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good night and from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with us. i'll see you at the end of tomorrow. tonight on all in, the obscene blame game in uvalde, the valves again. -- >> when we, enter the doors propped open by a teacher. >> when law enforcement got a wrong by blaming a teacher, and why this investigation remains chaotic. then. >> we are trying to recruit, truly is going to be an army. shocking new reporting on the republican plan for election day chaos, in a key battleground state, and george
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conway on a new effort to overturn the election. as republicans gather to prepare and launch benghazi style attacks on joe biden, how another one of their phony investigations just collapsed. >> what about the unmasking of america? >> why has there been such limited coverage of the flynn on masking? >> who can believe a thing like? this >> went all in starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes, in the one week since the shooting in uvalde, there's been 18 more mass shootings in this country, and tonight we come on the air with news of, another just breaking it was in tulsa oklahoma and saint francis hospital, inside the hospital according to the tulsa police, it started earlier this afternoon asked -- there have been multiple injuries and three confirmed fatalities, police have also confirmed the shooters death.
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this evening, the tulsa police captain describe the scene is catastrophic. he said officers were going from florida florida room to room, rescuing people making sure there are no additional threats. -- we're expecting a briefing from law enforcement later this hour, now this is a developing story, it's often the case went terrible like news like this breaks, particularly in mass shootings, the reports are initially chaotic and scary. gabe gutierrez is a nbc news national correspondent, he joins me now with the latest. gabe, i know we may not know so much so far, but what do we know? >> in the next few minutes, we're expecting a briefing from authorities. as you said, police so far have confirmed at least three people are dead, plus the gunman, who is described as a man with the rifle. it's still unclear whether he took his own life or he was shot by police, but investigators are now going room to room in that part of the hospital.
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we are told that it took place in what is called -- the newest building in the saint francis hospital complex in tulsa. the shooting unfolded somewhere around 5 pm local, time 6 pm eastern time. police say that the shooter died sometime a half hour later or so, but at this point we don't have a motive, way too early for that, we don't know the identities of the victims their ages or what their connection was to the hospital or to the government for that matter. again, chris, we are waiting more information from authorities in the next few minutes. so far at least three people dead plus the gunman at this point. >> gave, also my understanding there are also some injuries as well, and hopefully those folks can get treated, obviously complicated by the fact that the hospital itself -- >> again, we are hearing of multiple injuries at this point, as you know, chris, you've covered many of these the
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numbers are hard to come by at this point we, the initial shooting happened just a few hours ago. and we have no idea this suspect gunman described only as a man with the rifle who entered the hospital, we don't know if perhaps the man may have been there earlier, was somehow connected to a patient there, so a lot of questions unfolding at this point we understand federal authorities are on the scene are in a russian investigation. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you very much, it's been eight days since a gunman murdered 19 children to adults in uvalde texas, and as we have covered that awful story, i've got to be honest, i've been reluctant to share some of the most heartbreaking details. i think as a parent and a human being, everything about them is excruciating. but i'm going to show you these new images from volley, because there are so much to bear and
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have to be seen. these are some of the child-sized caskets, maybe you've seen them floating around social media. they're being customized for the victims of the shooting. a texas company during the caskets, had to ship it in from a manufacturer in georgia, because of course no one stops large quantities of tiny caskets they chose a designer reflected something that the children loved, like softball or dinosaurs. artists hand-painted h1 murky nonstop for days. this atrocity happened because a gunman willed it, he is responsible morally this 18 year old was able to get a gun, multiple guns and -- rounds of ammunition. he was able to do that because it or how to regulate this they made it by publican concerns
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and who fetishize those same weapons and for the first hours there is been misinformation, wrong information. it has been hard to access they all seemed on one thing in common, they all seem to have been produced by desire, whether explicit or implicit, to find anything to blame that is not the, guns the access to, guns or the police officers involved in the response. because, from the standpoint of texas republican officials, like the ones that assembled in a big stage in that first event, it just cannot be the case that this horror occurred to do it in combination of easy access to guns, and policing competence. so police need a frantic effort to find another explanation, amongst the most ludicrous was the story about adore, that we
