tv American Voices With Alicia Menendez MSNBC May 28, 2022 7:00pm-8:00pm PDT
hello everyone, i am alicia menendez -- the 21 lives lost this week, from the police response on campus to our response as a nation. how does this tight-knit community move forward? a state lawmaker helps us answer that question. and the shooting here hitting home for many families across the country, two women whose lives are changed forever by gun violence. they will join us as a new hour
of american voices, live from texas, begins now. today, a push for accountability in this tight-knit community. until tuesday, uvalde was a quiet town where everybody knows your name, now the scene of america's latest mass shooting. around town, you will see uvalde strong signs hanging outside businesses and homes. families working to make sense of what happened, coming together to draw messages of hope on sidewalks with chalk on ministry. it is clear that the 21 lives lost here will never be forgotten. outside i take care, 21 chair sit outside to honor the 19 kids and two teachers taken from this town far too soon. live stolen from senseless violence. the daycares honors, like most uvalde, you many the students and watch them grow up over the years.
we are learning more about their lives, their unforgettable personalities behind each face, big plans for the future. rodriguez had big dreams of becoming a marine biologist. she planned to study at texas a&m. her mom said that she was caring and goal driven. her classmate lexi rubio wanted to become a lawyer. her family said that she loved learning about feminism and played volleyball in middle school. as we honor the victims, we are struggling to understand how a gun man was able to get inside or school in the first place, and why the gunman was allowed to stay inside for as long as he did. it is a question at the forefront in today's new york times. the editorial board examining the police response, writing, quote, 17 minutes elapsed after the gunmen walk inside before police, believing there was no kids at risk, finally confronted him. meanwhile, 9-1-1 dispatchers received several calls from
inside the classroom, including repeated calls from a child begging them to send the police. those officers had been training for years for just such an attack. yet when the moment came, all that preparation did nothing to stop a gunman wielding and assault rifle in a school full of children. we will get into all of it tonight, including the missteps by police directly refute the mainstream messaging that we have heard over and over again, from republicans and the nra since the tragedy unfolded. we are talking about the gop good guys with guns argument, now dismantled. >> there is no doubt that we need to do more to keep children in school safe. we know from past experience that the most effective tool for keeping kids safe is armed law enforcement on the campus. >> the reality is how horrible as what happened, it could have been worse. the reason it was not worse is
because law enforcement officials did what they do. they showed amazing courage by running toward gunfire for the singular purpose of trying to save lives. it is a fact that because of their quick response getting on the scene, being able to respond to the gunmen and eliminate him, they were able to save lives. >> the on scene commander considered it a barricaded suspect and no more children were at risk. obviously, based upon the information that we have, there were children in that classroom that were at risk, and it was, in fact, a still active shooter situation.
from the benefit of hindsight, of course, it was not the right decision. it was the wrong decision. there is no excuse for that. >> i want you to look behind me. there are 21 crosses, representing 21 people who died in that school shooting. there is a line down the block of people mourning, people that lost their community. the governor said that it could be worse. it has been nonstop for texas government greg abbott. he's now blaming law enforcement for misleading him on the timeline of events. joining me now msnbc, correspondent sam brock joining me and shaquille brewster who is at the nra convention in houston. sam, i have to ask you, we have gone through the timeline a number of times. what is the most egregious part of this? what are people most upset about? >> when you talk to all these people, i would make the same point about how long this line goes, four blocks. people who just want to come and pay their respects. >> it is 97 degrees, people are standing in the heat pay
respects for their loved ones. >> it is not just here. everywhere you drive around uvalde, we will see 21 crosses on parks and street walks. you will get a sense and understanding of how deeply impacted people are. the original question, what is the one issue that people cannot wrap their heads around right now? is the series of 9-1-1 calls. we are not talking about 2 to 3 minutes, it is an extended period that started at 12:03, when the first call came in saying, we are in room 1:12. at the same time, there are 19 law enforcement officials inside the hallway, not moving. there was another call that said there are multiple people dead. following that, there are still 8 to 9 people alive in the class, where are you? 12:43, 12:47, please, please come in and help us. eventually at 12:51, federal agents overrode the guides they were given anyone in. i would also add that there was a state law updated a couple
years ago, after santa fe, which was a priority of life, listed in very clear terms in this document -- number one, civilians, number two, law enforcement and respondents, number three, offenders. there is a hierarchy. you are also talking about messages of stop the killing. there is the list that you see on the screen there. officers first priority is to is to confront him. efforts responder unwilling to put the lives -- to place the lives of the innocent above their own safety should consider another career field. just to pump the brakes for a second, it is important to know. i talked to some groups would school training, they said to not rush to judgment right now before we understand more about why the officers were not acting immediately. one thing is very clear, the guidance from the state says in no uncertain terms, if there is a threat and kids lives can be saved, even if this person is
behind a both the door, you try to get in. you bang on it to get him away for the children, until someone can figure out a way in. you do not stand there and wait to see what happens. >> that is what you are hearing from people in uvalde, my appreciate that context, sam. >> shaquille, protesters are outside nra convention in houston, what is the response from nra members to protesters outside? >> things are wrapping up, the second day of the convention, we saw people going in to the main convention area, where you have rows and rows of guns. guns enthusiasts, when you have conversations with them, they say, look, they understand. i spoke to a woman that said she was heartbroken about what you saw earlier this week that a town about four and a half hours from where we are right now, she had tears in her eyes. she said that she believes that having gun restrictions would not prevent what we saw earlier this week, that is a fundamental right.
