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♪♪ right now in texas, another service is set to begin in what is a parent's worst night-makers laying to rest a child, one of the young victims of the robb elementary school and with a mass amerie jo garza and later this hour a visitation for 10-year-old jose flores. two of the eight services happening today to remember and honor the 19 children and 2 teachers who were killed a week
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ago and now a week later more and more criticism and more and more questions over the police response and the decision to wait an hour before storming the classroom. we're waiting for updates from the department of justice on their review of thattins spo. we're also live in uvalde and in washington where president biden is saying this afternoon he plans to meet with lawmakers on gun reforms. the reality check on where those stocks stand with an emergency hill meeting on thursday with some new proposals. i'm hallie jackson in washington among with our nbc news team. liz mclaughlin is live for us in texas, and our investigative reporter is on capitol hill. liz are let me start with you, this is just a horrific, you could call it a milestone and maybe another step in what's going to be a lifelong healing process perhaps for these families dealing with grief, dealing with anger about this police response. >> hallie, so many intense emotions here. this community will never be whole again. as you mentioned, funeral services starting today and
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visitation started yesterday for fourth grader amerie garza who got a cell phone for her 10th birthday and was one of the kids looking for help when police were outside in the hallway and sporadic gunshots continued. there were days of confusion over the timeline, over the police response and that decision to wait, her funeral being held at hill crest memorial which is right across from that school, robb elementary and where one of the first shots were fired towards workers right outside of that funeral home before the gunman entered the school, and as we're now learning a resource overs not on the scene drove right by him. lots of anger and still confusion over what happened there and why decisions were made, why that inaction took place. many parents were outside of that classroom trying to take action into their own hands and trying to fight their way into the school and could not get
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past the police barricade, the police perimeter that they had there. we learned from one off-duty border patrol agent whose wife was a teacher at the school and daughter was a student, he got a text from his wife, active shooter, please help and he rushed over immediately. here's a bit of his conversation today with savannah guthrie. let's listen. >> i went back to my truck. he gave me a shut gun and gave me some shells, took whatever shells i had in my pocket and tock off running. to me i believe everybody there was doing the best they could given the circumstances, yeah. i believe everyone there was doing everything in their power. >> reporter: everything in their power. a lot of folks here, a lot of the victims' families don't think so, and we're learning that there was active shooter training for the department here and for pete arredondo, the chief of the school district police here in town that made
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that decision to wait, that said it was no longer an active shooter situation but a barricaded subject, and the active shooter training has taken more than 32 hours of that most recently and an eight-hour course in december. specifically addressed in how to tell the difference between an active shooter and barricaded situation so still lots of questioning happening hymn here. >> tom, let me go to you. liz referenced the question about the the doj is going to review that and that will be released in a matter of days now. what do we know about where this investigation will begin? >> this is an overview and going to be an after-action report as far as what did the police department train for? what was their response to this particular training and then perhaps also importantly for the entire country, what lessons were learned here that could
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help inform school safety and police officers going forward? there's no evidence that these shootings historically based on the laws that we have and the current state of the country are going to stop any time soon. i think when you look at this, one of the key things and re-reviewing the typeline that we received last week from the texas department of public safety, it's this question of the 911 calls from the very classroom where the shooter was in where we know there was some students that were already dead, and we know that people were calling 911 saying this is what's going on with the shooter. we have some people dead. we have people that are hurt here and we know in at least one instance that involved a kid, a student, so what did the incident command, the police chief, peter arredondo who received 32 hours over the last three years of objective shooter training, had an eight-hour course according to texas public records, deeks 17th of last year, a 28-year veteran of policing, what was the information that he was getting while he was leading this
