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thank you for being with us on this tuesday. we are grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. bts or backstreet boys? >> i mean -- backstreet boys? >> i mean, that's old school. you are kind of an old school dude, right? backstreet boys. >> i love the old and the new. i love the old and the new and it's a toss i've never gotten before, john, so we thank you for that. >> good to see you.
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>> good to see you. appreciate it. welcome, everyone, to "the beat." i am ari melber. answered that question honestly. it's all i could do. top story is very important. major news coming out of the justice department which has been under sustained pressure to be more aggressive and the probe into the insurrection. to see why this news is significant, it is worth remembering something right off the top here, how a lot of credible people from legal experts to the house investigators themselves have said it's imperative that the doj bear down on any law breaking of subpoena defying by people linked to the events of january 6th. >> will the department of justice be quick and aggressive? >> how much pressure is gallen going to be under then from liberals, from democrats? >> he's going to be under a lot of pressure. >> this committee is doing its job. the department of justice needs to do theirs. >> what's the holdup at the department of justice? >> the department of justice has
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a duty to act on this referral and others we have sent. >> so, many different people have been saying exactly that. and as you saw, those voices include just some of the top committee members we had time to show you, schiff and lofgren pressing the doj to pick up where parts of the house probe left off because multiple trump aides defied subpoenas and would then go out and publicly tout their own defiance. that's a contrast to how the vast majority of witnesses, including trump aides and family members, cooperated with the probe. that brings us to the standoff animating tonight's news. remember the legal scorecard. trump aides defied congress and they were dealt with a rare and grave measure in return -- contempt, as you see here. that's four aides and counting. the doj acted on one of those, indicting steve bannon, and he
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awaits trial. the other three were just out there. there was pressure from the indictment. maybe the doj thought indicting one would send a message. they don't want to go and indict everyone in a row immediately, but then nothing else confirmed out of the justice department about any of this until now. the news now is the doj using the pressure of an actual criminal probe against another white house veteran on the four i showed you there, this time on peter navarro, who spoke openly about it. and now the fbi has come to his door and hit him with a new criminal grand jury subpoena, he says. that bears down on his refusal to cooperate with the hues subpoenas that have been sitting there. this is the first update since ban nonwith navarro facing not a
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trial, but a criminal experience, which means the juries mandated him for his defiance. it's all building now. that's a big deal. this is getting tougher on bannon and navarro. if the calls from the doj to do more were coming as it was already doing more william edo know a federal grand jury was in place and subpoenaed some people in trump's orbit. "the washington post" reported on that in march. why is this specific news coming out now? sometimes you get a scoop, a new development, you wonder, why are we hearing this? what are the sources? with the grand jury, you may remember from the mueller probe, the sources are confidential because the process is supposed to be. i can tell you exactly why this is happening tonight. it's because of navarro who's
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filed his own new separate civil lawsuit today tackling some of these issues and in it, he discloses this new subpoena while arguing he believes he should have executive privilege. he also likens cooperation with the government to betrayal. what about the majority of trump witnesses who did testify, including trump's children? he actually says that was cowardly of them. now, let me tell you, navarro has right to challenge this in court. it's in court where his claims can be rejected or accepted. he has the right to defend himself. we try to report fairly and accurately on all of these cases for you. i can tell you accurately it's a fact that navarro is representing himself. he doesn't have some fancy maga-allied lawyer. and i can tell you he does not have a formal written assertion of privilege from trump, which is what he keeps invoking as the reason he can't talk to the government. those two facts do raise some
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questions about how much this fits into other trump strategies and how much this is a person who publicly advocated overthrowing the election who may be just going rogue. legally, filing this kind of civil suit does not usually impact a criminal probe, which is what navarro potentially faces. then there's one other -- in this case. it's something the house cited in his contefrmt vote and something we've reported on here in our work, because the house also cited navarro's interviews, including on this program, for what he says he did. and that brings us to something that is really curious about this, something i don't think anyone would have predicted a couple years ago or on the day of the 6th, which is you had someone who worked for trump up until the end of his tenure, who's claiming he's doing all of this, this big legal fight with real legal stakes because he must avoid discussing a
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supposedly privileged plan to overthrow an election, a supposedly privileged plan which navarro has talked about over and over and over, telling us and you and the world about how they were trying to overthrow the election. >> we had over 100 congressman and senators on capitol hill ready to implement the sweep. we were going to challenge the results of the election in six battleground states. >> do you realize you are describing a coup? >> no. >> why risk a legal battle or going to jail to refuse to discuss them with the committee under oath? >> the president invoked executive privilege. it's not my privilege to waive. >> do you understand you're already waived it by discussing it? >> no, no, no.
