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with a 2 -year price guarantee. hello everyone, i am alicia call today. menendez, live in uvalde, texas, where there are new questions mounting over the mass shooting at robb elementary school. behind me, left 19 children and two teachers that. texas authorities updated the timeline on the attack, feeling students made 691 calls as officers made calls other classroom. according to the texas safety department, the local chief commander made the wrong decision not to enter the barricade a classroom for over an hour. and then your survivor said that police also encourage students to call out for help, which allowed the government to
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locate and shoot one of his classmates. nbc news has learned that federal agents has eventually defied police orders and fatally shooting the gunman. meanwhile, parents outside the school trying to rush in and rescue their own children. the mother of a third grader describing the desperate scene of police restraining parents, as shots rang out. >> we waited almost 50 minutes to an hour. by the time they bring kids out, these parents are flipping, and then they are tackling them and tasing them. that was unbelievable. the parents had to think and relive that moment of what they could have done to save -- really, we could not do anything because the cops were -- they were not doing it, they weren't letting us do it, lives were lost. >> president biden today condemning the violence ahead of a visit to uvalde tomorrow.
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we are told that he will meet the victims families. >> as i speak, those parents are literally preparing to bury those children in the united states of america. to bury their children, there is commit violence, too much fear, too much grief. let's be clear, evil came to the elementary school in the texas classroom. >> joining me now tony plohetski for an investigative reporter for the austin statesman and former fbi countered the fence intelligence, frank figliuzzi, and nbc nbc analyst and author. tony, tell us about the explanation the officers offered for the hour-long delay in breaching the door. >> and law enforcement official
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officially said that this was a bad call, that the commander on scene who was the chief of police for uvalde this derek treated this like a barricade suspect, someone who was holed up in a building instead of an active shooter. apparently at that time, authorities were trying to assemble and stand up a swat team to go in and take the shooter down. possibly, even have a sore undergo she asian with them. when, in fact, we now know that during that time, students themselves, as well as teachers, we're calling 9-1-1 asking that the police come in and save them. >> frank, msnbc has learned that the chief has attended an active shooting trading as recently as december. it is a question of protocol or training, will go through your
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mind as all this begins to service? >> there are many unanswered questions still because what we are still not entirely clear on is the degree to which the school chief of police, let's not confuse it with the uvalde city, but the on-duty commander. there is no question on my mind if you received all the updates from dispatch of 9-1-1, that he understood that there was still an active shooter. to be honest, i cannot understand how he could not know there is an active threat. with the information that the border patrol was there and imploring him, and then overrode his decision. what does that tell me, they were equipped with the information. here is one thing that the officers inside were clearly not equipped with, this is what i am focusing on because we need to move forward that this is what happened with other
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cities and police departments, where is the swat equipment? where is the swat team for uvalde pd, bragging about their swat team on the website. where is the county swap team. why are we waiting for breaching materials, why are we waiting for shields? were they all there and ready, and he still decided not to go in? they need to ask themself around the country this week's, who is charged if this happens here, where is the mayor swat team? who is the most qualified officer commander? where is the schoolmaster key on every sergeants hand? what is going on in uvalde that we can learn from and not let happen again? >> tony, authorities said that casualties were initially combined to one classroom. one of the now reporting about the governments movements inside the classroom? >> this all started just to go over the timeline at 11:30 on
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tuesday when authorities say the gunman shot his grandmother. he then got into a truck and drew a short distance to the school. keep in mind, four days, a 30s and the governor, in fact, said that the gunmen and a school police officer actually confronted each other and had some sort of exchange, possibly of gunfire. that the gunmen then went inside and opened the door of the school. authorities have since said that is not correct. that they did not encounter each other. in fact, about seven police officers ultimately descended on the score in those very early minutes. they did have an exchange of gunfire with the gunman inside of the school. two of those police officers were reportedly shot. and then the gun man went inside a fourth grade classroom, barricaded himself, and at that
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point, about 19 police officers have gathered there inside the school. this is that critical moment according to authorities when they made the decision to not go further. essentially, they tried to take the gun man down in that moment. instead, they went to the posture of treating this like a barricade it's a speck. >> tony and frank, thank you both for walking us through this. as you said, there are still more questions than answers. joining me now, texas state representative, gene wu. representative gene wu, your district outside of houston, what is it like you see and are a members gathered their mere days after a mass shooting? >> it is so hurtful. they do it with such glee. it is disheartening to see so many people who are coming here
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and basically touting all the things that they done to allow this tragedy to occur. they warped their entire lives to make sure the gunman in uvalde had the ability to commit this crime. it is heartbreaking again and again. >> you have been demonstrating outside the and are a conference with beto o'rourke. understanding how much of the politics of this is really about culture and momentum, does the anger feel different this time? >> i think it absolutely feels different. we have been here so many times. we are tired of going to vigils, we are tired going to memorials. i think what is different is that people have had enough. people have looked around, even people on the gun side have said, we tried all the other
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ideas. we tried army teachers, which had good guys with a gun, we tried to bring a ton of money at the schools for security -- the uvalde had all those things, none of it worked. it is time to try the things that our state leaders have been refusing to do, that they are scared to do. that governor abbott is too chicken to take up. that is to restrict the ability of crazy people, of people who should be on greg frag list, restrict their ability to purchase these weapons of war, to purchase these weapons of mass destruction. it is the only thing left that they have not tried. it is the only thing that they do not have the political courage to do. it is time. it is not just democrats. we need everybody, whether you are democrat, republican or an independent, to say enough. the body pile is high enough.
