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the fight is over. the grieving process for me has just begun. because there's nothing left to fight for. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. k you for watching welcome to the show. i'm polarized. i'm in for zerlina maxwell. eovaldi texas heartbreak is now mixed with anger after more details have emerged after the massacre that killed 19 children and two teachers. we now know, from texas law enforcement officials, that the attack by 18 year old gunman who was armed with the rifle lasted about one hour before he was killed by officers. one hour. that is how long it took police at the school to wait for
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backup and then move on to the gunman. one hour. video shows a parents pleading with police outside of the school to go in and stop the attack. they were pushed back. we know that after the massacre was finally over, victims were not found in one or two classrooms. they were found in for classrooms. some of the most chilling accounts of what happened in the school are coming from children, like this fourth grade boy who spoke to a cbs affiliate. >> we have a door in the middle. he opened it. he came in and he crouched a little bit. he said it is time to die. when he shot, it was very loud and it hurt my ear. when i saw the bullets on the floor it was real. >> you heard that. the shooter told him it is time to die. there is an 11-year-old survivor. they spoke to a cnn producer. the media reports that she's so traumatized she will not speak on camera and would only speak to a woman producer. >> one of the teachers got an
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email that there was a shooter in the building. they went to the door, and he was right there. they made eye contact. >> the shooter made eye contact with the teacher? >> he shot out the window in the door. mia says it happened all fast. he backed a teacher into the classroom. he made eye contact with the teacher again, looked around the eye and said, goodnight. he shot her and killed her. he went through the door to the adjoining classroom. at that point, me i could hear screams. she heard a lot more gunfire. she had a friend next to her that was already dead and laying on the ground bleeding out. she put her hands into her friends blood and smeared it all over her body. she wanted to seem and look like she was dead. she was scared that he would come back through the adjoining door into the classroom and she
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wanted to be able to play did. >> think about what's mia did. this little girl took blood from her friend who was bleeding out, smeared it all over herself, and then played dead. yes, the shooting was over in uvalde but the tragedy and grief is just kicking in. yesterday, the husband of one of the two teachers killed collapsed and died himself while he was preparing for his wife's funeral. they had been married over 20 years. they had four children. she was only 48 and he was only 50 years old. joining us is a texas mother who lost her child in another school shooting. rhonda hard's daughter, kimberly vaughan, was one of the ten people killed at the high school shooting in santa fayette, texas, a four years ago. she was 14 years old. thank you so much for being with us. i really appreciate it. >> hi. >> you have been living this reality not just this week, not
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just ten days ago, but every day since we lost him. how are you processing everything? >> i am very mad at this school shooting. i have set a bunch of times, lately, that greg abbott and texas leaders should promises more school safety and more gun safety after our santa fe shooting. they say that ours would be the last, the first and last school shooting in texas. clearly, they lied. here we are. it is exactly four years later. we have had a much more deadly shooting. >> you're mad. you are enraged. and there are so many parents in uvalde, especially after the images and recordings we have seen, of how some of the parents were pinned down. they were handcuffed and yelled
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that by officers, while children were being slaughtered. when you have seen these images, if you have, what are your reactions to this? >> i remember i was a parent and a school district employee when our school shooting happened. at some point, i went down closer to the building. i tried to talk, i did talk to officers. they were adamant that i could not get in there because stuff was going on. at no point did they ever put their hands on me or push me down or anything like that. i'm a typical white lady. that garners a little bit of respect, i think. >> privilege. >> privilege, that is what it is. let's be honest, these are black and brown children. we know how texas leadership feels about black and brown children. >> rhonda, i think that's a
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question in so many people's mind. had the parents been white, would they have done this? >> exactly. >> you do feel something similar which is, years ago, you also felt like you are in the dark, in a way. you are not given answers. you are not given information to piece everything together. i think a lot of parents in you've all day are feeling the same thing. they are in the dark. what do you think they need to know right now? water informations that they should be looking for? >> so, it is a 12 hour window from first shots fired to identifying victims. i can tell you that. this is from other mass shooting victims. i can tell you that these parents will probably not be allowed to have autopsy reports from the examiner, as long as the investigation is underway. for us, it has been for years now. they will not know where their children have been injured unless they call and speak
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directly to the medical examiner. they might be able to give them a general of where your child was shot? how many times. i would not advise that they would call right away. i would not do that. >> why is that, rhonda? >> it is very troubling. it is very upsetting to know how many times your kid was a shot. i would recommend that they do that later. right now, there is so much in the flood of grief that they cannot see street. >> look in the expect? again, from miles away from where you have lived through, people are still in shock. it almost feels surreal, i am assuming. look in the parents and the community expect in the coming weeks and months? >> for parents, especially, they can probably expect to have a lot of.