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response? was he being told what the 911 callers were hearing from this classroom? what type of information was he receiving, and what type of flow was going on become and for the that could further inform him though we do know, at least according to the texas department of public safety's timeline the shots were still being fired after he and a number of officers had already gathered in the hallway. what is was approach there was the thinking that this was a barricaded situation. i spoke to people in law enforcement saying no, no, no. this was still an active shooter situation. last week jim kavanagh, an analyst here with a really good perspective, talked about what he might have down and said this is a quick response, we've got this guy inside the classroom and an incredibly high-powered rifle, still a situation where we need to get kids out of here, let's regroup very quickly and come up a plan to either distract him, get rid of the
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shooter by shooting him or how do we find some way to get to a resolution of those, so all of those different components, hallie, will undoubtedly come up in this review. >> this is a terrific day after a string of horrific days in uvalde. what's stuck out the most as you've about on the ground reporting as these funeral services, memorial services are just beginning now? >> just so heartbreaking. i'm not a parent but a lot of people are, and if it didn't affect you personally it does in some way strike a chord because you can't imagine anyone who could do that, shoot their own grandmother in their face and these helpless kids 10, 11, 9 years old. it's just been really hard to grapple with that, and it's been nice though to see all the support coming in, people from all over the country, from all over the state coming to show their support and lots of prayer, lots of uniting in song here. i spoke to a pastor yesterday who had a really emotional
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account. he is one of the people who followed the police cars when he saw them to go outside and talked about seeing the parents trying to get in to reach their children for over an hour. it's just hard to imagine doing something like that. i can't even imagine seeing it in person. i mean, he was in tears. it's just been very emotional as you can imagine. >> it's a heaviness that i think people across country are feeling, empathizing with the people in texas, although we can't understand what it's like to be going through this. we know that president biden was talking pretty quickly with reporters right around the meeting with the new zealand prime minister today saying he does plan to talk to lawmakers on potential changes to the gun laws. here's what the president had to say. >> there's been an awful loss of suffering. i've been to more mass shootings after mass than i think any
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president in american history i think and it's just -- so much of it -- much of it is preventable and the devastation is amazing. >> i was struck by something that senator murphy said on talks that are happening on the senate side, that he, senator blumenthal are involved here. he's acknowledging that this moment feels different than it has in the past as we've talked a lot about here on the show when mass shootings have happened and congress has not followed up with immediate action. >> that's right, hallie. there's certainly a flurry of activity on capitol hill and whether that translates into new gun laws remains to be seep. the democratic controlled judiciary committee is calling an emergency meeting to mark up a package of gun violence prevention bills. that includes a measure to raise the minimum age for buying a semiautomatic weapon from 18 to 21.
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let put this up on the screen, a number of other elements t.bans the importation and sale and possession of high-capacity magazines and increases penalties for gun trafficking and straw purchases and builds on atf's ban on bump stocks. and then in the senate, 60 votes required, minimum ten republicans to break the filibuster. new talks being led by the democrat chris murphy and republican john cornyn on a narrower set of measures, red flag laws, more money for school security and more money for mental health services and safe storage laws as well as expanded background cheques. people on capitol hill who want to get things done on guns remain from cautiously optimistic to pessimistic that the uvalde shooting will change things. murphy himself lands on the
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cautiously optimistic side of things. let's hear to what he had to say. >> the partners we're talking to sound sincere, and i hope that remains the case two this week and in the next week when we have to land this plane. >> reporter: murphy has seen more of a desire among republicans to do something on guns than at any point since the sandy hook shooting a decade ago. mitch mcconnell, the senate minority leader, is encouraging bipartisan talks to do something about gun violence and more than a decade covering him and capitol hill i've never seen him do on heels of a mass shooting. it shows that the politics of guns are shifting, particularly in the suburbs. the new swing voters outraged and horrified by the mass shootings is likely to decide which party controls the senate and house hate they are year. >> thank you all for your time. coming up later on this hour, we'll speak to congress
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man mike. right now president biden is meeting with the fed chair just last hour. what he's saying about inflation and the administration's push now, month-long push to get prices down. brand-new nbc reporting taking us inside the west wing. why the president is feeling frustrated,agery, annoyed and what he might do to shake things up. and then later what some consider a blow into the investigation into the origins of the trump/russia attorney. hillary clinton's attorney acquitted by a jury. we've got the details after the break. d by a jury. we've got the details after the break.