she fears not having her gun with her. as convention goers are leaving this convention center, they are being met with protesters on the other side of the barricades. there is a large security presence outside. we have not seen physical altercations, but protesters are vocal and asking for common sense gun safety measures, specifically, they call for universal background checks. they call for a soul up and dance. they call for strengthening of red flag laws. i want you to listen to one of my conversations with one of those protesters outside of the convention center. >> i am a mother. i love children. i hope to have grandchildren someday. i don't want my grandchildren to have to worry about going to school. i know that i have too many friends whose kids have grown up learning about how to protect themselves if issued are committed to school. that is not right. something has to change.
i am hoping that enough people will get involved, and we can vote these people out and change the laws. >> while we did say things went fairly as scheduled with speakers, for example, former president trump and texas senator, ted cruz, tonight, there is supposed to be a concert. that is still happening, but at least four out of the seven performers that are headlining dropped out. one saying that it would be disrespectful to the families who are mourning in uvalde. alicia? >> shaq brewster, as always, sam, thank you for being with me. joining me now, trey martinez fischer, texas's representative, thank you for being here. we have heard a lot about the special session. i want to hear from you what we think could actually get done should there be a special session? >> sure, thank you, alicia. first, it's important to note that special sessions used to
be very rare and uncommon. our constitution says that has the before exceptional circumstance. i have been in 15 special session since 2000. they are very common and easy to do. in fact, we spent three special sessions on voter suppression just last year. the reason why this is important's families are hurting. communities are trying to put themselves back together. there are a lot of people living in fear. we need to come together, and we need to find a solution. we have had discussions in the past about red flag laws. we have had discussions in the past about universal back checks. in fact, the lieutenant governor a couple of years ago was supported of that measure. but even more important than that, alicia, in uvalde, summer school begins in about nine days on june six. the notion that a lot of these children, it is important summer for summer school given
that -- summer school will be very important, the notion of sending our children back to the schools with this nightmare lingering in their minds tells me that we need to get back there just for that. if we will honor the lives of the 19 children and the two teachers who gave their lives in this horrific slaughter, we need to make sure something good come from it. we need to make sure that we are doing everything we can to protect every nine, ten, 11 or 15-year-old in a public school. we will protect them, and we meanwhile we say. >> which is going to require directly refuting those republicans who have these nonsense arguments about why this happens. i want you to listen to senator ted cruz. this is what he said on friday at the nra convention in houston. >> now is the time for action, to protect our rights, to stop those with evil in their hearts,
and to do everything humanly possible to protect our children and protect our families. ultimately, as we all know, what stops armed bad guys's armed good guys. >> and yet, we know what's happened here in uvalde, there were armed professionals who were not able to stop the shooter. that argument falls apart. i'm not sure how he can continue to make it. >> no, no, you are right. in our community, look, ted's remarks are more analogous to somebody that has no shame, that they could make those comments knowing what he knows. in fact, senator cruz has been probably well briefed better than you and i at this moment. there were 19 good guy standing
in the hall, and they felt like they could not respond. we will get those details and drill down on every second of that day to figure out what went wrong where and why. but most importantly, you want to talk about the guys, we should listen to the good guys. i think governor abbott knows this. i think senator cruz knows this. when texas decided to make the state the wild wild west and require an open carry without a gun permit, every single police chief across the state came out against it. every chief said that this is bad. the enforcement does not need this. here we are now, with a young man with a weapon of war in a classroom for well over 40 minutes to an hour, shooting hundreds of rounds. people were still alive fearing for their lives, and officers, for some reason, did not go into attack the active shooter. that tells us a lot about why we need more than just good guys. we need good loss. >> state representative trey
martinez fischer, thank you so much for being with us. next, so many communities, so many families across the country have been touched by gun violence, what do they need? what do they deserve? later, how does real lasting change happen? we will discuss how to break through the politics. that is ahead. but first richard louis with the other big stories that we're tracking here on msnbc. richard? >> thank you, alicia. the vice president harris attended the funeral of the victim of a buffalo shooting. during the service, she said that we will not be afraid to stand up for what is right, for what is believed to be a shooting that killed ten people motivated by race. jury deliberations continue on tuesday of the definition trial between actors johnny depp and amber heard. jurors began sifting through six weeks of testimony on friday to decide whether heard defamed depp and a washington post as say. heard accusing depp of domestic
