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a firm timeline of the events. the department of public safety director answering a question wednesday about how long the suspect, 18-year-old salvador ramos was the promises before law enforcement killed him. >> i can't -- it is within 40 minutes, an hour. i don't want you to give you a particular time line. but bottom line is that law enforcement was there and they did engage immediately. >> reporter: and as more video emerges. a law enforcement source telling nbc news this brief clip shows the gunman running into the school dressed all in black, long gunnin hand. inside he was confronted by an armed school resource officer and kept going and made his way inside. that is when ramos locked himself in a classroom and began his rampage. border patrol officers eventually opened the door and exchanged gunfire with ramos, killing him.
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as investigators worked to piece together a motive. ramos's aunt shelby telling me she's in disbelief. >> my heart hurts for everyone right now. >> do you have any idea why he flipped. >> people go through things and nobody understands. everybody has, i don't know what was going on. >> reporter: while he had no known criminal history or record of mental health illness, a series of private messages posted on facebook give a chilling warning. >> the third post, less than 15 minutes before arriving at the school was i'm going to shoot an elementary school. >> across texas, emotions running high. former congressman beto o'rourke running for governor in texas disrupting his opponent greg abbott's news conference on wednesday saying another shooting would happen without real reform. >> you're doing nothing. >> no. he needs to get his -- sir, you're out of line.
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>> reporter: as so many others struggle to make sense of yet another mass shooting. this morning the painful images are continuing to pour in. the faces of the young victims, families torn apart by this evil. >> we always say, hug your kids every day and every morning when they go to school or after school. >> reporter: so parents and residents here want some answers. we have reached out to texas authorities to ask more questions about the timeline, we hope to get those answers today and in the coming days. but we're talking about anywhere from 30 minutes to 40 minutes to even an hour that that gunman was locked inside there killing children. just to put this in perspective, parkland, where 17 students died, that is ten minutes. we're talking about a much longer time line here. and we should point out that the law enforcement officers that took out of the shooter were customs and border protection. this school district has their own police force. they put so much resources and so much money into protecting children, it is so hard and i know it is veriy in this investigation, and a lot of
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questions are being asked and i spoke with a law enforcement analyst for nbc news yesterday and i asked him, this sort of starts to feel like parkland, what happened where there was an armed guard who is accused of not stopping the shooter and he told me we're still getting information and this young man had an ar-style weapon. he clearly outgunned the officers here and as with you discuss and talk about what happened here. >> tom in uvalde, thank you. let's look close near the investigation into shooting. we're joined by correspondent ken delanian. good morning. what more have you found this morning about that timeline about how this started and how long it took to ultimately bring down the shooter? >> good morning, willie. i think tom was raising the exact yes questions that were on the table. there was a news conference yesterday and the governor greg
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abbott laid out some facts but he omitted some key facts. we did learn the basic time line, this began when the gunman shot his grandmother in the face as the governor put her and then took her truck and drove it to the school and crashed the truck near the entrance of the school and then ran in and you saw that image of him in black with a weapon. and that is where the confusion begins. because initially the texas department of public safety had said that an armed school resource officer engaged him on his way into the school. but yesterday the head of that department gave an entirely different account which raises fundamental questions. take a listen. >> there was a brave school district resource officer that approached him and engaged him and at that time there was not -- gunfire was not exchanged. he confronted him and wanted to find out, because he was -- he heard the accident and trying to check on that particular crash when he saw it.