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band taking over the white house oval office talking with the president about asian hate crimes and when brian deese stepped up to the podium he said that they were opening for him and it does create the other huge priority today. this is biden meeting with fed chair powell for the first time since his renomination as spiking inflation continues to be a problem for americans and their budget. >> my plan is to address inflation starting with a simple proposition, respect the fed's independence which i have done and will continue to do. i'm not going to interfere with their critically important work. >> the president is also offering up some of his own ideas in an op-ed in the "the wall street journal" laying out a multi-point plan including, by the way, steps from the fed. i want to bring in business and tech correspondent jo ling kent.
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it's not often that we see a meeting like this between the president and the fed chair particularly at a critical economic point that we're facing right now. what's going to happen here? >> the president says he wants the fed to do its job and for jerome powell and everyone at the fed to do their work to keep full employment and to reduce inflation, and the meeting basically is about establishing that this renomination has happened and also saying that this is a separation of power. he's been saying that for weeks and months now, the president saying he's going to let fed do its job. here's what the economic council chair brian deese had to say. >> as we move through this transition, our economic growth should look different than it has in the historic recovery phase. we have to move and shift to stable resilient growth.
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>> among his plans for making this happen and reducing the cost of living manageable which for so many americans he's said and promised so many things and also using the levers of the federal reserve, other ideas passing clean energy, tax credits, things like that but so many say that those in his power are going to basically take a long time to accomplish and the fed is expected to meet again in a matter of days to make another move when it comes to a possible rate hike here. we'll also get another read on inflation at the end of next week, but the idea here is if you look at the issues, especially facing the democratic party when it comes to the mid-term election, inflation are the top two concerns for people and largely speaker, voters that we spoke about to here said they do not approve of how the president is performing on these issues.
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these issues are always a big voting issue when it comes to murder terms or general elections, but what we see right now is the president is struggling on that front and a lot of these plans are long and medium-term plans and we'll have to see how they play out over the summer, especially as people are struggling to pay for their groceries and paying for the rising, soaring cost of gasoline. >> jo ling king, thanks for that backdown. of course, the economic picture is not only thing president biden is facing, and that's partly why you may see a shake-up coming soon to the white house. pulling back the curtain inside the biden administration, sources telling us that they expect white house chief of staff ron klain to leave his job after this year's mid terms as the white house takes a hard look at its messaging. staffers getting hit with everything by locusts, low approval numbers, high inflation, baby formula shortages, high gas prices, the war in ukraine and gun violence
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overwhelming the staff as they try to bring out several fires at up. let me put together one of the members of the team that put the reporting to. take me inside the frustrations inside the white house right now and what changes they want to make in the coming months. >> reporter: the overarching sort of mood in the white house is that there's just this feeling that it's -- if it's not one thing, it's another, that the president can't take -- can't real catch a break, that a bunch of things are lanning on his desk, big things. >> yeah. >> things that the country hasn't seen in decades. it's not the run of the mill crisis putting out fires and some of them were there when the president came in and some have cropped up since he took office and the frustration that the president has when his white house and administration seem flat-footed when these things arrive, that could have been seen earlier, the baby formula shortage. the president is frustrated his message isn't getting through,
