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liked because it's not the first time that of looked it up. that's wrong. we shouldn't be in the situation. >> senator tammy duckworth, thank you so much for him time for us, i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> that is all in on this thursday night, msnbc prime sides with ali velshi live from revolted excess good evening ali. >> chris, thank you, good evening, and thank you and home for joining us this hour. this picture is worth 1000 more, perhaps more. this is the you've all the leader news today. the date is may 24th 2022. this, of course, is the day, two days ago. it's been 48 hours killing 19 children, and two teachers. here, at the robb elementary school, in texas. today, another death. the grieving husband of one of the slain teacher says died. joe garcia, married to the teacher irma, collapsed, and i today, courting to his family.
he was preparing for the funeral of his wife of 24 years. they were college sweethearts. they were high school sweethearts. his death leaves their four children paralyzed. it is a reminder, as if this town needed one, the tuesday's tragedy is not over. the shockwaves will reverberate across this community in, countless ways, for countless weeks, months, and years. the raw grief among the residents here, of course, is no less than it was on tuesday. increasingly, the sadness is mingled with frustration, and anger, as people are unable to get them here on what they're happen to do here. it is over an hour before they were shot, and killed by law enforcement. they are trying to treat authorities as the massacre unfolded. in the aftermath of any horrific event, information is spotty. our understanding of what happens evolves over time, but even by those standards of
breaking, and developing news, the inability of officials to give a consistent, and coherent account of a key portion of the timeline of attack is, frankly, confounding. initial reports suggested, when the shooter approached the school, an armed resource officer, a school resource officer, exchanged fire with him. but, the gunmen was able to get past him, and into the school. then, yesterday, the director of the texas department of public safety said in a briefing, the school resource officer had, quote, engaged the shooter in some way, but not fired his weapon, and the shooter then entered the school. today, a different official is telling the washington post, and it is going to interview the officer to find out. the just an hour after that report, a third dps official laying out the timeline, and at the very end and as of aside,
this is what he said. >> going to mention, they want to clear up, they were coming out early on. they reported with the school district, the officer confronted the suspect that. it is inaccurate. >> nbc news. my question is, was there a school officer, on campus, and was that school officer armed? that is what we have been told. >> at this time, no. no. there was not an officer, rarely available this. >> that's an officer. >> i can't answer that yet, but i will circle back with you again, as we do that investigation. we have all of those questions, but i'll get back, with you certainly. >> there was no officer at all? or maybe? it was unclear. this press conference didn't
get any better from there. >> there is a 12-minute gap from when he crashes his truck, to when he enters the school. 12 minutes. what happened in that 12 minutes? >> you need to understand, 11:30 is the information we have at this point. we can confirm, 11:30 am, we can say, we got a crash, and a man with a gun. then you have the responding officers. that is what it is. if it's 12 minutes from 11:30, to 11:40, that's the information we have right now. at the end of the day, our job is to report the facts, and have those answers. >> they don't have the answers, and they are going to do it shortly after, and it is clear that they had answers for these reporters questions. let's make this clear, no one expects officials to have all
of the details on it. it is with the central question to the attack, outside of the school, and 11 pm on tuesday. we are told that they were into the school at 11:40 am, and was at least with an hour. an hour and a half before a tactical team. this team is in border protection, broke into the classroom, where the gunman had murdered 21 people. they shot, and killed him. today, new video has emerged, showing parents gathered outside of the school, during that agonizing period, arguing with police, who are stationed outside. begging them to go into the school, to stop the shooting. let me show you a couple of these videos, but let me be clear about what we do not know here. we do not know the original source of this video. nbc has been able to verify, through our technology, it was shot outside of rob elementary school, on tuesday.
