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our latest reporting on what's in, what's out, and the timeline of what votes, if any, could happen. and the house january 6th committee gears up for the most consequential week of its investigation, holding the first public hearing in primetime, in front of a country with a growing divide over who is to blame for the deadly riot. one member giving us a preview of what to expect. talking about new evidence and the conspiracy and "premeditated activity before the riots." plus, the news coming in about the world leader in imminent danger of losing his job. what we know about the no-confidence votes around the uk prime minister boris johnson. good afternoon. i'm chris jansing in new york in for hallie jackson. joining me now is josh letterman by the white house. liz mclaughlin is in uvalde,
texas. and john is with us, as well. so allie, we just learned about this meeting between senators involved in the talks. what are they talking about? what more can you tell us? >> yeah, look, this is a continuation of the meetings they have been having. there's a larger group of bipartisan senators. in this case, we're talking about the smaller group that includes democrats chris murphy and kyrsten sinema. john cornyn deputized in many ways by mitch mcconnell to lead the republican effort on these bipartisan talks. and our colleagues caught up with senator murphy just a few minutes ago. i was struck by the tone of his optimism in those conversations. he said that they could theoretically have something to present to their caucuses at some point this week, and he hopes to have something to present by the end of the week. clearly details still being cobbled together. but we know that the same conversation points are still very much on the table.
we're talking about things like mental health and school safety, as well as background checks and red flag laws. one of if things we have noticed over the course of the last few weeks and we hear this often from republicans, is the focus after mass shootings on things like school safety andmental health. one colleague asked about that republican focus and whether or not that gave you cause on other things that could be on the table. effectively what he said is all things connect back to mental health. things like background checks and red flag laws all connect to mental health. so putting them under that up brela, which to me says republicans can say whatever they say, as long as they cobble together a bipartisan deal and get the vote needed to pass the senate. again, they're looking for ten republican votes here. but really, it's more than that, because the more republicans that they can get on board here, the more politically inoculated those republicans can be for
going out and supporting an action on gun violence prevention. of course, these conversations are still very much alive, as senators are now back in the building and were able to ask them about the efforts they've been undertaking over the course of the last week and a half or so? >> then you have 21 house democrats over the weekend writing a letter to leadership, asking them to "bring each individual bill forward for a stand alone vote on the house floor in order to get a broader bipartisan support for their gun reform package." what do you see the pros and cons of doing that before the bill heads to the senate? >> well, a number of these bills, there is a package that is eight bills in total on the house side. some of them are not going to pass the senate at all. for instance, raising the age for buying a semiautomatic rifle from 18 to 21, that's not going to pass the senate.
what they want to do is put the house on record as saying the majority of congress, the majority of the house at least supports these proposals, this is what the american public, if you poll on these issues, the american public supports a lot of these measures. they want to say we're on the side of the american public. congress is ready to move. the senate just needs to act on this. but, again, as allie laid out, you're only going to have a deal in the senate if there is 75, 80 senators. that's the only way there's going to be a deal. it's not going to be 60 votes. it's going to be 75 or 80. a majority of republicans will have to support whatever proposal that cornyn and murphy are able to come together on. and then the house, you know, the house passed a background check bill. the house could possibly have -- we'll have a hearing, a vote on an assault weapons ban.
that's a possibility. the house could have that vote. they could possibly even vote on that and approve that. but the senate is where the -- where, because of the rules of the senate, the filibuster, they have to get the deal. so that's where all the real important action is. >> so liz, anger over the shooting in uvalde has turned into the call for action and some lawsuits. take us through where you are. >> i just got off the phone with shawn brown, who is an attorney representing a survivor's mother carina macho, and her son, a 9-year-old was inside the clams when this massacre took place. he was injured with bullet shrapnel and saw his teacher got shot. he provided these disturbing details. one was that the shooter came in and he was going back and forth between the rooms. he came in and said, does anyone need help?
when one child stood up, that child was shot. this lawyer is seeking information from the uvalde city police and the uvalde school district police over the police response to get more information. they haven't responded to this lawyer yet, but the goal is to pursue civil lawsuits against those entities because of their sponsor lack of response over an hour went by before police finally confronted that gunman. and that's in addition to a couple of potential lawsuits we have seen the beginning of investigations to get more information, precursors to lawsuits against a georgia based private gun manufacturer who made the weapons used in this school weapon. today, right now, this homeland security scretary is here in town. he laid flowers at the robb elementary school and spoke with senator gutierrez. i was able to catch up with that senator and get his reaction to these lawsuits.