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pain my trauma manifest as physical pain. my hair falls out. they can expect to not eat or sleep regularly. they can also expect, because this is texas, everybody is so much in this constitutional extremism with the second amendment. you can expect that these parents that are saying that we need to ban ar-15s and do something about gun control, they will tell you right now, they will get blasted from these extreme right wing folks. i have to set my personal dms to a high level. i have to screen a lot of my messages. they can also expect people to say things like, how dare you stand on your child's grave and scream about guns?
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it is complete bs. parents should not have to bury their children. if we had done something about guns, these parents would not be in the position that they are in right now. until those folks are ready to talk, i am here. i will happily intercept the media for them. there are other folks in texas who are more than willing to share the brunt of the load while they get through what they have to. loa while they>> i can only imaginea incredible support and gifts that has been. i know these conversations are hard. we appreciate you being with us. thank you. >> thank you for having me. i love zerlina show. >> it is the best. >> i am a huge fan! >> i know she would want to have this conversation with you. thank you, rhonda. we will talk soon. we will be right back after this.
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is planning funerals, having memorials, and coping with the shock and grief that they feel right now. more than anything, they are demanding answers. msnbc correspondent yasmin joins us from uvalde. thank you for being here. there was a press conference less than an hour ago. what did you learn? did you learn anything new about the police response? >> we did. it is good to be with you. i've been here for the last 24 hours or so and talking to people on the ground. before i get into the timeline, the fact that this committee wants answers, they are reeling, grieving, they lost these beautiful babies, teachers, people who have been a part of the community for so long. it is a small tight-knit community. everyone knows each other. everyone has a story about a child that lost their life, a teacher that lost their lives. this makes the wound this much deeper. as deep as the wound is, for so many parents, this makes it that much worse. the time gap to which the police may have acted, should
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have acted, and did not. let's talk about the time gap, as we just learned from the press conference. initially, it seems 11:27. i'm looking at my nose to make sure i'm accurate. 11:27 as when the crash happened. it is three blocks from where it happened. they crashed into a ditch or ravine down the way. he got out of the crash. at that point, people who worked at a funeral home two blocks where i am, across from the school, they ran out to go assist the person who got into the crash. the shooter emerged from the car with a gun in hand. he shot at these two people from the funeral home. he missed. they were able to retreat to the funeral home. at 11:30 am. an hour and 20 minutes before this shooter was neutralized, they called 9-1-1. an hour and 20 minutes. i want to repeat this, a paula, it is an hour and 20 minutes before the shooter was neutralized at -- they called at 11:30 and say that a man crashed outside an elementary school and he has a
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gun. he shot at us. five minutes later, the shooter makes his way towards the elementary school and enters the school through a propped open door. at that moment, seven officers from uvalde who have been called to the scene, follow him into the school. this is where it gets incredible, paula. the first 9-1-1 call that comes in from inside the school is at 12:03 pm. it is from a teacher. she says i'm inside room at 1:12, there are 8 to 9 students alive, there is a shooter inside of the classroom. a police come help. after that, numerous 9-1-1 calls. 12:10, 12:21, some of the calls were coming in from students. still, no action from the outside. they did not try to neutralize. it is not until 12:50 that border patrol was able to neutralize the shooter. where was the school resource
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faster? user usually there is a school resource officer on the campus. we found out that he was driving somewhere off campus. as they heard of the active shooter situation they made their way towards campus. they surpassed the shooter who was crouching down shooting from the bushes. they went towards another and a vigil who was not armed. that individual is actually a teacher. a question, had the as our o officer been on campus, with his not have happened? would they have been able to neutralize the shooter sooner? uvalde swat team. they posted two years ago that they were ready for an active shooter situation. i asked at a press conference if they were able to respond for a situation like this? they said they were not able to respond at the moment. they are reeling, grieving, we have answers. they want more answers. we got details from this press conference but it makes the wound that much deeper for all the parents grieving. >> at the heart of the wound is
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the question of, could more lives have been saved? yasmin, thank you for being on the ground. thank you for giving us a clear picture of what is happening, even as we do not have the answers. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> we will be right back after this. >> i hear, shoot, shoot, the shooter tried to shoot at the officer. they ran past. they went back inside. >> what were you thinking as you are hiding in the bathroom for so long? >> i think i was just like trying to be still. i was trying not to move. i was trying not to talk. i was crying in my head and said don't make noise. crying in my head said don't make noise. and you can find him right now on when the world is your workforce, finding the perfect project manager,
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of the 2018 douglas high school shooting in parkland florida. at the time, while he was feeling himself, he worked to amplify the unique stories of black and brown survivors. carlos, it is good to see you. unfortunately, under these circumstances. this is where i want to start. every time you and i have these conversations, it is typically because something happens yet again, one more time. you are reliving that these cycle, time and time again. how are you doing? how do you process this awful cycle? >> if i'm honest, i am quite anxious. i am still in shock. i am still processing. there were too many factors in the uvalde there were so similar to what happened in parkland. this is not to mention these duty student body, the community reaching out to one another.