but, we do not know what time the video was shot, and would also screwing on at the time. it is a law enforcement officers, and going into the school, and we don't know if other police officers were, in fact, inside of the school at that time. it is going to footage and graphic, and it's deeply emotional. take care while i'm watching. as a video begins, it seems the person filming it has just seen a law enforcement officer shove someone who appears to be apparent. >> it can't be like that, man. >> get across the street! >> because of having to deal with you! get across the street! >> we're not doing that. >> get across the street! >> okay, we're gonna backup, are you gonna walk into that gate and get him? >> [inaudible] >> you know those are kids,
right? little kids. they can't defend themselves. six-year-olds in their! they don't know how to defend themselves from a shooter. >> that's outside of the school, in a way, it is appearing to see, what appears to, be law enforcement officers from straining a man on the ground, outside of the school. it is a taser, and it isn't a crowd of parents, screaming as they learned, a gunman is in the school, with their children. they are begging they heavily armed officers, around them, to go into the school. again, we do not have the full context for these videos. we don't know who is in the school at the time. the anguish they reflect, here in uvalde, is confirmed by reporting from several news outlets today. the new york times, speaking to desiree, whose niece, was killed. she told the times, quote, when her brother, angel, whose her
stepfather, learned from a fleeing child that a girl named marie had been shot inside, he ran to try and reach his daughter, but was handcuffed by a local police officer. another man, telling the times, we were wondering, what was going on? are they going in? the dads were saying, give me the vest, i will go in. the police would say, get back, get back, active shooter. they were putting up caution tape, and people were cutting the tape. perhaps the most jaw-dropping, and it is here in the elementary. the wall street journal reports, miss gomez says the numerous parents are going to encouraging, and with more urn jim see with some law enforcement, to enter it sooner. after a few minutes, a u.s. marshals put them in handcuffs are intervening, in an active investigation. they convinced local police officers who she knew to persuade the marshals, to set
her free. she said she saw father tackled, and pull to the ground, and a third pepper sprayed, and quote. the texas department official is with these reports at the press conference. he would only say that those reports have not yet been verified. look, the point in raising him about the law enforcement response, certainly, is not to pick on officers who, may well have been brave in doing their best in an unbelievably stressful, and highly threatening situation. that law enforcement, more and more law enforcement, really, the only response to school shootings or proposed, or allowed, by the republican officials who and the state of texas. after the santa fe high school shooting in 2018, the state passed multiple bills to, quote unquote, harden schools. the uvalde school district doubled its security budget, and created its own police force, threatening assessment teams and each school.
when there is the scourge of school shootings, they are responding to schools better, and they show the credit. they have a lot of questions, and how will it worked. joining us now, in uvalde texas, is an investigative reporter by the austin american-statesman. thank you again for joining us. you and i have both covered these before. there are always a moment of confusion, so there are weeks of confusion about what led up to a particular gunman, making an attack. but, generally, there is not confusion about that detail, about what happens once the attack is underway. you have been digging into this. what do you fighting? what is behind all of these change statements, and the confusion? >> i think that law enforcement is just trying to unpack everything, as you mentioned. certainly, in and dynamic, fluid situation, with a lot of people involved in, a lot of responding officers, it is not unusual to have these types of discrepancies. but, one of the things that has really flagged the texas
rangers, the leading law enforcement agency, conducting this investigation, is just the array of discrepancies. between one witnesses, and what people saw of the shooting, are telling law enforcement, versus other eyewitnesses. there is quite a gulf between the statements from various people, and there are going to the go with the examination of the response and, they're trying to figure that out. they're trying to do that in a number of ways. >> you see this happen before, they were in southern springs together, authored in the small town, like this. you have layers, and layers of police. in this case, when you have the texas rangers the, you have local police, you have county, you have assisting agencies from other places, we had, customs and border protection officers, who stormed the place. obviously, the fbi, now involved. so, there is always a little bit of confusion. in a big city, where this one for police force dealing with
all of it, what is your sense of why they are getting different stories? >> frankly, it's perplexing. we are now on the second day, 48 hours later, from when this happened. and, the inability to, really, put together a concise, coherent narrative, really, is jarring. not only to those of us who are covering it, but i want to be clear, it is especially jarring, and upsetting to these families. obviously, they are grief-stricken. as we know, they are talking to crimes overtime. finally, they were beginning to comprehend the incomprehensible, as having clear facts. unfortunately, as we stand there tonight, they just don't have them. >> the with an nra meeting here in houston on saturday, we have republican officials, and democratic officials, screaming at each other. very much, in a way that typically happens when these things happen. but texas almost feels like ground zero for this
conversation. it has some of the most liberal gun laws in the country, and as a whole lot of people who really want those laws changed. >> i want to tell you, it's not just controversial at the capitol in austin. it is controversial right over there, and listening, and observing the conversations from people. keep in mind, this is texas, a gun friendly atmosphere, and also, very much, a back the blue atmosphere among some people, who really, can't even graph all the awendaw anything less than admirably. on that spectrum again, there another capitol, and here in the community. people are very concerned, and upset. at a minimum, they are clear answers, and they want them sooner, rather than later. >> i want to reemphasize, we already want to know what happened. we don't know whether the police did the right thing, or the wrong thing. really, it is a bit of confusion about the messaging.