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heard over and over, especially from texas governor and podcaster ted cruz. >> don't have all of these unlocked back doors, have one door into an out of the school, and have that door with armed police officers at the door. if that happened, if those federal grants had gone to this school, when that psychopath arrived, the armed police officers could've taken him out, and we'd have 19 children into teacher still alive. >> there's a lot there, right? the but for causes there wasn't the grant for these doors, if the door had been locked, the cops could've taken them out immediately, both pretty questionable. of, course it was not clear white people like ted cruz were focusing so much attention on doors. obviously they don't hold much doors open in a school building. , also schools are public places, people are gonna come in and out, in fact the morning of the shooting, people came into the building for an awards stew -- on a roll. you can understand how adore might be left open, and if it was left open, there will be a
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natural innocent mistake, amid a big event on a warm morning a few days before the end of the school year. but then on friday, after several disastrous press conferences, full of unanswered questions and stonewalling, the texas department of public safety came out to set the record straight about the timeline of events last tuesday. this was the big like, here is the deal. no more messing, around getting giving tuesday, stephen mccraw directive this texas dps, laid out the details of the incomprehensible nearly 90 minute delay for the first 9-1-1 call to that when the police finally confronted the gunman, but the multiple calls in between while the children were in the classroom with the gunman. miss or mccaw place the blame for the gunman entering the school in the first, place on a teacher and a door. >> 11:27 we, know from video evidence, 11:27. the exterior door we --
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suspected of what we knew the shoe the shooter entered, was propped open by a teacher. 11:20, a suspect vehicle crashes into addicts, that same teacher walks back to the exit door, the door remains propped open. bottom line is, we reported what happened, is that backdoor is propped open, it wasn't supposed we propped, open was supposed to be locked, and certainly the teacher that went back for a cell phone, and prompted open again. that was an access point that the suspect used. >> you see rita did there? that was not subtle. that's the head of the texas department of public safety, squarely pointing the finger at a teacher who allegedly left the door product open. that teacher is a real person, he's not naming that, person but this is a small community. people in the town might know who that teacher was. can you imagine being that
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teacher? who has gone through the trauma of a mass murderer in their school, is now being blamed by high-ranking law enforcement official on national television, for essentially having the blood of 19 children on their hands. and it wasn't even true. a lawyer for the teacher told the full story to the san antonio express news, she did prop open the door to carry the food from the car to the classroom, and while she was outside she saw the gunman crashes car. the lawyer says quote, she ran back inside to get her phone to report the accident, she came back out well on the phone with 9-1-1, the man at the funeral home across the street yelled, she has a gun, she saw him jump the fence and she had a gun, so she ran back inside. she kicked the rocket away when she went back, in she remembers pulling the door closed while telling 9-1-1 that she is shooting. she thought the door locked because it's always supposed to lock. in other words, she did the right thing, she called 9-1-1, she closed the door, she had the presence of mind to kick
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the rock in this moment a threat, and the doors was to lock. and get, that now the texas department of public safety said, well, we got it wrong. spokesman confirmed that we did right verify she closed the door, door did not lock, we know that much. our investigators are looking into why danylyuk. i'm sorry, guys, but that's not like a little whoop see. they basically slander this teacher, again, who have survived a mass shooting, and who did the correct, a courageous thing with her wits about her. thought on her feet and acted quickly. all of those things that as far as we can, tell law enforcement largely did not do. and yet, there is mr. mccaughey out there in front of the cameras trying to make her, or him shoulder the blame because of their ideological desire to find an answer to this is not the guns of the cops. we've now reached a point with more information in there the more questions come up and the
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anger about what's seems to be a total failing by law enforcement. there's no other way to characterize it. we can learn new things, better explain the response, but that might be difficult because the chief of police for the schools is allegedly no longer cooperating with investigators. a spokesman for a texas tv tell us if you see news, that she arredondo participated in initial interview, but did not answer requests for follows made more than two days ago -- and the department of justice she's been reporting on the aftermath of the uvalde shooting and she joins me now. julia, lots of conflicting reports, here i don't know who to trust, honestly, because at this point some of the things that point the finger at the local school police, or the local police comes from people from dps, who hasn't been straight with us. what is the status of the cooperation of local police and investigators.
