of the day to say that they have had enough. and that they are tired of the inaction on gun reform policy. they are tired of hearing for their lies while they try to learn. and that they are done. they want us to pay attention. they want the adults in power -- the adults who can vote -- to stop failing them. the question is, will we listen? that does it for us tonight. it is time now for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. and lawrence, that question that the students are proposing, it's a good one. they are done. will we listen? when we do something about it? >> yes, you mentioned the students in oxford, michigan. we'll be joined tonight by michigan student mallory mcmorrow. who was, actually, not allowed to speak today in the senate in michigan. so, she will speak here, tonight, about her feelings on this. >> we need to give voice to the people who want solutions, that are prepared to do something. i look forward to seeing the interview, lawrence. have a good show.

>> thank you. >> it is time to die. that is what the murderer told children his before they started shooting them in their classrooms. it is time to die. with the official dispensers of information, by governor greg abbott, told us at. they didn't tell us that. there it is going to go with an eyewitness. an unnamed, nine-year-old boy. his parents didn't want him to be identified, but allowed him to be interviewed. the boy hid under a table that was covered with a tablecloth. that is why he's alive. a tablecloth. it had blocked the murderer from seeing this nine year old boy with under the table we. >> there was a door in the

middle, he opened it, and he came in and, he crouch a little bit he said, it's time to die. when he shot, it was very loud, and it hurt my ears. when i saw the bullets on the floor, it was real. >> it is time to die. we it was real. the boy was hiding under the table with a friend, and he saw his teacher get shot, and killed. he saw another classmate getting shot, and killed, by the government, as the police approached the classroom. >> i was telling my friend, he is going to hear us. he said, call help, if you need help. then, we got one of the purse people in my class to say help. the guy overheard her, and he came in to shoot her. then the cops barged in, into that classroom, and the guy shot the cops, and the cops just started shooting. >> if that sounds like bad

police work to you, that the police, in effect, caused a little girl to be killed because they encourage the children to say help. that is not the only possibly bad police work that day. but the, police department has located 1. 2 miles away from the school, and it took 14 minutes from the 9-1-1 call, for police to arrive at school. they could've arrived in three minutes, but they didn't. governor, greg abbott, went to uvalde texas yesterday to have, literally, the biggest press conference we have ever seen in the aftermath of a school shooting. state police officials there, and fellow representatives where there, the lieutenant governor was there, both of those states where there, and they were all there to support the story that governor abbott wanted to tell.

the story he wanted to be true, but, now we know, that it is not really close to true. >> officers with the school district approached the gunman, ended engaged with the gunman at that time. the government entered the back door, and they went down two short hallways, and then into the classroom, on the left-hand side. the gun men entered that classroom, and the classroom was connected, internally, to another. border patrol consolidated officers, gps, and sheriffs officers in the classroom. the border patrol officer killed the gunman. >> he left out, it was the time that they wanted their, and in the hour. they left out the police officers on the scene, and refused to go after the gunman

for an hour. greg abbott, and the republican elected officials, at that news conference, including a local mayor, and it is a simple, clean the story of a couple of good guys, stopping the bad guy with a gun. they need that, because that story is the republican policy for dealing with school shootings. that make sure that american mass murders of the best equipped mass murderers in the world. then, second, when one of those well equipped mass murderers, with an ar-15 shows up at a public school, the good guy with a badge, standing, presumably, is going with a bank card, and will pull out a handgun, immediately, shooting, and killing, the mass murderer who is alive at the school. that mass murderer is going to arrive with body armor now, we know that. everything is wrong with that republican plan. everything. republicans have extended their plan to include the idea that the two teachers who were shot, and killed in their classroom

at that school. both should have had guns. instead of losing their bodies to, try and protect children from bullets, they should have been up, and on their feet, and aiming their guns, their handguns, at the mass murderer with the ar-15. the republican plan is the teacher, eva morale us, and teacher, for ursula, should have been doing with the police showed up at the school, and would not, or could not do, or were afraid to do. the police story about what happened at the school follow part today. it fell apart because it was a false construction design, with this idea. they were blamed for mass murderers, in our schools, and should be on a school security occurrence, you don't stop the shooters, or, should be on public school teachers who