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just dropped off at school. i didn't know it was going to be the last time i would see her. >> longest day ever. it was the longest day ever. >> those families will never be the same in the families are not alone in their grief, guns have become the leading cause of death among children and teens surpassing car accidents for the first time in decades. researchers at the university of michigan found gun related deaths surged more than 30% among young people, largely because of an increase in homicides, kids mostly dying to everyday gun violence, not just mass shootings. the calls for action to protect our kids, calls for compassion for those who are grieving in ulvade and across the country because of gun violence. i'm joined by two moms who know
the pain too well. her six-year-old daughter was killed in the sandy hook shooting, also with me malady, a mom's the man action volunteer and an ordained minister, her mother and her niece both victims of gun violence. thank you both for being with us. i want you to tell us, what is it that these families need? what we need to understand about where they are going through and what they need in this moment? >> i would want for america to understand that this is something that doesn't go away, i would want for america to understand that this is not about a formulaic model, support, each family has different needs and most importantly they need us to show up the. ministry of presents required to survive this kind of trauma is for a lifetime. so please show up for survivors. not just the ones in mass shootings, but 120 lives per
day are lost, and we need to show up for them. >> melody, i want to be completely transparent with our viewers, i wanted nelba to come on and have this conversation, she thoughtfully said i think i should be side by side, but from someone who has experienced every day gun violence, so help us understand what this looks like from your vantage point, help us understand people who have experience that type of loss, what do they need? and why that piece of the conversation so often seems to get lost? >> thank you so much for having me this evening and thank you nelba. first of all, mass shootings are just the tip of the iceberg. we have so many other shootings that are occurring daily. my mother was killed in gun violence and domestic violence in front of my little sisters. they were ten, 11 and 12 years old. my middle sister had one child,
and she went to the beach a few years ago to watch the motorcycle parades during those parades, shooting broke out on the beach and sandy never came home again. sandy, again was my sister's only child. there were two other young men that were shot that day. but those shootings that are occurring every day at the beach, at the pools, on the street corners, on someone's porch, and of course in our schools and supermarkets, they have to stop, they have to stop, lives have to be saved. we need to do something, our senate needs to act. we need people to get involved, america needs to yell at the top of their lungs. do something, save our children, save our families. >> nelba, one of the things that i have learned from watching you, following you, is
how much is asked of families, how much is asked of survivors, how those asks are often misplaced, can you give us a sense of what that looks like, and where instead we should be putting those calls for actions? >> certainly. i am but 15 messages just in the last few days saying to show crime scenes, autopsy photos, that would convince america, i would like to ask people to stop doing that. if we don't address systemic racism, systemic racism is really what keeps us from caring about every day violence, typically every violence is happening in rural and urban communities and it is happening to black and brown people. systemic racism is really what is driving survivor care. the apathy we have towards this and probably overwhelm to. i'm happy to talk about the asks of me, but i feel like it is important in this moment to
talk about systemic, racism's and influences how we care about victims. and ageism. how have we already moved on from the elders lost in buffalo? we are having so many shootings that we are forgetting people, and in survivor care, no one should be left behind. so i implore people to, you know, pick a cause, if you wanna join something, joined something. if you want to help a survivor, find a way to do that. but please help us, because not everybody is going to make it. >> melody, i have to ask you as a person of faith yourself, what goes through your mind when you hear a lawmaker invoke a god or offer their thoughts and prayers when they talk about gun safety and gun violence? >> i am a person of faith, great faith and i am active in the ministry ever since my mother was taken in domestic
violence to help people get out of the situations. but, when they say thoughts and prayers to me, i immediately think what is said in the word of god that faith without work is dead. so we need action, we don't just need your thoughts and prayers, we need you to do something. >> nelba, melody, thank you so much for spending some time with me. our live coverage from ulvade when american voices continues after this. nues after this so they shoot it. hmm... back to the miro board. dave says “feed it?” and dave feeds it. just then our hero has a breakthrough. "shoot it, camera, shoot a movie!" and so our humble team saves the day by working together.
