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back the clock to the very time when they head to risk jail time to get women to health care that they needed. that is tomorrow morning at 8 am eastern on velshi, the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle begins right now. >> tonight, the end of a tumultuous week, that's on bitter debate over gun violence. and another trump insider indicted. peter navarro describes an arrest with handcuffs and leg irons. we preview the drama still to come. and a great jobs report noted the really high gas prices. what to make of mixed signals for america's economy? then, marking 100 days of an unprovoked invasion of ukraine. we'll hear from three of the brave women reporting from the war zone, as the 11th hour gets underway on this friday night. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good evening once again. i'm stephanie ruhle.
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we've got a lot to cover tonight, so let's get smarter. there are several competing headlines on this friday night, involving the january six investigation and 100 days of war in ukraine. but this nation is also still reeling from a string of devastating massacres carried out with guns. and on this national gun violence awareness day, many of us are wearing orange, including the white house, to honor gun victims and survivors. over the last few weeks, mask shootings have taken dozens of lives, and injured so many others. the demand for new legislation grew even louder this week. >> do something! do something! do something! do something! >> we will. we will. >> don't have all of these on locked back doors. >> let's have an assault weapons ban. >> mental illness -- >> mitch mcconnell, it's time
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for you to use the word, gun. >> they won't make schools safer. >> that is a lie. that is not true. it will save lives. >> your ideas have been shown to get people killed. >> do not tell me that the answer to this is to put even more guns on the streets, or to militarize our schools. >> right here in front of me, i have a six hour p226. it comes with a 21 round magazine. >> time after time, you have chosen the right to kill over our right to live. >> how much more carnage are we willing to accept? how many more american lives must be taken before we say, enough, enough? >> also tonight. less than one week before the first primetime january sixth hearing, there are major developments in the investigation. a federal grand jury today indicted former trump trade advisor peter navarro, for refusing to respond to a
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subpoena to the house 1/6 committee, which wants to testify about his involvement, and efforts to overturn the 2020 election. navarro says he was arrested while trying to board a flight to nashville, and he still spoke to reporters after this court of hearings. >> they intercepted me getting on the plane. and then, they put me in handcuffs. they bring me here. they put irons in my leg. they stick me in a cell. by the way, i was in the john hinckley cell. they seem to think that it was like an important historical note. >> he was the only one who noted it. tonight, nbc news has confirmed a new york times report, that the doj will not bring charges against trump's final chief of staff mark meadows, and another adviser, dan scavino. the house recommended both be charged for refusing to cooperate. and another january six for the report in the times says a former top aide to mike pence actually warned the secret service before the capitol riot, that trump planned to turn on his vp, potentially putting
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pence in danger. there's also significant election news out of pennsylvania tonight. doctor mehmet oz, trump's pick to the gop senate nominee is officially the winner of that race. new today, former head fund manager dave mccormack conceded, and promised to support oz. >> it is so important for pennsylvania, so important that we beat on fetterman, and it's important to the country that we take back the majority in the senate. >> oz will now face that recovering new lieutenant governor in november's race for the senate. with that, we have a lot to cover. let's bring in our lead off panel this evening. three of my favorites. winning journalist jonathan capehart. he's an associate editor at the washington post, and anchor of the sunday show right here on msnbc. tim miller also joins us, a contributor to the bulwark, and former communications director for george bush and, a fashion icon. and former u.s. attorney joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. mr. capehart, i turn to you first.
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i want you to hear what one texas state senator said today about the shooting in uvalde over a week later. >> i feel like we all failed these children. i mean, we all failed these children. yesterday, i talked to a little third grader who was there. i mean, he could hardly speak to me. he was so traumatized. >> we've heard these same things since sandy hook, and it's not just kids, it's the teachers, school administrators, it was police, anyone who was anywhere near sandy hook, they're still suffering. so why are we still having this debate over what to do? >> because it seems like there's a small group of people on capitol hill who refused to listen to the majority of the american people who support common sense, gun safety legislation that won't stop every and all mass shootings, but will do something to perhaps prevent some.