i haven't met a single person here and there are people in their own guns, and texas, taking it away. it seems more nuanced in the population. but, there are people toward is with it on there to be done. i don't want people's guns taken away, but we found here is what they seem to be working. >> there's a question which, i'm sure if anyone had the answer to, we probably would migrate there, but, how do you get to that center? how do you strike that balance? obviously, when you look at this memorial behind us, you can't help but think, something, some compromise, has to be reached. >> do you sense that? you have been following this quite closely. it doesn't feel like anyone is moving, on anything, right now. >> i think one of the things that can happen, based on what people tell you, and would i observe, as a working journalist, is that india mediate after graph, and to
some, what they are saying, is almost doubling down of positions, instead of a softening of positions. who knows what the future may hold. >> thank you for being with us again. tony, the austin american statesman, the investigative reporter, joining us now a couple nights in a row. joining us, rapidly, the washington post columnist, and policing expert, as well as author of rise of the warrior cop. the militarization of america's police forces. rodney, good to see you, thank you for being with us tonight. we want to do is what they were seeing, and this is a south texas, regional director of the department of public safety. he was the person or viewers are watching in those videos. he was asked by the police officers did not storm the fourth grade classroom the suspected entered, why did they do that sooner? he said, that's a tough question. authorities, still gathering information on what the answer is today. they don't have an answer. talk to me about the protocol which hasn't changed since,
columbine, in which police go, and actively confront shooters. we have seen it happen more, than we've seen here. this perimeter set up, and then waiting for something to happen. >> over the last five or ten years, we've seen this protocol change, we're instead of waiting for a tactical team, the first responding officers with a lot of departments, and we have seen these officers have guns, which in a lot of cases, they are told to keep in the trunk of their patrol cars. the they were just in situations like this. there has been a standard training, of police officers around the country, and we have really seen an uptick in mass shootings. this was a failure. there are a lot of different narratives, and the stories in the police queue changing by the hour which was a problem. but, the town has a swat team.