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for our lives cofounder, david hoff, urging the government to follow florida's lead to take action on gun reform. a shooter killed 17 people in parkland. they raise the age of purchase from 18 to 21 and put a red flag law in place, allowing authority to seize guns from anyone deemed to be a threat. that law has been employed nearly 6000 times since 2018. joining me now, debbie mucarsel-powell and david jolly of florida. -- debbie, what lessons do you think florida offers other states on gun reform? >> look, if one of the things that happened in 2018 after the tragedy of parkland, people in florida had had it with the inaction by officials here.
if you remember in 2016, we had a devastating shooting at pulse nightclub that killed 49 people. florida needs immediately activated and demanded action. it was an election year. rick scott actually passed the extremist protection law, the red flag law and raised the minimum age requirement to 21, responding to the families of floridians that demanded their elected officials to act. i think that is one of the things that when i was in congress, if we can do this in florida which is a purple state, we can do that at the federal level. there is absolutely no reason why republican senators are refusing to pass these bills. let me just say that what is happening in america, inaction we are seeing is the greatest moral failure of our time. we need more from these officials. >> david, i think debbie makes a great point, which is about the urgency at the moment. at the same time, you have republicans proposing solutions
that had nothing to do with guns. they talk about militarizing schools, strengthening the family unit, giving good guys with guns to protect against bad guys, we watched how that played out here. we know how that played out. given this moment, how do you breakthrough that inane rhetoric? >> the republican default position is fairly absurd. cause analysis will suggest that the reason of gun violence is not because we sufficiently harden our grocery stores, synagogues and schools, it is because in the united states of america, the ease of access to firearms by anyone that wants one, is right there in front of them. that is the problem, the guns and access to them. i step be referred to in parkland, but we did see there was a little glimpse of the political pressure became greater than the hardened pressure of the gun lobby on republican legislators. i think we will watch this play out in washington.
the default position of mitch mcconnell and kevin mccarthy is the do what the nra and gun law because them to do, unless political pressure across the country becomes too great. similarly, in texas legislator, governor abbott, they will do what the gun lobby thousand to do, unless the political pressure overwhelms the position of the gun lobby. >> here is the thing, debbie, correct me if i am wrong, because you and david both know florida better than i do. there is also the idea of the nra as a bogeyman. they will come into primaries, swoop in, punish republicans who vote for gun safety, that actually did not play out in florida. what if they baked in this idea that they were more politically powerful and a primary than they actually are? >> look, they continue to spread the misinformation that has been ingrained by the nra that good guys with guns will be better to combat bad guys
with guns. this is not true. they always talk about the second and then it right. let me talk about elected officials, their constitutional duty to pass laws to protect the security of their constituents. one thing that they need to remember, as we bring up primaries, is that every floridian that we talk to, most of the florida areas, whether they are hispanic, african american, white, republicans, democrats, about 86% of floridians right now support a universal background bill. close to 75% of floridians say that they would not vote for a candidate that does not vote for comment since reform legislation. it is our responsibility to educate the voters and to tell them that they have a choice. november is coming. i think that if the senate refuses to act, they will pay a high political price for the. >> here is the thing, david, if you have names, i want to name people. we had sound from adam
kinzinger talking about the fact that we need to start being honest about that. you have seen rick scott lead in the past on this. who do you think actually has the capacity to stand up to offer a profile of courage and actually get something done? whether that is red flag laws, raising the minimum age to buy a gun, there are things that can be done to our very popular with the american people, that just need republicans in the senate to move on. >> not a single elected official in today's republican party, alicia. i say that not as a broad swipe but because there is an important nuance here. when we saw republicans act i, referred to the fact that political pressure being greater than the pressure of the lobby, once that fulcrum was crossed, the republican actions were still done in full coordination with the gun lobby. the gun lobby gave republicans permission for incremental change. coming out in vegas, recalled that the only incremental change that made it to the
