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and that they are tired of the inaction on gun reform policy. they are tired of hearing for their lies while they try to learn. and that they are done. they want us to pay attention. they want the adults in power -- the adults who can vote -- to stop failing them. the question is, will we listen? that does it for us tonight. it is time now for is time now for >> a no count from police from the all-day texas. from why the doors of the school were unlawful, to why it took one hour for police to take down the killer. plus, we have more stories from survivors and their parents. from a girl who says that she smeared blood on herself and played dead. to parents who say that they rushed into the school themselves to save their children. and the unspeakable tragedy
compounded for one family. a husband dies from a heart attack days after his wife, a teacher, was killed in the attack. >> good morning, welcome to way too early. on this friday may 27th. i'm jonathan lemere, thank you for joining us. we begin with the latest from uvalda. some of the key details provided by the texas officials in the first 48 hours of the attack have turned out to be an accurate. here is what has changed. texas officials first said that the attacker exchanged gunfire with a school resource officer before entering the school and then later said that the school resource officer engaged with the attacker, did not exchange gunfire. and yesterday officials changed the story. saying in fact that there was no school resource officer at all and that the killer walked into the school through an unlocked door, on obstructed,
and simply began firing. the amount of time that the gunman spent outside before entering the building is also changed. we were initially told that after he shot his grandmother, he fled, crash the truck outside of the school and then ran inside. but yesterday officials say that after he crashed the truck, that part remains the same, he got out, fired towards two witnesses who were at a funeral home across the street, then walked to the school. climb the fence to enter a parking lot outside of the school, and began firing at the school building. officials say the 12 minutes from when he crashed when he entered the school, those 12 minutes could have saved lives. there is also a discrepancy of where the victims were found. it was initially reported that the gunman spent an entire hour inside a single classroom and
that all the victims were killed inside of that one. room. nbc news has now learned from texas officials that the victims were found across for classrooms. so here is the new timeline from texas officials about what happened right after the gunman entered the school and began shooting. >> four minutes later, local police departments, you've all day police department, the independent school district police department, are inside making entry. and they hear gunfire, they take rounds. they move back, get cover. during that time they approach where the suspect is that. officers are, the initial officers say gunfire. they don't make entry initially because of the gunfire. we have officers calling for
additional resources. everybody that is in the area. tactical teams, we need equipment, we need specialty equipment. we need body armor. we need precision riflemen. negotiators. during the time they are making those calls to bring in help, to solve this problem and stop it immediately, they are also evacuating personnel. students, teachers. he says that in our past until a tactical team arrived in shot and killed the suspect. yesterday nbc's carrie sanders asked what else police were doing in that hour to save lives. >> you say that at one point when he was inside there, among the things that you were attempting, was he responding to negotiations and in that period of time was there continued gunfire?
>> during that time, according to the information we have, the majority of the gunfire was in the beginning. i say numerous, more than 25, there was a lot of gunfire to begin with. during the negotiations, there was not much gunfire, other than keeping the officers at bay. once we analyze the video. according to the information, he did not respond. and joining us now is nbc's wendy -- thanks for joining us again. a lot of shifting stories from the police, and questions, angry questions from some in the community. from parents who lost their children. it was the very latest, how are people there in this devastated town reacting to the police are saying. which seemingly changes by the day. >> jonathan good morning to
you. you know the emotions are so raw out here. and these new details are certainly making things even worse. we spoke to one family, a mom and dad. who had just seen their ten year old daughter at an honorable ceremony. she was given a certificate for being a good citizen. making on a roll. only to leave her and then 30 minutes later get a call of what had been happening. what i find to be interesting jonathan is that family was an off-duty sheriff's deputy for the county of you've all day. and so to imagine that he would have been responding to this shooting had he not been at that event. that ceremony at the school. you can imagine how he is feeling. the last time he saw his daughter was at that ceremony, only to find out that she had been killed within the next hour. the mother we spoke to was