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>> your colleagues in the state legislator demanding in a special session to address gun reform. i heard you there talk about red flag laws. i wonder what else you think is actually possible to get done in this moment. >> absolutely, we have been talking about these ideas for years and decades. extensive, universal background checks, red flag laws immediately, limit the sale of high capacity magazines. limit the sale and transfer of assault style weapons. every single one of these major mass shootings is with an ar-15. that cannot be a surprise because this is a weapon designed for war. this is a weapon designed to kill as many people as fast as possible. the fact that it has been used to do that time and time again has told us what we need to know. we are not saying, you don't need a -- no one has called for the.
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specifically, these types of weapons, if it was a fully automatic weapon, like a sawed off shotgun or automatic shotgun, all those guns require a federal arms license. but assault weapons are in the same category. if you have a high capacity magazine and an assault weapon that can fire 50 rounds in a clip, it should be federally license. the only people who have been through extensive vetting should have them. >> representative, in light of what we have heard today, i have to ask you as a lawmaker and public school parent. what questions do you have for texas law enforcement about the response to the shooting? >> i am just seeing it, but at the very least, the parents of this tragedy, the town of uvalde deserves honest answers. stop the cover-up. stop trying to pretend that
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nothing is wrong. stop pretending that this was all about good guys with guns and that will solve it. start giving on his answers about what happened and tell us the truth. if what they say out there is true, i am ashamed by our state. i am ashamed by our states leadership for putting us in this position, for putting law enforcement in this position time and time again. governor abbott had multiple opportunities to deal with the tragedy after sutherland springs, after el paso, after odessa, after santa fe -- each time, this states republican leadership has chosen to do nothing. either the voters of the state called them out and tell them enough is enough, or we keep having these tragedies again and again, whether or not law enforcement is responsible or
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not. i'm >> texas trait representative gene wu, thank you. next, what is the texas gop doing to make the lives of texas people better? we will examine the record. later, the renewed conversation about gun safety across the country and the likelihood that our leaders will meet this moment, that and much more ahead live in texas. but first to richard louis with the other stories that we are tracking here on msnbc. richard? >> thank you, alicia. vice president kamala harris attended the funeral for a victim buffalo shooter. the gunman killed ten people. she made a surprise speech for ruth whitfield. she said, quote, we would not be afraid to stand up for what is right, even if it may be difficult to hear and speak. she also laid flowers outside the memorial site outside the supermarket. the five people that were killed in a house explosion in pottstown, pennsylvania on thursday night. forward children and two others
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laws that protect gun violence. but today, i signed documents that instill freedom in the lone star state. >> that was governor greg abbott just last year signing seven bills into law expanding guns rates here in texas. that is despite the fact that less than two years before the so signing of the laws, mass shootings in el paso, texas took the lives of 30 people.