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we're still having this conversation because there aren't enough people who are members of the nra, who agree with common sense gun safety legislation, but don't rise up and say we need to do this for the safety of our country. nobody's talking about grabbing guns. nobody is talking about confiscating guns, if you want to buy 15, 20 guns at a walmart, why shouldn't you submit to a background check? why, if you're 18, why should you be allowed to get an ar-15? why shouldn't you have to be 21, and then go through a background check, and then, you know, follow safe storage laws and things like that? until the few people on capitol hill, and i'm talking specifically about republicans in the senate, pay attention
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and listen to the majority of the american people, and nra members who say they agree with common sense gun safety legislation, and then there will be no change. and you know what, stephanie? i remember being on the set on msnbc, when the news came in, ten years ago, this december, about what happened in sandy hook. and i thought, this is the time. this is the time, if babies, little kids, first graders, could be killed in their classrooms, and we don't do anything about it, then we don't care about children. and then, parkland happened. and now, uvalde has happened. and so, the folks on capitol hill have been hammering on about having talks. unless they do something, we're going to see more of this carnage. and the country should not have to live this way. >> we're not going to see more carnage. we are seeing more carnage, this week alone.
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joyce, take us to alabama. that is where you live. that's a state where there's a lot of support for gun rights. is the conversation changing at all after the shootings? >> i think the conservative, second amendment rights places like alabama, is where the conversation will change last, if it changes at all. the one area where i think we can sometimes make progress, there is talking about different kinds of weapons, and something that a lot of people are unaware of, when it comes to an ar-15, is that this is a gun whose purpose is to shoot a lot of high caliber bullets very, very quickly, and do a lot of damage. so, the standard magazine on an ar-15 is 30 rounds, sometimes 20 rounds. that means you've got a firearm in your hands that no one really needs for self protection, but no one really needs for hunting. we hear these people talking
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about killing feral hawks, and it's simply unnecessary. i think a conversation, and jonathan puts it so appropriately, about what sort of sensible safety measures are we willing to take to protect children's lives, to protect people who are praying in a church? it has to be re-postured as a conversation that's about compromise and not about absolute rights. no one has an absolute right to own a firearm. the supreme court just released a majority opinion inhaler, said there is some types of restrictions that could be imposed. and so now, the conversation has to shift to what are the reasonable restrictions. what are we willing to do to protect children? >> tim, take us to the senate. do you think democrats are being naive or overly optimistic, that they think maybe the gop is gonna work with us this time? this week alone, we saw republican congressman, right around the buffalo area, chris jacobs, come out, and say, we need to do something about assault rifles. he said we gotta do something
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about this. what happens two days later? he announces he is not seeking reelection. what does that tell you about the state of the gop and guns? >> it tells you that they're not doing anything. look, i'm happy that chris murphy is somebody that actually cares. this is the person who cares, and wants to do anything he can, even on the margins, to try and limit this carnage. and so, i think we should continue working with republicans, and trying to scrunch up ten votes for something that is gonna be very modest, maybe a tweak in the background checks, maybe some incentives for red flag laws, and probably re-diverting some of the covid money to school safety, it will probably start to turn out something like that. maybe there are ten votes for that. and we should do that. but the democrats need to think bigger than that. and the reason why you saw chris jacobs step away from congress, which is like the most depressing political news of the week, not the most depressing news, was that he was getting pressured. and it's not about the money. he's getting pressured from his own voters, from conservative media, from people in the
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conservative infrastructure, that say, you have to hold the line on this. and if you don't, we're gonna run you out. and he even wants to stay in the fight. the democrats need to bring that same level of fight to republicans. and i just -- i sometimes feel like they give up on this issue because they've been burned so many times. but if you look at something, i'm just picking one thing, like moving the age to buy an ar-15 from 18 to 21, like jonathan was talking about, that you can't buy a white claw if you're 18, but you can buy to ar-15s, and 370 bullets. that is insane! suburban moms in milwaukee and in pennsylvania where there are key senate races this week, they are not for that. they want the age to be 21. they don't want their kids high school anybody else and that's got to be able to get an ar-15 whether they want. you can just imagine the hands on this. and the democrats need to prosecute a case on this. their friends and their super