don't bring guns into their classrooms. then eovaldi texas says their own police force. they trained for events like this. as usual, for people involved, dealing with first-time events and their lives under pressure to, the training fell apart in the face of reality. that is not a problem unique to police work. the first time human beings try to do something difficult, they usually don't do it well. none of those police officers, who spent an hour at the school, knew what to do for variety of reasons, including, that they had never had to do this before in their lives. so, remember that, when senator raphael cruz, who stood silently behind governor abbott yesterday, tells you, teachers need to bring guns to their classrooms. teachers who have never fired a

bullet to the human being in their lives. teachers who have never had to handle a handgun under pressure. teachers, who could never be as well trained because the use of firearms, and law officials. those are the people who, senator cruz, wants to be able to get into battle, wants to send them into battle, with mass murderers, who ted cruz, will make sure, we'll always be armed with assault weapons. assault weapons, that senator cruz says, the founders of this country wanted mass murderers to be able to buy, at anytime. they wrote that straight into the constitution, according to senator cruz. none of it could ever work. none of it could fortify public schools with armed security guards, and armed public sick you'll then -- dozens and dozens of law enforcement officials, federal, state, local, we're at the school and bullet professed, with years of training, and experience, and there was nothing they could do, or they

would do, or that they did do for one full hour. it is not because they are bad people, it is because they are human. governor abbott has a lot of people to fire tonight in texas, including the utterly incompetent, highest ranking law enforcement official in texas, the director of the department of public safety, stephen mccraw. obviously this is a situation that we felt that where >> we didn't prevent this mass attack. but i can tell you that those officers who arrived on the scene, who put their lives in danger, they saved those kids. well, he failed. and there is no evidence yet that they did actually save other kids. we now know, parents from outside of the school for an hour, screaming at law enforcement to do something, to do anything, screaming at them to go into the school. many parents said, they would go to the school themselves, with a police arrest parents, and push them away from the school. they said that law enforcement

officials, actually, handcuffed a mother who is complaining to them. governor abbott should be firing. also, victor, who was the regional director with the department of public safety texas. there is a press conference today, and describe what happened at the school, when clearly, they did not know what happened at the school. they told that story without reading a carefully composed, written narrative of events, as he should have. that is a professional way to do it. instead, he stood there, and he improvised. he did that for memory, from faulty memory, he went back and forth and time, and was lost, and couldn't continue an answer. he said, repeatedly, we will circle back to you. they were forced to correct, told by his boss, yesterday. here is what steve mcgraw said,

yesterday. he went towards the west side of the compass, which was a back door. as we was approaching, there was a brave, consolidated school district resource officers that approached him, engaged in him, at that time. gunfire was not exchanged. the subject was able to make it into the school, as the government reported. brave? he must know him. or talk to. and because he decided he was brave. the story of a brave officer who let the gunman entered the school? that was weird enough. in today's version, under questioning by nbc's tom jonas, that brave officer seemed to

disappear. >> was there a school office, or on campus, and was that school officer armed? that is what we've been told. >> at this time, no, but there was not an officer available, readily armed. >> was there an officer? >> no. >> nothing. i can't answer that yet. i'll circle back with you. >> when he was asked the big question of the day, could something more have been done? his answer was, that's a tough question. it shouldn't be. but he felt that was a tough question. they didn't even attempt to answer. that was a tough question. according to the incompetent people, with this investigation of governor abbott. that officer, who had known counter whatsoever with the gunman, might not even exist. yesterday, the gunman was shot, and killed, by a border patrol

officer, according to the story today. the police spokesman, employed by governor abbott, was so lost is with the gunman getting their shot, and killed, twice. >> approximately an hour later, u.s. border patrol tactical teams arrived in the mid entry. to shoot and kill the suspect. the shooting of a county deputy, and a uvalda police department that was injured. they went, and they killed the suspect. >> u.s. border patrol, shoot, and killed a suspect. you've all day police department, and they killed the suspect. fire that man.

fire that incompetent. they cannot do anything right. republicans, like greg abbott, cannot hire the right people to deal with the disasters that they create. we've never seen law enforcement incompetence, on display, with the highest levels of law enforcement with it. what have we seen in texas this week, when greg abbott has not seen the investigation. greg abbott wants to hide as much is harming the republican theory about how to handle school shootings. so, greg abbott will not fire the people it was getting with this investigation. you've all day, 18 years old. buffalo, 18 years old. parkland, 19 years old. houston, 17 years old.