table was this ban on bump stocks. kevin mccarthy and republicans in congress said that legislation is not need to do the. the administration can. let me tell you what was actually going beyond behind the scenes. the administration that kevin mccarthy knew that federal courts will be invalidated if done by regulation. it was done in coordination of what happened. the trump administration said to america that we just banned bump stocks. two years later, the federal courts invalidated that and say you cannot do that the regulation. whatever happens, it would not be republican leadership. the public pressure becomes so great that republican leaders and the gun lobby have to make a dark, backroom deal on how to get to the next stage and survive the next election. debbie, david, as always, but thank you both for talking to me. for parents like me, like you, this week has been fear and frustration at the top of mine. what they're saying about
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that parents of this country are at -- after the shooting in uvalde. many are not consumed by fear and uncertainty as they send babies off to school. >> the horror of another school shooting on their minds, parents had to wake up and do within normally do on a wednesday, get their kids out the door for school. >> i am wondering how i will tell my children about what they would hear in school and on the news today, and how to not to frighten them. >> they got on the bus, and i sat here and cried, wondering if they will come home. i lingered a bit longer at home, hugged a bit tighter, dropped up after i made sure that they were inside, sat in the car and prayed a little more specifically for their safe return to my arms tonight.
>> i felt his cheek next to mine, and i thought, how lucky am i that i get to do that this morning, and so many families in texas don't. how lucky am i that i live in a country that allows us to to keep happening >> i am panicking. i am scared. i am double thinking myself. should i send them or not? >> i tell myself that my two kids, clara and charlie, are two of tens of million, and today probably won't be the day that i won the worst lottery that there ever was. teacher matt also pledges this to their students. >> i will stand between you and whatever bad thing has come into our school. >> one mom in arkansas could not even send her son to school. >> they did place extra police officers are on campus today, but i still felt more
comfortable with him at home with me. >> in some places, fear runs deeper because they were victims of school shootings themselves, like in parkland, florida. it jogs up the memories of our own tragedy and creates a level of fear and hansen to de-in our communities. >> then there are the parents in uvalde themselves. >> my five-year-old did go to school. having to explain to him why he had to hide under his desk for over half the day is very hard. he can't comprehend it. he just said that he was happy that him and his best friend were safe. >> being safe at school is something that kids and their parents should be able to take for granted, but they don't, not in this country, not anymore. >> our thanks to stephanie gosk for that report. julian castro is back with us. julian, during one of the breaks, we talked about the fact that i have a five-year-old and pre-k. the day after the shooting, they had an active shooting
drill at school. i could not stop thinking about her teacher and what happened here and uvalde. you had to, with the strain, leader class bravely through the general, knowing what happened with kids much older than my youngest. this conversation that you're having a home? >> they pick up on it, as you know. they pick up on so much. they have a little bit of a conversation with our seven -year-old in an age appropriate way. the teacher in his first grade classroom had a conversation as well in an age appropriate way. i think for all of us, from parents to teachers, for the students themselves, this one feels different. >> you are married to an educator. this is real to you and multiple ways. >> for sure, there is a sadness that this is what we have become as a country. there is anger. people are infuriated. what i heard today, above everything else, from parents here that they want change. sometimes people do not know
with policy change they want, who they need to get it done, but they say that something has to change. >> that is clear, i think, regardless of where you live or who you talk to, there is this sense that something has to change. this cannot be happening. julian castro, you are staying with me. next, my conversation with the texas state representative from uvalde. that is after the break. of the mueller aerial in the center of uvalde after outpouring of support and sanders continues. >> it makes me sad. i lived here my whole life. i know that this never happened when i lived here. i just hope that people who died, the teachers, also, i feel bad for the parents. who did not get to see the kids anymore.