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so he followed him right in immediately. okay. >> so the first thing about that is that contradicted what his own agency was saying earlier, was that the officer did fire his weapon. if that is true, it raises a huge question, what are school resource officers for. they are armed officers, they're supposed to be the first line of defense. so if that account is true, for whatever reasons, this officer did not try to use force as a man in black carrying a rifle entered the school. and that question needs to be answered. and look, there may be perfectly reasonable explainations for it and these officers initially were outgunned. they're carrying handguns against a person with an ar-15. and frankly, that is an uncomfortable issue for those republican politicians who are on that podium yesterday. because they are arguing, their policy position is people should have free access to assault rifles. so these facts need to be
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ferreted out. and the other question laid out is what explains what was said was a 40 to 60 minute gap, a delay. they portrayed it as we had him barricades in the classroom where he killed all of the children and teachers. so, and it is not clear when exactly that happened. but the authorities have said that initially, after he got into the school, a couple of uvalde police officers went in and tried engage him and were unable to bring him down with the handguns and then he went into the classroom and then this 40 to 60 minute delay while they waited for the better armed tactical team who are federal agents to show up. "the associated press" is reporting that during that time there were bystanders screaming at police officers saying why aren't you going in. look, this is an awful situation. and no one could put themselves in the place of these law enforcement officers and understand what they went through. but all we can ask is for the
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facts. and then we could make our own judgment and i'm not sure we have all of the facts right now. >> and so often in the early stages of a horror like this, the information we get first is wrong. so we'll continue to look at the investigation, how this plays out. ken delanian, thank you. we appreciate it. we want to be careful about drawing any conclusions because we don't know exactly how or what happened exactly. why the school resource officer was armed and didn't engage the 18-year-old who walked in there with an ar-15 and why it took 30, 40 or perhaps as long as an hour from the time the guy entered the school to the time he was killed for him to be -- or how soon the man walked into that classroom and killed those children. we just don't know how it played out yet. >> yeah, mike, we do though will be figuring it out. if no gunfire was exchanged with a guy in all black going in with an ar-15 into the school, if he was not fired upon, if he was
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not stopped, that obviously raises a lot of questions. and raises that we web back to parkland where you had an officer staying outside, while shooting was going on inside. again, outgunned. but it seems to me we need to come up with a better system to protect our children in classrooms. and sadly, again, sadly, not only these resource officers are going to be outgunned, by these weapons of war, that republicans won't take off the streets, police officers, local police officers, will be outgunned as well. >> well there is only two things that are vividly clear at this point. after what happened in uvalde,
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texas. one is the autopsy, the report of what happened that day minute-by-minute in terms of law enforcement people and the shooter himself, the autopsy of what happened is going to be brutal. it is going to be brutal. just given the fact that there was -- as we've been reported, either half an hour or a 40-minute lapse between the time that he entered the classroom and the time that he was shot dead. the other aspect of this that is going to come to fore is the idea that several people have mentioned, i think preposterously, since the shooting occurred is that things would have been different if teachers were armed. >> oh, good god. come on. >> including from governor abbott's press conference yesterday. one of the people -- it would have been different if teachers have been armed. so we see what happens in terms of just a school police officer being confronted by someone with an assault weapon, with an
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ar-15. you know you're outgunned. we don't attribute motives until we find out all of the facts. but a school teacher armed in the classroom, certainly would have been more than outmatched. >> we talked about this before. and again you hear this from people who are gun owners and understand guns very well. you don't want to give teachers that are walking into classrooms, you know, here is your curriculum, here is your class roll, here is your gun. you don't -- you don't want to do that. because, unless somebody is really trained, comfortable with a gun, then what you're going to do, i can't believe i have to explain this. you're going to cause more deaths. the stats are undeniable. where there are more guns, there are more deaths. where there are more guns in state per person, there are more
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deaths per person. and these jack as are talking about giving teachers guns. they're not trained. >> well think about what we're already asked now, fourth grade teachers do beyond teaching the multiplication tables. be the guardian and protector of your kids and by the reports that we got, similar to sandy hook, the two teachers in the fourth grade classroom were found huddled over their children trying to save their lives. we're asking teachers to teach and buy their own school supplies and now to stand in the way of bullets to attempt to save the lives of the children. so now you want them to take firearms classes and be in shootouts in the middle of a school. come on, be serious. >> there is every argument just to not talk about the obvious issues and go ahead, mike, and then we'll go to the white house. >> the average salary for school teachers in uvalde is $60,000 a
