leader and loved animals and loved school. irma garcia taught at robb elementary school for 23 years and especially loved teaching children how to read. married with four children. eva mireles, 17 years, beloved for her dedication for students, married with one daughter. joining us now is a former employee of the elementary school here in uvalde. the reason you're here, this wasn't planned, but you are like those people over there, you went in remembrance.
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who did you know here? >> prior to the teacher working here in uvalde, she worked 20 miles from here, and she was my son's teacher. and my son had a hard time going to school, so she would, she would buy him happy meals and take him happy meals and we have lunch with her at school. she didn't do this for all the kids. she did it for my son. she would take him doughnuts and she would take him snacks because he was just having a hard time. and she was just amazing with him. he just loved her so much. and she loved him so much. i don't doubt one bit that she stood right there in front of the gunman and said you're not taking my kids, you're not going to hurt my kids, because that's the type of person that she was. she was just amazing. i just can't believe this. >> i'm sorry for your loss. thank you for telling us a little bit about her. it does help us to hear the stories of the people who lost
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their lives here yesterday. thank you, i'm sorry. >> thank you. >> there are so many people here like her, who are leaving things that there who are coming in and crying and they're grieving. it won't be enough. but that's what is happening in uvalde. that does it for us. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is up next. young lives cut short. offering a glimpse of bright futures. >> eliana torres, a tuned and athlete never far from a softball field. >> there was fourth grader uziah garcia. third grader annabell guadalupe rodriguez killed in the same classroom as her cousin. ten-year-old xavier lopez, a fourth grader. jackie, eliahana, elly garcia. just some of the names and faces of the victims of that horrific school shooting in texas. we will hear more about the lives lost, including from a dad


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