let's listen. >> bring them on. i hope each and every one of these families hires a lawyer or lawyers. i understand that one of the firms is the firm that did the sandy hook. -- settlement. i hope they come down and do everything they can. >> reporter: he was referring to that landmark settlement, $73 million against remington, the weapon use in that sandy hook massacre. those lawyers will represent the parents of one of the vims here. >> thank you for that. josh, this is a midterm year. you can't walk away from the politics of this. the president is somebody who has been pushing for gun reform for a very long time. he doesn't have a tremendous amount of political capital right now. but what are you hearing from the white house, what more is he prepared to do, and how important is it politically that
something gets done? >> chris, this is one of those issue where is the white house is not convinced that the harder joe biden pushes, the better. white house officials believe, correctly or incorrectly, if biden gets directly involved in these negotiations, it makes it less likely, not more likely, that something gets done. and they also, i think, there is a realization that it would be very difficult if joe biden started going out and making demands from republicans five months before an election, that republicans would appear like they are giving a concession to the democratic president ahead of the election. chris murphy seems to agree with this hands off strategy, saying over the weekend, this is an agreement that congress needs to write, not the president. and so you saw the president last week as he laid out a lot of things he would like to see. but frankly, there's a real
realization if and when there is a compromise to be struck here, it is going to be far short of that, you know, laundry list of things that he and activists would like to see. the white house fully prepared to take something that might be short of the ideal goal of gun violence activists. i think that is one reason you're not likely to see joe biden talk a whole lot publicly about it this week, as he tries to give a room to those delicate negotiations in congress to potentially succeed, chris. >> thank you all. we've got some other breaking news from capitol hill right now. the january 6th committee, the house committee, has just announced the date for its second public hearing. it will be next monday morning, 10:00 a.m. eastern. the committy will have its first primetime hearing this thursday.
one committee member giving us a preview today. >> we are going to tell the story of a conspiracy to overturn the 2020 presidential election, and block the transfer of power. president trump and the white house were at the center of these events. that's the only way of making sense of them all. >> i'm joined now by nbc news political reporters. so what more do we know about this thursday and now next monday's hearing? tell us what you've been hearing from your sources, what do we expect? >> reporter: having just a little bit of trouble hearing you. the first hearing is going to be this thursday, as we know at 8:00 p.m. eastern. the second hearing, which was just announced moments ago, is going to be on monday at 10:00 a.m. that one is not primetime. these will be two of at least six hearings that the committee is planning to hold about its findings regarding january 6th.
what is the committee trying to do? they are efforting a coordinated broad view of what they believe was a conspiracy to steal an election. they're going to counter the notion this was a rag tag group of protestors that got out of hand. and they have a couple of challenges here. firstly on public opinion, which i'm sure mark can talk a little bit more about. but from my conversations, my sense, they are trying to reach two types of americans here. the first, the american sympathetic for their argument but for whom january 6th may be a distant memory. the second is, the type of american who is open minded but maybe doesn't know enough about the events of january 6th, how the violence was all connected to this larger attempt, that included involvement in the former president to overturn the election. and the committee is looking for
action, as well. there will be legislative recommendations that the committee hopes to put out. in terms of how congress can tighten up these loopholes and prevent future candidates or future candidates of exploiting these loopholes for stealing an election. those talks have been going on, but it's not clear where things are. the hope is that this will kickstart that conversation and lead to some results this year, chris. >> you may not have heard my question, but you answered it. thank you for that. so mark, you point out in first read this morning that our new poll finds democrats have quite a challenge as they try to make their case. tell us about it. >> the challenge for democrats is that time has been on donald trump's side. and our polling ends up finding that just 45% of americans hold donald trump either solely or mainly responsible for the events and the riots on january 6th, 2021. that's a seven-point decline from when we asked this just
right after the attacks in january of 2021, when 52% said that donald trump was solely or mainly responsible. and so there is this kind of challenge that democrats have not really been able to put january 6th in the limelight so much has occurred behind the scenes, at least for the last several months. and this is their opportunity to put it back front and center and try to captivate the american public's attention on this. >> republicans are gearing up for battle. elise stefanik says they have their response ready to go. >> we will be setting the record straight and sharing the facts and also really pointing out how unprecedented and unconstitutional and illegitimate this committee is. >> there's a lot of misstatements in there, mark, but they have booked a lot of media appearances. given how entrenched both sides
are in their positions on the january 6th attack, what are the chances these hearings do much to move the needle during the midterm? what are you hearing on both sides? >> yeah, chris, if the needle is going to be moved, it's going to be with the middle of the electorate. it was interesting in our polling, we ended up having 41% of political independents saying that donald trump was mainly or solely responsible for what occurred on january 6th. and so for democrats to be able to make this a majority winning issue for them, they need to make sure that they have a majority of political independents on their side. and i'm pretty convinced, chris, that given all the issues we're talking about, whether it's inflation, gas prices, gun violence in the country, what happened on january 6th will be front and center for a lot of voter's minds. but for democrats to score political points, they have to have the middle of the electorate come with them. right now they are not there.