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that's a great question, chris, we know that local police at least in the beginning had the incident control, that was people arredondo who you described, i heard from federal law enforcement responded to the scene, the cbp, and ice responded, as well as state enforcement who say that it was people arredondo making the calls. they're in terms of who is heading these investigations, we now have texas dps, so that state level department of public safety, the man who said well the door was actually closed, that is an investigation into itself. that is the first investigation that started in the aftermath of the shooting, and i have to, say as a reporter, it was really strange that we didn't get a lot of information that first about what happened in the shooting. typically, all that can come out in the first 12 hours, but it kept been fielded back to texas dps, they wouldn't take
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any calls, wouldn't answer emails, and we can figure out from these basic details from the beginning, but the investigation was supposed to be headed up by them, they wear the chief until just a few days, ago the justice department launched their own investigation, that separate. that's more are looking forward i patterns and practices that can be avoided, change in the future. we will still have to look to this very official, when you talk, about for now changing the story on the door, and changes story on whether there was an armed police officer when this gunman came to the school. we now know there was not. we are now looking to them to be the head of this investigation, and to give us answers, it is hard, i think a lot of people of actually said, an investigation should include the talking points that were given to the media at the very beginning. because we're not just talking about medium a graphic in here for salacious details, these are the details that led to the final moments of these children's lives. >> i want to be clear about
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that, however people about are grieving about this in this community, whether the directly affected or not, i think we all hold space for that. some of them may want the media to run off and never talked anyone down there, and i would went 100% understand that. but it is also my understanding that people want to know what happened. in the town, parents, family members, and also the public. getting to the bottom of that is part of it, and it has been incredibly difficult. there's also the federal law enforcement aspect of this, which i find so strange. in the, and it was federal law enforcement, it was border patrol, of whom there are many in that town in that region, kind of riding the building. there is some federal components of, this it feels like we should get some definitive answer from the feds at the very least. >> it's interesting, i cover dhs, and usually talking about immigration with, you but in this case have been going to dhs trying to get a lot of these answers, and they keep pushing me back to dps, because
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they are running the investigation. we are able to talk to some senior law enforcement officials were able to run us through the timeline that that tactical unit from custom support protection actually arrived at the school 12:15. they were told by people arredondo to wait outside, until 30 minutes later they decided to go in and form that stack, they filed in behind this yielding took out the pillar. but it has, been over and over again, federal law enforcement seeding to locals in the states, saying they should be the ones giving us, answers and you're absolutely right, a lot of families may not want to talk to the media right, now as i understand from our reporters on the, ground some families of posted on the doors that they don't want to talk to anyone. that's been respected, but i do think there is a public interest here to find out what happened, so it doesn't get repeated. >> yeah, this was obviously a catastrophe in 1 million different directions, but just getting the ground facts seem so important, thank you so much. so, we continue to watch for updates from tulsa, we will bring them to you as we get them. again, we want to make sure we
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have good information, so we're not going through that cycle again like we did in the initial moments after we've all day, coming up we have another mega conspiracy theory that comes crashing down. >> it was the greatest political crime in the history of our country, if i were a democrat or a republican, i think everybody would have been in jail a long time ago. >> one of the biggest names in the democratic party are not going to prison, plus one trump lawyers step-by-step plan to overturn the 2020 election gets released to the public, we'll take a look at what it says, next. we'l take a look at what it says, next
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there was a shocking ruling from the judge in a civil case, -- between john eastman, one of the authors of one of the coup memos. he was trying to prevent the committee from getting hands on his emails, because he was a lawyer, and he says well this stuff was privileged and the judge denied his request and saying it was more likely than not that president trump and dr. is eastman dishonestly conspired to obstruct the joint session of congress. meaning that it was probably criminal and part of the crime fraud ex deception. one of the documents in question, -- that was forwarded to eastman. the judge ruled that, quote, it was subject to the crime fraud exception, and the court rules it to be disclosed. now the crime fraud exception
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is exactly what it sounds, like you did not get attorney-client privilege for documents that may have you been used to commit a crime. thanks to that, ruling we have that document, the crime fraud exception smoking gun, it is yet another, memo a how to manual to overturn the election. it lays out a plan to halt the certification of joe biden's victory on january 6th. this memo raises a whole new set of questions, including the role that chuck grassley played his pro tempore of the senate. because this scheme, laid out in a kind of instructional fashion would've essential work like this, the vice president announces he will now serve as a presiding officer, and the absence the president pro tem pore acts as president of the senate, weathers chuck grassley another senior republican. a prominent lawyer and former republican -- resulted in the release of this new memo, he wrote an opinion piece in the washington post, a federal judge said trump probably committed a crime. the doj can't ignore that.