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year. do you want to keep it in a holster. >> you could buy it without any training. let's go to the white house. politico white house reporter and "morning joe" senior contributor eugene daniels joins us now. what is the president saying about any plans to visit uvalde? >> the president said yesterday that he and the first lady are going to go in the coming days. and so we're expecting that to happen probably over the next week. awhat i've been talking to my associates have been told. ant this is something that the president has done over and over again in his very young presidency and also when hes with vice president. going to places where this happened. we can all play exactly how this is going to operate if our sleep. he's going to do and do the thing that he's good at, consoling victims of terrible violence or terrible tragedy. he's very good at that as a president because he's uniquely qualified because of the tragedy in his own life. and when you go to these places,
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and you talk to these folks, they also want to know what you're going to do for them. at this point, the president is going to go and talk to them. but what does he bring? and you talk to folks here, what they say is out of the executive orders that they've continued to keep looking at after some of the other tragedies, they're continuing to do that. but we know that there is not going to be -- we know there is not a lot of movement in congress. chuck schumer said yesterday he's going to give kind of bipartisan group of folks some time to negotiate on some of these issues. but where are the ten republican votes. that is when i talk to folks at the white house, that is what they're asking. where are the ten republican votes. and what you continue to see is this gets kicked down the road until something terrible happens and then we continue to talk about it. and this issue is not easy. and it is multi-faceted and finance and health care and foreign policy is also very difficult but yet we figure out
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how to do that as a country. and i do want to point out in some new political polling that we had just out today after this tragedy is that congress, the members of congress, the members of senate who aren't voting for some of these things that might come up, are out of step with the american people. you have 88% of american voters saying they strongly or somewhat support requiring background checks on all gun sales. you have 75% saying they are creating a national data base about each gun sale. and 67% say they are in favor of banning assault style weapons. and so now they're looking to congress to do something. but where are the ten votes from republicans to make this happen. and also where the 50 democrat votes to get rid of the filibuster for that. that is what advocates are asking today. >> eugene daniels reporting from the white house. thank you very much. >> willie, those numbers that you heard, flash poll, those number are consistent with where they've been over the past
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decades. where you have about 85, 90% of americans supporting background checks. about two-thirds of americans supporting a ban on military-style weapons. so, that's where the people are and yet you have senators who yesterday voted to stop debate on a bill that would actually give the 88%, 90% of americans what they want. universal background checks. there is no good reason to not have universal background checks. >> and if you read the content of those two bills, those are not radical bills. they're giving what the people want. just 80% of people want to tighten background checks. even in the state of texas. we talked about it a minute ago. university of texas poll showed 18% of texans, including a lot of republicans, are against universal back ground checks and yet they can't get there. there is a moment last night prior to tipoff in miami where
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the heat held a moment of silence for the victims of the matt shooting at robb elementary school. it concluded with a call to action. >> the heat urges you to contact your state senators by calling 202-224-3121 to leave a message demanding their support for common sense gun laws. you could also make change at the ballot box. visit to register and let your voice be heard this fall. >> you heard cheers from the floridians there in the arena. but marco rubio was critical tweeting this. the nba doesn't like to talk about the billions they make from china that enslaves uyghur muslims but they have no problem politicizing a horrific tragedy in america. >> and that is believe it or not, the senator who represents parkland, florida. who has done absolutely nothing
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since parkland to stop the proliferation of the time of guns that killed kids at parkland. the senator who voted to even kill the debate on something that 80%, 85%, 90% of floridians demand and that is universal background checks. >> you know how isolated these people are, joe. you do know how. >> i do. >> so isolated. >> but it is so repetitive in what they do. marco rubio is the latest politician to do it. it is a shiny object over here. so they have this announcement, didn't ruffle any feathers. it is common sense. and the announcement gets a round of applause from the fans there. mark ow rubio's response is what about the chinese and our our silence about what they're doing to the uyghurs. this occurred as you just pointed out, they were playing last night within 20 miles of parkland, high school.