grappling with a fact that indeed that this new school building behind me, the outside door was unlocked. so that shooter was able to enter without being obstructive at all. we are getting's answers. originally we were told that he took on fire from an armed school officer. and that did not turn out to be the case. and so it is really hard to believe. that is only adding insult to injury. unfortunately jonathan, we all know that none of these answers can bring these 19 precious children back. or the two heroic teachers. but in some way might start the healing process. unfortunately we keep getting different details as huge day goes by. it's certainly not helping things out here. >> unimaginable for the families of those who are lost. in the same states, not three
miles away, a national rifle association is holding its annual conference in houston. we know for president trump is still going. but governor abbott of texas says that he won't be attending the conference now. that came out late last night. what's the latest and any of the texas lawmakers scheduled to return. ? >> confirmed that texas governor greg abbott will not attend the annual contests ventured for the nra over in houston. instead saying that he is going to come and visit members of the community of uvalde. he is going to meet with local law enforcement and first responders. as well as families of those who have lost loved ones. and those who survived jonathan. he wants to be that consoler. the person who goes and reaches out, instead of going to that convention. we have not heard whether
senator ted cruz or any of the other high ranking officials in texas will skip that event. we have heard though that there are entertainers who have chosen not to attend. however, the governor does plan to address via video. but he will be at this town trying to console a community that is really just grappling with some unimaginable pain. not only today, not only tomorrow, but next week and next month. those first funerals are set for next week. >> we will certainly be watching to see who does attend the nra event. the post tests specht it outside. nbc's wendy wofford, thank you so much for being with us this morning. a family grieving the loss of one of the teachers killed and you've all day as suffered another tragedy. the family of irma garcia, saying her husband joe died of a heart attack yesterday. garcia reportedly visited his
wife's will morial earlier in the day. when he got home and quote, pretty much just fell over. that is according to the couples nephew john martinez. martinez also wrote on twitter that his uncle passed away due to grief. joe and irma garcia were married for 24 years. they leave behind four children. the youngest of whom is just 13 years old. we are so sorry. we are also hearing more about what happened inside robb elementary on tuesday from students who survived the attack. here are some of their accounts. >> i hear shoe. trying to shoot the officer. they ran past. went back inside. >> what were you thinking as you were hiding in that bathroom for so long? >> i think i was just trying to be still. not talk. i was just crying in my head.
just don't make no noise. >> everybody was scared. we were all panicking, because we didn't know it was really happening. what we saw were thousands of police and patrol coming into the cafeteria. and we were all hiding behind the stage in the cafeteria when it happened. >> i got really scared and i did not know who was hurt or dead. and started looking around on facebook. and then i realized that all people i knew were dead. how many? >> i know all of them. >> those poor little terrified kids. scared of a gun. the aunt of another young girl, leah, who was in the classroom where the murders took place, says that her niece resorted to drastic measures in order to stay alive.
>> mia got blood and put it on herself to pretend she was dead. she saw her friend full of blood and she got blood and put it on herself. >> can you even imagine? >> president biden the first lady will travel to texas on sunday to meet with families of the victims of the tragic elementary school shooting. during the white house briefing yesterday, press secretary said that they intend to speak with community and religious leaders during the trip to eovaldi. also emphasizing executive action that the president has taken to address gun violence. saying now that he is pushing for congress to act and pass common sense gun reform. >> this president has done more via executive actions that any other president during their first year of office. and now we are asking for, is for congress, we are urging them to take action.
as the president said the other, night why are we willing to live with this carnage. why do we keep letting this happen? >> where in god's name is our backbone. and so i ask how is protecting our children a partisan issue? how is preventing innocent people from being slaughtered controversial? >> we will have a lot more on the shooting as the show rolls on. but let's get some other headlines, including the latest timelines for one score shelves could be stalking with baby formula. plus, a legal loss for former president trump, means that he now has to testify under oath. plus, we are going to remember the life and career of the actor who passed away yesterday. way too early is coming right back.