it is a proliferation of swat teams, and towns, the size of 15,000 people, and it is a small need from the swat team. the responses, this. this is exactly the reason why the towns need a swat team. and yet, it is taking our for the shooter to be confronted, and for the shooter to reach the classroom, and it wasn't the swat team that did it, it was, customs and border protection. so, why have a swat team, if you won't use it? why spend 40% of your town budget on policing, in a situation like this, where people need to police the most? not only do they not get the protection that they, wanted to get harassed, and threatened. they care about their kids. they want to know what happened to their kids. >> talk to me about this customs and water patrol tactical team, that did, ultimately, go here the with the killer. we deserve estimation the police, where they end up as heavily armed as they are, as
militarized as they are. why customs and border patrol? why are they as heavily armed as they were, and why would they have been called into this? >> let's give them credit. they stopped the shooter, they acted heroically, and bravely, and they did what needed to be done. once they got their. this is a team or, a unit, within a customs border patrol, that has got a nasty reputation. we learned quite a lot from them during the george floyd protests, where they were deployed to handle the protests. in this case, they performed quite heroically. i think that those of us who think that swamp is over used, and that the police are over militarized, you do need a tactical team to respond to these situations. if you won't have them in every small town, in a very sheriff's department, which i don't think you should, you do need regional teams, that can respond to when, there is state police, or there is a federal agency. so, i think, in this case, they
performed bravely, and heroically. they took the shooter out. they stopped continuing to kill people. but, i still think, if you are a resident of the town, you need to ask, why are we spending 40% of our budget on policing? why do we have a swat team? what do we have a swat team that was trained, and visited the local schools to, learn the layout of the schools? they visited in full tactical cruel, to the schools in february, took tours, posted on facebook, how they were learning about the layout of the schools. so, what happened? why weren't they deployed? the answer is, it's a part-time swat team. a full third of the department is on the swat team. i guess 11 out of 35 members. so, when you have a part-time swat team you, cannot deploy on a moments notice. why have won it all? what we inevitably find, is that they are used to for trouble. they're not used for their primary justification, which is
events like this. >> bradley, thank you for your analysis, we appreciate it, a columnist policing expert, we appreciate your time tonight. as a nation grieves the loss of these 19 children, and two teachers, the rest the world is asking the question, why do america's political leaders let this thing happen? today, a reporter former british partners, sky news, put that question to senator ted cruz of texas. >> is this the moment to reform gun law? >> it's easy to go to politics. >> it's important, it's not the heart of the issue. >> i get that's where the media likes to go. >> it's not, it's where many people we've talked to like to go. >> the proposals from democrats, and the media, inevitably, when some violent psychopath murderous people -- >> a violent psychopath, who can get a weapon, so easily. an 18-year-old, with two ar-15s. >> if you want to stop violent crime, the proposals that the democrats have, none of them would have stopped this.
>> why does this only happen in your country? really, i think this many people around the world, they just cannot fathom. why, only in america? why is this american expect exceptionalism so awful? >> i'm sorry you think american exceptionalism is so awful. >> i think this aspect. >> you know what's, you have your political agenda. god love you. >> senator, i just want to understand why you do not think that guns are the problem? >> why is this just an american problem? >> it is just an american problem, sir. >> >> just an american problem. in just a minute, i'm gonna talk to the man who tried to unseat ted cruz in this last election, now running for governor of texas. democratic candidate, that o'rourke, says we can do something about gun violence in america, and in texas. my interview with him, next. the nterview with him, next. nterview with him, next. th which is kind of lit if we are talking... literal... ha ha.
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on a national level when you ran for president, when you ran for statewide office, in congress. for people who don't follow it as closely as you do, what is the most effective change that they can coat for. that is the thing that they can reduce, on those coming out on a semi weekly basis, talking about mass shootings. >> the only thing that will change, this political power. you leave the same people, in the same officers, and expect a different result, and you are crazy. you are going to get more of the same. >> that was texas democratic candidate for governor, beto o'rourke, talking with reporters here in uvalde.
shortly after that exchange, i asked him is that texas voters are in november. >> this is how they represent their values. what they're trying to say is that, too often, we dismiss folks to others who belong to a political party. all republicans are, this or that. all democrats, this, and that. i'm just saying, the majority of us in texas, which includes republicans, and democrats, want the right thing. their values are on reflected by those in power, who continue to ignore this slaughter we are seeing in our schools. and, yes, it does so happen that are on the ballot, and our for common sense gun laws, who refuse the right to choose, and it was who the into love, and what they love. democrats are for what they think allows the state to fulfill its promise, and its
potential. but, when they meet with a ten-year-old girl who was shot, and killed, two days ago, as i did, they will tell you, that girl will never will live to her potential promises. she was the most happy girl, the most talented girl, and they will never get there. you have to vote like our lives depend on it. clearly, the lives of these kids depend on it. i just need to make that case to the people of texas. to ensure they understand, there is an option right now, and it doesn't have to be a near future. this isn't our fortune, this isn't our faith. this is on us to do this. in texas history, there are so many examples of people, who stood up, who stepped up, in over years, and decades, been able to achieve the big, important thing they were fighting for, against tough odds, and ultimately, they got
their. that is scores of people of texas right now. we cannot give up hope we have to stand into the spare, we need to stand, and fight. >> what then? with a country that has led the abortion restrictions, and discriminatory transgender laws, and now, with guns. how do you feel you move the needle on this? aren't texans prepared to say, enough, we won't go down that road? with republicans who are on the wrong side of these issues are on the rocks are the issues here. >> there will be a reckoning, and an accounting, on the 8th of november of this year. i just want to make sure, every texan have the opportunity to make the choice. asking the people are working on this campaign, meet, and their fellow texans, without regard for party affiliation, passed voting history, and anything else.