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texas kleptocrat to. confront governor abbott at a press conference this week, what was your message to him? >> alicia, i asked specifically to bring us back to a special session to create some change in our gun laws. let's be clear, we don't have responsible gun laws in texas. we have asked over and over, session after session, too create change, and nothing has happened. in 2019 after el paso and sutherland springs, this governor suggested 17 school hardening measures. we saw where those measures got us here. it is time to create some common sense solutions. you have to be 21 to buy a handgun, but somehow, you can get an ar-15 at 18. that makes no sense. we need change. >> we talk a lot about the influence of the nra, the hold that they had over the republican party, their fear of entering into a primary that ultimately becomes more competitive because of this issue. tell me more as a legislator,
as someone trying to get things done what it is your experience of working with their fellow legislators? would be perceived to be the issue? >> you saw yesterday, -- talking about how somebody broke their eye glasses here in the state government can help them pay for that, that is why i went over there. i was here at the time. i ran over there to demand this special session because we have a fecklessly or that is at the begging of the feet of the nra for more money. that is what this is about. they are beholden to the nra and their financial donations, simply for the sake of staying in power. that cannot be anymore. we need change in the state. we need change in the country. >> i think there are a lot of people that want to see gun safety measures, who in the past have wanted to go big. now there seems to be a little bit more of an appetite for some incremental change. is that where you think there is the possibility of movement here in texas? >> listen, we had a soft
weapons ban on the federal level. we did not see these types of events. certainly, i am a gun owner myself. these are my constituents. it is rural texas. i own guns. i am a hunter. i don't own ar 15. i don't need an ar-15 to hunt. abbott talks about how an 18 -year-old has been able to buy a gun for six years. at the end of the day, we were hunting squirrels six years ago. technology changes. what is happening in our society now is changed. this man is out of touch. >> i want to talk to you a little bit about this community and, of course, so many of the victims of this massacre. latinos, hispanics, what does the state owe them, beyond answers, which is why we keep asking about the timeline and what happened -- there grieving process is just in the beginning, what type of support are they're going to need as they continue the process?
what we don't owe them is some nonsense about replacing a pair of glasses. there is a community health clinic here in uvalde that serves 11,000 latinos that do not have health insurance. they have a behavioral health component and not enough money to be able to have full-time therapists. they have their piss doing telemedicine on. we need to have four or five therapists. greg abbott needs to give that community health clinic $2 million right now. i asked for that is today. he has said nothing about that. this is going to be a long term mental health issue, for sure, for survivors and for friends of survivors and family. i talk to little girls's yesterday and a restaurant that were crying to me. they said, we were scared, but then i got brave. they were braver then the folks trying to get in there. these little kids, i am just. -- shocked and devastated. i am heartbroken by all of this. we owe them much more than what this guy has done. we owe them change. we owe them money to help them care for their children. we owe them real solutions.
we need real gun solutions. this cannot ever happen again. i gave a senate floor speech on the stupid open carry bill. i said, because of this bill, children are going to die. that was a year ago. never did i think that the bit of hyperbole would come to real life in one of my communities. i never thought the. i never thought the. some >> texas say senator roland gutierrez. some final thoughts after a break. break. bipolar depression. it made me feel trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place.
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texas native, julian castro. julian, i am so struck by the fact that you and i have been here over the course of the day several hours, there has been a steady stream of people down this entire block, who want to come and lay flowers behind us at this memorial that has popped up outside of robb elementary. you see 21 crosses, each representing one of the people that died in this horrible massacre. i have watched mothers, fathers, children lay flowers, stuffed animals. still reeling, we all look for a sense of hope and something to cling to. >> for me, it is that hope of change. we heard from state senator gutierrez, i heard it from the ground, people want something
to change. we know that the only way to make change is with everyone here, all of us. we also know on this issue with guns that not too long ago, there was an assault weapons ban from 94 to 04. also, even more recently than that, there have been issues that seem like we never get to the right place on. for example, marriage equality, ten years ago in 2012, no one would believe that would happen. then, three years later, it did. this can happen, but it starts with all of us using our voice, using our vote to make that change happen. >> i feel the push and pull between two things. one, the sense that change sometimes take time, effort and building. also, what you have said throughout our two hours together is that time is of the essence, and there is a fierce urgency of this moment for action. julian castro, thank you so much for spending time with us.
that is all the time to i have today. i am alicia menendez, i will see you back with julian castro here in uvalde, texas tomorrow. that is 6 pm eastern. for now, i handed over to my colleague ayman mohyeldin, hi. >> hey, alicia, what an incredible way to close out the show. just a reminder that at the end of the day, if anything will change, it will be up to all of us to participate, raise our voices, participate as mr. castro was saying there. >> absolutely, thank you, ayman. good evening to you and welcome to ayman tonight. in the pocket of the nra, we are calling out republicans in congress that keeps putting gun rights ahead of saving lives. then i'll press senator sheldon whitehouse on the senate in ability to pass gun control legislation. and ted cruz runs away, what one interviewe
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