it will be interesting to see if they are after these hearings. >> from what you're hearing, elise staffanik, pretty out there in talking about how organized and determined they are, how much they're going to be out there to essentially counterprogram to the extent that they can, these hearings. which they don't believe are legitimate. what are you hearing from the republican side of the aisle? and are a lot of folks just given that the audience may be indeed the people around the middle are going to stay out of the fray? are the people who are going to be out there on public media on the republican side mostly to the far right? what are you hearing? >> it's a combination of things, chris. there will be republican counterprogramming on the lines of what we have heard from many republicans, including allies of former president trump, that include essentially the entire house republican leadership to try to undermine the work of this committee. they're going to argue that it's a partisan committee that all
the members were chosen by speaker pelosi that she vetoed a couple of kevin mccarthy's picks. and of course, the democrats are going to point out there are two republicans ohhen that panel. liz cheney and adam kinzinger. they were in good standing until they voted to impeach former president trump. the question for republicans, of course they're going to be trying to reach and reinforce the opinions of maybe a third of the country who are firmly in donald trump's corner. they are not persuadable. the committee has low expectations for trying to reach that set of people. there are a lot of others in the middle who are either open minded and can be persuaded by the committee's argument or are sympathetic to it. but don't understand all the ways that these are connected from the pressure that then president trump put on the justice department, on state officials, election officials to discount pro biden electoral votes, to the violence on
january 6th. so the committee believes there's an opening here. but it's not going to be quite like watergate, where you had someone like howard baker who was in good standing with his party, stand up to the president, and go on to thrive within those ranks. that sun likely to happen, as evidenced by the fact that liz cheney was pushed out of leadership, and replaced by elise stefanik. >> thanks to both of you. still ahead, how europe is reacting to vladamir putin's new warning to the west as russia attacks kyiv. and the latest on the record setting gas prices. and when experts say the national average could hit $6 a gallon. and why democrats are getting nervous about the midterm race that could decide control of the senate. what we know about john fetterman's health scare and how his story has changed. his story has changed. can dy improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain,
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from now to those three weeks and we'll have to see what happens once the ukrainians get those rockets. >> threats made by vladamir putin, are they greeting those threats with a shrug, with concern, what would you say? >> reporter: they're certainly concerned about them, especially given that they hit kyiv yesterday as well, right after he had made those threats. it's been over a month since they hit kyiv and then they sent a message out here. you talked to ukrainians. they say look, we're pretty sure once those rockets come onto the battlefield, the russians are going to want to make a point. they're going to want to hit areas they haven't hit before. that's something vladamir putin warned he would do. given the strikes yesterday, it's likely kyiv would bear the brunt of some of those hits in the very least. so they also think that if the donbas area was to go into russian control, then a lot larger swath of this target would be targeted by the russians. but i have to tell you, chris,
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>> reporter: it is notable, chris, the biden administration several months ago announced they would relieve a million barrels per day from the strategic petroleum reserve. that in addition that opec has agreed to up its production levels to about 650,000 more barrels per day across that group in july and then again in august, hopefully that will help. experts right now feel that may not make a dent with all of this russian supply globally coming off the market. there's a lot of factors driving prices up, in addition to the fact that people are driving more in the united states. in china certainly, as covid lockdowns ease, it's making for a perfect storm. >> sam brock in miami, thank you. in one of the more closely watched midterm senate races, pennsylvania democrat john fetterman now says he almost died after suffering a stroke. he also admits he ignored his doctor's advice for years. the revelation and changing