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>> are you willing to -- >> i'll stand tall by this. >> if by tall he means continuing to defy the house subpoena, that's what he did. that has not worked out well for some of the trump veteran as we show on the scorecard. continuing to stand tall against federal prosecutors is even harder. they have much stronger tools than congress, and their authority does not change one iota with any election, and that is where navarro is standing now. i want to bring in watergate prosecutor jill winebanks and "new york times" magazine legal writer emily bazalon. jill, your view of federal grand jury subpoena and mr. navarro's claims? >> let's start with his claims, because they are ridiculous. there has been no invocation of
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executive privilege, and the current encumbent, who could do it, who really has the power has said, no, i'm letting these people testify because it's too importan to the american people. there is no legitimate claim. i wonder -- you mentioned, he is representing himself. and you are correct, he is. he said, it would cost me $100,000 to have a lawyer of my own, and so i'm going represent myself. maybe the reason is that no lawyer is willing to go in and state a totally fallacious reason for his not testifying, that maybe the disbarment of some lawyers and threats to others is getting them to say, well, i can't do that anymore. maybe that's why he doesn't have a lawyer here. in terms of whether this is a big deal, it is a big deal. >> let me pauses you on that. you raise an interesting point and one i cover in the our introduction, which is why we come to our experts. you raise something we hadn't
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gotten to, which is everyone has the right to represent themselves, what they call prose, and both in law and journalists we do in the make any assumptions on their case on that fact alone. they have the right. however, we can draw reasonable inferences, as you say, not prejudicial, but when someone has means and alliances where unlike most people who might be dealing with a -- most people who go to work, they tell you you're subpoenaed or got to be a witness, that's a lot of money right there. that's a reason some people struggle in civil lawsuits. you're explaining that unlike most people he has ready access to certain types of lawyers, he is a man of some means, and you interpret had as the kind of top flight conservative lawyer he might want at this juncture, might be harder to get, because they might be talking him out of some of the claims he makes? >> seems to me that is a
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possibility. we don't know of course. you know him almost better than anybody, because he's been on your show and has, as you noted, said things on the show that show he's waived any privilege he might have had because he has spoken publicly about it. so there is -- there's just simply no there there. he can't claim privilege. he doesn't have one. and trump, who he says has given him this obligation not to talk, has not actually done that. there's no evidence that the former president -- i'm saying he doesn't have to power to invoke the privilege, but even if he did, he hasn't done it, so there is no privilege, and it would be foolish for a lawyer to make an untruthful statement to a court that could cause that lawyer to lose their rights to practice law. so i think that is definitely a possibility. and i think sit a big deal because he was a direct employee of the white house, and he is
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now involved in being subpoenaed to testify at a criminal case. it also confirms that the department is actually proceeding with a criminal investigation. i wish they would act faster. i am one of those people who, unlike some of my sisters-in-law, i think it's too slow, that this should have been done sooner and that the indictment of him for the past refusal to do the subpoena that he's already had from the house is one that he should have been indicted for. there's nothing that stops him from being indicted to stop cooperating now with the grand jury. they're two separate crimes. >> he could be hit for that, and this is a new grand jury subpoena. emily, your thoughts on all of the above? >> the timing is interesting, too. the original subpoena which we didn't know about before is from february some navarro is making a big deal of the fact that the fbi knocked on his door at the
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end of may, but you can imagine that what happened in the interim is that he was not cooperating and stonewalling and that, you know, inside the committee, and also now we know in the justice department, that was viewed as a problem. so, i mean, absolutely it is true that it is a bigger deal to have the fbi come knocking on your door than to have the january 6th committee frustrated but not having the same kind of clear law enforcement powers to do something about it. so, you know, all these are really good points about the stonewalling and how implausible it is, the reasonens she's giving for it. the bottom line here is, is he going to testify or not? certainly there's a greater incentive to did that if the fbi is coming to see him. >> right, and as you say, the house ultimate will i refers -- that's why we're showing the calls by even house members saying, act on what we referred. the doj must do that independently. if they think it's political, democrats going after
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republicans or vice versa, they don't act. they shouldn't act. but if they think someone's defying a legal subpoena, they have a duty to act. as for the wider political theaterics here, which going we can ignore, emily, let me read more from navarro's own words. you don't have any euphemisms or legal jargon. it's just him. and he says, if an incumbent can strip a predecessor of executive privilege, his view in this filing, imagine what will happen to biden and his advisers if biden and his adviser win the white house in 2024. he says, emily, if i'm not dead or in prison, i will lead the charge. it's a bit like a flip of what 50 cent famously said, emily, i'm sure you're familiar -- if i'm not rich by 26 i'll be dead or in jail. this is, if i'm not dead or in jail, i will enact april