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packs and rich liberals want to get involved, need to run aggressive ads, and there needs to be serious efforts to put as much pressure on these republicans to do common sense stuff like that, as the republicans are getting from their own base from fox and from the nra. that's the safe thing to do. >> those suburban moms are willing to buy a six pack of white gloss for their 18 year olds. but they certainly wouldn't buy them an ar-15. it just makes absolutely no sense. joyce, let's turn to the generous january 6th investigation. what's up with the doj, not charging mark meadows and dan scavino, if they arrest peter navarro? how does that work? >> so, really, the bigger news here is that doj has agreed to prosecute the two cases, bannon and navarro, because traditionally, doj has been very hesitant to intervene in these issues between congress and its witnesses. we've talked a lot, stephanie, about how imperfect this mechanism congress has support and forcing its subpoenas, which is doj has to some extent here taking a stance, and so
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that it will back up congress when it needs help. but only when there's this flagrant sort of disavowal of obligation to comply with a subpoena. and so, what would ultimately save meadows, i think, if we read into the statement that doj has made, saying that they looked at each case, based on its individual circumstances. and so, you have meadows who provided thousands of documents to the committee, didn't go as far as they wanted, but did give obviously some very powerful information to them. and doj declined to get involved there. i think the big unanswered question is whether or not the doj has a larger investigation, and whether mark meadows is part of that investigation. did he engage in some conduct that he's still at risk for? or are he and dan scavino out of the woods with this announcement, they won't be prosecuted for contempt to congress. >> jonathan, i hope you brought
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your gop dakota ring. -- but i need to make an exception, and i want you to hear his reaction to navarro's indictment today. watch this. >> if you are a republican, you can't even lie to congress, or lie to an fbi agent, or if they're coming after you, they're gonna bury you, they're gonna put you in the d. c. jail and terrorize and torture you. >> okay. that is a u.s. congressman, complaining, complaining because republicans can't lie to the fbi. they can't because that's a felony. what in the world is he saying? >> [laughs] i was leaning in, stephanie, because i was like, wait, he said what? >> we are not allowed to lie to congress! what? >> [laughs] -- not only not allowed to lie to the fbi, but if he do, he goes to jail. yeah, louis, that's what happens. you break the law, you get
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arrested. i'm sorry, louis, i mean, he's a member of congress. so congressman gohmert, seriously man? seriously? what happened to peter navarro is what should have happened to peter navarro. he was indicted. and when you're indicted, you're arrested, and your brought to court, and you stand before the judge. but listening to gohmert, and listening to peter navarro earlier today, peter navarro was equally hilarious, because clearly, this is somebody who either has not watched law and order, or is just appalled taking that back, that he would be arrested before he got on an airplane, and put in handcuffs, and brought to jail, and put in a cell, and shackled. hello? that's what happens to millions of americans every day, when they're caught up in the criminal justice system.
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and if he had complied with that subpoena, or if he's gone through the efforts that mark meadows did, by trying to cooperate, negotiating and then saying, never mind. but instead, he thought that subpoena from minute one. so, sorry peter navarro. sorry, congressman gohmert. you are both wrong, hilariously wrong. and i really feel sorry for congressman gohmert's constituents. i really do. >> when we heard from peter navarro today, i was reminded of how we met him. he did not spend decades in the halls of congress, or working as an economist, that you are familiar with. jared kushner found peter navarro from an amazon search, looking for someone who's views aligned with trump's. that's how we got the job. our three fantastic guests have agreed to stick around. unfortunately for them, we're not letting him go yet. coming up, despite climbing prices, consumers are still buying, and jobs are still out there. we put the latest economic
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numbers in perspective. and later, 100 days of a destructive invasion of ukraine. three of the best women war correspondents are here, and what they've seen, and what lies ahead. the 11th hour is just getting started on this busy friday night.