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after the latest mass shooting, abbott spoke to the nra commissioner in a prerecorded message, saying got answers not the issue or the answer. >> there are thousands of laws on the books across the country that limit or the ownership of firearms, laws that have not stopped mad men from carrying out evil acts on innocent people and peaceful communities. >> we will get to that in a second. i want to know that abbott also blamed mental health for the uvalde, but he slashed more than $200 million of the department that oversees mental health last month. in fact, a report found that texas ranks 50 it out of all 50 states for mental health access. former chief strategist for bush and cheney, msnbc
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political analysts matthew dowd and julian castro. as i read all of that, i wonder if the fundamental argument is really a brow -- >> he has developed a reputation, especially in the last couple of years, starting with that storm of not being able to get the job done. look at mares, look at governors, other officials,, so many tales of people have lost their jobs because they could not get there -- could not keep the lights on. people expect you to do your job -- >> about the services. >> there are partisan ways, but a lot of people see that as a baseline. on that test, he has failed several times, including in this response. >> matthew dowd, i will circle back on the politics in this response. but i have to ask you about your great piece of the four myths surrounding gun safety in
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this country. can you talk me through them, and how you feel that those minutes take hold and place in a place like texas? >> thank you, that is the problem of all public policy, exceptionally with guns. there is this myth that somehow guns keep a safer, when every single data point book in the states and around the world showed that more access to guns means more violence. we have more guns than any other country in the world, twice as many as yemen, which is second. but we have the second most gun deaths in the world. there is this idea that guns protects our freedoms. as i said, we are number one on guns but number 17 on level of freedoms in this country. it is a series of knits, not the least which is the idea of mental health causing this. that obviously needs to be dealt with. look at every other country in the world which has equal mental health crisis. the only difference between
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them and us is the lack of guns. i think that is the biggest problem. i agree with greg abbott, the biggest problem is incompetence. but it is incompetence combined with being completely out of sync of the values of texans. if greg abbott was a ceo of a major company, and the things that happened to the country, 100 deaths have been because of failure, now the numbers of tens of deaths because of too much access to guns under his watch, not only would they be thrown out of their job, they would be likely as ceo to be indicted for malfeasance in the course of this. we have to blow up the mid. we have to get to the common set of facts. the problem is that republicans right now, especially in texas, want to look at everything else but the elephant sitting in the middle of the room, which is the gun. they want to step over and around it. they want to point to anything
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else. but one gun violence happens, as we all know, every single data point says that it is because of too much access to these high powered weapons. let's blow up the myths, let's get back to a bounce in a fax, but greg abbott is not interested in doing policy based on facts. >> it is telling to me, julian, the remarks he made to the nra that there are some laws on the books, and they did not work without recognition to a patchwork of state laws would not be the full and total solution. what is your response to that? also, do you see the biggest possibility for action and change happening at the state level, or does that that been federally? >> people are going to follow the laws, anyways, so i passed them? you can make the argument about anything. it is a bogus argument. look, i think that probably given where texas is right now, there is more likelihood of doing something at the federal
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level. mitch mcconnell, a couple of days ago, instructed senator john cornyn and -- to perhaps look at what they might work on. who knows if that is real or not? we have seen that had fake before by mitch mcconnell, more than once. but that is more progress than we have seen from either greg abbott, or the speaker of the house in texas. >> matthew dowd, what do you say? >> ultimately, the only way this problem is fix is if we discover a national strategy. i wish texas would lead but they are leading in the wrong direction. but you think about texas, and let's say we pass all these laws, and let's say the town of wichita falls passes all these laws, if oklahoma does not do it, then somebody can drive 30 miles, 35 miles across the border, as well as have been in a number of states -- the reason we have so many good
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problems in chicago is because guns are coming from people from other states across the border. yes, i wish that texas would lead. yes, i wish that we would not go in this direction of increasing access to guns. ultimately, this is a national problem and has to be fixed nationally. >> matt, i only have about 30 seconds left. julian will be with me for about two hours. i will go to you. the three of us has sat here in the past and talked about voting rights in texas. we have talked about access to women's health care in texas. now we're talking about guns in texas. you could put those all three together and say there is a fundamental question of freedom. my question to you as a seasoned political strategist, how do democrats wrinkled up back? how do they take back the argument of freedom from republicans? >> democrats have to raise the debate of this. they have to get higher on this debate and make an argument that the fundamentals of our democracy is the circumventing
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of those fundamentals of our democracy by the republican party. you can make the argument in texas and everywhere. i think too often, democrats get in the weeds. they had to get to a higher altitude and say that the problem is a fundamental danger to our democracy, which then front it is our life and pursuit of happiness. what happened in uvalde is evidence of that. what happened to those 19 kids and adults, is that they lost their life. they did not have the liberty anymore, and they no longer are able to pursue happiness. it is affected by everything, but he writes, choice, guns, all of that. democrats need to raise it up to a bigger level and confront republicans on it. >> matt dowd, as always, thank you for being with us. julian, you are looking at me. next, how will the nation respond on the push for gun safety reform in washington and beyond, when american forces continues after this. beyond, when american they onls with 5g.