dreams as that. he was 67 years old. nbc news correspondent gaudy schwartz has the details. >> as far back as i could remember, i always wanted to be a gangster. >> in the history of hollywood tough guys, ray liotta could play them all. the flash of his baby blue eyes that would pierce with violence and goodfellas. phil with wonder as they did in field of dreams. his publicist confirming that 67 year old ray liotta passed away in his sleep in dominican republic, his unexpected death coming after the release of the many sites of newark. sitting down with willie guys last fall and telling him that he was happiest with family. >> i just like staying home with my fiancée watching tv. >> liotta leaving behind his fiancée and daughter carson. as well as friends and costar's
like robert de niro and joe pesci. liodice career spanning more than four years, staying in family favorites like operation double trump. to blow and john q. even winning an emmy in 2005 for guest role in the television series er. a hollywood icon as unforgettable as those shining eyes. who passed peacefully in his dreams. >> actor kevin spacey's facing new sexual assault charges. british prosecutors announced that the american beauty actor faces four charges brought by three different men. he crown prosecution service says that the charges followed a review of evidence gathered by metropolitan police. authorities say that three of the elected incidents occurred
in london between 2005 and 2008. and a fourth occurred in western england in 2013. the new charges were announced as the two-time oscar winner was testifying in a courtroom in new york for a civil lawsuit. spacey was first accused of sexual assault in 2017. he was removed from starring role on netflix's house of cards as allegations against him mounted. former president donald trump will be required to give testimony under oath. a panel of judges unanimously denied the former presidents attempt to block subpoenas. for testimony from himself and his two eldest children. ivanka trump and donald trump junior. that's part of new york attorney generals letitia james civil investigation into his business practices. lawyers arguing that ordering him to testify violated their constitutional rights because their answers could be used in a parallel criminal investigation. the appeals court sided with
the attorney generals office, finding that civil tax fraud investigation appears to have been well founded. a lawyer for the trump family says that they are considering the family's decision and could decide to appeal. >> tough news here, baby formula shortage will likely not be fully resolved until july according to the head of the fda. during a senate health committee hearing yesterday, fda commissioner doctor robert caleb told senators it will take time to get to a point when shelves are again fully stocked. caleb said that he also expects there to be an eventual surplus of formula. adding that there may be consideration to create a federal stockpile to prevent shortages like this one from happening again. still ahead, senator ted cruz storms away from an interview when pressed about why the united states has so many mass shootings. we will show you the exchange he had with a british reporter. plus, two major league baseball
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group of senators has been holding informal talks about new potential gun safety legislation. democratic senator chris murphy the reading voice on this issue is spearheading the effort along with richard blumenthal. they're both heavily involved in the failed efforts to pass a background check legislation in the wake of the sandy hook school shooting a decade ago. in attendance at the meeting yesterday were a number of democrats, including kyrsten sinema, martin heinrich and joe manchin. republicans who joined were suzanne collins, lindsey graham and pat toomey. senator bill cassidy, another republican join by phone. we also know that minority leader mitch mcconnell encouraged texas senator to meet with the group.
mcconnell said that he plans to keep in touch with democrats in hopes that lawmakers can reach a deal that can quote pass and become law, rather than just scoring points back and forth. one senator, ted cruz, attended a vigil yesterday for the victims of the massacre in texas. well cruz was there, he was interviewed by journalists from british sky news and was asked why mast shootings like this only happened quote, in america. here is what happened. >> why does this only happen in your country? i think that's with many people around the world, they just cannot fathom, why only in america, what is this america exceptionalism so awful. >> so you think american exceptionalism is awful. >> i think this aspect of. >> you've got your political agenda. god love you. >> senator it's not. i just want to understand why you do not think that guns are the problem.
>> it is just an american problem sir. >> why is america the only country that faces kind of mass shooting? >> you can't answer that can you sir? >> why is it that people come from all over the world from america. because the, freest most prosperous, safest country on the earth. >> ted cruz literally ran away from those reporters. nice job by them. new york yankees in tampa bay race yesterday dropped usual game coverage that appears on their social media accounts and the teams played an open air of a four game series in st. petersburg. but their twitter accounts, and still talking about the game highlighted 11 statistics on gun violence in the united states. each team also linked sources on their accounts to places like the cdc and the department of veteran affairs. and instead of highlighting the double digit strikeout
performance by nestor cortez, the yankees posted about firearms. really in cause of death for american children and teens in 2020. and that quote, when i'm assault weapon is using a mass shooting, it results in six times as many people shot than when other guns are used. another tweet noted, this every day more than 110 americans were killed with guns. and 200 are shot with injury. other posts point out that an average of foreigner 45 buttons die of firearms susan every year. working out to be about 12 veterans per day. another one, every three hours a young black man dies by gun homicide. the rays also said that they pledged a $50,000 to a gun safety advocate group. and added quote, this cannot become normal. we cannot become numb, we cannot look the other way. we all know that if nothing changes, nothing changes. as you all, know my favorite team plays in that division.