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particularly on the economy and that's why you're seeing the white house really leaning into the president will be focused on the economy in the month of june. he had that "wall street journal" op-ed. he's outlining his potential plan and he's expected to speak again on friday. they are putting cabinet officials out, and he'll do more interviews according to the white house to try to address this messaging concern that he has and part of what he's been doing is press his advisers for a sharper message heading into the mid terms. we've seen the president put -- cast republicans as extremists saying the ultra maga party. that's something he'll continue to do but he wants more than just that, that he wants to sharpen the message and when it comes to staff there's a lot of speculation about whether or not the president would have a shake-up given all the problems that his white house is having and his poll numbers, we're told that's not likely to happen until after the mid terms, the chief of staff say among those, people are speculating about typically a chief of staff would last in the first term about two
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years so that timing would track with past chiefs of staff, but that is white house that is in the hot seat, so to speak and the president is from us trade, and we're told by white house officials that he's not from us trade, but we spoke to more than two dozen people inside the white house across the administration, former officials, donors, people on capitol hill, and that's just not the case. he is frustrated about this, as are many americans, as you know, hallie. >> carol, thank you for that. >> this afternoon elsewhere in washington, the first verdict from john durham's three-year investigation basically into the origins of the origin of former president trump and ties to russia. the jury finding a former lawyer for the clinton campaign not guilty of lying to the fbi. prosecutors from durham's office had accused susman misrepresenting himself during a meeting with the fbi's general counsel back in 2016. in a meeting sussman presented research that showed unusual computer traffic between former president, then candidate donald
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trump's business and a russian-backed bank. so now there's this outcome, an acquittal. some republicans feel frustrated with that. they think sussman was guilty given the republicans and al former president trump allies like jim jordan and others tweeting the swamp always protect its own. others allied with that perspective this. proves that the durham probe never should have existed to begin with. i want to beginning in nbc justice correspondent pete williams, and i think we have a response from mr. sussman after this verdict was delivered here. >> reporter: yes, the jury took about six hours to reach its verdict. they started to deliberate on friday and continued to do so today, and after the acquittal came down he did come outside the courthouse and briefly spoke and here's what he said. >> i and the jury clearly
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recognized that. despite being falsely accused i'm glad that justice ultimately prevailed in my case. >> reporter: what he said at the beginning is i did not lie. there were -- you know, a lot of people that were not surprised by this verdict, hallie, for this reason. the central question in the case as you noted is when he told the fbi about this allegation of a potential back channel secret data connection. he says, according to durham, he said that he was not representing any specific client, was just doing it as an interested citizen when in fact durham claimed he was doing it on behalf the clinton campaign to try to kick up some dust and create a story about the fbi investigating this and maybe have some negative publicity directed at the trump campaign. that's what he was accused of high about, that's what the jury didn't buy, but there were many people who were sort of puzzled by this case in the first place because it was kind of an open secret, well-known within the
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fbi, that michael sussman did work for the clinton campaign, and the fbi, we should note, did look into this and found that there was nothing to it, but for that reason it was something of a puzzling case. >> can you explain then what is next for this durham investigation, pete? >> sure, we know one thing is next and that's the prosecution this fall. there will be another trial follow a russian analyst here in the u.s., also accused of lying to the fbi, but this is something entirely different. this is the accusation that he was the source for a good deal of the information that ran into the now heavily discredited dossier about the trump campaign that was put together by a company called fusion gps and that as you know was a central part of one point of the fbi's investigation and led to a fisa application against carter page and it's been widely discredited now. remember that john do you
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remember -- durham was looking for any missteps and violation of law in the investigation of the trump campaign. so far the prosecutions that durham has brought are about people accused of lying to the fbi. >> pete williams live fours in d.c. pete, thank you. >> you bet. still ahead coming up on this hour, the status of two subpoenaed for the january 6th committee and where that stands. . -seriously? -denied. can we go back to meeting at the rec center? the commute here is brutal.