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he joins me now. george, we have the big reveal here of what this memo was. and it's create granular and how they envisioned this, say truly, cool being pulled off. what is your impression of it? >> absolutely, the judge was absolutely right to order released under the crime fraud exception, it was an attempt to completely overturn the election, and refused to apply the electoral count act, which under the 12th amendment governs the counting the vote by congress, not that the president. there's even a sentence where a phrase leading into the paragraph, in the mother says any of the outcome sketched above seems preferable to allowing the electoral count act to operate by its terms. hey, they're basically saying, do anything but allow the law to operate the way it literally
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says, which is a congress -- this is absolutely an attempt to undermined, and disrupt -- it was an attempt to commit fraud against the united states, under false present is interfering with a lawful function of government. this is part, it's important to remember, of a multifaceted conspiracy. stirring the people up to make them be wild on january 6th, to get them to go up on the hill, to have these fake electors so that they can create the pretense that there's some kind of a contest here. finally you get the vice president to violate the law, or to swap him out for grassley, and have basically the person gavel in or refused to count the electoral votes the congress is supposed to count,
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and we're all certified by the various authorities in the various states. >> i was reading the memo, i saw when i was first published, it reminds me of, if you're dave in a program if your computer programmer, or troubleshooting something in her house. we are doing is you're trying to get five or six things to work together, and we'll see what's wrong. this is the opposite of, that where the different places that we can make trouble, that would screw it up, and we make the light now turn on. let's just go through whatever of those we can do. >> right, and you know, there's so many metaphor as you can use, throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. this was a multifaceted conspiracy to do whatever it takes, whatever it took to stop the counting of electoral votes on january 6th. that has to be a crime. if that's not a crime, that's
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under the statute. >> that's the interesting question, the question of obviously at an intuitive level, at a basic intuitively audible, not in terms of reading the statutes in the criminal code, this is wrong. it's obviously anti-democratic, it's obviously a lawless and offensive to our consumption of self governance. the question of whether it's technical crime is more specific, one and obviously the judge ruled in this case, we have these memos that probable crime was committed. now reading the memo, what is your feeling about that? >> yeah, it becomes more probable with each piece of evidence, but i hope the january six committee will do, and i expect they will do, is even if if nothing else than what's already been revealed, to go through all those strands, and explain how in various corrupt and deceitful ways, people conspired and attempted, and led by donald trump to obstruct this proceeding of congress and to stop a lawful
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function of government, the counting of electoral votes. and under section three 71 of the conspiracy to defraud statute, people went to jail 100 years ago for lying to people about whether they had to sign up for selective service in world war i. this is just so much more significant than that. they're -- trying to deceive people into ending democracy and then it states, that's not a legal document, that's crazy. the question is, is there significant evidence of criminal intent, he keeps dribbling out. there's certainly enough evidence by a preponderance of evidence, as the judge ruled, the calls in this memo to come out. and the question is, will the justice department, once it finishes the investigation, will it believe that it has enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt? and you know, they're working on that, as illustrated by