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a state that he does represent and i would add very poorly. >> yeah. >> and by the way, it is just a distraction. look over there. oh, look, let's talk about health care even though greg abbott slashed funding on health care. let's talk about violent video games. even though there are violent video games all over the globe but yet we in america have the gun problem. now let's talk about china. he's 20 minutes, 30 minutes from parkland. he said let's talk about china. the what about-ism. there is no what about-ism. if you want to talk -- if americans getting slaughtered, marco, makes you talk about china, if you say oh, i don't know, if you see these little children who have been slaughtered, you don't want to talk about that slaughter, you don't want to talk about americans being killed, you want to talk about china.
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nobody is buying that bullshit, marco. nobody. nobody. good luck with it. >> really obvious. >> let's bring in republican congressman adam kinzinger to help us answer the question, why are teenagers allowed to purchase semi-automatic rifles. >> he's coming up next after a quick break. an part of the committee investigating the january 6 attack on the capitol. we'll ask him about the report from politico that president trump expressed support for hanging mike pence when "morning joe" returns in just a moment. >> god. a moment. >> god but, at upwork, we found her. she's in austin between a fresh bowl of matcha and a fresh batch of wireframes. and you can find her, and millions of other talented pros, right now on bipolar depression. it made me feel trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it.
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to be able to say this one 18-year-old is not going to wipe out gun ownership across the country -- >> at the end of the day, the issue is not the firearm and that is what we should be focused on.
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>> inevitably when there is a murder of this kind, you see politicians trying to politicize it. you see democrats and a lot of folks in the media whose immediate solution is try to restrict constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens. >> that doesn't work. it is not effective. it doesn't prevent crime. >> oh, they'll blame guns for everything. it is out there. every time there is anything that comes up, they want to blame guns. >> yeah, under 9 people killed every day by guns. and again, uvalde, ar-15, buffalo ar-15, orlando, ar-15, parkland, and las vegas ar-15. aurora, colorado, and sandy hook, waffle house, san bernardino, ar-15. and odesa, and synagogue, souther land springs, tree of life synagogue, ar-15.
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again those people that you just saw, they think your stupid. and if you voted for them, they think you're really stupid. because if you know anything about constitutional law or the second amendment or the supreme court's interpretation of the second amendment and what is constitutional law, you do not have in america a constitutional right to carry an ar-15. there is not that constitutional right. if there were that constitutional right, wristen in the constitution, then you wouldn't have states like connecticut that were able to pass sweeping massive gun control laws that still haven't been overturned a decade later. and if you read heller, you'll understand, there is not that constitutional -- and they keep lying to you. they keep telling you there is a constitutional right. no, no, you have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms. the court said you have a
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constitutional right to have a handgun, a shotgun, inside your home. for protection. that is your constitutional right. if states want to go beyond that, they can. if states want to ban anything beyond that, constitution says, as interpreted by the united states supreme court, that they can't. so that is all lies. everything you heard there was lies. every one of the republican senators, they were lying to you. it is just not true. let's bring in congressman adam kinzinger of illinois. thank you so much, congressman. what drives me crazy, is there are some guys that went to law school and at really good supposedly good ones. >> yale -- >> and i'm hearing them lie about what the united states constitution said and what the united states constitution does not say about guns for a very, very long time. so, i just god -- just got to
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ask you, sir, why is it so important that we have 18-year-olds have the right to buy a military-style weapon. >> or two. >> or two on their 18th birthday, that actually is more lethal and deadly than the m-16s we gave our soldiers and marines in vietnam. >> look, i think it is a good question. so federally, this is -- i think people kind of mistake what are the laws out there. and this is important. federally, nowhere in this country can you buy a handgun under the age of 21. okay. so if you look at that and say, but that means that there is no federal -- no federal requirement for a age of 21 for long rifles. so if you think about that. what was a long rifle and why would it make sense to say 18 and above. at that time it was probably a 22. it was probably a shotgun.