sandy hook, 20 years old. columbine, 18 years old. and 17 years old. greg abbott, and texas republicans, have made sure that when a mass murderer in texas has's 18th birthday, he can go out, that day, is a weapon of mass destruction. he could go out that day, the day he's turned 18, to buy his ar-15, and that is exactly what this murderer did. because greg abbott wanted to let him be able to do that. the murderer, legally, purchased two assault weapons after turning 18 years old. all of the children, in that school, all of them, would be alive today if greg abbott and, senator cruz, in the texas legislature, did not make sure that 18-year-olds can, legally, by assault weapons in texas.

greg abbott, and the texas republicans, made sure that when a mass murder returns 18, it is time to die. leading our discussion tonight, nbc news national correspondent, and retired atf special agent in charge of msnbc terrorism. can, let me begin with you, because i know that you are watching this news conference today. i saw your tweeted comments about it, immediately after which, which felt understated to me. but, for you, it was a strong statement. i am not sure you have ever seen anything like what we saw today.

>> i was flabbergasted. i am trying to give these police officers the benefit of the doubt, there is certainly a fog of war that is developing our own these mass shooting incidents. but, here we are off the incident. there is the community, and all of the key participants, and they don't know key facts. so, i was really just dumbfounded, because on the issue of school resource officer, that was their third story about that. an initially, they there's a police action called rapid deployment, and essentially it holds that you should go in with whatever force you have. >> that was in some ways

scandalous enough or problematic. to some critics. but now we found out that that person doesn't exist. when the gunman entered unimpeded. that's one level of very troubling developments that this public agency can get the story straight. now you can't rely on anything they're saying. more troubling is what you delved into deeply there, which is the 16 minute gap. because as you many people may know, after the columbine shooting in 1999, the doctrine or mass shootings really changed. because they waited too long. they decided in that incident. and most mass shootings happen really quickly. within 12 minutes most of the people are dead. so there's a police doctrine called immediate action rapid deployment. essentially holds that you should go in with whoever force you have, whoever is there with a gun, get in there and try to engage the shooter. and in fairness they did try to do that according to the latest count we have, but they were

repelled. because they had handguns and he had a weapon of war. and i feel like it is fair to say that is an uncomfortable narrative for some of those republican politicians on that dais yesterday. you didn't really hear much about that. but that is a key factor in this whole situation. those officers that tried to russian immediately were repelled. and then they found themselves waiting for 60 minutes for the tactical team to come. let's give credit where credit is due, there was some hair was matthew and they're the border patrol officers, also some local police officers, that was the confusion that you referenced. there were local police officers in the stack. they call it a stack. person at the head of it had a ballistics shield. those people were incredibly brave and they risked their lives. the person in the league was shot in the scalp. put 15 bullets in him. and that was 60 minutes later. because even if most were killed at the beginning, would about the people who were wounded and bleeding?

one of those families thinking right now about their children, and whether they had a chance to survive if police had acted more quickly? there may be a good reason why they didn't, but they owe us an explanation. >> there is a new, possible, training element that they can bring to children in american schools, who live under this threat. because, one of the little girls, who was in that classroom, who had survived, played dead. she pretended she was dead, and she covered herself with blood from a friend, who was bleeding, who was still alive. a live, and bleeding. she covered herself with her friends blood, so that she would looked at. that friend of hers, in fact, did die in that time, in that classroom. jim kavanaugh, that is something that they may want to add when they are trying to tell kids in america how to stay alive in their classrooms. republicans might want to suggest that to them. cover yourself in the blood of

whoever is near you, and the florida classroom. because, republicans, who are in control of these outcomes, legislatively, in washington, are not going to do anything to prevent the next ar-15 from getting into a school in this country. >> you are right, lawrence. they have ice water in their veins there. they're not gonna do anything on gun control. you could get 1000 kids in american schools, and there would be no votes for gun control on the hill. that's the way it is. the failure -- >> but we learn today what stood out for you? >> well, the press conference, really, was awful. i need to agree, i with these press conferences, i've had to speak to the national media, and sometimes, before those, i would say, go bring that detective in here, that you said did that, and i want to talk to a person before i tell the media what happened.

if i wasn't sure about the facts i was getting. when he was shooting at the killer is naturally with the killer and commanders can't operate that way. you don't speculate him, you don't speculate them, and it's confusing with the press, is confusing the citizens who have lost loved ones. so, that was bad. they are also not outlining, i think, probably because some of them don't understand, really, with the failures where. they have just been reporting with new studio spot on. these officers were brave. the first three officers from the uvalde pd, the first patrol officers who, went into the same with those rifle bullets. those four officers and their, they engaged some of them were wounded, but they reached the breach point. this is a systemic failure in american law enforcement. we need to figure it in policing.