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there is news the other day the john eastman got a grand jury subpoena. so anyway, these are interesting times. >> interesting, eastman got a subpoena or navarro? >> sorry, navarro. i'm sorry. >> that's fine, i just wanted to make sure there wasn't huge news breaking huge news on our program. peter navarro did get that subpoena, there's a grand jury that is looking to criminal exposure here, and that's very clear. george, conway as, always thank you so, much appreciated. >> thanks, bye. >> coming, up it's going to be an army, new recordings of republican operatives reveal a plan to potentially overturn votes in key states, we'll talk to a reporter, who broke the story, that's next. we broke the story, that's next
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can to make sure it works next time, our next guest uncovered multiple republicans working on a multi pronged strategy to potentially overturn votes in democratic precincts. she broke the story running for politico, her remarkable new piece and which aren't seen other republican groups are planning to contest upcoming elections in michigan and other swing states, heidi, great to have you on. so, tell me a little bit about what this effort is, who's coordinating it and wet level they are looking to do it. >>, election leader legal experts i talked, to agree that this is really unprecedented, by a political party, in this case the rnc to recruit folks, many of whom are election deniers, to become actual workers. workers within the architecture of the architecture administration system, workers who would be trained beforehand in workshops, sponsored by the rnc on how to contest voters
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and well as well as voting processes. workers who will be equipped with new tools, for instance, such as a hotline whether they will be in touch constantly with roving party attorneys who will help them determine whether they have a legal challenge, whether they can fire a legal challenge. as well as a website, called zantac. if you use the live chat with retailers that's what they're planning to use to connect these individuals with roving party attorneys, there is also a much broader network and this is the unprecedented network as well which is the talk of recruiting friendly district attorney's. the talk of reach out to law enforcement in advance, is in -- we are a lot of untrained poll watchers for violating covid
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protocols, they were violating covid protocols and law enforcement take them out. this time there is a coordinated effort to reach out to law enforcement even one official who talked about creating a kid to educate law enforcement of the problem of voter fraud of course we need to point out that in michigan there over 250 audits done by local clerks as well as a senate gop report that found no evidence of widespread fraud. so the bottom line here, chris, is there is a lot of concern that the end effective this would be simply to create a lot of chaos, and democratic precincts. those are the precincts i heard him talking about again and again on the tapes, there are places including detroit, pontiac, south field, flint. those are also happen to be heavily minority districts, what you're talking about here are bringing in a lot of gop trump supporters who think that
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there is fraud in these minority districts, to actually challenge votes and voters, it just gives us a window into the breadth of this strategy that frankly, steve bannon has been talking about for quite sometime, openly, on his podcast that he calls the precinct strategy, which is placing a lot of these individuals into positions of authority within the election administration system, which is different than what happened in 2020, of course, where he just got a lot of untrained poll challengers. it is easy for a lot enforcement as well as clerks to say hey, no, you stepped over your boundaries, you have to go outside. >> okay, i just wanna be clear about, this because i think the insidious-ness here is key. we're talking, rod of need mcdaniel had this responsive is like, well poll watchers are literally how this works. my understanding is, there are two kinds of people in a precinct right. there are the folks that are administering the election, that are nonpartisan, they're making sure you got your ballot
