thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times. we're grateful, and i'm grateful to my friend john howlman for the hours last week. ari, you have had an incredible week. i'm sorry i wasn't here to see it. >> that's nice to say. we have been busy. i was going to say, shout-out to your guest host, but aen in news question, anything wonderful or great or anything that happened or any insights you drew from your time away from the newsroom. >> what i like leaving and remembering is we li in such an

accelerated psych and we're under all these pressures to come up with something new, and there's still a lag. there's still things sinking in outside in the real world. i always remember that whether i'm home sick or get to sneak away. >> so shout-out to reality. >> is that what it is? >> yeah, because this is only a version of it in a box. but great to have you back, nicole. >> thank you very much. >> absolutely. nice to catch up with nicole. as she mentioned, sometimes inside the news it does seem like it's going really fast. well, that's the actual case today. so welcome to "the beat." begins the congress building on the case that got a trump white house aide indicted friday. that's the news nicole was just referring to a liptically. there's also going to be the first primetime hearings andty january 6th this week, and they say there's sign of damning new evidence. >> the select committee has found evidence about a lot more than incitement here, and we are

going to be laying out the evidence about all of the actors who were pivotal to what took place on january 6th. the idea that all of this was just a rowdy demonstration that spontaneously got a little bit out of control is absurd. you don't almost knock over the u.s. government by accident. >> and congress' work on this matter, january 6th, will come down to the hearings. what are takeaways after interviews, highlights we'll play here, what do you take from some of the new or strong evidence that may emerge this week? and how will it be understood in a nation that's lived through so much lately and that watch a lot of hype around the mueller report to fizzle? congress tapped a veteran tv journalist to present a, quote, blockbuster investigative

special this week, and many networks are on track to carry the primetime hearing live, which means that tens of millions of americans will turn on the tv thursday night and find regular entertainment interrupted to get this government update on the failed coup to overthrow american democracy. so as nicole and i were just discussing and you and i if we're following the news, we have been going through this together. you might already know four trump facials already faced contempt in this investigation. as of friday, two of them were indicted. that itself may be news. that's the tip of the iceberg. the justice department answered questions we were exploring friday, which is the other two aides, who were held in contempt by congress will not be prosecuted based on the individual facts of their case. so they're off the hook. i've always told you in our reporting we track all of this. that's good news for meadows and

scovino. it means, the inference to be drawn is their cases were not strong enough that, they did not do bad enough defiance to merritt the extraordinarily rare step of being indicted for your dealings with congress. it's a whole other story for bannon and navarro. indicted friday. as he put it that way, well, he's the first aide from trump's white house on january 6th to be handcuffed and shackled -- his words. mr. navarro we're learning today is set to appear on tucker carlson's fox news show. it was still making news across the weekend. >> former adviser peter navarro is at this hour in federal custody and about to make a court appearance. >> i told them, go negotiate with donald john trump. >> trump adviser peter navarro lashing out after his arrest friday.

>> what did they do? they didn't call me. >> he got outlawyered my ari melber on national television, and we all saw it. >> that's punitive. what they did to me today violated the constitution. >> he is the definition of a person who messed around and found out. >> they put me in handcuffs and bring me here, they put me in leg irons, stick me in a cell. >> do you believe it was a conspiracy? >> i do. it is extremely broad, it's extremely well organized, it's really chilling. >> mr. navarro referencing the federal cell he was in. those cells might fill up further today. new charges against the proud boys militia in a widening conspiracy in a january 6th insurrection case. that is the exact group that then president trump then told stand by when there was talk about how he might handle a losing election outcome. mr. navarro objected to his treatment while arraigned on two

contempt felonies. let's be clear -- sedition is a far more serious charge. if it feels like we're getting to a more intense place as we go into the hearings, that's because we are. and if you know anything about attorney general garland, it is that he airs on the side of restraint. his career has been marked by a moderate nonpartisanship. that was why so many americans first learned about him when barack obama tried to pick him as someone who might win over republicans. well, he could have won over republicans in a different decade, but we all know mitch mcconnell wasn't interest in the a nonpartisan moderate. so when now as attorney general mr. garland and the last likely role of his career is bringing these kind of cases, it is only -- only because they have double checked everything and, and they believe they can win sedition cases against these people name which he could by donald trump himself to help out

in the event that democracy actually triumphs. this is one of the nights we want go to an expert and an expert alone, so we can get the benefit of all of his views. kneel katyal, the former solicitor general in the obama administration. he's been with many cases in the court as a msnbc analyst. it's a big night of legal news. thanks for being here tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> what stands out at important to you this week? >> this week, at this time big thing is of course the hearings beginning on thursday and the select committee of congress has a difficult task, because they have to compress thousand of hour of testimony and video footage into six hearings. i mean, it's like the biggest squeeze since they tried to get the presidents' daily intelligence briefing for trump down to a size trump could read in one sitting. it's a tough challenge.