we're sending people in with the rifles, they can't breach anything. i saw this in virginia tech, and with the doors, we saw it at the amish school in lancaster where, he barricaded the door, and killed the kids. i was at one of these active shooter training's, and the stack was coming in, and i just locked the hallway door. it blew the whole training. everybody was trying to get their rightful, their best, to move in a triangle, and that was able to get it. to change that, they need some breaching tools, they need some protocol, if they encounter mark doors. get the hook and ladder their, which can be there in three minutes, and those firefighters, the hook and ladder, they can get into any door. hydraulic tools, solids, and you protect them with your rifles if you haven't prepared your department to do it. you need to get into the door. so, that's a failure. i don't think they understand that, and they're trying to say, what was the hour delay?

well, i think, myself, was the hour delay. i think the officers were there, they were up to the barricaded, locked door, and they couldn't get in. they didn't figure out to get the key, until after. >> that's the point, right there. kevin, before we go, i heard carrie sanders reporting, earlier, on this network, that in the end, simply, it was going to the principles office, and getting the key. >> that's correct, lawrence. frank said, in his experience, local police departments, generally, have a master key to the school. in this case, they didn't, and schools have been reinforced against active shooters, on ironically enough. once they were closed and locked, it became an impediment to officers. i still think there are other questions beyond the door. why didn't they go to a window? really, it does feel like as much as the door, they were armed with handguns, initially. he was armed with an assault

rifle, and the other question i have, is if you volley has a swat team, in that headquarters, a mile away, where were they? why did we have to wait an hour for a border patrol, a federal agent to come, and take the initiative to get in there to kill the shooter? >> greg abbott has scheduled another press conference, tomorrow afternoon, and eovaldi. we will see how many of these questions, if any, actually, get answered. jim, cam, thank you both for starting off our conversations tonight, we really appreciate it. >> you bet. >> coming up, michigan again today, so they ended their session early to prevent her from speaking publicly about the republicans devotion, their commitment, to making sure that american mass murderers are the best equipped amassed murderers in the world. senator mallory mcmorrow, joining us, next.

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republicans ended their session early for the second day in a row in what our next guest calls, quote, a cowardly attempt to silence democrats from speaking on the senate floor about the slaughter of children in texas. this is the speech that michigan state senator mallory mcmorrow, who will join us in a moment, wanted to give on the senate floor. >> back in november, after a school shooting rocked our community, an oxford high school dad called my office, sobbing. he explained his wife had not eaten and had barely moved. but he felt he had to try to

keep them together, which is why he called me and why he had already been in touch with parents in parkland to try to figure out how to move forward and learning that you cannot. never fully. i told him, i cannot imagine what you are going through right now. while watching news coverage of the shooting that left 19 children dead, i heard people say the same thing -- i cannot imagine what these parents are going through right now. why do we say that? because it feels selfish to try to put ourselves in their experience. it feels proper to keep a distance, to give them space and time to grieve. but what if that is the problem? what if an attempt to be polite makes it far too easy to distance ourselves, to not feel their pain? and to keep it abstract and reduce the urgency of the issue?

you have been called to this moment to do something. do not say that it is impossible. don't say that we cannot do anything. don't say that now is not the time. because, as i said, in november, following oxford, the only thing that i know for sure is that doing nothing will not stop this from happening. it will not stop this one or the next one or the one after that or the one after that. >> joining us now is democratic state senator mallory mcmorrow of michigan. and democratic state representative chris turner of texas, chair of the texas house democratic caucus. senator mcmorrow let me begin with you. what are your hopes tonight for what might be possible in the michigan legislature? >> what i hope is possible is that we vote out all of these republicans who are standing in the way of sensible gun reform. we have been putting up dozens of bills for years. not just in response to the oxford high school shooting. they have blocked every single one. my message is that this has to be a single issue for voters. and that we have to vote them