it is going on what they want. >> they want to see change in texas, and what happened here in uvalde. joining us now, nicole hawk lee, cofounder, and ceo, of sandy hook promise. her six-year-old son, dylan, killed in the mashudu at sandy hook elementary school. dylan would have turned 16 this year. nicole, i'm sorry that we talk at these times for, joining us. they have been joining this fight for a decade. do you believe beto or rock, there will, and can be a reckoning this year? >> i think there can, and absolutely will be a reckoning. i always wanted to say that this will be generational change, and we've certainly never expected over the last decade and they have become this partisan, and this divisive, and i reckon on that
with this growing generation. my surviving son will be turning 18 at the couple of months, he will be a voter, all he's known his whole life is school shootings, active shooter drills. that is what this generation has experienced, and i believe that they will be the true reckoning to make the long term change. they will not expect this, and live with it every single day. >> on saturday, there will be a convention of the nra, the meeting, and they hosted the republican policies in the state. there will be republican politicians from all over the country. there it is a protection racket for people that will keep the positions on things. what is the model for success for punishing elected officials, who will not be reasonable goodness? because they are beholden to the nra? >> you have to vote them out. that's a very simple answer, and the problem is, we don't have tournaments. if this thing keeps continuing. use your vote, use your voice,
put the pressure on. these are elected officials that are supposed to represent their constituents. if they are not doing that, they should not be in office, plain, and simple. with so many people wanting common, gun safety regulations, people have never been political in the last couple of days have come out saying, that it was already having a conversation with this, and people like ted cruz are a little bit out of touch with what is going on with, america, right now. they need to be removed, and pave the way for people who, are actually, prepared to have conversations. but at least, come to the table, and have a conversation, for cry sake. that is what we need to be doing. >> that's what they've been telling here. don't think it's a minor conversation. it was the recipients who are receiving advertising, and support, for the nra. the nra support, and power, has dwindled a little bit.
when you say the people need to come out and vote for it, what does that look like? typically, it is money, it is resources, to take out these ads to, do these things. is that enough sentiment to do it? >> i think it is part of both. the nra's power has been dwindling, and there are people, and politicians, entertainers, pulling out of the nra convention. so, the nra leadership does not represent its membership. that is important to remember, as well. their money is not worth life. you cannot say that donations to a political politician are worth 19 children's lives, and to teachers. this is the value equation that makes no sense. it should not be about money, it should be about sentiment, and it should be about people making their note. what is a kind of america that they want to live in? if you're politicians aren't
delivering that then, what? >> you've gone through this. you are a mother who is gone through the horrible experience of losing a topic on violence at school. says that most people are not going to disagree with you, this is one of the most serious things are society faces. still, it is not front of mind for everyone. still, there are people who support solutions, like universal background checks, and red flag laws, in closing the gun show loopholes. still, they vote for politicians who oppose them, and it could not be the biggest issue for them. what do you say to those people, this is your child, living in school, has got to be the biggest issue for you? >> in the last two days alone, how many people have taken their kid to school in the morning, and, realized, had pause for thought? well much hard be safe today? if that is not keeping you awake tonight, if that's not a priority for you, i beg to understand what is a priority.