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that are so afraid to send their children off to school, afraid that they might not come home. we have a public health crisis on our hands. still yet, we have not been able to really move as rapidly as we should have moved within the last ten years. >> that was georgia congressman, lucy mcbath discussing the inaction on gun safety measures on the federal level. the moves after the sandy hook shooting -- failed to strengthen background checks on gun purchases. five years later, after the school shooting in parkland, florida, a plan to pass the red flag law did not even make it to the floor for vote. over and over again, congress has failed to find solutions to address america made mass shootings. as the hill reports, quote,
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enacting any bill will be tough. the evenly split, 50/50 senate require support from at least ten republicans to overcome a filibuster, and republicans have not shown support to -- after ten years of failure over gun safety has taught us, back with me to discuss, msnbc analysts tyler pager and for the washington post. tyler, what is on the table right now for gun safety legislation? >> senate democrats are trying to begin conversation with their republican counterparts to find a path forward. alicia, as you outlined, there has been a past forward. there is a lot of pessimism that there will be a path for this time. despite the tragedy, they are trying to figure something as simple as back on checks, trying to prevent more people from getting guns that should not be able to get them. chris murphy, the senator from connecticut, is a vocal gun
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control advocate. he took a lead on this, along with senator joe manchin. they're trying to start conversations with republican counterparts. they need ten republicans to join them. there is no signs that there are maybe even five republicans to go along with them at this point. that is what is happening. my sources tell me that the president and her team are looking back at what executive action he might be able to take to really make progress on the efforts to curb gun violence. there is pessimism that that will not be enough. the real action and substantive change that could be addressed is on the hill. >> tyler, your report, quote, in the nearly decade long stretch between sandy hook and buffalo and uvalde, congressional efforts to change gun policies and any significant way have repeatedly failed, despite lawmakers occasionally commencing got control discussions on new in the wake of particularly herring gun control tragedies. biden has played a central role in many of those unsuccessful
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efforts, for us as vice president and now as president. what lessons have democrats learned from failed attempts to pass meaningful gun safety laws. is that how we end up talking about executive action? >> i think there are two tracks here. there is that executive action track that they are trying to figure out what steps they can take. if you talk to gun control groups that have worked on these issues for years, they say there is a litany of action that the president could take to make real progress. on the other hand, as we discuss, the real action here and change comes from the senate with democrats in the house eager to pass gun control legislation but need their senate counterparts to deliver. there are two lessons. i recently spoke with arnie duncan, the secretary of education under the ababa ministration, one of the things that he said was the biggest regrets while in washington was not pushing senate to vote immediately about some sort of legislation right after sandy
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hook. he felt that months and weeks spent wrangling trying to get a compromise took the wind out of their sails. in the aftermath of a tragedy, momentum is a window of opportunity. people like him say let's get a bill to the floor, let's force a vote. he and others are still skeptical and pessimistic that that would change things. but they think that sort of window right after one of these horrible tragedies happens is a really good opportunity to force people to vote on an issue. >> you made the same argument to me, julian, that time is of the essence. if there is a window, it is right now. how then do democrats take that window and door and make sure they run through it. >> they could have considered, for instance, not going on recess the next week, putting something on the floor right away in the aftermath of this tragedy, or as soon as possible, basically. i think that is the best hope. we see that time and time again. state legislators after
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traumatic events, we have seen that historically in the united states congress. they should move as quickly as possible, if that is their aim. >> here is the thing, there is the thing and effect this has on gun safety itself. there is the intended frame -- there is also the reality that at some point, people hear the number of times that tyler said pessimism, and they begin to check out of the process. they say, why am i going to vote? why am i electing all these people and they can't get anything done? the problem is that only's services republicans. >> that is right. you have put your finger on one of the most devious ways that mitch mcconnell plays this interesting political chess and ends up winning either way. winning because he slows us down, and then they don't get anything done on control and it serves the industry that he's trying to serve, the gun manufacturers, including people that are so passionate about finally getting things done on gun reform. they eventually tend to slow
