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you are saying with the elections, there is a chance for change? >> with the elections, they could change. more to the point, by demanding transparency and politics, by getting rid of the unlimited, anonymous money, the dark money flowing in politics, which we can do, which we will be voting on this year, that is a potential turning point for american democracy to put it back in the hands of the people that do the voting, pay the taxes and are the citizens, rather than an elite group of all dark's that want to run the country from behind the scenes, using massive amount of money to make the republicans do what they want. >> senator, i wish you the best of luck. before time runs out and we lose complete control of our government, senator sheldon whitehouse, thank you for your time and joining us. >> good to be with you. >> coming up this hour of ayman,
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holding republicans accountable. the audacious effort that one group is taking to make sure that some election deniers never work again. then the trumps must testify. new details on the order -- of the civil investigation and president biden's efforts to reform police system, two years on after george floyd's death. i am ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. >> one of the most important features of a healthy democracy is holding officials who do wrong accountable. this week, there have been some interesting developments in outside efforts to punish republicans who work to overturn the results of the 2020 election. the fourth circuit of appeals this wrote that participants in an instruction can be barred from holding office. the decision came in the case
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at the republican madison cawthorn, before losing the primary despondent, faced a challenge by north carolina voters, arguing that his actions at the capitol made him ineligible for future public service. the voting rights group, free speech for people is backing challenges from several people under a possible war law that blocks anyone from taking office who having previously taken an oath as a member of congress, engaged and an insurrection. then there is ted cruz. a group of lawyers known as the 65 project is attempting to dislodge the republican senator from texas and other lawyers that want to keep trump in power after losing the election. i will speak to that group's director in just a moment. there has also been a promising development of efforts of the federal government to hold these officials accountable. the new york times is reporting that the justice department has stepped up its criminal investigation into the plot to use a fake slate of electors to overturn president biden's victory. we will focus on trump's
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lawyers, people like rudy giuliani and john eastman. for more on these efforts, we are joined by michael teter, the managing director of the 65 project. michael, thank you so much are joining us. tell us about the mission of the 65 project, and what you hope to achieve with it? >> the 65 project was organized to hold accountable the -- they have a responsibility to the public and to the profession to make sure that they are telling the truth to the court, that they are not engaging in fraudulent, bogus lawsuits. the effort to overturn the elections is the most egregious example of what a lawyer should not be doing. we need to hold them accountable and create a system of deterrence to stop lawyers from engaging in that behavior in the future. >> let's focus on ted cruz here in a moment. the complaint and gets with their careers, fog but -- widespread voting fraud and his
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participation in a lawsuit protesting the 2020 election results in pennsylvania. how did ted cruz crossed a line from, let's say, political speech to unethical conduct, in your eyes? >> it is a great question. ted cruz, like many republican officials, sought to overturn the election. he took an extra step, which is that he agreed to represent donald trump. he agreed to represent several pennsylvanian republicans for the bogus lawsuit in the united states supreme court. he lent his law license. he lent his respect and credibility of the legal profession to the cause. in doing so, he is been obligated to abide by the rules of professional conduct, he fell to do so. he should be punished for the. >> the texas they barr issued in the state republican attorney, ken paxton, for his effort to overturn the 2020 election. what are your thoughts on that?
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he, as well, is somebody that holds authority by the same time, engage an election denialism and overturning it? >> he did so in a way that was also as egregious as senator cruz. he led the charge, as well, that texas can have lawsuits. he can have four state delegates declared unconstitutional, therefore invalidated, therefore handing the election to trump and vice president trump. it is invalidating that the texas bar has supported this grievance, the complaint against ken paxton. his conduct clearly violated the rules of conduct in texas. he has another claim complaint that is already against him. he is notoriously egregious it is bad behavior. i think it is a sure sign that there will be some play against paxton moving forward. >> i want to get your reaction to the news this week, actually, that the justice department has
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intensified its criminal investigation into the team of trump lawyers who worked to overturn the election by trying to install fake alternate electors. how important is it for the government to move forward with this case? are you surprised that it has taken so long. it seems that anyone who is engaged in over during the election is guilty of committing a criminal act, but we are not seeing charges yet, and it has been almost two years. >> i think it is a great sign that the department of justice is moving forward. this is one big, grant scheme. every element of it. one of the reasons we organize the 65 project is because we recognize that the lawyers who filed these lawsuits were not seeking to win. they knew that they would not prevail in the court of law. they were using the lawsuits as political propaganda, as a tool so that they can hold rallies and say, we allege fraud, the courts are looking into it. they could stand in front of fans in parking lots and claim that there is fraudulent effort
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going on, and that the courts will validate it all. because of that, and because they were not expected to win, when they lost, all of the cases that they brought, that does not create in effect. we need to hold him accountable. that is the same for false electors. we've seen from john eastman's memo that false electors was a key part to get the pressure of vice president pence to overturn the world of people. it was, as the federal court already said in california, it was more likely than not, a criminal conspiracy. it is important for the department of justice to move forward. i am surprised that has taken as long as it has. on the other hand, it is important that they have a case ready, so that they can secure the big issues. >> baikal michael teter, for the 65 project, think joining us, i push your time. >> thank you, appreciate it, as well. >> trump and two of his kids are being ordered to testify under oath in new york civil investigations. but first, richard louis is here with the headlines.