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i guarantee you it wasn't the consideration of an ar-15. and look, i'm a gun owner. all of those caveats and the second amendment supporter. but for those that try to imply that a pistol versus an ar situation is the same because they both shoot bullets, it is a vastly different exchange of gunfire. if an untrained shooter has an ar-15 against somebody that is extremely trained with a handgun, it is maybe a legal playing field. so this is very -- we just raised the age of purchasing cigarettes for god sakes to 21. the age to buy alcohol is 21. i think the age to buy a gun should be 21. and people could come with the caveats, well they could serve in the military. and i'll say the same thing about drinking beer between the ages of 18 and 21. but in the military, you have access to weapons, but the military deeply and intensely controls when you could have that weapon, when you could
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carry it and when you could have ammo. you don't get to take it home and put it under your pillow. so that is important for people to realize. >> and your trained as you know for months and months and months on how to use that and in some states you don't need a permit or any training to have an ar-15. as you watch this debate, both as someone who supports the second amendment and a republican and who served in the military and now someone who is inside for a few more months any way, inside of the united states congress, do you see any will, do you see any way that something will change here? different than after sandy hook when they said this changes everything and it didn't really. though some things change at the state level as joe said. is there any will, are there any republicans that you talked to that you know that say we can't go on like this? >> well, yeah. when i talk to them privately you know that is story, same as the trump issue. i got to say, to anybody that is in a position similar to mine that would take a vote on this, it is really hard to come out the first time and say we need universal background checks even
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though 90% of the fellow americans agree. to say we need to raise the age and do something about high-capacity magazine. but the second do you it and you get all of the text messages that are angry and then you get over it and feel liberated and talk to people and tell the truth. let me say that as second amendment defenders. the answer is not go out and stand in the middle of the michigan state house with an ar-15 because your tough and you could do that. it is actually to find responsible ways to make gun ownership for those willing to obey the law and locking up those that wouldn't, about locking up criminals and saying let's keep guns out of the hands of those that can't handle it. it is not to wear a half shirt and stand in the middle of a state building because you can. because you have right to open carry. and by the way, all of the states, like every state could make their own decision on this
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constitutionally. concealed carry, i'm a big supporter of. open carry is a weird thing when you're walking around with an ar-15. >> it is so bizarre. and the nra even used to say it was bizarre. and as david french said, david is a big second amendment rights guy, he also talks about how bizarre it is. and it also is why would you do that? just why would you do that? it just makes no sense. >> it is a fetish. it is a gun fetish. worships guns because somehow i think look at these social media accounts, it is people that, you know, maybe it is part of a mental health that don't feel their adequate, they feel less than they should, and so they have to pose with guns. and it is sad. and it makes it look cool. >> there is a lot of -- there are a lot of people doing a lot ever things and suggesting a lot
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of things to compensate for a lack of manhood. i wouldn't even get into the tanning aspect of this. >> oh, let's not go there. >> thank you. >> spare us. >> yeah, it is early in the morning. >> fox news alert. >> and a lot of people who question their manhood right now talking about doing some really, really bizarre things. >> so congressman, you're on the committee investigating the january 6 attack on the capitol and want to get your response to the new reporting we have this morning concerning donald trump and his reaction to the chanting that he heard from his supporters on that day outside of that capitol. the chant was hang mike pence. the following account from "the new york times" said according to two people familiar with the work of the committee investigating at tack reading from the times, quote, shortly after hundreds of rioters at the capitol started chanting hang mike pence on january 6, 2021, the white house chief of staff mark meadows left the dining room off the oval office, walked
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into his own office and told colleagues that president donald j. trump was complaining that the vice president was being whisked to safety. mr. meadows, according to an account provided to the house committee investigating january 6, then told the colleagues that mr. trump had said something to the effect of, maybe mr. pence should be hanged. it is not clear what tone mr. trump was said to have used. according to the times, at least one witness provided this account to the january 6 committee. three sources gave politico the same account for reporting that more than one witness testified that trump, quote, expressed support for hanging his vice president. and nbc news has not independently verified the claims in this reporting. a lawyer for meadows told "the new york times" he has every reason to believe that the account of what mr. meadows said is untrue.