and it's a tougher challenge because witnesses are refusing to come before the committee, so they have to tell the story without some of those witnesses. i mean, congress probably could have gotten more trump officials to testify if they swapped their constitutional subpoena power for the authority to grab book deals, like peter navarro, but they didn't do that. so as a result, they're going to tell the story with other witnesses. there will be a couple of key ones like judge michael ludix. >> neal, i don't want to make it about you, but we love legal neal, we love breaking news neal, but tonight when we get spicy neal, you know, with multiple evidence-based quips, we know it's a big week. >> i need that because evidently you're outlawyering peter navarro, so i'm the other side. >> you come in with everything.

we talk about the so-called highlights. i think this is important. you always endeavor to get fair legal analysis. the fair and true observation about many trump officials here is that they did quietly cooperate, and i want to be clear about that -- we don't know the full extent. we're not throwing them a party. you have an obligation to. . but it's certainly the case -- all the witness interviews are so far still private, confidential, until they're released by the committee william that in mind, people that might be objected to for many rnc, i want to show, ivanka trump and jared kushner did appear. i want to catch everyone up here. insiders think this could be gripping tv. kushner vol tiered, speaking to the committee for over six hours and was the first family member to do so. he wasn't president at the white house on january 6th. he was back from a trip to saudi arabia. ivanka, though, was in the room.

the committee sent her a letter in january discussing the conversation that she allegedly observed between trump and pence on that fateful day, as well as -- might be self-serving but it's also potential evidence -- the accounts she tried to get then-president trump to stop the violence. here's what liz cheney said about it at the time. >> we know as he was sitting there in the dining room next to the oval office, members of his staff were pleading with him to go on television to tell people to stop. we know members of his family, we have firsthand testimony that his daughter ivanka went in at least twice to ask him to stop the violence. >> she would testify for eight hours. here's how the committee chair put. >> i mean, you know, not -- not from a broad, chatty term, but she's answering questions. >> has she -- >> not that i'm aware of.

>> or any other privilege, executive privilege? >> not that i'm aware of. >> that's is summary, neal, it's a contrast to what we heard from mr. navarro thursday or truly outlandish claims by people who weren't in the white house like steve bannon just saying the words executive privilege. what do you see as the import in that. the? why are we hearing about that figuring into the big hearings? >> two things. first i take your point that stroufrm officials cooperated at least a little bit. but many have not. and we're talking about people who have been indicted. having worked on the government, i just can't understand how when congress asks for information about one of the most dangerous scary days in american history, that they can say, oh, no, i'm not going to bother providing that evidence, i'm not going to bother testifying. the fact that a few people of cooperated doesn't excuse the massive amount of blame on that administration. second, with respect to jared and ivanka, i think there will be some powerful visuals when

the committee plays some of that video. the and i don't think it will look good for any of them. indeed, jared and ivanka's video testimony may be the first time in recorded history that a trump has been upset about getting more screen time, but i think they will, and the reason is because they're in a bit of a bind. the more that he valorize their own actions, the worst donald trump is going look. >> let's get into that point. -- was going to march with them, which rile them up. he didn't because of his own security concerns reported by reuters and others. so duh. but walk us through why it's worse for trump that someone he would deem an insider, and an alley, a family member and an aide, would come and put him on

notice, affirmatively, this is bad coup violence, and after that marker, he doubled down, or didn't asking sk them to stop in any way. >> great question. the reason why i think it's so important is two things. one is the committee has testimony from general kellogg, pence's national security adviser, who testified ivanka was the one person on january 6th who went in to talk to trump, i think twice, in the testimony. we don't know exactly what was said. that's important for state of mind. was he warned? was he told, there's violence here, you should do x, y, and z, and did he blow it off? the other piece is there's an evidentiary question. there's hours of phone logs missing. we don't know who donald talks to. general kellogg testified he and