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bill giving a stick or maybe they give you don't condone it and that is usually one wrap each of each party or campaign can have a poll watcher, depends on the rules and different places. those people are there any kind of partisan capacity my understanding though is that the former group the coffee, the donut, the sticker people, people that we're doing all that stuff, in a purely administrator capacity, to essentially use them as like undercover inside saboteurs, where then like blowing the whistle on people,. >> you know it is a big distinction and i'm glad that you're making it, because in her statement she really blurred who were talking about here. we're not talking about those poll watchers, right? we are talking actually about the nonpartisan officials who are there to actually administer the election, if you look at some of the quotes for instance from the media video recordings, you heard the election integrity director from michigan talk about how,
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ideally, many of these people are not just people, workers they'd actually be inspectors. even if they're not inspectors, they want them to do all sorts of things, such as demand demos of how the machines, work demand tabulator results, make the clerk show them to the voting machines are not connected to the internet, for instance. all of these conspiracy theories, frankly, that we heard from 2020. and the and impact, again, of this, is it potentially creates a lot of chaos, in democratic precincts. you heard trump recently say himself, within the past week or so to the new york times that he was weighing his endorsements for state legislative candidates based on individuals who would want to have the state legislature play a greater role in certifying elections. well, this is showing how something like that could bubble up at the grassroots. if you kick up enough dust, if you kick up enough legal hayes,
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there's a possibility to say hey, those democratic precincts are a mess, we can't certify, the state legislature is gonna have to step. and another potential way to disenfranchise and cause chaos, was pointed out by an election clerk who treated my story of today, and mentioned how if you occupy these clerks and the precinct captains, you are de facto disenfranchising people who have to wait a really long time while you retain some of these challenges. >> yeah, i just want to be clear about what is being trained here, and what the takeaway is, great reporting, heidi very appreciated. coming, up president biden says the u.s. will send advanced rocket systems to ukraine, as the war in ukraine just a more favorable taryn for russia. how has the global energy conflict intensified this conflict, we'll talk about that. ed thi conflict, we'll talk about
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the latest details coming out of tulsa, oklahoma, where a mass shooting took place at the st. francis hospital earlier today. tulsa police just finished a press conference, nbc news national correspondent kate gutierrez is back to me with the newest information. >> several, updates first unfortunately the death toll has gone up. there are now at least four people dead, plus the gunman, according to police. the gunman still has not been identified, but he is believed to be between 35 and 45 years
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old, they are still investigating a motive. a police spokesperson was asked whether that gunman may have been targeting everybody specifically, and essentially they said that they are looking into that at this point, but again no motive has been established. no officers were hurt, in terms of injuries, chris, there was no specific number, but a police spokesperson at nbc news spoke with so that is believed to be less than ten people injured, and they all have non life-threatening injuries. the suspect, according to police, had two weapons, a pistol and a long gun, both weapons were used at the scene. it was the quick response, according to police, they said they got the call within three minutes they were on the scene. arriving officers tried to get the second floor, tried to kick in the door to the stairwell of the second floor, and at the gunman then died of self
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inflicted gunshot wounds, again chris, the breaking news the death toll is up to four, in that tell us a shooting at st. francis hospital in tulsa, it occurred at the natalee building which is a newest one of that complex until, said just a short time ago. four people, dead plus the gunman. on the self inflicted gunshot wound. >> gabe gutierrez, thanks so much for the update, i appreciate it. >> another tragic shooting time -- we'll be right back. -- we'll be right back.