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that is according to meadow's lawyer. >> that is a real problem, congressman. you have people that work for donald trump who heard what donald trump said. people who work for mark meadows who heard what mark meadows said and it seems that many of them were deeply, deeply offended. what could you tell us? >> i wish i could confirm or deny that since it doesn't come from the committee, i won't. but we'll have learings in june so we'll talk about all things related to this. but let me say on a little broader of that, there is no doubt that the vice president was in danger on january 6. with riots filling the capitol. and we're going to show how close that was by the way. there is no doubt that the number three in command for the presidency, the speaker of the house, was in danger. and all the way down the line. we were very close, closer than people realize, to basically a decapitation of government underneath the president.
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so imagine now a president of the united states deciding he's not going to leave and then people that would be number two, number three, number four all within striking range of rioters, of insurrectionists sh you could see the danger that we were in. we'll lay that out to people. and there is no doubt that the president has very little remorse because have you ever heard him express remorse? i haven't. >> let me ask you about mike pence being in danger. i heard from one of the mini accounts that we've seen in books and read about in papers about what happened on january 6th, that mike pence and his entourage may have been concerned with security, and with secret service and it took alternate steps to make sure his own people were with him. could you tell us, you could give us any insight there? >> look, i wish i. again it is something that i don't know what has been
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released officially from the committee on that and hasn't. so i'll just save it until june when i hope people watch the story from the beginning of to end. but, look, again, it is -- we never should be in this position. this is -- the united states of america where we spend billions of dollars rightly every year to ensure that we defend the line of secession of the president and the president themselves. if we end up in a position where that is in danger, where people don't believe that their vote counts or their told that democracy is rigged, democracy can't survive. it is is a serious. we're about to have in accountability and hopefully doj, this is outside of a digs by the house, doj takes a lot of the evidence and decide whether there is krirm charges on that. that is all i could say on that. >> congressman, thank you very much. and up next on "morning joe," we'll speak to a mother who lost her 6-year-old son ten years ago in the shooting at sandy hook elementary. she has a message for the families of the victims in
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41 past the hour. this morning we're learning more about the two teachers in texas who went far past their job descriptions. after irmy garcia andeffa were killed, shielding students with their own bodies. joining us now sam brock who on the ground in uvalde. sam? >> reporter: mika, joe, good morning. today would about v been the last day of school. tomorrow would have been graduation for uvalde high school. that is now postponed. now the 21 crosses that you see in the memorial over my shoulder, two of them are for two teachers. you mentioned irma garcia and
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ava morales, they are moms themselves and decided to jump into action to shield,sa said, their students from bullet that's were flying. a teachers said it is a combination of instinct and heroism. >> in the aftermath of anguish, a window into what true heroism looks like. irma garcia and eva morales sacrificing their own lives in an effort to save young students from unspeakable horror. the school listed the pair as co-teachers in the fourth grade who also shared a commitment to protect the kids in their class at any cost. morales's devastated daughter posting on social media, to the half that makes me whole, i'm so happy that people know your name and that beautiful face of yours and they know what a hero looks like. garcia's son confirming to nbc news the educator of 23 years with four kids of her own
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positioned her body to shield students. it is the kind of super human courage that is tragically become all too common in this country. >> you just do it because you're on automatic and that is your job. and it is your job to protect kids. >> reporter: melissa is np english and journalist teacher at margory stoneman douglas school in florida. she held 13 kids in a closet which is now the third deadliest school shoot egging in history. in response to the attack. hundreds of thousands of students called for gun control legislation. and in a march for their lives. yet she said governor has failed to enact real change. >> why should teachers be put in that impossible situation where they have to choose between shielding their students from bullets or going home to their own families. >> educators preparing for violence as if it is routine.