out. >> representative turner, governor abbott is going to have a second attempt at a press conference in uvalde, tomorrow. would you like to ask him? >> when are you going to do something? three years ago, we demanded after the el paso shooting that left 23 people dead in a walmart that the governor call a special legislative section, work with democrats and republicans to pass common sense legislation. he did nothing. he waited for the moment to pass and moved on. so, when is he going to do something? when they see going to show some leadership? that is what i would ask. >> senator mcmorrow, what was it like for you to have one of these incidents so close to home in oxford michigan? >> for the past 48 hours since seeing what happened in texas, i've been texting back and forth with a constituent of mine, a teacher at oxford who lost one of her kids. and it is just devastating. i lost someone i grew up with in the virginia tech shooting. the more people i mean to share this experience, this is the

new shared american experience -- it is devastating for our country. >> representative turner, republicans and texas seem to believe, as we do, that this will happen again. and that this will happen again in texas. they are so confident in that that they are talking about the ways to fortify schools. and how to fortify and make sure that there is someone with a gun at the school, possibly at the entrance of the school. that's despite the lesson of uvalde that it doesn't matter how many guns you have. it will not work the way you think it will. and even though you have all those guns running into the school after the shooter, the shooter was still able to do what he wanted to do. >> yeah. and those are not new ideas, by the way. if you go back several mass shootings, 2018 in 2019, republicans in the legislature brought forward their ideas to target schools invest more in school safety and resource

officers -- by the way, those were bipartisan efforts. we think those are good things. but it is a very incomplete answer. if they think it is the whole answer, then why didn't those things work? they were done three years ago. we passed legislation three years ago. we have got to address the gun issue in this country and in the state. that is the only way we will end this. >> texas house democratic leader chris turner and michigan state senator mallory mcmorrow, thank you both very much for joining the discussion tonight. >> thank you. >> coming up, guns don't kill people, bullets do. the uvalde mass murderer was aiming able to use high capacity magazines that democrats outlawed. and then, when republicans took power, they made them legal. that is next. crunchy outside, chewy inside. ♪ tums, tums, tums, tums ♪

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(music throughout) in 2004, a republican congress, president george w. bush agreement let the assault weapons ban expire. it had been on for ten years. the law passed by democrats, in congress. the band included a prohibition on large capacity magazines, and anything further than ten bullets. the mass murderer, at robb elementary school, had 7:30 round magazines with him. 210 bullets. murdered 19 children, and two teachers. i will repeat now, what i said, in 2011. after the shooting of congresswoman gaby giffords,

and tucson, arizona. i blame the murderer for the first ten borders, and blame the law for everything after that. joining me now, democratic congresswoman, abigail of virginia. she's a former cia officer, and former federal law enforcement officer. thank you very much for joining us tonight. i was quite struck by something you said yesterday about that period. and a magazine above ten, and with us, it is something that the federal authority could resolve. >> lawrence, when i first began my career as a federal agent, that was when this law was still in prey's. i had magazines, mark for law enforcement use only. so, just reflecting on the reality that large capacity magazines to contribute to the massive number of fatalities we see across the country. this fares out in numbers and

within 1990, and 2017, it was a 22% higher death toll for the mass murderers that utilized a large capacity agony and. you mentioned the shooting of congresswoman, gabriel gifford 's, and of course, they were able to tackle that murderer when he stopped to reload with. someone who is there, in the moment, when he stopped to reload, is when they were able to tackle him. we know in parkland, students were able to escape when the killer stopped to reload. it's a vital reality it is a good samaritan, or a law enforcement, to have their ability to flee. at least 41 rounds were shot, in fewer than 30 seconds in las vegas. it was 100 rounds in ten seconds. the level of lethality in these large capacity magazines are

tremendous. it's an important element, from this law, from 1994, 2004. certainly, i remember, firsthand, my magazine was different. i was trained to utilize that firearm, i was in a position of trust. i swore an oath to the coast who should, the protect babies, a political institution, with a government issued firearm, and government issued large capacity magazines. >> a stand-alone bill, trying to get it in the united states senate, is trying to ban magazines above the capacity of ten. >> there will be traction on that. certainly, any limits on march capacity magazines, again, is part of the assault weapons ban of 2021, that has been introduced this congress, that was introduced as well as the assault weapons ban of 2019.