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as the russian invasion of ukraine continues into its fourth month, there is a fork in the road in front of ukraine and the countries it. supported allies are beginning to wonder, what is the goal? the and state for ending this conflict, what isn't in acceptable outcome. the initial phase of the invasion was clearly disastrous for russia, fighting is now shifting towards the eastern regions of ukraine. which puts russia on more -- rain. so they're defending. it the u.s. is sending advanced rocket systems, and munitions to ukraine, as part of the million-dollar military package. as of today, president joe biden putting this op-ed on the new york times, explain that the u.s. will or will not do when it comes to the invasion of nick crane, and the war there. he knows that we will not be directly engaged in this, conflict by sending troops to, ukraine we are not encouraging or enabling new crane to --
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prolong the, war just inflict pain on russia. at the same time, it appears a fracture is beginning to form into what has been the unified front in countries in europe, into was the want to help ukraine, which is to send more weapons in support of ukraine getting the decisive military victory, and other countries that want to pressure ukraine towards the negotiation table. a lot of that has to do with where those countries in europe are getting their energy. david wall as well as an opinion writer for the new york times. -- with his latest piece for the times, has a newsletter, how putin has played his energy call, and he joins. many >> thanks for having, me good to be. here >> energy has lived over there in the very beginning, i think in the beginning there is a sense even in the run up before the invasion, these countries have been kind of corrupted in some ways by their access to russian hydrocarbon, with germany be in the number
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one example. and then the sort of surprising solidarity, and now that seems like it's starting to fracture, as you lay out. what are the factors here, one of the factors? europe is about to impose an oil embargo on russian oil, and that's a major step forward, it means that the continent as a whole is, at least for the moment, still playing ball together and trying to fight the energy front in this war as one. but we don't know exactly how long that will last, and there is a great divergence between those countries that have some other opportunities to bring in particularly liquid natural gas this, year and those who are going to be really suffering of russia cuts authorize going forward. so russia is kind of gas to, poland to belarus, and now the netherlands, i think they're threatening denmark. and if that becomes a continent wide position, but they're not gonna be providing gas to any country in europe, it's going to mean a lot of economic pain. some countries are going to be
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much -- going to have a much harder time demi, that and keeping a united front than others. >> we're already seeing this show up an inflation on the continent of europe, it's very high, it's now higher in europe than it is here, their inflation is being driven more by energy prices than ours here. obviously, as we're seeing here in the u.s., with energy price inflation, but inflation in, general is not just that u.s. voters like, it basically no one likes it, and it has really negative political effects. >> across, europe we're talking about energy prices that, we're depending on which measure, considerably higher than they were in the. u.s. are looking for, baseline especially when we talk about gas for the cars, they're already much closer to those pressure points. and what happens in a place as wealthy as these western your places, is people by and large can afford to spend that, money but then they have much less money for other things. so it's essentially a producer
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of poverty across the continent. that's likely to get even worse if the continent as a her whole is pulled into a recession, which seems relatively likely if russia does pull the plug on gas. >> we should say the inflation just hit 8% in may, which is the highest in the 25 years of europe. so they haven't seen anything like this in the duration of eurozone. the bigger, question these are the short term's questions, the politics of, this the unity of purpose of europe, whether there's more pressure on zelenskyy to find a negotiated settlement. but the broader stuff that is most important is the trajectory in europe, and what it means for the. climate europe had been one of the more ambitious nations in his pledges, some of those major -- nations have been further long than anything else. the idea that do you double down on that in the wake of this destruction? or do you say run for, lives go get as much cheap alum jesus you can get? >> the problems, we're talking
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about disruptions that are only gonna unfold over the course of three or six months, you just can't build infrastructure in that amount of time. so the options are really limited, here. you can open up huge solar wind capacity, maybe you could eke out a little bit more here in. they're furred really dealing with a huge shortfall of all of the russian gas disappearing, that's 40% of u.s. energy, that is going to be a have to be placed to some degree by dirty energy sources. the big long term picture is still relatively encouraging climate, i think the lesson of this war is basically we can't do business with petrol stays anymore, for climate reasons, but not only for climate reasons. but that means over the next two or three years is, i think much more complicated, i think the top climate timelines are so, short that a distraction or delay on 18 months, in decarbonization can really make some of our climate goals impossible to really reach. >> explain that more,. >> we have to cut our carbon emissions in half by 20, 30 if
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europe doesn't start declining its emissions for another three or four years, that really puts them behind the eight ball, and makes the math of that 1.5 degrees celsius target, much much harder to achieve an event at the global level. >> the problem, is in the short term, this addiction, which is the metaphor that is useful, nothing illustrates more how much you don't want to have -- live on the whims of vladimir putin and mohammed bin salman than this. but that's where you are, and a bill does take time, the commitment takes time across division administration, have to sustain political will for them. that's been the problem. throughout >> all along, we're seeing these countries have been to some extent over the barrel, because for the time being we don't have a very good option. so if we had pursue decarbonization, faster and had brought about a better energy transition, we will have to depend on those countries are bad actors. unfortunately, we didn't, so we do. >> best time to do it is 20 years, ago the second best time
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