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393,000 jobs in may -- a very big number -- americans are still struggling with inflation. but for facts'sake, it's worth remembering, this is not just an american problem. here in the u.s., we are dealing with an inflation rate of just over 8%, slightly lower than in canada and mexico. but it's up to 9% in the uk. and it's close to 10% in the netherlands. in brazil, they have got 12% inflation. but here is the thing -- it is not about global facts. it's about how people feel. they are struggling to buy things at the grocery store,
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and fill their car with gas. and then it does not matter what is happening on the other side of the world. it matters what is happening in your life here. so, with us are our great guests jonathan capehart, tim miller, and joyce vance -- guys, bear with me for a second. it's not that we have a good or bad economy. we have a divided, complicated one. for people who are poor americans, those living paycheck to paycheck, covid is hard and it's gotten harder because of inflation. but that's only part of the american story. there is another part of our economy that's keeping prices high. one thing that keeps prices up is our willingness to pay those prices. and many people saved a lot of money during covid and demand is pent-up. and we are spending. we are buying new cars, we are buying used cars. we are expecting a huge travel year, where people are going to be buying plane tickets and going on road trips. all of this is causing a spike in gas prices. why is it, tim, that the biden administration can't tell that story? it's not all good, it's not all bad. we have a huge country, a huge economy, and it's a complicated
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economic recovery. >> jonathan gets louis gohmert and i have to answer how the biden administration deals with the economy? that's tough, that's a tough deal. well, here is the answer, steph. i would say it's an annoying economy, honestly. >> that's a great way to put it. >> it's day in and day out, right? i want to go back to the gun issue. if you talk about the people who are going to decide the senate, it's suburban voters, middle class voters in wisconsin and pennsylvania. if your job -- you know, if you have not gotten a raise over the last year or you've only gotten a small raise, and yet your gas bill and grocery bill are higher, and you want to go on vacation this year, and it's way more expensive, and then you get there and everything is kind of a pain because the staffing is off -- people have not gotten the wonky covid economy back to normal yet. and there are less chips in the bag. it's these first world problems but they feel annoying. and it's all right in your face, in a way that some of the good economic indicators that you were talking about are not.
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the unemployment rate is not right in your face. and so biden and the democrats need to talk to that voter and say to them, here is what we are trying to do to make your life better and make your life easier, while the republicans worry about relitigating the 2020 election and are talking about the penguin book and the groomer teacher in your school. that is what they care about. they don't want to help your life. we are trying to help your life. we understand it is a bit annoying and that things are going in the right direction. it's not a great political case, honestly, because you cannot put it on a bumper sticker. but it's the best they can do and they have to start doing it aggressively and make this a choice election. >> the thing is, people often vote, especially when it comes to economic issues, on nothing related to that -- data they vote based on how they feel about the economy. joyce, you are in alabama. i bring it back to alabama. tell me about how people there feel. what is it like there? >> people are focused on the price they are paying at the pump, stephanie. and there is a disconnect between that higher price and
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people you might feel supportive of for instance, supportive of president biden's efforts in ukraine. there's a lot of support for ukraine and what's going on in that country down here. but not many people appreciate that that higher price they are paying at the pump is directly related. so, if there is something predictive for the biden administration that comes out of this disconnect, down here, it's that need to do a better and more persistent job of storytelling. you have to do the thing and then you have to tell people that you are doing the thing. and you have to tell them over and over until they understand. right now, people just know that they are putting a lot of money at the pumps. and that it's more expensive to drive to the beach. and it's more difficult to do things that you want to do with your family this summer. if they're going to not hold that against the biden administration, they're going to have to have a better sense of why that is. and to tim's point, it does need to fit on a bumper sticker. because that is about our attention span on these political issues. we need that sort of slogan
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slogan nearing at this point, to help people appreciate why the inflation is happening. >> do we have no memories, jonathan? do we have the bumper sticker, remember covid? we shut down. we were in an economic disaster two years ago. >> yeah. we have no attention span. >> or a memory -- >> we go from moment to moment. or memory, yeah. i love tim's characterization, that this is -- >> the annoying economy! >> the annoying economy, yes. joyce's point about storytelling -- i think she is right. they have to get out there, they have to keep telling the story. i think there are two big problems, though. one is you have an entire right-wing apparatus that does nothing but distort what the white house is doing, and lies about what the white house is doing. if they cover it at all, that
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is. and you have a big chunk of the country that watches another network. and it is the largest and biggest audiences in the country. a big chunk of the country never gets to hear the story. i think another problem is, as much as -- important as it is for the president at the white house to keep telling the story, they are being covered by a press core that gets board with that story the moment they have heard the third time. and that is an issue. >> well, perhaps the president should sit down for some more interviews and the press would be paying attention. they don't like to hear from spokespeople. - jonathan capehart, joyce vance, tim miller, i had an absolutely wonderful time with you. you can catch jonathan on the sunday show this weekend. i've a feeling he may called him, because like me, you love that annoying economy analogy. coming up, a much darker story.
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100 days of war. we will hear from three extraordinary women journalists who were reporting on russians rushes invasion in ukraine. where they stand tonight and the challenges that are still ahead -- that's when the 11th hour continues.