same as the race and yankees. and can certainly applaud both teams efforts last night. still ahead, russia tries to make a deal to lift sanctions. moscow says that it will allow ships carrying food to leave ukraine imports, but only in exchange for economic relief. we are going to go live to ukraine for the very latest on the ongoing war. we'll be right back. t on the ongoing war. we'll be right back. my asthma felt anything but normal. ♪♪ it was time for a nunormal with nucala. nucala is a once monthly add-on treatment for severe eosinophilic asthma
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blame the west for the growing food crisis. a senior russian official says that putin will allow ships carrying food to leave ukraine, only if sanctions are lifted. and in response, united kingdom accused russia of holding the world ransom. ukrainian ports in the black sea, which is now completely controlled by russia, have been blocked since the beginning of the february invasion and this is left more than 20 million tons of grain trapped in the country. and many of those ports are now also heavily mined, making passage nearly impossible. this is causing a global food crisis as many countries rely on ukraine's wheat, corn and sunflower oil exports. in, why ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy has called for imposing even tougher sanctions on russia, including for the european union to fully ban russian oil. and gas. joining us now live from kyiv, is nbc news correspondent erin
mclaughlin. good to see this morning. you have some new reporting today about russian troops going full force in eastern ukraine, escalating attacks, shelling. anything in sight. making it harder for anyone to escape. however, somebody did get out, and you talk to them. tell us more about we are seeing on the ground there. >> yeah, that's right jonathan. was speaking to a senior ukrainian official who told me that they believe we're seeing right now is the full force of the russian military barreling down on twin cities. in the luhansk oblast says, saying that they are absolutely massive amounts of showing right now. round donetsk in particular. i was speaking to a ukrainian civilian and aid worker who just fled the city. saying they were being bombarded, seemingly from all sides there was a humanitarian catastrophe brewing inside of the city. it's a city of about 100,000. 10,000 civilians he said
believed to have remained. was told to shelter in place and instead decided to get on the road bike and cycle out of the city to save his life, despite the fact that the only road out was constantly being shelled. take a listen. >> you are on a bicycle, how did you manage to escape? >> i did not know that the rim was under constant shelling. the bridge between severodonetsk was damaged. across the river and then later the same day, the bridge was totally. destroyed >> now ukrainian officials tell me that if russia is successful in taking those twin cities, essentially argument at that point the whole of luhansk oblast, which will help them in their effort to take the battle for donbas. ukrainian officials tell me they are holding their own, but if luhansk, owes russia will
use that for momentum. jonathan? >> yes the russian advance in so many places has stalled. and on officials said they are making some progress there in that part of the donbas. we just came into this segment talking about sanctions and russia is saying, if you lift the sanctions, we will allow some of this grain to go through. but meanwhile, ukraine is saying, we are running out of weapons and this is the moment where we need to be heavily armed. so else is ukraine asking for from its allies? >> speaking to that senior ukrainian official, he was expressing his disappointment. said that the united states had promised to provide ukraine with everything that it needs for a victory. said that at this point, therefore short of that. for example, he said that currently they have 80 american provided howitzers in countries. saying that ukrainian officials have been asking for hundreds of howitzers. and that they are looking for
multiple rocket launching systems to be provided by the united states. u.s. has yet to commit that. they won't self propelled howitzers. u.s. is yet to come to that. my colleague at the pentagon, courtney qb, reporting that there is a reluctance at the pentagon to provide some of those heavy weapons systems. that ukraine officials are claiming that they absolutely need to win this fight, because those weapons systems have the capability to reach into russia. and again provoke the situation even more, but ukraine officials telling me right now, we are seeing unfold in the donbas's and artillery war. and the side that has the most powerful weapons, the weapons that can go for this, weapons that can move the fastest, is the side that is going to win. and ukraine officials are warning that right now russia is outlining and outlining the ukrainians in the donbas arena. and with? >> those close to help to only increase if russia makes that progress. really good stuff, and bc's
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seeing that the retailers are really struggling stateside with these higher cost of doing business. high gas prices, logistics prices, supply chain disruptions, but good news overnight, this was actually from dollar tree and dollar general, some very strong reports there. macy's and nordstrom as well. strength in the retail sector in the states, which is really propping up the markets as you said. firmly in the green for this friday session so far, in europe the u.s., futures tipping towards positive at the moment. let's hope they can hold, up because it would be the first positive and for the u.s. markets in many weeks. >> yes, fingers crossed there. some more may be good news there, fewer americans applied for jobless benefits last week as the number of their fellow citizens collecting unemployment benefits remain near historic lows. but what does that tell us about the labor market? >> this is one of the most days interesting data points to track. it might not sound, but during the pandemic, there were so many people claiming jobless