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retribution on my opponents. i mentioned the fact that he has to right to file what he wants, but everybody else has the right to accountability for it. what do you think about that threat? is it over the line? helpful legally? telegraph some of the politics here? >> he's really threatening legal retribution, not that he would have to direct power to decide that, presumably he's not going to be the attorney general, although who knows. it's bluster. it's a typical political statement -- this will come back around to bite you. and who knows, it may turn out to be true, right, because we don't know what's going to happen next and what kind of actions a future justice department would take, how bound by the rule of law they will be. in the end, the trump justice department hung in there for the rule of law, but it was kind of by a thread. so it's not that i don't think there's not anything to such a threat, but it really is bluster, and to say i don't have to abide by this subpoena
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because we'll come and get you the next time, it doesn't address the issue at hand, which is this is a legitimate subpoena and he has to decide whether the respond or not. >> yeah. all fairly put on a big development. appreciate both of your precision on the time lines and details. my thanks. coming up, we are going to look at the action on gun control. one of our friends digging into both the plan and politics of solutions. later, why is ron desantis losing cases over free speech? well, the florida governor has a big legal problem. i'm going to get into that. it's my special breakdown where he was shredded even by republican judges. remember john durham? we have heard from john durham. a huge flop in his first big case. by the end of the hour. of the r
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we're tracking breaking news in the shooting at robb elementary. uvalde police and the local school district are now refusing to and no longer cooperating are the wider texas probe of the actual police response to this shooting massacre, this is according to abc news and multiple law enforcement sources are cited. nbc has not separately confirmed this. it comes within a week of the texas mass school shooting. those funerals beginning today. there's just some of that difficult process, as a story that many left behind over the weekend continues to affect all the people's lives in that community. as for action in washington,
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there is a bipartisan group of senator who is say they are meeting -- this is a virtual meeting today -- about potential action. the house judiciary committee will hold an emergency meeting this week, thursday, and the president says he believes the load negotiate for the republicans, john cornyn might be rational and might even compromise. now, that could be something you don't read literally, this president in this moment trying to give a lane, an option, something to get something through the senate if he can't get the 50 votes to change the obstruction rules. but again, we have to look at what's being said and done. here's mcconnell today dodging questions about gun laws and citing other issues. >> senator mcconnell, any comments on the gun control issue going on right now? you had said possibly you would -- >> yeah, what we're doing, we had a group led by senator
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cornyn and senator murphy on the democratic side discussing how we might be able the come together to target the problem, mental illness and school safety. we'll get back at it next week and hope to have results. >> now, there you have it. he represents his constituents. he is saying where he stands. it's a long way the hope of any type of gun or ammunition regulation or background checks which go to who can get there. when he says mental illness and school safety it's really other issues and there may be things that can be done. it's not to rule those out, but how can two sides discuss meeting and meeting in the middle when they don't agree with the topic at hand. many people who don't look at this politically but as safety policy are of the view, and most
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of the american public is of the view that there are steps to be take ton reduce the access of weapons of war and reduce the risk of this kind of mass murder. either you're meeting about that or you aren't. now, the pivot, this is part of the politics. on the one hand it's a sign that saying nothing or demonizing the side for demanding action doesn't work well right now. that was the nra playbook. you're not allowed to discuss it. somehow that disrespects the victims. now we see pivot, pivot, pivot. take all this from last week. >> don't have all of these unlocked back doors. install bullet proof doors and locking classroom doors. the most effective tool for keeping kids safe is armed law enforcement on the campus. what stops armed bad guys is armed good guys. absent fathers, declining church
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attendance, video games. if you could wave a magic wand and eliminate all firearms in america, there would be substantially more murders. it's never been about guns. >> it's never been about guns. that's one view of the gun violence epidemic in schools. if you take away the guns you would just have schools and you might not need all this talk about locksmiths and special doors like kids don't go in and out of schools. now, that was the top senator from the state of texas that's home to this horrible tragedy. but this grinds on in other states. over this long weekend there were 1 mass shootings. some of them ""large enough" by the grim body count to make that national impact that shooting did. so what do you do when you don't have agreement on the topic let alone the solution? and is there a lane for those
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it's a word salad that seems to reflect some measure of progress from people who respond to this by saying there should be action. it used to be that was bad, ace mention. now the right says there should be action, but it's got to be focused on anything but. we love the doors around here, but i'm not here to talk to you about door reform. i'm here to talk to you about gun reform. you have been thinking about and this working around democratic campaigns. what do you see as the key issues? >> well, i hate to say something negative about president biden's optimism about a deal, and i do think senator murphy has been heroic in trying to get a deal, but the reality is mitch mcconnell will simply not allow a deal. he will not allow something to get through the fill buster and allow a common sense gun reform bill to happen. the reason is simple -- guns are intrinsic to the gop narrative.