ivanka saw president trump pressuring vice president pence on the phone on january 6th to withdraw the election certification. that's key to if there was such a conspiracy or plot, so that's why it becomes legally and practically relevant. >> where does pence figure into all this? >> he figures hugely. i mean, there is -- the committee has revealed they have evidence that pence's top officials went to the secret service on january 5th and talked about the chance for violence. so it does seem there was federal awearsment about, the including the top levels of the white house, which doesn't surprise anyone. the georgia official on december 1st said, stop this. someone's going to get shot. someone's going to get killed. i live in washington, d.c. i think everyone who knew anything knew that there was a potential for violence, and what did donald trump do for those 181 minutes? nothing. that's the committee's challenge is how do you portray that

entire missing gap in our history. and they have an audience, of course, in the public right now, and they have an audience in the form of justice department. and merrick garland and his team are going to be watching. they also have an audience for history. history is watching what happens over the next month. i know we've gone through so many things -- school shootings and the like, and it's hard to draw our attention to something like this, but we've really got to, because what happened last year was a travesty, and the most fundamental betrayal of america. and so i do think the committee will tell that story, and it's going to be important for america's legacy. >> final question. i have about 45 seconds. what do you put as the context on all this? because people are understandably fatigued of these story lines, and people are living their lives. you know, we're coming out of a pandemic. inflation is terrible. it's eating up people's salaries. and yet there's an argument that sedition conspiracy and overthrowing the election is

actually legally worse than anything in the mueller report and anything that trump was really accused of prior. >> ari, this transcends inflation or even school shootings. this is the essence of who we are as a country -- peaceful transitions of power, about government being not about the individual politicians but on behalf of all of us. it's why people like my parents come to this country. it's why we celebrate the freedoms we have. and if you can allow an encumbent president to try to use the machinery and power of his office to file all these bogus lawsuits and incite an attack on the united states capitol, what can't you do? i mean, you know, we look positively russian at this point. it's ridiculous. >> neal katyal, kicking us off on the big night. thank you very much. coming up, there are new questions about the hearings and whether trump will actually be held responsible. are these hearings accuse him of crimes? we have a special breakout on

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covering these first big primetime hearings of the january 6th this week. did anything in this insurrection amount to donald trump committing a crime?

republican liz cheney got a lot of attention last year when she linked the specific charge revealing newly revealed evidence between trump and his chief of staff. >> mr. meadows' testimony will bear on another key question in this committee. did donald trump through action or inaction, corruptly seek to obstruction or impede congress' official proceedings to count electoral votes? >> congresswoman cheney there was not just free styling. she was referring to a statute that basically states, quote, whoever corruptly obstructions, influences or impedes an official proceeding -- faces a lot of prison time. the proceeding before congress is official, and this is not just coming down member of this committee where reasonable observers might say, okay, but the whole committee exists to do this and maybe they're erring on

a more aggressive reading of the facts. but put them to the side. just this march, an independent nonpartisan federal judge also raised the likelihood that trump committed a crime, writing that trump more likely than not attempted to obstruct that joint session of congress. it's a reference to the same kind of criminal disruption of the official proceeding that cheney was referring to. now, that case i'm quoting you from was about basically documents, and it does not mean anything about trump's legal liability, meaning it's not binding in that way. but the judge was writing that with a narrower assignment. but that nonpartisan reasoning can clearly apply for broadly. take the watergate reporters,

they have a -- the corruption is worse than nixon, that he became the most seditious president in our history. well, in an official proceeding is here, sedition is way up here out above the camera. the last person you want committing sedition against the country is the person with the nuclear codes, and bob woodward is one of the most serious nonpartisan journalists we have alive in america. so, will the committee get into this? we have a former prosecutor who has been a special counsel to these committees, john flannery, when we're back in 60 seconds. staying up half the night searching for savings on your prescriptions? just ask your cvs pharmacist. we search for savings for you. from coupons to lower costs options. plus, earn up to $50 extra bucks rewards

each year just for filling at cvs pharmacy. i'm joined by former federal prosecutor john flannery, not only someone beat viewers may recognize, but uniquely situated for this question. first of all, welcome back, sir. >> good to be with you.