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of the show. law enforcement has attempted to clarify the timeline of the response to the mass shooting in uvalde. and it comes as several parents have been criticizing what they saw outside, the elementary school during the attack. javier cesar, as whose fourth grade daughter jacqueline was killed by the shooter, was among the dozens of parents outside of the school after finding out that there had been a shooting. telling the new york times that law enforcement is
misrepresenting what happened. saying that they said they russian and all of, that we did not see that. he says that he saw police officers evacuating children, but grew angry when he did not see officers entered the school immediately. so czars went on to say that there were plenty of men out there armed to the teeth that could have gone in faster. this could have been over in a couple of minutes. he also claims that it took 15 or 20 minutes for long enforcement officers to bring protective shield needed to enter the school. rose gomez, whose children were in the second and third grade, she told the wall street journal that she drove 40 miles to the school after learning about the shooting. she says that she was one of numerous parents who began encouraging first politely, then with more urgency, the police and other law enforcement to enter the school sooner. gomez told the paper that u.s. marshals put her in handcuffs. put her in handcuffs.
tell her that she was being arrested for intervening in an active investigation. she says that she found some local officers that she knew, who convinced the marshals to set her free. but most says she seven got distance from the crowd, jumped the fence, went inside the school herself, found her two children unharmed, and rant of the school with them. videos all over social media yesterday, showing distraught parents outside of the school confronting law enforcement. other family members have already claimed that they were detained the in handcuffed. u.s. marshals yesterday putting out a statement, denying that anyone who was put in handcuffs outside of the school. going to be a lot more to the story. helping us to sift through is nbc news correspondent julia ainsley. she joins us now, covers the department of justice and homeland security. julia, we are really glad you're with us today. we know the stats, that most active shooter attacks in america and within five
minutes. the attack on the school children, in uvalde lasted an hour or more before the gunman shot and killed. what is the very latest that you are learning from the response of law enforcement? >> content that's right, it seems that the shooter had absolutely free reign inside of this classroom where he locked himself. we understand that a lot enforcement tried to get through this door of the classroom. it was locked, they needed to go get a key from the principles office. there are numerous things that take a lot of time. but one of the most important is how long it took to you can get to that point. what we are learning now is that it took cpp officers, those are from two units, the tactical team, trained a lot like your special forces. but now in the field with them before. they respond to a lot of trauma and emergencies. those people came in. it was only at that point that they were able to form what they call a stack. that is law enforcement who go in like a cluster formation with somebody at the front holding a ballistics shield.
that is when they're finally able to get inside and confront and killed a shooter and we understand that by the time he died, he actually had 15 bullet wounds to his body. meaning that there were a number of them shooting. it's difficult to say who actually delivered the fatal shot. but it took that long and gear, people to come in. it even took, we now understand, an hour for that team to come. i'm told these aren't people sitting in one place at one time. they have to assemble before they're called. apparently, local and state law enforcement did not feel they had the resources to go in until they arrived. unfortunately, that time took an hour, jonathan. >> we know a situation like this, every minute matters. one of the children who died didn't die at the scene, later died at the hospital. if that child had gotten to the hospital sooner, maybe things could have been different. there's growing anger about this changing timeline the law enforcement officers are presenting. the story they gave us yesterday almost unrecognizable to what
they had said a few days prior. including a school resource officer who, initially, they said was there and confronted the suspect, and now doesn't seem to exist. how can you explain these changing stories? >> you really can't explain it. yesterday, the way they tried to justify it is, oh, there were false reports out there about a school resource officer. those false reports, jonathan, came from these very officials who were explaining it just the day before. we thought there was a school resource officer who was armed but the shooter was able to get inside anyway. now, it seems the school resource officer, whoever that might not, wasn't there at all, and the doors to the school were unlocked. he basically walked in unimpeded whatsoever. then we understand now that there was actually a 12-minute delay, that the shooter crashed his truck in a ravine 12 minutes before he walked into the school. we thought at first he had been pursued by law enforcement because, remember, he just shot
his grandmother before coming to the school. the question is, were law enforcement following him? they had a call from the grandmother. if they did not, if they were following him, why were there 12 minutes between the time where he crashed his truck and was allowed to go into the school? we understand that he -- it was known that he was armed walking in. what happened during this time? also, why are they now changing from 40 minutes between the time where they reached out to those units i talked to to now an hour? there's so much unanswered -- so many unanswered questions, particularly around the amount of time it took to respond to this terrible tragedy, jonathan. >> yeah, there's going to be an extremely amount of scrutiny on the response from law enforcement, as well as, of course, the ongoing debate about the suspect having a weapon of war. nbc's julia ainsley, so glad you're with us today. come back soon. up next, potential for legislative win for democrats ahead of the midterms. we're get into that.