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and say, why am i voting? why am i supporting these candidates, it is all the same. it does not matter who i support or who said what, nothing gets done. either way, the beneficiary of that politically are republicans, who don't want anything to get done. >> tyler, of course, the action if there is action will be in the senate. i want you to take a listen to republican congressman adam kissinger had to say to his fellow lawmakers, here it is. >> i am a gun owner. all those caveats and second amendment supporter. we just raised the age of purchasing cigarettes in 21. the age by alcohol is 21. the aged by a gun should be 21. i had to say to anybody that is in a position similar to mine who will take a bow on this, it is really hard to come out first time and say that we need universal background checks, even though 98% of fellow americans agree. we have to raise the age and do something about high capacity magazines, but the second you do it, you get all the text messages that are angry, and then you get over and you feel really great. you can talk to people tell the
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truth. >> i mean, tyler, i imagine that there are other republicans say they same thing? >> yes, i think that we are starting to see a few more republicans repeat that in the aftermath of this latest tragedy, acknowledging that something needs to be done to prevent another one of these happening. the reality is, right after buffalo, we were just starting this conversation, and then another one happened at a school there in uvalde. i think there are republicans, a congressman from new york came out and said that he would be supported of pursuing more gun control legislation, but the problem is that it is not the house of representatives. it is the senate. that is where they need to find ten republicans that are willing to go along with them and support any sort of gun reform. the problem is, a lot of these republicans publicly, definitely privately, that what they are worried about is the base of the party that will
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hurt them, politically. -- >> like the primaries? >> they are worried about the primaries. one of the things that is striking about this debate is when you look back ten years ago when the nra was not such a powerful institution. it has faced financial and legal troubles over the last decade. they have weekend substantially, as a fact. but that does not mean that gun control has become more politically palatable. instead, it has become more part of the republican party. that has made it difficult for republicans to get on board. >> tyler pager, as always, thank you for being with us. secretary castro, you are sticking with us. our live coverage from uvalde when american voices returns at this quick break. uvald when american voices returns a this quick break
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former president trump is picking up speed. the fulton county district attorney telling the new york times she is considering racketeering charges against trump, with the grand jury plans to subpoena as many as 50 witnesses. secretary of state, brad raffensperger, are complaining two of the trump city has agreed to testify. raffensperger is running for reelection this november, after defeating his trump backed opponent in this week's primary. and the senate bc legal analyst, barr mcquade, she is a professor at the university of michigan law school and co-host of the hashtag sisters podcast. how would prosecutors build a racketeering case against trump in georgia? >> first it is important to remember that prosecutors investigate crimes, not people. so it seems to me that this call that we have all heard is very much the central point of this investigation. and from, there she will talk to witnesses, and she will look at documents to see what crimes may have occurred. it sounds like if she is
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looking at the state rico ally, it is very similar to the federal rico law, a crime that is used for organized crime. it says that racketeering which is simply a pattern of certain air very serious crimes, like extortion, bribery, false statements, that are used by a group of people to effectuate a scheme can be brought. so at the beginning stages of an investigation like this one that seems like there is a significant predication based on that call to begin the investigation. but of course, she will have to amass the evidence for that, or any of the individual predicate crimes which could instead be a scandal. >> friday, it just through trump's lawsuit against the new york attorney general, after an appeal court ordered former president and his two oldest kids to testify about their business dealings. considering the trump anomalies tendencies to plead the fifth, explain what they gain from them taking the scam? >> it is important to talk to
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people about what they might be able to tell you. even if they were to invoke the fifth amendment right against incrimination it can only be invoked when it comes to questions that might relate to exposing them to criminal prosecution. of course, this is a civil matter. so some of the things that she will be asking about or not criminal in nature. so it is important still to lock them into certain aspects of the story. who did whatever the organization, who had whatever organization for exam. there will be no fifth amendment basis for refusing to answer those questions. it could be useful because it prevents them from later getting on the stand a trial and saying things that are contrary to that. that transcript from the earlier testimony could be used to cross examine them later. so regardless of whether they may invoke the fifth amendment right, as long as they are -- certain questions can be asked that will be on the scope of that, it is worthwhile to have them answer those questions. >> shifting now to 16 arizona