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different classroom. she survived the shooting. i want to bring in a pastor from the baptist church in uvalde. thank for joining us. i can't imagine the week that you and your community have been going through. how are they doing and are they doing? >> i'm emotionally exhausted just trying to process everything that's happening in our community right now with going to the viewings and praying with the families and just, you know, consoling and helping and all that that we're coming across in the stores. i'm praying with police officers. everybody that has come across my path, we're praying and it gets exhausting, but that's i'm in this community and the here to serve of and be the light that shines in the darkness. >> i was struck by a story that you shared with one of the
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members our team before you came on our show today which was when you had reached out to one member of the community, they were really angry. they said i can't even think about healing. he says i'm so angry today. as a faith leader, what are you finding that most people in uvalde want? >> they want prayer, and that's -- that's what we're giving them some prayers sometimes and that's all we can give them is word, consoling them and just prayer is -- you know, even -- just to be there. being there speaks much more than words, and we're just trying to be very sensitive to the families and we're being sensitive, to you know, the friends of the ones we lost, and
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yesterday was just a difficult day because we went to the viewings, and by the end of the day, me and my wife were totally exhausted, and when we -- when we run into people that are angry and upset about all this, we get it, we understand. we do want answers. we want the answer. we want the why question to be answered. >> yeah. >> and as a pastor it's -- the why question will be answered and god is the ultimate judge in the end, whether you believe that or not, god will bring everything into justice and until we see that, we have to live through this and come together as a community, be uvalde strong, love each other, console each other and stand next to those that canned stant and hold them up, carry them through this and love them. >> those are such powerful and
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important word, pastor swimmer. i think about people planning a funeral right now, right, which is awful any time. it's horrific to think about when it's your own child who was stolen in such a way. tea strange on the commune to have so many people in such a small community involved in this. what can people from outside uvalde do? is it prayers, what do you need the most? >> i want to thank the american people, those that have come down and sacrificed your time to walk aside us, to cry with us, to help us. that's what america is. you know, everybody hurts and everybody is angry, but there is a people that god has raised up in our nation for such a time as this to come alongside the
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hurting and to heal and to bind up the wounds of the shattered, the crushed, and that's amazing. i'm amazed at the people that he comes and that have called during this time where we're burying my kids and the wonderful teachers and we're consoling the people and it's powerful what america has done for this community. we're uvalde strong, but this is a great picture of who america is regardless of what's happening in the united states right now. there are americans that have come down here from all nationalities, from all walks of life that have shown us what love and grace is and coming together and one day as a nation we will stand before god, and i believe god will see this, the
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columbine, texas a&m and all the rest of them, i believe that god is going to honor their sacrifice. >> pastor swimmer, i can see how emotional and difficult this is for you. so grateful for you to take the time to give us a glimpse inside your community and for your work. thank you so much, pastor, for being here with you. >> in a week since the school shooting that we've been talking about in uvalde, since that massacre, we've seen more mass shootings all over the country. according to the gun violence archives 17 alone, since uvalde happened, 17 in which 13 people have been killed and 70 others hur. over this past memorial day weekend alone at least nine people were killed hand more than 16 were hurt in 14 mass shootings. i want to bring in congressman mike thompson, democrat from california, and chair of the democrat gun violence task
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force. 17 mass shootings since uvalde a week ago. >> it's terrible, hallie. every time there's a mass shooting, it just puts another hole in your heart. communities are disrupted, lives are lost, families are just crushed. it's absolutely appalling, and i think it affects every american. i hear from school kids in my district that tell me that they are afraid that their school will be next. i've got at mother tell me that she wished that covid would come back so they would shut down and she wouldn't have to send her kids to school committee i heard from a family who lost their daughter to gun violence that if anybody in uvalde wanted to talk to them, they were available, and that their teenage child that wasn't killed, the surviving teenage child was available to talk to anybody who lost a sibling. this is a real dark time, and nobody should have to live through this, and we really need to fix it. >> let me ask you about the