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joining us is co-founder and ceo of "axios, jim vandehei. good morning. what is the axios 1 big thing today? >> good morning, jonathan. joe biden needs an election year win, and there weren't a lot of opportunities for that. we're hearing overnight that joe manchin is reviving hope that there could be a very slim version of build back better. something that would focus on energy, climate, child care, tax
credit. the trick here is he'd also want to make sure that there's tax increases to go along with it. an ace in the hole that he says he might have. he might be willing to do this with just democrats. do it through reconciliation, which would allow them to do it, which is democrats. it's probably still unlikely it could happen, but joe biden now has hope that it could happen. >> white house aides, though, probably will express skepticism that joe manchin will play ball this time, since he's frustrated them in the past. you mentioned the midterms. the issue will be the likely overturning of roe v. wade. we expect to hear from the supreme court in a month on that. axios has reporting on this, that there is a near extinction of an anti-abortion democrat. there is a democrat in congress who still has this view. who is that, and when did this become a defining party line? >> it is astonishing when you look back at how the parties
change. you go back 30, 40 years, and there were a lot of democrats who were on a different side on this. now, you have a party that's unified, other than one house texas democrat who is willing to go against the party on this. could be why you see joe biden and other democrats feeling why this could be an issue that could motivate the democratic base. if you're joe biden and you're democrats, the things that worries you is most people lock in their vote around summertime. it is hard to change perceptions between summer and the actual vote in an off-year election. history has shown that throughout time. they need something to energize the party. look at what's happening in georgia, these primaries. we're seeing a huge surge in republican enthusiasm, the number of people voting. you're not seeing the same thing on the democratic side. whether it is gun control, whether it is abortion, or if they could revive something with manchin, though i don't think it'd be as energizing for the democratic base, that's what they need. democrats are so worried when
they look at this, you know, you talk to them as much as we do, you talk to them and they're like, they don't see hope for holding up the house. they don't see the -- a lot of them are worried they'll lose the senate. if you have joe biden going into his final two years of his presidency with a republican congress, that's a recipe for getting almost nothing done. remember, go back to the top of what we were talking about, even to get build back better in a slim version done with all democratic control, they control the house, the senate, the presidency, even that is proving how difficult it is. so post-election, there's just this sense of what will we do if we have no power? how do we show that we are able to do something substantive when we had control of the presidency? >> of course, now the ongoing debate as to whether anything will possible change on gun control as we head into november, as well. jim vandehei, thank you. we'll see you again in a few minutes on "morning joe." thanks to all of you for
getting up "way too early" with us on this friday morning and all week, on what has been a dark and difficult week for this country. we will, of course, have continuing coverage on that this weekend and next week. "morning joe" starts right now. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, may 27th. this morning, a new account from police about the response to the school massacre in uvalde, texas. it is leading to new questions about why it took 1 hour for police to take down the killer, and why the doors of the school were unlocked. we're also hearing more stories from survivors and their parents, including a girl who smeared blood on herself and played dead to avoid getting shot. a fourth grader. also hearing from parents who said they rushed into the school themselves to save their children, not waiting for police. and the tragedy compounded for one family, unbearably. the husband of one of the two teachers killed in the shooting dies from a heart attack just