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richard? >> here are some headlines we're watching for the hour. democratic parties headquarters on friday. prosecutors say that ian rogers planned a politically motivated attack after former president trump lost the 2020 election. russia's defense ministry says that their troops have captured a key railway junction in eastern ukraine. this is the second small city in the donbas region to ball to the russia's military. president zelenskyy offered this warning on friday, saying, quote, if the occupiers thinking that severodonetsk will be there is, they are wrong. alan white, the drummer for the rock been, yes, has died at the age of 72. he died it is seattle home on thursday, after battling great illness. his family said that he was a friend to all. more ayman with ayman mohyeldin after the break. more meets power? you try crazy things...
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appeals court has ordered donald trump and his two older children to testify under oath in a civil tax fraud investigation led by state attorney letitia james. they unanimously denied their attempts to -- the investigation was quote lawfully initiated at its outset and well founded. let's bring in our all-star saturday night panel for this jennifer reuben's opinion writer and msnbc political analyst, eugene daniels is a white house reporter for politico, he is the coauthor of playbook and an msnbc political contributor. joyce vance is a former u.s. attorney and an msnbc legal analyst. it's great of all three of you with us. joyce, i'll start with you, your reaction to the ruling from the new york state appeals court? >> well, this is the right ruling, it's clear that the former president and his kids should be treated just like anyone else under going a civil
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investigation and they should have to appear and be deposed. this isn't quite over yet, they still have one level of appeal, they can go to new york's highest appellate court and ask for a revision if they get the permission of the lower court that ruled against them, i'm sure they will run this one out for as long as they can before actually testifying. >> eugene, the trump team's playbook for the general six committee seems to be waiting up the clock hoping the republicans take back the house in the midterms and ultimately shut down the investigation, that obviously is not going to work in new york state given just the own investigation, i mean, are they expecting this to go forward, what do you anticipate them doing about this? >> joyce is exactly right, this is something that the trump family, the trump businesses have done for decades which is try to run out the clock in any lawsuit and that is what is going to continue to happen here, and we spent a lot of
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time talking about whether or not donald trump is going to be in legal trouble for his actions or inactions on january six. but i think the thing that is really interesting is that this case by the new york attorney general, the criminal probe by the da's office over many experts said that there's a lot more danger to donald trump and his family and businesses when it comes to the legal jeopardy, keep your eyes on this as it continues. they will try to run out the clock as long as they possibly can. as you said, it's a little bit different because there is no house that is going to come in with the republicans to save them, and laetitia james and the da's office have been doggett in their pursuit in this. >> jennifer, i want to get your reaction to what i was just discussing earlier with michael theater here, the justice department investigation into the fall sleep of pro trump electors, where are you hoping they will take this investigation? >> well, i would hope that this
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would be one part of the overall picture which is the attempt to defraud the american people, to defraud the united states in regard to the 2020 election. we are beginning to see now, i think, more attention, perhaps more focus, from the justice department. we know the january six committee is proceeding and we also have the criminal proceeding in georgia, being brought by the fulton county da. these are all aspects of an entire picture which donald trump stood out from the onset to claim he won the election even if he didn't. to attempt to intimidate local officials, state officials. attempt to intimidate his own vice president. and ultimately to rally the crowd on that january 6th day and set them off in a furious assault on the white house. so i think all of these factors are part of a home and i do
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remain concerned that the pace of the investigation from the point of view of the attorney general is quite slow and that time is running out when he may be unimpeded, certainly he can continue as part of the executive branch, but i do suspect that if the democrats take the house or the senate they will throw up all sorts of obstacles to defund any investigation and he will be in for a world of political trouble and hurt if he is not by then completed this investigation. it looks like he will not complete it this calendar year. >> joyce, this week the hill reported that ethics experts believe that it could be used to prosecute trump for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. this is a rarely used piece of legislation, you know, but i'm not a legal expert, what do you