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they were texting each other, are you okay? how are you? if you need to talk, i am here. hearing those things again, reminded me so much of what happened in my community. >> the story keeps playing and playing in front of you. carlos, you know more than anyone, there is a specific added layer of trauma that comes with being a latino and an immigrant survivor. one of the things he told me a couple of years ago, even as you yourself were going through this process and trauma, you tell me there were so many other stories and things i had to deal with as a family with my parents. can you ground us in what the experience was like, specifically as a latino survivor of this awful tragedy? >> i am from venezuela. i came to this country seeking safety. for safety, a new hope, new
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life, and new opportunities. it was for the american dream. i think the american dream is a fractured and broken. it is no longer real. so many people come to this country seeking safety, because of what is going on in their countries, and now kids have to fear going to school. kids have to be afraid that their community might be next. i remember i came here in third grade. in fourth grade i did my first lockdown drill. i was confused. in my country, we did not practice. i still had a security that i live in america, i am safe. that was completely shattered when i was 17 years old and in parkland. i cannot imagine for this community and the parents, and what they are going through. honestly, it is something that i cannot even process or
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explain. >> carlos, i understand that you cannot process the or the words are not there, but if you could, whatever bias could you give to some of the student survivors that have gone through a similar experience that you did? >> before i give them advice, i would like to say, sorry that you had to go through this. we have been trying to do something to prevent gun violence for the past four years, and there are people who have been trying for 20 years. now, they have this scar in their heart forever. they are going to relive this moment forever. these are kids. these are kids who are under the age of ten. they are going to be confused for the rest of their lives and not understand why their friend is not there anymore or why their teacher is no longer
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there to teach them. they won't know why they will not have a graduation. they will be confused. would i can say to them and to the parents is that they have an opportunity right now to use their voice. i pray they find the strength to use that voice. the pain that they are living through has to be heard by the whole nation. they have to be heard through every corner of america. this needs a solid solution, this issue needs a solution. >> you are a part of march for our lives. you have become a leader and an advocate. when we see you we expect to see a leader and someone with a strong voice who leads us to this. we want to see you out there protesting. i know there's another protest out there. in the reality, do you have the
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strength to keep going sometimes? that's something i battle with. i took this interview wondering who wants to speak today. is a carlos the survivor, carlos the activist, carlos the artist? who wants to show up? it's something that throughout every single shooting when it occurs, i wonder, what part of me wants to speak. which part of me is healed enough to talk. which part of me needs more time to process this? there are so much more work to be done. there are so many more things that i want to accomplish outside of gun violence prevention with my heart. it is hard to manage these things where every single day, people are dying because of gun violence. you are constantly reminded that i cannot choose between
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any of these. i have to be one. i have to help myself overcome this while bringing light to other people. these people are now in a void of emotion. they're in a void of anger, sadness, confusion, and destruction. what happened in the community is unforgivable and horrific. it is horrible. it is herbal what occurred over there. it is going to be a battle that they are going to have to figure out. they are going to figure out which part of them wants to speak, which part wants to heal, which wants to overcome, and which parties to have this emotion in order to get through the rest of the united states. >> carlos, thank you -- i was gonna call you carlito's, cause that's when i knew you, and that's when i used to call you then. you are a grown young man.