our children, our most innocent people in our lives, the ones that are supposed to put on the highest pedestal, it protected all costs, they have to come first. there is no future without them. they must come first, for all of this. >> thank you very expertise, ring it to us, the cofounder, and ceo, of sandy hook promise. thank you for your time tonight. just ahead, let me talk to a member of the valley community for this excruciating time. first, let's say some of the names of the victims of this horrific massacre. let me tell you a little bit about them. naveah turn ten in january. her family says she put a smile on everybody's face. a family friend says that 11-year-old miranda was fun, spunky, and smart. her brother was her best friend. he was also inside of robb elementary school at the time of the shooting. ten-year-old leyla won six races at elementary school day. they would listen affairs on,
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coroner, or medical examiner. the task of identifying the dead in tuesday's mass shooting, here, at robb elementary school, felt that to the justice of the peace. just to give you some context, before the shooting, the biggest number of casualties you've seen one time was after a car accident, killing four. i spoke to justice diaz, earlier today. i spoke to him about walking into rob elementary school where he, himself, had once been a student, to identify those who had been killed. >> my sense of urgency was to get the examiner everything they needed to release these victims as quickly as they could. it was very hard wherever the weather is with. that is really would hurt me more. normally, when someone passes away, at somebody's bedside, you're with them you, watch them, you're with them, you can kiss them, you can hug them.
you can do that. i hate that this person took that from them. >> how did you process that? for most people, thank god, they will never have to walk into a room full of dead children. >> well, when i was doing the investigation, of course, i could not tell who the children were. i knew the names, but it wasn't until i got home. i had a senior in high school, supposed to graduate tomorrow, an eighth grader with my wife. i got home, and they looked at me like, dad, i'm sorry for what you had to do. they know what i do. i talked to them all the time we. but then they started sharing the facebook photos of the people who hadn't seen their children. we knew all the majority of them. it breaks my heart. toward you think you're gonna go to sleep, you think you're gonna relax, you wake up early,
your mind still racing, but now, with these families -- >> i have work to do. >> yes, exactly, i came back. we've just been trying to do the best we can. we are staying strong, and it is part of the support staff for the family, and the community. this didn't just affect the school. it affected the whole town. everything is connected, like you said. this is a small community, everybody knows somebody, is related to somebody, that was affected. every child in the school district was affected. now what we need, is we need to appreciate all of the assistance that is being sent to us by larger cities for counseling, and they need to be there when all the cameras leave. they need to be here when school starts in august. with the school went out, they're going to ask for them. we need to be proactive, and
going out to them, or wait until we get to school, and to see how they are. this was traumatic. for everybody. everyone in the community. we it is just something you don't ever prepare for. >> it's something you never prepare for. that was the uvalde justice of the peace. it is the weight of the unimaginable loss. people have been coming to rob elementary school, this memorial aside me, all day, to pay their respects, and the flowers. look at the flowers that are there. look at the 21 across this. this is after the show, last night. there is one cross, each bearing the name of a person who is killed in the shooting. there's a texas ranger, literally, every 30 seconds, they walk up to put flowers down. there is a lineup of people, who are handing flowers to the texas rangers, complacent this memorial. coming up next, we're talking about the nra. it is still holding its annual meeting, here in texas, tomorrow. it is not the first time the annual gathering of the gun
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from where the shooting took place. the nra decided that the show must go on. >> a feeling that, out of respect for the victims, the national rifle association should not have held its annual meeting here, just 15 miles from littleton. the mayor had asked the group not to come. >> it was my hope that they, as an organization, would say that they don't think this is appropriate. >> some area business leaders took out a full page newspaper ad, not casting blame but asking for understanding. >> the nra did scale back its convention from three days to just one. they removed billboard ads and canceled gun exhibits. but pulling out altogether? out of the question. so, as thousands of nra member showed up for the group's business meeting, thousands of protesters marched from the capital to the convention site, a few blocks away. 8000 people protested outside the and are a meeting in denver that year. tomorrow, the nra is holding its annual meeting in houston, just three days after the mass