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make of that approach? >> so, there are a lot of possible statutes that exist out there in the ether that could be used to talk to former president, but as a prosecutor i'm going to tell you that if you're going after a target like the former president, you want to drive straight up the middle. if you are trying to hold him responsible for an insurrection you want to charge him with the core statutes, with obstruction of congress, with conspiracy to defraud the united states, i hear a lot of conversation about some of the statutes that are very rarely used and they are rarely used for good reason, they are meant to address specific situations. there's a statute called miss persian which people discuss, and that is meant to address the role of minor players, donald trump's role here was not minor, it wasn't something that was merely an ethics violation, i don't mean that in a demeaning sense because i believe that these violations
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are very serious but he was a core central player in an insurrection against the country, if he is going to be prosecuted heated be prosecuted for that conduct. >> we're still learning more about the final weeks as jennifer of the trump administration and i want to switch your for a moment to this new york times article which reported, just this week that in the weeks before the trump administration and did jared kushner treasury secretary met with future business investors to a trip in the middle east. this raises questions about whether it is exploiting their relationships with foreign leaders for private business interest. your reaction to this development? we all have seen the headlines and we've seen the pictures of them in the middle east, getting millions if not billions of dollars for their own personal investment funds. >> sadly, i am not surprised in the least by this, we have the
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picture of a son in law, the president of the united states who had no qualifications to be in the white house, who underwent no confirmation because he was working in the white house. who never suffered any of his business relationships, who maintained a host of conflicts of interest and all along there was reporting, there was talk that he was playing the dual role, he was representative of the united states but also representing jared kushner, this is precisely what we have ethics rule, why we shouldn't allow relatives to serve in the white house, particularly when they refused to abide by the normal protocol that other members of the administration should follow. so, i think, once again, i come back to a plea for the united states congress while they have a majority, however slight, to look at some of these ethical problems and to figure out
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legislative solutions. not just to investigate wrongdoing that has occurred in the past by begin to formulate some compelling legislation that is going to prevent this from happening in the future, we don't want members of the family serving in the white house, unless they are extraordinarily well experienced. we don't want people maintaining their business interests and we do not want presidents taking -- you off with their finances in some kind of deep freeze or refused to explain how they've made their money. and so someone has pointed out in the congress, and in the white house who hasn't pushed for this, because going forward we're going to need these kinds of protections if we're gonna have the public trust in the federal government. >> joyce, could kushner faced charges for this, how do you draw that line how do you thread that needle, sort of speak, between taking those
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personal meanings on the sidelines of state business? >> so, like any other conduct, it would depend upon that there was some sort of fraud, as some sort of unjust enrichment here that they were engaged. it would be a conduct specific inquiry. but, something that i think we've all forgotten at this point is what it felt like in the early days of the trump administration when the hits kept coming, when we learned that there is both criminality and misconduct. i'm reminded that kushner could not pass a background clearance. that is an alarming red flag in his background and an abundant reason to investigate and scrutinize these deals that look like they traded heavily on white house influence. >> my god, i forgot about that, joyce, it's incredible when you think about all the things that have happened since that early period of the administration when he didn't pass the background check.
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eugene, i need to ask you, you spent a lot of time in d.c. on the hill, do you get a sense that there is an appetite to look into the final months of the trump administration and what was happening as everyone was beginning, as we are seeing now allegedly enrich themselves, on the company dime so to speak? >> i think there is, it's not growing as fast as i think a lot of people would have wanted to, right? it hasn't reached a peak and it has not reach a most influential people in congress, the people with the most power. but it is there. the problem is this congress is focusing on so many other different things that happen either during the trump administration, tied to january six, and in those final weeks of the trump administration, so that's gonna be another thing that they're gonna have to look into. i don't see an appetite for an investigation into this, that could change as always, we are never sure what the doj is working on as much as we as reporters want to know, and we
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try to get as many leaks as we can, they're pretty tight lit. these are the types of think that the judge in the congress could be looking into, whether or not they are is a whole different question. >> all right panel, stick around for me please, we have plenty more to discuss. up next if congress won't act on gun control, what can average americans due to still make a difference? ll make a difference? at 4 months, after just 2 doses. skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms such as fevers, sweats, chills, muscle aches or coughs, or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. ♪ nothing is everything ♪ talk to your dermatologist about skyrizi. learn how abbvie could help you save.