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guns basically go to their narrative. there's a red state culture that's under siege by racial minorities, by sexual minorities, by women, et cetera. they are coming after you, the lonely white male rural voter. and you need your guns, you need your assault weapons, and the assault weapons are symbols that the gop will allow their voters to fight back against the siege. now, will mitch mcconnell give up that narrative because of common sense, for something that makes a lot of sense? for the sake of children past and present and future? no, i don't think so. i think they are too tied to the idea they have to win elections. and they believe that guns are the pathway to winning elections. it allows them to frame a narrative that, let's be honest, has been extremely successful for them for many, many years. >> right, so you say that. let's look here on deaths in
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america. you talk about, what's the government's role to protect people, be that safety and law and order, just fundamentally. we can put this up -- police killed by gunfire. 64. that's the threat they face. u.s. troops, less than that right now given where the footprint is. black americans killed by police, 139. all americans, over 1,000. children killed by guns when you widen out even farther, you see while we cover this in a certain way -- and i've tried to be careful about where the press tries to do a good job and might be we fall down. take a look at the issues and take a look at how many children, minors and younger, elementary school face this. is there some fact-based way to galvanize people around that when you talk about suburbs and swing voters? >> look, ari, it's not about facts. the facts are on our side. it's about culture. the reason that gun reform has
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not happened is gun control is tied to cultural liberalism. there is a sense among rural americans that this is an urban elite value that is being enforced upon them. the gop speaks directly to that culture war. this is why when you poll gun control measures, individual measures are very, very popular. however, gun control overall, particularly in states that democrats have to win to control the senate, to have the electoral college, to win the house, gun control overall sun popular. how do we change that? some people may want like me saying this, but we need to learn from our opponents. we need to play the long game. the republicans did that on abortion. they did that on reproductive rights. they played a long game over the course of 50 years. they focused on the states, state legislators, they figure out, how do we talk at this issue in a way that cuts the
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other side? how when they're distracted by issues like the economy, can we get judges on the bench? they played a very cunning, very deceptive long game. i'm not saying we need to be deceptive like that, but we do need to think past the next election, the next polling cycle, the next news cycle. every since i have been in politics that's all democrats talk about -- what are we going to do before the next polls come out? that's our mind set. the gop doesn't think that way. they think in the long-term. not about the next election, but about the next decade, the next generation. that's where we have an advantage. young people don't like guns. they have been raise in the a post columbine world where they have been terrified by mass shootings that continue to happen. there's that's where's our future lies and that's the type of strategy we need to forge to move this issue forward. >> really interesting. you raise several intersecting issues, as well as the
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generation piece. the generation that talks about mental health and anxiety, doing school shooting drills all the time, and how do you do that with hearts and minds? you say it in a way that's different than the d.c. beltway democratic discourse, and yet that's why we come to you. chai, thanks for being here. >> good to be here, ari. absolutely. coming up, two other stories we haven't hit, really for days. probably most of last week. there are big new developments. bill barr's big bid to relitigate the mueller probe fail in the court today. we'll explain. first, coming up next, governor ron desantis is against freedom and the first amendment. i'm not saying that, that's what a sourt said in issuing a huge rebuke to him. he'll explain, next. freedom from pain, with fewer pills than tylenol. instead of taking pills every 4-6 hours, aleve works up to 12-hours so you can focus on what matters. aleve. less pills. more relief
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turning a major legal development, shutting down some of ron desantis's attempts to punish and control free speech. he's been attacking them with his power. it is classic big government overreaching a politician trying to use their power to punish speech they oppose, a reward speech that benefits them. desantis has done this with new laws. he's also done it with new laws that try to cancel the right of media, press, and social media to decide what to public or post. some of it verges on a neomccarthyism, and under law, some of the worst ways the government can violate your free speech is abusing power to pick