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>> the reality of being is teacher is making sure you're door could lock in case of a threat. >> reporter: this teacher identifying a safe place that is clear and accessible. a shift, putting the own us on teachers to protect classrooms full of kids. >> no one wants to give their life but the teacher is going to do it when the child is in danger. >> reporter: and if you talk to teachers right now, generally speaking, they'll tell me they are apoplectic that nothing happened after 20 children and people were massacred in newtown, after what transpired in parkland with hundreds thousands protests and perhaps again we may not see movement on capitol hill after yet another tragedy that could have been prevented. if you talk to teachers right now, that is what is on their mind. they don't want to hear more empty words. they want so see more change and change immediately. willie. >> as we ask them to put their bodies between shooters and their students.
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we saw it happen again there in uvalde. sam brock outside of robb elementary for us this morning. thank you. joining us now, co-founder and ceo of the sandy hook promise foundation, nicolle hockley. she lost her 6-year-old son dylan in the sandy hook shooting, and carol ann davis, about her experience raising two sons in newtown, connecticut, on day of and in the aftermath of that massacre. thank you for being with us. nicolle, so many of us thought immediately the other day about you and dylan and the other sandy hook families. we hope this would never happen again and yet here we are. first of all, how are you doing? how are the families that you have, this tragic community with, how are people in newtown holding up right now? >> i don't know about the town of newtown because i've been very, very focused just on my family and my support network in
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the last few days. since tuesday, i went into absolute shock and numbness on tuesday. i was an absolute emotional roller coaster and then yesterday my first thought when i woke up was that there are other families waking up today would don't even understand that the living nightmare that they're going into. so i've just been very focused on my work since then and trying to help where i can. >> i want to read a bit of your piece in usa today, titled my son never came home from sandy hook and my heart bleeds for texas. my son dylan, my beautiful butterfly was ripped away from me in the sandy hook elementary school shooting nearly 10 year ago. >> that day i sent tim ho school and i never came home. my heart bleeds for parents whose children are not coming home and for the families of the adults who also won't be coming home. i am overwhelmed with compassion for the robb elementary school community that will never be the same because of the void left by
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19 innocent children and two adults. whenever there is a tragedy like this, i am re-traumatized. i relive the murder of my son and his classmates and educators. the sadness and anger are crushing. with each new tragedy, i feel compelled to help to offer comfort as i write these words i'm prepared to travel to uvalde, texas, to see if i could be of any use to robb elementary school families and to the uvalde community. i will try to talk them through the unmanageable darkness of this moment and let them know that while it will cast shadows over the rest of their lives, even in the shadows, there can be hope. and nicolle there will be a time for hope. it is obviously not yet for those families. what can you say to them given your experience over the last decade? >> what i would say to them is to just look for those that are around you that love you and support you and want to be there for you and keep them close. because you need those loving members of your family or friends more than you'll realize
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and allow them to help you and respect that everyone's journey through this is very unique. so whatever choice you make, there is nothing wrong, there is nothing right, and each step you take forward is incredibly hard. incredibly painful. that won't go away. but you will find a way forward. it just takes time and you have to give yourself the grace to find it in your own time and space. >> carol ann, i want to read from your piece, but before we do that, mika said something yesterday that i think all of us at this table can agree with, when you're in the business of news, mika would talk about when she was a reporter in connecticut, covering the most horrific stories, the drowning of little kids, killing of little kids, just the most brutal murders and you had to report it and you had to go home
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and she covered 9/11, reported it. >> right. >> she went home. and she said her resistance, i know my resistance, i know willie and everybody's resistance, something broke with sandy hook that is all of the horrors that we reported every day, i -- it profoundly changed all of us. and we thought it would make a difference. that it would profoundly change others, what i am struck by here are the tragic parallels between sandy hook and what happened in texas a couple of days ago. you had a kid with an ar-15, shot a family member, went to school, got inside of the school, and if i remember collectly, at sandy hook they tried to get him out of the school. he got in the school.