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♪ ♪ we believe there's an innovator in all of us. that's why we build technology that helps everyone come to the table and do more incredible things. ♪ ♪ in the wake of two devastating mass shootings in just two weeks, the message from the american people rings loud and clear. we want action. a new poll just found that 65% of voters favor stricter gun control. that gets even higher one broken down by specific proposals. a majority of voters, republicans, democrats and independents alike, overwhelmingly favor comments and gun control measures like requiring background checks, creating a national database with gun sales and banning
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buyer gun sales to people declare dangerous by a mental health provider. but here is the thing, we have seen this level of support before. as gallup has noted just last year, more calls for tougher gun control has generally spiked in the wake of prominent mass shootings and faded as the memory of each receded. how can we keep the pressure on and make sure this time different? my panel is back to discuss. jennifer, i want to start with you. every time this shooting happens, we see the cycle. we all remember the recent tragedy and hope it will finally be the tipping point, especially when it takes place at a school, and the victims are children, are you hopeful or optimistic that this will be the case this time? >> i don't want to go that far. i think we are seeing a small bipartisan group of senators. the senate is where the problem resides. that is where the filibuster
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remains in place. virtually all republicans, frankly, opposing any sort of reasonable gun control. that remains the barrier. it remains to be seen whether this group of senators can come up with any formulation. frankly, in the past, it was 77% of republican side on corporate flag laws, which would allow people to report someone with a suspected danger to themselves or others, take their weapons, temporarily, or at least taken into custody. but until the voters, frankly, make a more significant change and provide the democrats, who are pro gun legislated republicans, if they are out there, with a more significant majority in the united states senate. and they're willing to address the filibuster. i fear that this will come to naught. i do want to reiterate, however, that a lot of this takes place
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at the state level. we should not neglect governors, lawmakers, many of whom will be on the ballot in november, who -- for example, in texas, have made it easier to get guns. they actually lowered the age by which someone can walk in and get a semi automatic weapon. i think it is not simply the senate that we should keep an eye on but really legislators throughout the country. it may be that this becomes a higher priority for voters and a top issue in the election. i hope so because that is the way, ultimately, you will change the political dynamic, by changing the people in office. >> eugene, there are signs of progress, it is early, but there are signs. you have congressman jacobs who represents one of the most conservative congressional districts, who has become the first republican to call for a weapons ban in the wake of a
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mass shootings. this comes after he was endorsed by the nra in 2020. we see more republicans follow suit? >> it is possible, but like jen said, i am not optimistic that this will change. i am one of the millennials that remembers and grown up from columbine to robb and seen all the types of killings of people who are older, but most importantly, in this conversation, children. what we saw after sandy hook ten years ago, no action could come from congress. to me, manchin, fell down and burned, nothing came out of it. how can we speck anything to change his time? this is something that is uniquely american. it is multi faceted. it is complicated. so is foreign policy, health care, and somehow we are able to figure out some of those things. i think as i have been talking
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to republican lawmakers, who you hear from them that this is about mental health, or this is about luck indoors, or whatever that is, a lot of other countries have struggled with mental health and racism, as was the biggest problem when it came to the buffalo shooting, struggle with antisemitism -- we are the only country that has this epidemic of gun violence. until lawmakers, republicans, can answer the question, why would anyone, especially an 18 year old need an ar-15, i don't see anything changing on capitol hill. i ran into senator cory booker at a restaurant tonight to go. i asked him what he thought. he said that he saw the democrats working in good faith. he is hopeful that his republican colleagues are doing the same, and that, reportedly, he and others were taking that we would see a more moderate bill. but at this point, any action on this issue is something that
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the american people will welcome because then it opens the door for further action. that is something that folks can keep your eye on. optimism is not one that a lot people have right now. >> joyce, to jennifer's point about something has to happen on this they and local level. this week, california governor gavin newsom and top democrats pledged to fast-track gun control action, including legislation that would require school officials to investigate credible threats of mass shootings, allow private citizens to sue fire our manufacturers and more than a dozen other fire arms reduction policies. in the absence of federal action, how much power do states have here? particularly on this, which i am fascinated with, the ability for victims to sue gun manufacturers? >> the states do have a lot of room to act in these areas.