i think that that could be an important step forward. it is a large capacity magazine with the mass murderer events is over, and they were shooting these people. so lawrence, i recognize, we are talking about how to limit deaths, but, we are in a circumstance where every option, for how we can save lives, when we are witnessing babies dying in classrooms, and elderly citizens who are at a grocery store, on a beautiful saturday afternoon, will there show food for their groceries. we need to do something. when we look at the types of firearms that these choose will use, and it was a weapon of choice. go into the federal law, it is going with a handgun. this is the result of the law, that is keeping up with the technology in for the marketplace. they need to raise that limit, but there was a stand-alone bill to do that. the loss is yet to be 18 to get a handgun, and 18 to get an ar-15. extreme risk protective order, certainly, we saw after

parkland florida, and to be signed into law, into this extreme risk order, it is friends and families of a community they know that something is wrong. law enforcement can take no action, if there are not laws in the books that say, when something is in a potential point of crisis, with the authority of the law, that persons firearms can be temporarily restrained for their own safety, and the community safety. holy legally, with due process, recognizing that states that also have gun violence restraining orders and place have lower rates of suicide by gun, have lower rates of domestic partners, frequently

women, being murdered by ballistic domestic partner, it was also the death of law enforcement. when someone is in a point of crisis, surely, we have seen mass atrocities, but in most cases, they turn the firearm on those closest to them, themselves, and the law enforcement officers who responded to those emergencies. limiting large capacity magazines, raising the age at which one can get an assault style weapon, if we are not taking the full step of putting a full production stoppage in place. and, utilizing federal legislation and the stuff that they would take with those lives, and i would urge my colleagues, and the people across the country, to recognize this. saving the future families from the horror that so many families in texas, and new york, are feeling right now, as well

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testimony that details about donald trump, really felt, about the attack on the capital. the new york times reports, shortly after hundreds of rioters at the capitol started chanting, hang mike pence, on january 6th, the white house chief of staff, mark meadows, left the dining room of the oval office, and walked into his own office, to tell colleagues, president donald j trump was complaining. that the vice president was being whisked to safety. mr. meadows, according to an account, provided to the house committee, on january six, then told colleagues that mr. trump said something to the effect of, maybe mister pence should be hanged. joining us don't, daniel goldman, who is a majority counselor for donald trump, he

is a former assistant u.s. attorney in new york, and an msnbc legal analyst. we won here, is the quote about maybe pence should be hanged. but, there is a parked there where donald trump is complaining -- complaining, that the vice president was being whisked to safety. being brought to safety. what do you make of that part of it? i have very little as to say other than that is sociopathic. i mean to actually be rooting for your own vice president not to be taken to safety so that he would be subject to a mob that was screaming, hang mike pence. it is impossible to fathom from the president of the united states. >> what does it mean, on an evidentiary level? what does it tell you as, you're sifting the evidence of donald trump's involvement in all of this, when you come

across this, in the middle of the evidence? that he is saying, that he is complaining about the vice president being brought to safety. , it reminds me also about the point that he made with kevin mccarthy when he was telling him to stop. he's a, well kevin, maybe they like me more than you do, or something to that. effect and it was almost taunting these people, but the evidence value that it shows is knowledge and is intense. he cannot claim that he did not want to overturn the election when he was sitting there rooting on the insurrectionist. so, all of this information goes into, you know, a big bowl of intent and knowledge. and, he will say, oh, well i said you know, don't be violent when i was in the ellipse. and i qualify everything that i said for the previous two

months. but, then when you just throw in all of the other indications and statements and comments and actions that he made that show that he knew that it was a lie, he pushed the lie and then he rooted for the insurrectionists who interfered with the electoral count. all of that goes to his intent. i am very interested to see if we will hear from a witness who will say that, at the public hearings for the january six committee. that would be an incredibly powerful testimony. daniel goldman, thank you very much for joining us again tonight. >> my pleasure. >> we'll be right back. >> we'll be right back namel repair. [sfx: ding] [message] hey babe, meet us at the bottom of the trail. oh, man. hey!

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control after talk of bipartisan action. what would that even look like? and 23 years since the massacre at columbine. the former principal joins me to talk about his efforts to help communities heal after unthinkable horror. that's as the 11th hour gets underway on this thursday night. good evening once again, i am stephanie ruhle. tonight there are new questions about what happened inside that texas elementary school, were 19 young children and two teachers were killed on tuesday. nbc news reporting that texas investigators now say that victims of the shooting were found in four separate classrooms. meanwhile, details are emerging about the police response and the specific timeline of the attack. tom llamas has more on that timeline. >> authorities say the gunman crashed his grandmother's truck at 11:28 am. witnesses reported seeing carrying a long gun and a bag. he fired at two people outside a funeral home while before