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>> exactly 100 days ago today, russia launched its unprovoked and unwarranted invasion of ukraine, despite early predictions that russia would
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overtake the capital city of kyiv in a matter of days, its forces have only managed to hold territories in east and the south. but ukraine has faced enormous losses, with thousands of civilians killed, and millions fleeing the country as refugees. with us now to discuss, nbc news foreign correspondent molly hunter from kyiv. she's been reporting from ukraine throughout the war. sabrina tavernise, a co-host of the new york times podcast, the daily. she reported from ukraine at the start of the war. she previously served as a new york times reporter in moscow. and hind hassan, vice news correspondent who has been reporting in ukraine and overseas, since the start of the year. thank you all for being here. molly, i start with you. you are in kyiv right now, as we mark this 100 day point, where do things stand? >> hey, steph. and thanks so much for doing this, and especially, really excited to be having this conversation with doing that i admire so much, and their work has been such an incredible contribution to this story. where do we stand right now? i cannot believe that we have hit 100 days.
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so i'm back in kyiv. i just returned from the country after a brief break. and we have gone out, steph, to the suburbs around kyiv, to bucha, to borodyanka. i arrived in those suburbs, pretty much a couple of days after russian forces withdrew. so in early april. and then, we spent several weeks there reporting on the war crimes, reporting on the people who are coming out from their basements after not seeing anyone for the last five weeks. so we spent a lot of time there. and now, to go back, it is an entirely different reality. you have clean streets. you have people returning, trying to return to normal. one of the most striking images, steph, was in bucha. the last time i was in bucha behind the church, where one of the sites of the biggest mass graves, investigators we're exhuming bodies there. it was a driving rain. it was incredibly grim, depressing, to be part of, to be there. now, the mass grave's completely empty. those bodies have been put in the local cemetery. it is flattened. there is green grass growing. and it's an incredibly, jarring contrast from just six weeks ago.
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so, this is the reality around kyiv, around the city's de-occupied suburbs. the war, though, is raging on in the east, in the donbas. and this is what we've been focusing on, even from kyiv, as we are looking at the towns of sievierodonetsk. we're looking at these pockets of the donbas, that ukrainian military are not holding on to in the way that they want. i actually asked the u.s. ambassador, brigitte brink, the u.s. ambassador, is back as of this week. she presented her credentials to president zelenskyy, and i asked her, is ukraine winning? and she wouldn't answer. she gave a historical look at the last hundred days. she, you know, lauded the ukrainian military's fighting spirit, especially at the beginning of the war, something all of us who are here at the beginning of the war witnessed when much of the world was surprised. but she wouldn't answer right now, whether or not ukraine was winning, and certainly, what we're watching in the donbas that russia's military strategy is working right there. >> let's go to the beginning of the war. hind, you were on the frontlines when invasion began.
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tell us about these early days. >> actually, we were on the front line before the invasion began. so we went to luhansk, and some regions in the east. a lot of the regions that are currently under severe attack. we went there, spent time with some of the ukrainian soldiers who were fighting russian-backed separatists. on the other side. and they were telling us how they were preparing the fact that they've been fighting this war for the past eight years, and that they were also fighting this war against russian-backed separatists, but they're also preparing for the possibility of a full scale invasion. and whilst we were there, in january, we also passed through kharkiv, and we spent some time there, which is, if you've been following the war, you will have russia's second largest city. it's very close to -- russian-speaking city that has a lot of close ties. people who live in kharkiv often go and work across the border. they have family there.