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there will inevitably be challenges to some of the steps, saying it's unconstitutional. there will be challenges saying, for instance, the provision that grants the right to sue is perhaps in conflict with federal, preemptive policy in this area. let me make sure that we all understand one of the big problems of having this patchwork built at state legislation. it means that there will continue to be some states where it is very easy to get guns. my state, alabama, guns that were purchased or stolen and alabama often showed up at crime scenes in places like new jersey and new york, where it is more difficult to get a firearm. we were in essence a source state for these prime guns that were acquired illegally, whether that was a gun shows or person to person sales or death. as long as we have that patchwork, we won't have the level of safety and security that we need. that is why it is so important that the senate, that this
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bipartisan effort succeeds, or that democrats simply refuse to be steamrolled one more time and find the ability to act here. >> jennifer, in a recent piece, you wrote that america's gun issue is part of a much bigger problem, saying, in part, quote, our hearts are broken because our democracy is broken. this is something that i talked to senator sheldon from the white house about. why is the u.s. fundamentally ill-equipped to deal with issues? what is the solution here? he agrees that we are at a point where our democracy is not responding to the will of the majority of americans who want to see action on this issue. >> that is right. those statistics and pull the numbers that you put up were quite remarkable. it is hard to get 88% of americans to agree that the earth is round. when we have people that have this one consensus that something needs to be done, and the political system is unable to respond, you really do have
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a crisis of democracy. i think it is the confluence of two factors. one is the migration of the republican party into a right-wing nationalist party, which basically performs political rage for its supporters rather than address actual problems. combine that with the constitutional bias in favor of minorities, not racial or at the minorities but political minorities. you have a situation when even if there is tremendous groundswell support for you name it, guns, immigration reform, that the wheels of government can come to a halt because the republican party wants to do nothing on many of these issues. they had the ability to do nothing because of the senate
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and filibuster. i think the american people have to decide whether they want to keep returning these people to the united states senate, and whether there is time for some real fundamental reform of many of our institutions. terminates minutes for the supreme court, a form of the filibuster for the united states senate. there are lots of good ideas out there, but until the voters insist on changing the people who are there in washington, none of this will get done. that is why you fill this huge frustration, sadness, frankly, rage, that many people feel that our government is simply not capable of responding to the needs of the people. we really, i think, are reaching a crossroads in our ability to governor ourself and engage in self government. if we can address problems like
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this, what kind of democracy are we? >> such a fundamental question. a big part of that democracy, eugene, is activism. what kind of pressure are activists putting on the white house? or based on your reporting, where is the pressure coming in from at the white house at this moment? >> but the pressure is coming from all sides of the debate. that is because the issue of gun violence and mass shootings, it touches every different constituency that the democrats in this white house care about. whether you are talking about -- because a buffalo or groups that are fighting antisemitism in this country, whether they're talking about run-of-the-mill can control groups, there are constant conversations pushing this administration. the kind of things that we are looking for, especially hoping that some kind of senate debate and vote on expanding background checks, more money for community violence initiatives, and on the white house specifically, a lot of
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advocates that i've been talking to want to establish a white house office of gun violence prevention. they basically want a gun controls are. someone to focus on this all the time. so so that every time there's mass shooting, all the focus goes to someone that is constantly involved and looking into that. i spoke to one of the fathers of the sandy hook child. his son's name was daniel. you talk to these parents who not just went through this but are continuing to push and fight, they are finding hope that this will change. to them, their child's death cannot go in vain. they are talking to the white house all the time, telling them this. they are hearing these stories, they are seeing these statistics, they are meeting with these folks, but until those actual political will and congress to change that, none of it matters. all the pressure goes --
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however, the pressure is important because you see a bipartisan effort. we did not see that right after buffalo. we did not see that earlier this year with other mass shootings. the pressure is moving but slowly. >> panel, i will ask all be to stick around for us. we more to discuss after the break. we will switch gears. we will try to have a little fun as we enter the unofficial beginning of summer. surround. unofficial beginning of surround and in it. mostly. here to meet those high standards is the walgreens health and wellness brand. over 2000 high quality products. rigorously tested by us. real world tested by you. and delivered to your door in as little as one hour.
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that the news has been tough lately, it has been really tough. i needed to step away at times and indulge in a little bit of a escapism, i hope that you are too. i spent this afternoon watching a little bit of the real madrid liverpool game, real madrid pulling off their 14th champions league trophy. it was a remarkable game. something else i'm going to confess that i'm looking forward to, the new top con movie, i don't think i'm alone on this, some members of my team had to be told what the original top gun movie was. this is obviously a sequel to the 80s classic, it is projected to rig more than 100 $50 million in its opening weekend according to that line. >> what's the hell? >> good morning aviators. this is your captain speaking.