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it's coming in circles at this point. the initial impression being a minor bump on the road turned out to be much more than that. so they have not really drilled down on this. but it's something that you could see looming in the background. the impact is, mehmet oz is now the clear-cut republican nominee and can begin his general election campaign. and john fetterman, to this point, is not able to resume his campaign. >> so john fetterman's cardiologist put out a statement, and here's part of what it says. the prognosis i can give for john's heart is this -- if he takes his medication, eats healthy and exercises, he'll be fine. but have we seen john fetterman, i mean, as you point out, one of the appeals for a lot of people of fetterman is he's a straight talker, he says he's open, he is a straight talker. where is he when are we going to hear more from him? >> yeah, we don't know. and the same release that sent out that doctor's statement, fetterman says, i need more
time. i'm not there yet, and did not put a timeline on when he would be ready to get back on the campaign trail. obviously, he's dealing with a very sensitive and potentially serious health concern. but there is a question of when we will see him. so far what we have seen from him are very short snippets of him in videos off alongside his wife. so it's unclear when he will be able to go out and do full-fledged campaign events. the pennsylvania voters have just been through a brutal primary. so i don't know that it matters that much, but the longer it goes on without people seeing him in person, you wonder if that has an effect on the campaign and if that will make democrats nervous. this is going to make a close race no matter what. >> so understanding that this is a wild card, we don't know when we're going to see john fetterman again, and everybody hopes he has a full recovery. but that aside, what are you
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fetterman's image has not been subject to scrutiny and will attempt to shine light on that. so the way their images stand up is going to be something that we watch play out over the coming months. >> and it's going to be fascinating to watch. john, thank you so much. and up next, we have an update just in from philadelphia. we are waiting for police to give us an update, a press conference ready to go. they now say they have a person of interest in custody in this weekend's mass shooting. what we know, next. she's in prague between the ideal cup of coffee and a truly impressive synthesizer collection. and you can find her right now (lepsi?) on upwork.com (lepsi.) when the world is your workforce, finding the perfect project manager, designer, developer, or whomever you may need... tends to fall right into place. find top-rated talent who can start today on upwork.com hey businesses! who can start today you all deserve something epic! so we're giving every business,
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we know the police will have a little briefing shortly. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. a major development in a mace that so many people have been following after 14 people were shot along south street, one of the most iconic areas in philadelphia here on saturday night. as you mentioned, police, philadelphia police, confirming to us that they have a person of interest in custody, and it does appear we'll get more information when that person is formally charged. our nbc local affiliate saying they learned from law enforcement sources this is an 18-year-old man. earlier today, the district attorney said that he expects that charges will be approved for at least two people in connection to the mass shooting on saturday. again, they believe that this all started from a physical altercation, a fight between two men on south street saturday night. it escalated and there was an exchange of gunfire. but they have not said how many gunman were involved. the latest update from the d.a.
indicate there is were -- they believe at least four guns were used in the shooting. 14 people shot, three of those people killed. a lot of the people impacted in this, keep in mind, are innocent bystanders. nbc news, our colleague, gabe gutierrez spoke to one man who was in a bar just down the street over my shoulder when he heard some kind of commotion. he stepped outside to see what was going on. he thought it was fireworked. looked down at his leg and saw that it was bleeding. just a terrifying situation. hundreds of people, this whole street looked like a sea of people. south street is this iconic area of philadelphia. sit a major magnet for both locals and tourists. it's within walking distance of independence hall. so the shootings here is a top concern for many officials. >> emily, thank you for keeping us posted. next, more breaking news from across the pond. the votes are in.