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sides to punish a vow point. one of his most sweeping efforts on this front was wrong, illegal, and violates the first amendment. i'm not telling you an opinion here. i'm reporting the current law, because desantis just lost a key appeals court ruling that found this law that he had pushed and passed violates the first amendment. he was knocked down. the judges chrk include three republican appointees, one appointed by donald trump just ruled what the law says, that desantis was violating the core first amendment principle that the government can't tell a private person or entity what to say or how to say it. these debates can be tested through tough cases. some of america's free speech precedents turn on the rights of neo-nazis to march, the right it was of competing people to speak against that, and or the rights of people allowed to spread hate
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speech that doesn't hurt people and speak against that. under law, the neo-nazis on your screen had a right to speak in charlottesville as long as they didn't menace or attack anybody. and other people have a right to pose them, to decide not to feature that speech, say, in your church or in your publication, or in any private platform which reflects your speech. des guest florida republicans were trying to change that, trying to override that approach and force social media companies to carry the speech of those they disagreed with and their policies. the judge rejected that, noting that private actors have first amendment rights. desantis' goals were political. he wanted to try to get people like donald trump back on platforms where trump had been banned. desantis just lost the case as i'm telling you. but the largest legal fight goes
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to the a principle. the first amendment bars the government from making these decisions for everyone else, and desantis, in reality, not just in rhetoric, the way he was trying to use his power in florida, was against that kind of free speech, your free speech. he wants to use the power he's amass as a governor to have people like him in government decide these things instead of the people or instead of people running a magazine or a social media company. so that not only violates the first amendment, it really violates any notion of small government or traditionally conservative principles. that would seem to be a problem for someone like him to claims he's on the right-wing conservative side of his party, but that's where desantis learned from trump. instead of engaging the debate, he's just lying about his position and just saying he's for the opposite. remember everything i just told you about what republican judges
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found, his attacks on freedom of speech and freedom himself. now he's betting if he has the right lies and buzzwords about wokism it will drown out his first amendment loss in court. >> we were the first big state to legislate against big tech sensorship because they want to silence us. >> you have to have protection for the first amendment rights of people. a free society requires the ability to have robust discussions about issue of public importance. this is not how a free society should operate. >> it's a lot of freedom talk by someone who was just smacked down by a court for violating that literally first freedom in our founding document, the first amendment. i'm joined by the julian epstein, ceo of the law media group. what do you see here in his loss and him being a harvard law
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grad, a loss he expected? >> i think sort of some of this is showboating and sort of right-wing virtue signaling and sort of the grievance effort on the right that feel so politically undersieged. so i think a lot is politics without any question. his argument is that social media companies have become so big and powerful that they are speech and that further more, they are so under pressure by government officials, particularly democratic lawmakers to sort of do something about sort of the qanon and the trump allegations of election fraud that they have become an arm of government. i don't think those are good arguments, but given what's happened in texas, where you have a similar statute that gives people private right of action if they're kicked off social media, that's been stayed
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now, i think, in the fifth circuit. i think this is likely to go to the supreme court. i think your analysis is the analysis that will hold in the supreme court, but that isn't to say that there isn't an argument that i think will probably gather some credence with a couple of the justices, namely that they are so big, social media companies are so big, that they have become speech. and so long as the speech that someone is trying to protect is protected -- is first amendment speech, is not yelling fire in a movie theater kind of thing, there should be some protection. i don't think the argument will win, but that's sort of -- >> yeah, well, and you -- you raise that facet, right, because there are areas where you say if it's more like pipes or the enter net's common pathways, that might be different, but then you look at what he does against disney. disney didn't do anything. it just said something about
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equality, and he said he wants to use his power -- i call it big government power -- against speech he doesn't like. how did the republican party find itself in that spot on the spectrum? >> he would argue on the show, which i don't think he's likely to comen. >> he's welcome to come on. >> he would argue they're taking away a special tax privilege because disney came out and got on an issue. there's more popularity for that than you would believe because sort of the gender -- i think the gender issue in the schools has really gotten out of hand on both sides on the left and right. we stopped having sensible conversation about what we have to do to -- >> attacking free speech is often popular if you find the right wedge. i'm run out of time. final sentence, final button up thought? >> final thought is that i think