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>> and we're off. >> jennifer, let's start with you, how are you spending some of your time? how do you escape from this onslaught of negative bad news? how do you disconnect from middle? >> well, i did watch some of the real madrid liverpool, i'm a liverpool fan -- >> nice. >> heartbroken again. >> heart broken again, yes. this weekend i'm going to focus on two things, i want to see the downton abbey movie. that is a guilty pleasure. some real escapism, look at some beautiful scenery and wonderful acting. the other is the french open, the tennis tournament is going on and you have a fabulous time in the history of the sport when the old people are still there. but you have a whole crop of new stars, both on the men's
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and women side coming up. i think it should be some great tennis this weekend. >> you're absolutely right about that, we will be catching that tomorrow. i saw nadal, and i was thinking, shouldn't he be getting some rest before his match tomorrow? >> eugene, you said you are a millennial, did you know about the original top gun movie, be honest? and more importantly, what do you plan on doing this memorial day weekend? >> absolutely. of course i knew. i'm going to spend this weekend trying to read some fiction, something that has nothing to do with my job, it was a heavy week for me and all of you watching. i've watched obi-wan cano b, stranger things has come out. things that have nothing to do with politics. except there was a little bit of scandal. it's worse in that world, so it felt better to see some of
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that. and lots of skin care. >> yes, self care is important, you have to do it you have to do. joyce, i follow you on twitter, i see a lot of the post, you are posting post about your chickens and all kinds of other animals. what do you plan on doing this weekend? what do you like to do to escape? >> you know, the weather in alabama is surprisingly nice for this time of year, not to say that it is not ungodly humid, we will stay outside as much as we can, we're lucky to have some of our kids in town and we have four tiny chicks just about nine days old now, so it is actual loosely more engrossing than watching tv watching the little ones run around and learning how to fly. >> i have to ask you, joyce, do you like to get away from -- i know, as a legal mind, you are reading everything in trying to track all of this, do you ever say i'm gonna stop, take a break from it?
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i saw this week when you tweeted out after the shooting that you were done crying and that you wanted to get back to work and try to solve in whatever role you can the gun issue in this country. i'm wondering if you ever unplug from it all? >> absolutely, i do. i am a mom, i have four kids, more or less grown at this point, but i appreciate the importance of hard work, and i'm appreciate the importance of hard play. i think we all have to make time for ourselves, and we are grieving as a country, we're grieving for these families that have lost loved ones over these past few shootings. but something that i know and in my own family, my father in law was murdered, it was absolutely horrible. something that got us through that time was understanding that he would not have wanted us to go through an extended period of mourning. the most important thing to him was for him to -- was for us to get back up in
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honor his memory. i hope that once there is enough time for these families to think through the issues, that they will feel that same way. none of us should feel guilty about taking a break from the pressing news all around us, to make sure that we are taking care of ourselves in that we can take care of our families. >> yes, we all desperately need some good news in the next couple of weeks, and the couple of months, it has been a difficult period for this country collectively. we mourn for the families in buffalo, and the school shooting, that we are seeing so much strife and violence. and unnecessary violence. jennifer, eugene, joyce, thank you for joining us. greatly appreciated this conversation. next, president biden's executive order to reform policing practices, two years after george floyd was murdered. as murdered we believe there's an innovator in all of us.
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administer medical aid to those who are injured. president biden's order comes after efforts to consolidate bipartisan support around the george floyd justice and policing act, which obviously stalled in congress, the floyd family along with the relatives of other black people killed by police in recent years including elijah mcclain, breonna taylor all attended the ceremony. and they said in a statement, while this action does not have the long term impact we have hoped for, it does represent incremental progress and we need to commit ourselves to making progress every day. thank you for making time for us on this holiday weekend, come back tomorrow night at eight eastern on msnbc, we're starting an hour earlier tomorrow. the president and ceo of the naacp derek johnson will be here, until we meet again, i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york, goodnight.
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menendez -- the 21 lives lost this week, from the police response on campus to our response as a nation. how does this tight-knit community move forward? a state lawmaker helps us answer that question. and the shooting here hitting home for many families across the country, two women whose lives are changed forever by gun violence. they will in

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