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now to the new chapter in elon musk's on again, off again to buy twitter. today, he is threatening to scrap the $44 billion takeover, unless twitter provides more information about bank accounts. it's just the latest back and forth ever since the deal was announced in april. one day, musk announcing the deal was on hold. another pushing for a lower price. another threatening to walk away. i'm joined now by "new york times" tech correspondent mike isaac. hey there, mike. of course, this isn't the first time elon musk has raised issues with bank accounts. but this time he writes "the letter presents a new legal argument for pulling out of the deal, opening a new front in the increasingly bitter back and forth." so what in the world is going on? >> it's a great question. i think the way to look at all of this is really an ongoing
negotiation process, rather than one day it's on, then the next day it's off. just to remember, elon musk did sign a contract to pay $54.20 per share to buy this company, but now the market has turned. that price looks much higher in retrospect and he's basically trying to back out of paying at least that much money and just legal argument he's presenting is essentially saying twitter hasn't given me enough information on their bot issue and that should nullify the contract. >> so if you have twitter stock, first of all, give us a reminder of how it's held up since musk announced the deal and what does this all mean? is it now kind of baked in that they'll have this sort of ongoing public negotiation? >> yeah. i mean, if you have a twitter stock you're a roller coaster. right now it's sort of a different day.
after elon did the filing the stock tanked. it's sort of back and forth. the thing that's keeping this stock afloat even though it's been hammered is the fact that this deal is ostensibly still on. i think the real worry for shareholders just in terms of share prices if this falls apart, can the stock recover or is it just going to plummet and i think that's a real risk. >> so walk us through a time line, if he does back out. is there a time that he thz to do it by? >> sure. so right now they are technically in the closing process, but i think the real question is is twitter going to take elon to court because if he decides not to comply with the terms of the agreement that he signed twitter can say he's in breach of contract and we need to go to court in delaware to enforce that and then it's up to a judge to sort of determine whether or not elon has a case or not. so this could just be getting started, honestly. >> oh, my gosh.
what can that look like? that seems like if it escalates to that, it could be very nasty. >> it is the wildest deal i've ever reported on honestly, absolutely, just strap in. get ready for the wild ride. mike isaac, i know you will. thank you so much for that update. we appreciate it. speaking of wild rides, we're waiting for the results, yes, boris johnson, it could be announced in just a matter of minutes the result of that private vote. it just wrapped up in uk's parliament on whether to kick out prime minister johnson. a growing number of members of his own party have turned against him mainly over partygate. that's when johnson had, let's call them socia events during uk lockdown, in a time when brits couldn't say good-bye to their loved ones during lockdown, all of this as the p.m. is facing a crushingly low approval rating and 65% of brits
disapprove of the job he's doing and that's the latest poll. megan fitzgerald in london. are we thinking this could happen as soon as the top of the hour and what else can you tell us about what can be next? >> chris, we are expecting that at the top of the next hour. we know that they're in and they should be announced here shortly, but this has driven a rift between boris johnson and members of his own party and that's something that's very difficult to recover from even if he remains in power. we're talking as you mentioned more than 65% of the people of this country that disapprove of the job that he's doing. i'm not sure if you can hear behind me here, but these protesters here that are calling for his removal. take a look at friday, for example. we saw boris johnson attending the queen's service of thanksgiving at the st. paul cathedral and he was greeted by boos. this was an affront. the people of this country who culturally speaking, abide by
the rules. of course, we did see some pushback during those strict covid restrictions, but across the board, this is seen as a slap in the face to the brits. their leader, the very person who put those strict rules in place was fined for breaking them, chris. >> even if prime minister johnson doesn't get voted out. history tells us that pms in his position don't either last long, they either resign and conservative party leaders still get removed even if they win a vote of no confidence. given boris johnson's personal history, is there anyone who thinks he won't fight this until the bitter end? >> well, so you know, allies of the prime minister believe that he will survive this, but in the event that he does not, the process is memberings of his own party, conservative members will then appoint his replacement, suspect that that would be another conservative, but it's not something that you'll see right away. so he will remain in power as that process plays out. we believe it could take a
couple of months, but again, in a matter of minutes now, they will decide if prime minister boris johnson remains in power. >> we have less than a minute and there's been speculation and headlines in the states about who might replace him. i assume it's the same across the pond where you are? >> yeah. absolutely. we know it's very likely that we will see another conservative put in power even though he is ousted. it's speculation as to who that would be, but like i said, this could potentially be a lengthy process. it could take weeks and it could be months to find out who the replacement will be and he will remain in power as that process plays out, chris. >> megan fitzgerald there to cover a vote that could be five minute away from being announced and thank you so much for being with us and thank you for watching this hour of msnbc. hallie jackson will be back tomorrow and catch me at 1:00
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