>> good to have you. when you look at that ultimate question, there's going to be evidence presented, it's going to reach more americans -- we know all of that. by the end of the big round of hearings this month, do you think it is right and proper for the committee to take a position on whether or not trump should be charged or should there be a different avenue? >> no, i think it's right they should be asking, should he be charged? you have to question the restraint of a nation that we could be brought of the brink of destroying democracy with these people and five months have passed and they have had no reckoning. the key to a reckoning is that it's just like a child. if they do something wrong, there should be an immediate response. in this case it would be a process, a charge, and so forth. there would be grand jury questions, and that hasn't happened. and i think in the absence of that, this committee has a special obligation to follow wherever he go goes.

doesn't surprise me congressman raskin says, what we hear will blow the roof off the capitol. i think what he's talking about, you take butterfield who was testifying in the nixon case, and he came in and they were surprised he was talking about a tape recording system that led to the eight minute gap. now we have seven hours, eight hours and it's all during this period of time when the rioters are taking over or trying to take over the government? that's something that cannot let stand. no if we believe democracy, no if we believe no man or person is above the law, and the head of the snake, for the hypothesis of what we're looking at is no less than trump. he's the beneficiary. you cannot do this and ignore him and his role. >> right, and john, john, you remember learned hand. >> yes, absolutely. >> who famously said, there's a difference between a conspiracy and a dumpster fire.

i'm kidding. he didn't say that, but the point stands, which is a piece of chaos, a dumpster fire is different than something orchestrated. i thought it was striking jamie raskin seems to be doing toward this point. however terrible the dumpster fire might be and however terrible the politician who den fits from it. you indict someone for a dumpster fire that happened outside. the they didn't light the match and didn't tell anyone to, but it occurred at their rally. you don't. but boy, if they were on the phone about, yeah, get the militia with the gasoline and we'll get the other people -- yeah, have them meet there. i'll meet you there. you start to get into this question. here's jamie raskin. >> the committee has found evidence of concerted planning and premeditated activity. i think that donald trump and the white house were at the center of these events. that's the only way, really, of

making sense of them all. >> john? >> well, i like how he understates the most powerful statement, that is no adjectives or adverbs, just straight to the facts. i know one of the questions is, will we hear from trump at the hearings? we will. there are his statements seen on live television, we had him in georgia trying to derail the investigation. all that speaks to a man with intent. it's not a fire smoldered because someone didn't take care to keep the area safe. all started with rudy giuliani the night of the election saying to trump, four words, just say we won. and that's it. that's the whole conspiracy. and we have enormous evidence of this. to not look at it and not think

it matters is ridiculous. >> relatedly, i mentioned the only white house aide inside on january 6th to be indicted, peter navarro, objected to his treatment. tonight he will go back on tv, but he's going to a different venue, to fox news' tucker carlson. >> your reaction? >> my reaction is he finally figured out that he didn't do well when you asked him questions and he was forced to make admissions. and the strongest evidence in this case -- i guess it's a combination of hue bris and arrogance that trump will come become and pardon them for all the acts they're committing. i guess he figures he'll go to a friendly person who's going to help him, and they're going the use him. they're going to let him say stuff. all these people with disposable to trump. i hope the show they put on -- i don't know what it is. "good fellas" or "meets lonesome

dove" or some other story. people saw this the way we saw mueller. if you remember, there was an understated experience of what we expected from him. he said two things. one is, he said the obstruction stands. didn't say it as forcefully as i just have, but that's the way it was taken. second, he said in the middle of elections coming up, and this is pertinent because it has not gone away. this is not like that. this is a blockbuster because we'll have to we tails of thing we've seen publicly already. so we have a frak work to put this information on. >> just to button up, sometimes the article ends with the quote, sometimes it ends with the summary. i'm going attempt to sup rise counselor flannery. you think it's going to be more effective if they find a way to present to the american public the evidence trump committed a crime, if there is, and if they have a view that he did, they should state that view. we're hearing different things

out of washington, and i think anyone who's followed the democratic party in washington, sometimes you'll hear, you know, three views for one position sometimes, and i think it's interesting given you counselled the committees that you think that. because at the end of the day we're going to cover the hearings, cover the facts. there's facts in favor of certain people in the administration. we'll cover that, too. but your exper expertise says, take a stand. don't leave it up in the area. mr. flannery, good to see you. >> good to be with you. thank you, ari. later on tonight, we're going to dig into the murdochs. the heat they were under for indulging tucker carlson's hate and lies. but first, millions of americans are hearing directly from a teacher about how to protect kids from this vicious series of school shootings. she's my guest next. >> this is the inside tour of