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and we spent some time there in january, and it's kind of like the opposite of what molly said now, so we were there when the city was vibrant, and there were restaurants and cafés, and it was a great city. so we saw it in the opposite direction. we were there when it was peaceful and quiet and beautiful. and then, we returned in march. and it was just a completely different place. sadly, at that point, the war and what the war had done, so when we returned, we saw entire streets that were completely destroyed, residential areas, and buildings that have been hit by missiles. half of the city had left, it was like a ghost town, and the people who did stay moved to underground. and there were also those who chose to stay, like the medical workers, the emergency workers,
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and the volunteers that were there. and we had really, really heartbreaking stories, painful stories, we spent a lot of time with emergency workers who were pulling the bodies of victims from under the rubble. and we were with them, actually, at one point when they pulled out the body of a 73 year old grandmother, who had been stuck inside the rubble of her home that had been destroyed. and actually, even today, i read that there are bodies of victims that are still being pulled out from the rubble in kharkiv. and the entire city was like a front line, because you couldn't escape, you just didn't know where the missiles would hit. we went out one evening, when three huge missiles completely destroyed a building that was ten seconds away from our hotel, from the entire ground, the hotel shook, and windows came in, and at a different time, we were also in a morgue. the morgue was either flown with bodies. you don't have enough room inside. they were being kept inside and
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outside makeshift tents. and as we were there, even the dead and the victims couldn't escape the battle that was still taking place. and the entire ground shook. and we had a huge missile nearby, where we all went to safety. and then it exploded soon after, and found that the missile had struck a building that wasn't too far away. the same emergency workers, that we had spent time with, they were there again, working to get bodies out, and working night and day to try and help people. i've been speaking to people in kharkiv, those that we worked with, some of the people that we kept in contact with, and also following the reports. and we now hear that there are people returning to the city, we're learning now. and there are people who are trying to rebuild their lives, who have left the bunkers from underground. but there is still fighting on the outskirts. there are still areas that are being attacked.
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there is still shelling. there is still missile attacks in the region because of course, it's just so close to the russian border, and it is in the east, and it is a very strategic area, and it is not too far from where the fighting is taking place right now. >> sabrina, you lived in russia. you speak the language. you know the culture. the relationship between russia and ukraine has always been complicated. but how do you get from complicated to war? >> yeah, you know, it's a question that we were all asking ourselves. and, you know, most of my, in fact all of my russian friends said, this will never happen. there is no way this could ever happen. it's such a radical thing for russia to invade ukraine. and, you know, i think that a lot of us -- thought we knew what putin would do, and thought we could
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guess what would happen. we were wrong. he did. you know, i think that's in a lot of ways, this is putin kind of re-litigating and kind of re-imagining the end of the soviet union, right? that this was, that ukraine was ours. that ukraine is a place that is, should be subject to us. and we will make it so. and we will do this war, so that, you know, we can have our old empire back, so we could have our old sense of feeling powerful in the world back. and you know, that's something that i think a lot of us just didn't think he would actually, actually do, because you know, a lot of russians have relatives in ukraine. there's so many family ties. there's so many connections that it just seemed inconceivable to people who knew russia well, that he would do this. and then he did. >> yet, 100 days in, this is our reality. molly, sabrina and hind have agreed to stay with us, so we'll be back in just two minutes. coming up, the challenges these three extraordinary women have faced, as they were reporting
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from a war zone, when the 11th hour continues.
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ask your doctor about once-weekly trulicity. in ukraine, dozens of female
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journalists have been risking their lives on the ground for months. they were report ding directly from the front lines, documented destruction and telling harrowing stories of refugees in desperate search for safety. still with us -- molly, and sabrina -- does gender make a difference
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when you report from a war zone? could some soldiers be reluctant to take it to the front lines? >> yes. i think gender does make a difference. but i think not in that way, necessarily. i was lucky enough, in my first big tour here, to have a mostly female team. i had a female producer, a female local producer. and we had a lovely photographer with us as well. and that makes a difference. when you show up to talk to someone with three women, that so it's a very different tone. you notice different things. you talk and interact in a different way with women. the story, steph, that we really wanted to tell in and around bucha when the war crime started to become a parent, when people started talking about the bodies that were -- that had their hands tied, bodies that had bullets shot in them. the story that we really zeroed in on was sexual violence, and rape. rape is a war crime and something that a lot of people were not talking about at the
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beginning. we knew that it was happening. and i think it is something that we were able to -- we interviewed a survivor, a woman named elaine, and we had this team of three women, and we spent five days with, her and spent time with her before ever turning on a camera. that makes a difference. >> sabrina tavernise, you've spent a lot of time speaking to and working with refugees. not just in ukraine but covering other wars, in iraq, for example. what stands out to you about this refugee experience? several weeks ago, i was at the poland and ukraine border at a refugee camp. and people often think, oh, when you crossed the border, you are in good shape, you will be safe. but the desperation was real. and all people i met wanted was to go back home. >> yes, that's definitely true. i spent a lot of time in train stations in places where there were a lot of refugees gathered. and i think back to the
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question of women and why it is important to have women reporters -- and why it is important to focus on women when you are trying to tell stories -- it's that women fundamentally are the ones, often, who are the caretakers and the people who have responsibility for the bodies of their children. and there were so many women that i talk to who said, i didn't want to leave, i would not have left. but i had to be responsible for my daughter. and for that reason i could not stay in kharkiv. i had to take the chance to take this trip. but it is like, well, my head is here trying to be safe in the train station. but my heart is still there. they were very, very resolute that this was not something that they thought was permanent. it was not something that they were going to leave and then come back when everything was over. it is sadly, a theme, i, think in a lot of conflict zones.