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we have to be careful on the left about sort of views that are clearly out of bounds -- space lasers and qanon theories and sort of views that we don't like. i am pro choice, pro immigration and pro police reform, but if you are -- if you are pro life it doesn't make you anti-woman. if you are pro border security i doesn't make you racist. if you are a christian professor that questions the anti-racist movement on campus, it doesn't mean you should be fired. i think one of the things that's important to keep in mind here, while we should be careful about -- this isn't just social media, this is media generally. this is our public square, where we live and breathe. i think we have to be care to feel sort of make sure we are not using this sort of intolerance we're -- and completely shutting down the other side. because i think what is happening is it's so toksfying,
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the environment -- they have this idea we live in completely different worlds and there's no debate between us, and i think that kind of thing is making us all dumber. >> you raise several issues that conjoin with this, which is there's room across the spectrum for people to make sure they're hearing each other. he lost this case, but he may be appealing to other notions that have a root in popular society right now that need some dialogue, alabama he's losing because he's done that in a way that the court says was demagoguing more than being free -- julian -- >> we need -- not debate -- >> there you go. julian, thank you for being here. tricky issue. fast segment. we're going fit from a break item did bill barr's prosecutor lose in court? i'll tell you when we come back. . store your things until you're ready. then we deliver to your new home - across town or across the country.
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a minimum wager court loss today for the special counsel appointed by bill barr to re-review the russian probe. john durham lost the case against john sussman about how that clinton lawyer described himself to the fbi. he wasn't accused of hacking or stealing but rather accusing of high to the fbi but it did not stick. the jury finding him not guilty. all of that out of the investigation into the mueller probe to find something wrong with the investigators or evidence trail. durham stayed on the job and unlike all other u.s. attorneys,
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special counsels can only be removed for specified causes meaning durham had the same legal protections as bob mueller. prosecutors win the vast majority. mueller wars 8 for 8 in his total criminal convictions. well, durham not keeping up. this now acquitted defendant stressing he told the truth and that the jury saw that. >> i toll the truth to the fbi are and the jury clearly recognized that with their unanimous verdict today. despite being falsely accused, i'm relieved that justice ultimately prevailed in my case. >> durham did get one guilty plea so far from a former fbi lawyer who admitted to altering an email that was used to get warrants against a trump adviser. now it is possible durham has other cases to come or even larger cases, but this is the case that he started, the first case he took to trial after years of hype by donald trump and major expectations, crusades on the right.
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well, it is collapsing today, and for more on the contrast to mueller consider that he won his first guilty plea and a whole lot more when he went to trial. 34 indictments total. there are still some of those cases outstanding because there are russian intelligence agents at far. mueller convicted the number one person on the trump campaign, paul manafort on eight felony counts and convicted trump's longest serving aide at trial, roger stone and convicted rick gates and michael flynn because they pled guilty to false statements. flynn later did try to retract the plea, so today at trial john durham is 0 for 1. again, in an arena that typically favors prosecutors as juries tend to believe the fbi when it says some random person or politico was lying. here they acquitted the defendant, and there's a larger point. evidence and facts can still matter. if trump and barr thought they could get where they wanted by
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we were covering free speech on the program including your right to speak out and no more flitting way as we look at desantis losing a case about social media than sometimes using social media.
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find me at arimelber on any of the platforms if you use them. do you think the florida courts were right to rule against governor desantis or wrong? what do you think about julian epstein's point that some of this is getting out of hand? we can talk about it. thanks for watching "the beat." "the reidout" with joy reid starts right now. good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" tonight. one week since a depraved 18-year-old walked into robb elementary school in uvalde, texas and took the lives of 19 defenseless fourth graders and two of their brave teachers. this week begins the next phase for the devastated community as families and friends begin to say good-bye to their loved ones who shu be starting their summer vacations ansel berating birthdays, not being eulogized. today the first two children amerie jo georgia garza and maite rodriguez were laid t


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