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i appreciate you being so honest and trying to put the words together for us to grapple with what this means. thank you, carlos. >> thank you so much. >> coming up, how a texas district grappling with the aftermath of the mass shooting debates gun control when the elected leaders have conflicting opinions on the issue. conflicting opinions issue. and you're figuring out how to do that. what you don't have to figure out is where to shop. because while you're getting creative, walmart is doing what we always do. so you can save money and live better. ♪ ♪ ♪ so you can save money and li♪ ♪better.
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ar-15 when you're 18 years old? you cannot buy on a beer at 18 years old but you can buy an assault rifle. >> we have to be unified. >> you have not answered my question. why does an 18-year-old need an ar-15 in the state of texas? >> this is how the legislative process works. it is congress, determining the laws. >> i'm going back to my original question, why does an 18 year old in texas need to be able to buy an assault rifle rifle? >> the reality is, this is not a new topic. there's a lot of legislation that has been out there. >> that was the texas
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republican congressman -- his district includes uvalde. as you saw, even he cannot answer why the laws in his state allows an 18-year-old to legally purchase an ar-15 rifle. texas prides itself on being americas strongest a second amendment state. last may, the legislator passed a law allowing most texans to carry a handgun in public without a license or training. they allowed a blocking -- this created a second amendment sanctuary. these are two of these seven expensive gun laws spearheaded by republicans last year and signed into law by greg gambit in a single day. now, texas republicans are being forced to answer how those policy decisions may have contributed to the death of 19 kids and two teachers. joining me now is democratic state senator, -- is district includes uvalde. thank you for being here with
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us today. i've been hearing you had the past couple of days. i can see how upset you are. i could see how sad you are. i can see the frustration. in many ways, your hands are tied in this state legislature. you think this moment has finally served as a wake up call for your republican colleagues? >> i don't know. i cannot answer that. i can tell you and answered the question that was asked of tony gonzalez. they are all cowards. you want to ask yourself, why would you say that of people you are trying to negotiate with? the fact is, we have tried, and tried to get common sense solutions. age restrictions, red flag laws, waiting periods. i'm a texan. i am a hunter. i own weapons. i do not have weapons like this and i do not need to go hunting with an ar-15. i don't know circumstances should a child, 18 years old,
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you are a child. i did not care how you define it. they should not be allowed to go into the store and buy this kind of weaponry. it is a militarized weapons. it is disgusting. it is appalling. greg abbott and people like him have refused to do the right thing. >> senator, you mentioned something that is a lived reality for many people. you yourself like to go hunting. it is part of the culture in texas. this is the debate. can you have the realities. can you be pro gun and also want gun control? how are you going to balance those two sides of the story with constituents? >> i have a lot of republican constituents. i am a democrat and have a lot of republican constituents come to me and say that we are with you. how did these kids getting these weapons? why do we need these magazines that have 100 or 200 rounds in them? i do not need 100 rounds to kill a dear.
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i have people who tell me, why did we not find out about this? it is a red flag law. isn't it a red flag when a young man goes to buy two guns in 48 hours that you would use in afghanistan? certainly, it is a run red flag. if you buy hundreds of rounds of ammunition and the guy over at the local store in uvalde does not think twice about it. we do not have to call the authorities because there is no law in place that says you need to call the authorities. we have tried. but, greg abbott. that is your answer. tony gonzalez, if you want to go off and call for a weapons ban, he can. he should. >> so what is it that is stopping your republican colleagues? they are leaving in these same states and same grounds with the constituents that you are. the reality is, what the numbers say, 60% of texas voters opposed permit-less carrying. 20% of the voters wanted to
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loosen the gun laws. with this number and with the reality you live every day, what is stopping republican colleagues from actually making laws that reflect what's the majority of constituents warned? >> they are not listening to the constituents. they are listening to the organization called the nra. they are taking the money. money means power. money means that you can win elections and say elected. this is all they care about. instead, they should care about constituents. a staff member showed me a video of the last session, house bill 1927. in the wee hours of the morning i was tired. i was exhausted from arguing with these people. i said, because of this bill, i promise you, kids will die. i never thought in the world that i was talking about kids in my own community. i never thought. i thought it was hyperbole.