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emergency meeting that we talked about a little bit ago on the show from the house judiciary committee about the gun safety measures. when do you expect a vote in the full house? do you think that will happen in a relatively short time frame here? >> i do. the judiciary committee will be meeting on thursday of this week to mark up legislation that deals with gun violence prevention and that bill will be on the floor on the following -- the week of june the 6th. we'll also have a separate vote on a red flag, extreme order, projected order on that same week, so you'll see some action in the house. those bills will be passed over to the senate and, remember, the house has also passed two very important background check bills, one is my bill that would expand backgrown cheques for anybody who buys a gun and the
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jim clyburn bill that closes some loopholes in the existing background check law so the senate has two bills now that will save lives, and after the week of june 6th they will have some more legislation that will save lives. >> well, you bring up i think an important point here, that things can get through the house or things can pass the house of representatives. it's got to get passed in the senate, too, where it needs 60 votes, a measure that needs 60 votes considering there's not enough members of coming, members of the senate who would like to get rid of the filibuster here. what's your level of confidence that that could happen when you're watching from your side of the cap toll when you're watching talks with senator murphy and others? >> you need 51 votes to pass but you need 60 to even take it up for a vote. there's discussions in the senate and i'm hoping that will
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come to some conclusion and come to some agreement on passing some of the work that we've done in the house. it will save lives. the senate has to understand that and the republicans over in the senate have to acquiesce. they can't be against everything, and if they have got ideas that are better than ours, let's hear them, but all they are doing right now is saying no. we really -- we really need them to be on the side of the american people so we can keep our communities safe. >> congressman mike thompson, thank you so much for being with us. appreciate your time this afternoon. thanks. >> thank you. coming up next, the new signal today that the federal investigate into the capitol riot may be moving fast as a former trump aide shares, yes, he wasser is wfd a grand jury subpoena. we're talking about that. grand subpoena we're talking about that from prs to workouts and new adventures you hope the more you give the less they'll miss. but even if your teen was vaccinated against meningitis in the past they may be missing vaccination for meningitis b.
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widely expected not to cooperate with the subpoena, both of them, the committee says, in contact with former president trump and his administration on the days around and surrounding january 6th. another reluctant witness, former top aide to donald trump and subpoena target peter navarro pushing back on attempts to try to get him to testify. in fact, he's filing a lawsuit today in d.c. court not only to block him from appearing in front of the committee but also looking for an injunction against a grand jury subpoena served to him by the fbi potentially regarding their investigation into the capitol riots. i want to bring in correspondent ali vitali. i want to put these in a couple of buckets. can we start here with the deadline for mccarthy and brooks. i don't think it's overspeculative that it feels like the chances they would cooperate are shrimp at this point, right, pause if they did that would be more of a surprise. >> reporter: slim at this point because the argument that they are giving for not cooperating with the subpoena are that the committee itself is not
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correctly or legitimately formed, and so if they were to go in front of the committee and cooperate, even though subpoenas frankly usually are cooperated with, it would really undermine the very argument that they are putting forward in the first place. for example, you look at kevin mccar think's lawyer to the committee in which it says it's unclear how the select committee believes they are operating within the bounds of law or even within the confines of the authorizing resolution with which the committee was constituted. that's why we feel like they are not going to cooperate but the thing to remember here is, of course, there are penalties for not cooperating with subpoenas, but also the shoe will be on the other political foot potentially within a year. republicans have said to me before that they would like their subpoena powers to be respected when they have the majority. if they don't respect subpoenas when they get them, how can they expect other people to respect subpoenas when they are giving them? >> let me take the second bucket here. deadline day is today, not like close of business.