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and the thing that kept even me as a father of young kids detached personally from this tragedy, but kept me awake at night. >> it again, i'd say nothing changes but it's getting worse. more guns on the street, more weapons of war on the street, more killings of our children. >> and what appears to be an acceptance. >> a kind of numbness, i think, has set in. one i remember on tuesday seeing nicole. she's worked every single day of the ten years to make a better world, to answer what our children demand of us.
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and it's difficult and it's brave to feel it, to feel it on tuesday the way nicole is feeling it, is harder than to numb yourself. and so i just want to point out that part of being an american right now is being emotionally awake to what our children are asking. and i don't think our children are asking for better tools inside the schools. they're asking for us to make childhood, childhood again. so, we've lost a lot in our effort to try to secure buildings. but we've also lost some of the spectrum of our emotional lives when we don't feel this pain.
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>> in "the atlantic," ten years after sandy hook, here we are again. the under 17 soccer league in newtown has been training hard. before news reached us late afternoon, sunshine, they were lacing up their cleats, taking another lap or last stretch. imagine these kids, my son and his teammates, then pan out to the jazz bad noodlers, ceramics at their will, gamers, discord, getting one more level in, kids headed to the pond to drop and align. all the freedom of being young, all the beauty of small town america, but that beauty like that, every newtown child knows, is all too easily shattered. that's the second thing crushing me on bhavl of the people of uvalde. i wish i could tell them they will be the last mourners, the last ones to suffer. but they won't, will they? >> well, you know, i wrote those lines and then i went to it the
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grocery store. and i saw a friend of mine who's very good friends with a family, one of the moms, and we both asked how she was doing. neither of us had reached out yet. and then she turned to me and said, i wish i could tell the people of uvalde they were the last ones, but they're not. and i had just written this piece, and i realized, that's what everyone in newtown was thinking. just the wish that uvalde would be the last one. that this would be the last place that nicole would have to go. >> nicole, mike barnicle is here and has a question. >> nicole, sadly, you're a victim as well as your son, dylan, was a victim. you live with the pain every day, and it's deep. my question to you is a simple
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one. if you could today get the federal government to do one thing to help stop these slaughters, not only of children but in buffalo, adults, just one thing, what would that one thing be? >> can i have three more wishes, please? it's impossible to think of one thing, but i guess if i had to focus it in, it would be, you know, get your act together. this is unacceptable. all the deflection and spin, you are being disrespectful to all the citizens of america. every constituent, every child who continues to die on your watch. you need to find a way to have a discussion and get something through on a vote. there are so many solutions available. not any one of them will change the issue of gun violence in our
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country. it's a multifaceted problem but at least you need to have the discussion and lean in and not immediately spin and deflect and hide behind lies because you are just exacerbating the problem. you're continuing the problem. and that is beyond shameful. so, that would be my message to them, is just stop lying and focus on the lives that you are effectively killing every single day. >> stop lying. nicole hawkly and carol ann davis, thank you both very much. >> thank you. >> thank you. finally this morning, the san antonio express news features a front page story on the many acts of kindness in uvalde following tuesday's tragedy. lines of people wrapped around the herby ham community center waiting to donate blood. some coming from dozens of miles away. others handing out homemade pastries to state troopers and first responders in the area.
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others simply offered hugs to friends, neighbors and even strangers. a community coming together in the face of evil. that does it for us this morning. jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage from texas after a quick final break. m texas after quick final break. entresto is the number one heart failure brand prescribed by cardiologists
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good morning. it's 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 pacific, 9:00 here in uvalde, texas. i'm jose diaz-balart. there is so much pain, among so many. want to show you "uvalde leader-news." this is the front page. the back page, with the headline, "city's soul crushed, claiming 19." this is a town marked by profound grieving and profound disbelief. last night a vigil was held here in honor of the 19 children and two teachers killed in tuesday's shooting here at robb