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it was not. these people do not have the fortitude to do the right thing. greg abbott likes to talk about evil and mental illness. let's face it, he does not fund mental illness. the only evil that is happening here is the evil that has him a bought and paid for by the nra. . >> senator, thank you so much for taking the time. i know you've been talking to people all day. i know that the community needs right now. we appreciate you to make the time for this. >> thank you. i'm heading out right now. >> we will see you. we will be right back. will be right back.
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will not be at the nra convention. instead, he will show up in a prerecorded video message. the convention is in houston. where two children and teachers were gunned down in an elementary school a few days ago. they are under pressure to forego the nra event. texas senator and john corden have backed up citing scheduling conflicts. meanwhile, former president, donald trump, said in the statement that he will keep his longtime commitment to speak and give him important address to america. is anyone surprised? joining me now is tammy's. he is a former consultant for the department of homeland
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security. thank you so much for being with us today. the state senator says that the reason that there's so much action on the gop side is because of the gun laws. it is because the had their hands are tied to the nra. how important is it for politicians in this moment to stand up to this call on law? >> i think it is critical. i think it is a weak acid today that it is never been. it is for activism policymakers to come together and begin to put pressure on them. i think i find it very ironic, in texas, you can carry a gun anywhere other than the nra convention. at the floor of the convention, you cannot have a gun. think about that. they advocate for having guns everywhere, but in the general assembly of the nra, they do not allow guns to be on the floor. >> let's talk about more
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ironies and more contradictions. you mentioned those. here's another one. an 18 year old, like the shooter, is a lot by ar-15s, but he is not allowed to buy handguns as an 18 year old. where is the rationale behind something like that? >> i stopped looking for rational. that an 18 year old cannot buy a pack of cigarettes in texas, a six pack of -- he walked in about two semi automatic weapons. got in your car, drove to the school, and killed 19 precious lives. 19 lives. he cannot buy a pack of cigarettes at his birthday. think about how ludicrous of an environment we are in and how broken our system actually is. >> when we are having these
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conversations, ar-15s get a lot of attention. these are the type of weapons that have been used to have been in the hands of a lot of mass shooters. according to the fbi, in 2020, and guns were involved in 60% of u.s. gun murders. my question is, our legislators focusing on the wrong thing? should we be focusing on legislating handguns instead of ar-15s? >> i think we have to look at all of. it we have to find where there is consensus and go change the laws from where we have consensus. we have consensus in background checks. universal background checks. republicans and democrats all believe in this. two thirds of americans believe that these weapons of war should not be allowed in our country. there is no reason for someone to own them. we should do what we agree on. as far as handguns are
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considered, but it's not often text talked about, is teenage to aside. if you look at where the handgun is used the most, it is when these teenagers are taking their own lives. making guns more accessible, easy to get your hands on, creates an environment where we are likely to see more tragedies and not less. >> i think that speaks to the fact that in this country, and only in this country, there are more guns than people in the u.s.. you have said that for time and time again. can you speak to the gun culture problem that we have in this country and how we have unconsciously and consciously decided to support this political discourse instead of protecting lives and children. >> what is happening is the extreme right is starting to not only affect politics but it is taking over these culture wars we've never seen before. the 60s were a difficult time.
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there were some issues of anxiety. they were pulling us apart. and see a lot of this as manufactured crises. they create manufactured crises with immigration. they created when it comes to abortion. now, we have states that have banned abortion and in case of rape and incest. when it comes to guns, they made it into a cultural issue that somehow, taking away the right to own firearms, is against the constitution. and every constitutional guarantee, we have a freedom. there are limits. the fact that they can say that this limit does not exist when it comes to guns, that culturally, as a nation, we are bound by this endless cycle of violence and death. every time i'm on this conversation with conservatives,
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they talk about that it is a slippery slope. once you take away one right, the other rights will go away. bigger and simply so, what we are seeing is that sandy hook to florida, parkland and now in uvalde. this is the slippery slope we should worry about. >> two years after george floyd's murder, with the racial reckoning have happened even without technology. we talk about this next. even even without we talk about this next. here to meet those high standards is the walgreens health and wellness brand. over 2000 high quality products. rigorously tested by us. d by you. and delivered to your door in as little as one hour. if you have copd, ask your doctor about breztri.