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representative today, he became the fourth gop lawmaker who signaled he is going to defy a subpoena from the january six committee. how do you expect the committee to respond? >> it is interesting, isn't it? because on the one handed is extraordinary to use the subpoena against a fellow member of congress. at the same time, they are investigating something that is truly extraordinary. and what is different about these isn't that they are being subpoenaed because of their political views, or public statements they have made, but because of their specific role relating to this attack. so if they are to snub these subpoenas, i think that number, one day risk the possibility of criminal prosecution or civil enforcement. and number two, impressing more importantly, i think they compromise the mission of congress by saying that they will not respond or on our subpoenas, i think that down the road they cannot be expected to have others honors those subpoenas. for all of those arenas, i think that it is very damaging to the institution for them to refuse to honor those subpoenas. >> burke mcquade, as always,
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boy entered a school to kill 19 children. we are living in these terrible times one american people express condolences because of the death of the ukraine at war. we express our condolences because of death. >> ukrainian president zelenskyy is sending a message of unity to the american people after tuesday's mass shooting here in uvalde, texas. three months untoward, salons cases of people of ukraine know the pain of senseless violence, which carries on at the hands of russia battling for control of eastern ukraine. over the latest, let's hang into cal perry, he remains at his post in kyiv. we know that russia is fighting for control of the donbas region. where do their efforts stand at this hour? >> there has been great concern,
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i think, in the last week, or two weeks from ukrainian officials that russian military, the russian military is by and large making gains in the eastern part of the country. it is a slow, this sort of secondary phase as the russians have put it in the eastern part of the country. you see there with this secondary invasion is now happening. it is slow progress, but it is progress nonetheless. the number of villages have fallen in the last 24 hours. we are talking about the use of heavy artillery as well as drones, and airstrikes happening almost around the clock. you have really developing a situation in the east where we have had eight years of war and we are now continuing to see that. what happened across the country was russia by and large pulled back. they pulled back in the northern part of the country around the city of kyiv where i am, for example. the invasion was stopped in the south where they were fighting heavily in places like mariupol. that fighting has now stopped. so russia has been able to move resources into the eastern part of the country. ukrainian officials say that the ukrainian military is no
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out numbered, and outgunned. it is why we are hearing a renewed call for more weapons to be delivered here by ukrainian officials sending that message of course to the west. >> i have to ask you, cal. what's the advance in ukraine seized. tell us about putin's endgame. what are experts telling you? >> well, it certainly shows that there is a result on behalf of vladimir putin to take heavy casualties. we do not know with the russian casualties are. we had a glimpse i think of ukrainian casualty numbers this week. president zelenskyy said 50 to 100 ukrainian soldiers could be dying every single day on the eastern front of this war. so you could expect there to be heavy casualties on the russian side as well. ukrainian officials say that vladimir putin still has his eyes on the entire country. including the capital city here of kyiv. but again, there has been a renewed focus on the eastern part of the country, and it is raising a lot of questions about how long this war is going to be and to remind our viewers, for eight years now
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there has been fierce fighting in the eastern part of the country. but it is worse now than it has ever been. we are seeing dozens of civilians killed here every week and the eastern part of the country, and, again the numbers of soldiers dying is really unknown. but we know that it is going to be quite high. >> cal perry for us, as always, thank you. next, so many questions about the police response here in uvalde. an update on what we know, and why some of these new details are so troubling. plus, what do these families, what do the survivors need? how do we best support them? two women who know this experience far too well are going to join us and tell us. and thoughts and prayers, what about progress? how can we make this time the last time? we kick off a new hour of american voices live from uvalde after this. american voices live fro uvalde after this.
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uvalde, texas. this hour, the push for clarity about what happened inside the building behind me robb elementary, and what more could have been done to save the 21 lives lost this week, from the police response on campus to our response as a nation.
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how does this tight-knit community move forward? a state lawmaker helps us answer that question. and the shooting here hitting home for many families across the country, two women whose lives are changed forever by gun violence. they will join us as a new hour of american voices, live from texas, begins now. today, a push for accountability in this tight-knit community. until tuesday, uvalde was a quiet town where everybody knows your name, now the scene of america's latest mass shooting. around town, you will see uvalde strong signs hanging outside businesses and homes. families working to make sense of what happened, coming together to draw messages of hope on sidewalks with chalk on ministry. it is clear that the 21 lives lost here will never be forgotten. outside i take care, 21 chair sit


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