shooting here in uvalde, texas. texas senator cruz and ex president trump are scheduled to speak by the loudest voices may be outside. groups like moms demand action and indivisible houston and houston's black lives matter chapter and others. it's shocking to learn that the nra has had two annual meetings disclose in both time and proximity to major mass shootings. but it makes sense. the meeting is annual, the shootings are far too common. but that is not why i wanted to direct your attention back to batten or a convention in denver 1999. it is worth focusing on the convention because it had seen incredible audio unearthed by npr. it gave us a window into what the nra, ostensibly a member lead organization, thinks about its own members. this audio is of the leaders of the nra debating whether to still have their annual convention after the columbine shooting. they ultimately decide to scale it down, remove the exhibit
halls -- which could lead to pictures being taken and bad optics -- and just have the speeches and members meeting. this is one of the key lobbyist for the nra at the time, talking about why scaling back might be a problem for them. >> if you pull down the exhibit hall, that's not going to leave anything for the media except the members meeting. and you are going to have the wackos, with all kinds of crazy resolutions, with all kinds of -- they'll be dressing like a bunch of hillbillies and idiots. and it's going to be the worst thing that you can imagine. >> that's right. the worst thing this lobbyist, from the nra, can imagine, is what he called the and ra's own idiot, hillbilly members. they haven't had an annual meeting for the past two years due to covid. but the last meeting was in 2019. it was consumed by inviting. the president of the organization was forced out by
its board. its longtime ceo, wayne lapierre, was nearly ousted in a vote of no confidence. the source of the drama? if you are an nra member, you may have noticed that the fundraising efforts were becoming more and more desperate. this is an email to members from ceo wayne lapierre. quote, the second amendment cannot survive without the nra. and the nra cannot survive without your help right now. but at the same time, the nra had reduced spending on its avowed core mission on education, safety and training, to less than 10% of its total budget and public reporting is showing all sorts of fun ways that that money was being spent instead. $39,000 for one day of shopping in beverly hills for the ceo, wayne lapierre. and $200,000 for transportation for a two-week trip to the bahamas over christmas for the ceo, wayne up here. and this one never ended up materializing. with the wall street journal got its hand on documents confirming that the nra was
going to buy a 6 million dollar mansion for wayne lapierre. and that is just wayne left here. it turns out the lots of board members were being heavily assisted by their member donation piggy bank. remarkably, wayne left the air is still the nra ceo. he will be in houston tomorrow and while the organization may tout itself as one designed to the second amendment rights of its members, the facts tell a different story. in the wake of sandy hook, the violence policy center discovered that the gun industry donated tens of millions to the nra, with nearly 2002 dozen gunmakers lining the organizational coffers. while the nra's only spending 10% of its money on its actual core mission -- and then a little on top of that for wayne lapierre's lifestyle, the one thing it is serious about, and does spend money on's messaging. that's messaging that helps gun manufacturers keep selling more guns. so, when you see images coming out of the nra meeting tomorrow -- and video of crowds of people cheering on donald trump and
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oxford high school in michigan, earlier today. hundreds of students filing out of the school to honor the 21 people including 19 fourth graders, killed at the elementary school in you volley, texas yesterday. hundreds of kids marched to the football field, where they formed the shape of a you with their bodies, you for you validity. and the students at oxford know all too well the consequences of shootings. at whitefish bay high school, there was a walk out, protesting gun violence in schools across the country. students in woodland hills, california, shouted enough is enough, as they walked out. and students in rhode island did die in in front of the rhode island state house.
they laid like that for three minutes. in missouri, students walked out to protest the lack of legislation to curb gun violence. one student said, with a sign, i want to feel safe, written in red paint. students walked out in spokane, washington, in falls church, virginia, in maplewood, new jersey. and thousands of students left their classrooms in the middle of the day to say that they have had enough. and that they are tired of the inaction on gun reform policy. they are tired of hearing for their lies while they try to learn. and that they are done. they want us to pay attention. they want the adults empower -- the adults who can vote -- to stop failing them. the question is, will we listen? that does it for us tonight. it is time now for lawrence, with lawrence o'donnell. and lawrence, that question that the students are proposing, it's a good one. they are done. will we listen? when we do something about? it >> yes, you mentioned the students in oxford, michigan. we'll be joined tonight by michigan student mallory mcmorrow. who was,