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when you are a refugee you often don't think it is just for a week. and then suddenly, a child starting school somewhere else. but i think it is very, very -- i think women have often had the stories of the war. that was the case in iraq as well. i think as women we all know, you have got to go into peoples kitchens. you have to go into places where women would talk to you about who was killed in their neighborhood last night. like, how do you enter the room of a family as a man and talk to women? in iraq, it is very difficult. i think we have advantages -- as molly said, in some ways, you would not expect. >> i want to know with this is like for you, hind. you have gone from ukraine to the west bank. how do challenges change with these different assignments? when you are an aspiring journalist, did you say war correspondent, that's what i want to do? >> no, i did not.
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i wanted to tell the stories of people who have been through difficult times and through struggles. as somebody who is from iraq and who has family there -- and actually, i agree with my two colleagues there. as women, we can end up in situations where we are able to tell those human stories incredibly effectively. i remember a colleague, many years ago, saying to me that doing refugee stories are doing stories refugee stories from refugee camps, those are the soft stories. and others are the hard stories. they referred to, specifically -- they said, oh, i don't mind, you people with less experience doing the soft stories. they are not soft stories. these are hard, painful, harrowing stories that need to be told. and -- as journalists, a lot of the reasons why we do this is that we can tell those stories. and the way that that has
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change now, the way war reporting has changed now, is that there are more women. more people from different backgrounds and different class backgrounds. that contributes to an ability to empathize, and an ability to get into spaces we have not been able to get to before. and we can tell those important stories. >> and we are also grateful that you are all telling these really important and difficult stories. appreciate and admire you all. molly hunter and hind hassan and sabrina tavernise. thank you all. from those amazing women to another, the high drama lightning round in this year's national spelling bee. we will tell you how many words they champ spelled in 90 seconds when the 11th hour comes back.
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>> the last thing before we go tonight -- the queen bee. scripps spelling bee champion 14-year-old harini logan had plenty of challenges on her way to victory last night. she was eliminated in the vocabulary round, but then re-instated afterwards. that was high drama. then, she and a fellow finalist vikram raju, both struggled in the last round. they both missed four of scripps'most challenging words. that left them tied, and headed into the bee's first ever lightning round. just watch this. >> your first word is spealbone. >> s-p-e-a-l-b-o-n-e.
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>> phreatophyte. >> p-h-r-e-a-t-o-p-h-y-t-e. >> gaydiang. >> g-a-y-d-i-a-n-g. >> nandubay. >> n-a-n-d-u-b-a-y. >> moorhen. >> m-o-o-r-h-e-n. --
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[applause] >> moorhen. >> m-o-o-r-h-e-n. -- [applause] >> i couldn't spell two of those words in 20 minutes. but that was 22 words in 90 seconds, seven more than the runner up spelled, which is amazing. harini told the ap that the idea of a lightning round made her nervous. she said, when i got introduced last year, i was a bit terrified, to be honest. i go slow. that's my thing. i do not do whatever in that setting. we just saw how she fared. and there is a new queen in town.
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so beyoncé better move over. on that note, i wish you all are very good night. and a safe weekend. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with us all week long. i'll see you on monday. ♪ ♪ ♪ [interpreter] [interpreter i thought it was not for the faint of heart. >> you didn't wear a versace dress if you didn't want to be seen. >> gianni versace was a true original, life always came with fireworks. >> i don't think there was a model that wasn't involved with him. >> he was on top of a mountain. >> andrew cunanan lusted for a taste of that world, versace seemed to personify a lot that he wanted to be. >> he always had a big want, oh, i want that, i would like that -- >> what was he willing to do to get it? >> he looked


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