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george floyd was murdered by minneapolis police officer. a murder we witnessed because a 17 year old captured it using her cell phone camera, with this. the video sparked a historic uprising we will never forget. it ignited a 15 to 26 million people in the united states into demonstrations and protests over floyd's and others does deaths over the summer of 2020. it was the largest protest movement in u.s. history. if floyd's murder was not on camera, would the demands for justice be as loud? would it direct chauvin even be behind bars? these are the questions we have to think about. joining me is msnbc correspondent and host of into the america podcast, jermaine. jermaine, thank you for being here with us. thank you for coming. >> thank you for having me. appreciate it. >> of course. how did this device, how has all of this turned into a turn for activism? >> think about what you
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mentioned in the lead up to this. if not for cell phone video taken by a teenage girl, folks who never have known in his name. to watch this man take his last breath in those agonizing seconds, agonizing minutes, they piled up on each other. activists, organizers, those who have been advocating for black lives point to exhibit a. everyone had to sit and watch those last breath being taken. as a tool to fire folks up for a movement that had already been churning. to ignite it, to spread to people on the sidelines and one of the allies, or folks who can no longer ignore the great pain that black folks in this country have experienced. this, as a tool, was priceless. >> there's also the other side. i want to play a clip from the latest episode of into america, explains why technology should not be romanticized.
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let's take a listen. >> the thing we can never do is be romantic or overly optimistic about this. while the camera does represent the innocence in a certain way, we never want to believe that the only thing stopping america from acknowledging black pain, misery, and trauma, was data. only, if they could have proof. >> right, so what is the danger to technology? is the new standard for black pain to only be validated if there is proof? how do you reconcile that? >> that, black folks and marginalized people only get the dignity other humanity is if there is visual evidence, as opposed to their lived experiences. i think the danger is that we can rely on those things. the thing that happens with police body cam every day in this country. it captures all kinds of horrific, questionable state violence under mysterious
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circumstances. you could see what is going on. folks are not held accountable. there is clear evidence that there is something doing wrong. the danger, if you talk to people who study this, we rely heavily on. it will not change the hearts and minds of those who arrive. this is with a white supremacist filter in the first place. >> we think of these cell phones as novelties. if you take a step back, is there a history of technology used to fight racial thus justice? how did we get here? >> when we think to the 90s, we think to the beating of rodney king. you had a collision of one moment. you had a consumer product, a video camera, which was small enough for someone to hold up in front of their face and captured the moment. long before video cameras, you think about the 19th century. pants, let's printing technology, wells and her catalog being the violence that she experienced in the south with the lynchings. you had portraits and panelists. think about the iconic flag
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that used to hang outside of the naacp va office. a man was lynched yesterday. the technology has changed. the message and the harnessing of the powerful messages goes back hundreds of years. >> as the news from uvalde develops, had some of these parents not used their phones to document and record the way that many of these fathers and mothers were being treated by the police while children being slaughtered, we now because of this, now we know that a woman was handcuffed. we know that people were yelled that. men were being pinned down. as a journalist, do you think this is another moment where we will thank technology for telling these stories and accurate ways? >> without question. as journalist and reporters, we often arrive at institutions and police as skeptical. the same institutions want to
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keep us from the truth. let's think about george floyd. they said he died from a drug issue. then we got the video. in this case, there was a picture painted of heroism and a quick response in the face of a night mayor, only to see that parents, in the worst moments of their lives, whether children trapped inside of a school gunman, were being abused and accosted at worst. with folks being able to pull out their cell phones and document in realtime the truth as they are living, experiencing, seeing it, it is a game-changer. trymaine thank you so much for your reporting and for being here. thank you for making us look at these issues in a different way. you can catch this week's podcast of into america where we get your podcasts. i just got the chance to talk to a series of latino voters in florida who have been abandoned by the democratic party and i find you home in the republican
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party. you can watch a field report on msnbc on wednesday at 10 pm eastern. it will be streaming on peacock. that does it for me. i'm zerlina. you could find me monday to friday on the peacock. you can follow us on facebook, twitter, tiktok, and more news is coming up on msnbc. coming up this is the katie phang show live from msnbc headquarters in new york city. we have a lot of news to cover and a lot of questions to answer. let's get started. shocking new images a show the terror that unfolded in uvalde, texas as kids escaped through the windows. this is as police are finally admitting to a string of failures, including inexplicable delays in entering the classroom where the gunman was. republican leader, republican leader, is escalating his standoff. he will likely find


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