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presumably tomorrow is when we'll find out more if they do or do not. >> reporter: we expect to hear more from chairman thompson. >> let me take the other bucket which is the peter navarro bucket, if you will, and lat sue which is telling us a little bit more i think about the fbi investigation into january 6 and tells us more by inference because what he's laying out we can backtrack and say this is what the fbi must be asking for, et cetera. fill us in on that piece. >> reporter: we're reading between the lines on a lot of this because the doj investigation is happening in secret. grand jury investigations are shrouded in secrecy and mystery. that's the whole point of how prosecutors run them the fact that navarro is filing the injunction letting us know that the doj and fbi are issuing him subpoenas is very notable. it shows that that investigation is separate from what the january 6th committee is doing and district attorney oj investigation is ramping up and starting to include people who were close to the former president, including peter navarro. it's why he's central to the
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january 6th committee's investigation. it's why they have filed a contempt referral against him because he didn't -- he didn't comply with his subpoena that was issued by them, and it's why now we're seeing him become one of the people who the doj is potentially interested in talking to as they do their own parallel investigation into what happened on january 6. i do note that the investigation has included january 6th rioters but this signifies an escalation as they are going around people inside the white house. >> coming up, we'll look at the war in ukraine with a look at kyiv. r in ukraine with a look a kyiv [♪♪] if you have diabetes, it's important to have confidence
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overseas you've got russian troops now pushing deeper into eastern ukraine, fighting with ukrainian troops in the city of donetsk on monday forcing thousands of people out of their homes, and look what they've left behind. russia is facing new consequences now. eu leaders decided to ban 90% of russian crude oil by the end of the year. president biden is saying he's not going to give long range missiles to ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy. tell us more about what you're seeing on the ground, what you're hearing from people about this push to the east, push in the east from russia. >> reporter: look, i think there's a number of concerns here on the ground. one of them is about momentum. momentum seemed to have been on the side of ukrainian forces for the past few months. they stopped the initial attack by russian forces who tried to make it to where i am here in the capital kyiv.
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they were turned around in those suburbs. there's been a russian retreat in the north in and around kharkiv where you've seen ukrainian forces counterattacker. now you have this slow methodical began by the russian troops in the east, in the donbas. this is something that ukrainian officials have long warned of. the war has been going on there now for eight years, but what we're seeing is quite different now. we are seeing towns completely destroyed. we are seeing towns meet the same fate as the city of mariupol which was bombed into rubble by russian troops and then they bombed that rubble. the other thing we don't have a good grasp on is the number of ukrainian soldiers who are dying. last week we heard from president zelenskyy it could be 50 to 100 soldiers every day. because of security reasons, they're not going to release those figures. so we don't know the price that is being paid on that eastern front. what we do know is what you've alluded to. ukrainian officials are continuing to ask the united states and its allies for more weapons and more precise weapons, and again, those longer range weapons so that they
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cannot just beat back the russian forces, they can keep them at bay and get on the offensive there. >> what about these moves from the international committee? i'm thinking of what the eu has done, for example, what president biden has said that the u.s. will not do at this point? >> reporter: yeah, so you have this sort of red line, if you like, and look, the united states has been nothing but supportive. we're talking about $50 billion worth of aid. we're talking about a conglomeration of allied nations that we just have not seen since world war ii, but what seems to be a red line for the united states are offensive weapons that can be used in russian territory. that is these long range rockets that fire more than 70 miles. the u.s. was willing to give these how wit sers, these artillery pieces that are mobile that can keep russian troops at bay. those things fire about 50 kilometers to 70 kilometers. the idea of these offensive rockets which president zelenskyy is asking for has been a red line for the white house. three days ago there was indication that they would share these multiple rocket launch systems. today we heard in the last hour
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♪♪ hey, everyone, and namaste, it is 4:00 in new york city. i'm john highland in for nicolle wallace for the rest of this week. the shattered, traumatized ask grief stricken town of uvalde, texas, has been beginning finally the nearly unthinkable process of laying to rest 19 slain school children and two of their teachers, the victims of a soul destroying shooting at robb elementary school on this day one week ago. the services are scheduled to take place over two weeks through june 16th, and and "the washington post" reports this from on the ground in uvalde, quote priests who last week comforted still bleeding children and pastors who prayed with anxious parents on monday, turn to the familiar ritual surrounding christian burials. volunteers flew and drove in from across texas and all over the country to help with the various aspects of the funerals. operators of a food truck handed out food a

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