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call 833-317-4673, or live chat at calhope.org today. this is what i have to protect my kiddos. so, this is a metal bat that i have here, and then this is called the barracuda. now, this part goes over the door handle, soist just flips over like this. just make it really easy to block the door. >> if congress continues to face republicans blocking any votes on gun safety legislation, what does that leave teachers to do?

well, as you saw there, they have to improvise. talking bullet proof backpacks, tourniquets. kelsey vidal is a teacher in california. she shared how she protects she and her students and it has caused great interest because other people are obviously in this situation. she posted these online after uvalde and they went very viral. one has over 4 million views on tiktok which is an of course youth oriented platform, where a lot of younger people and parents and others can share in information. she came up with a safety protocol when she started teaching three years ago when she saw that, well, it's easy to get guns and many classrooms for largely unprepared during the training exercises that imagine what would happen if, god forbid, an active shooter did enter the classrooms. this is what teachers are up against. this is the reality, and while we cover washington a lot,

tonight we move beyond washington at what our teachers must step up and do in this environment. i'm joined now by first grade teacher, and making her tv debut, ann vidal. thank you for being here. >> thank you so much for having me. >> tell us in your own words not only what you're doing in the classroom we showed, but why you thought to share this online? who could imagine millions of people would watch it? it's grim, but clearly useful to people. >> yeah, originally when i made the videos i didn't think so many people would be interested in it. i made it for the five people who asked me about what i have in my class ram to protect students. i decided to get these materials three years ago because, unfortunately, schools are just a high risk target. and it's really unfortunate that i have to say that and that i have to have these things in the classroom, but that's why i posted the videos to get the

conversation started about what we can do to protect our students. >> you're absolutely right that it's unfortunate, and we go through the grim aspects of this and the political obstruction, the political hostage taking. there are some stories that cut both ways. i cover that. this is one where there's a minority of republicans in the senate who are preventing even an up and down vote. obviously people can vote against gun safety rules if they think that's what their constituents want, but we're not having that happen. i want to play more of your video. that's the darkness of all this, yet we know there's so many people ways with indom incredible spirits face down the darkness and do something. and clearly every day you're doing your work, but shared this. here's a little more of what you said. >> this is the inside tour of the backpack that i have. my safety backpack poor an intruder or shooter.

front part i have all the tourniquets. basic stuff in here. a metal plate. this is bullet proof. i'm going to go ahead and put it on. so, super easy. slides right over my head. i got it from bulletproofzone.com. they are currently sold out of their back pax. >> sold out. are you hearing from any other educators, parents, or people, since you've shared this? and since we do have a chance to speak with you, what are you telling your kids about the balance of being prepared while respecting their developmental age and not trying to scare them too much? >> yeah, i mean, a lot of parents commented on the videos saying, oh, i need to get this for my son or daughter's teacher. this should be part of the back to school shopping we do when we're picking up paper, pencils. so parents are starting to get

interested in it. i have teacher messaging me from the uk, canada, switzerland, australia, saying, we're so shocked this is what you have to do and it's so sad. but a lot of them are thanking me for having a plan, being prepared, and again, i would much rather have a plan in place now, practicing with the materials i have now instead of it's too late wishing i had something. yeah, it's crazy to have. >> can i ask you a dumb question? >> yes. >> do you think this level of preparation would be less necessary as part of your life as a teacher if weapons of war were somehow regulated or bars so they weren't as easy to bring into schools? >> i think that's a major issue that we need to be focusing on is the gun laws, the gun reform.

it's too easy to access guns, and i think putting a gun in a teacher's hand is not the solution. i think we need to be focusing on the mental health system, focusing on changing the laws on how easy it is to get a gun, and then maybe i wouldn't have to have all these things and look like i'm going to war when i'm in a first grade classroom. my students know what i have in the classroom. they've seen it. it's out. easy for me to access. they don't know the extent -- some are 6, 7. they don't know the extent of what's in the backpack. they're so young i don't need to tell them the details but i have it in case i needed it. >> final question to echo what you're saying. you teach first grade, but you feel like to do it responsible right now you have to have defense systems like you're reporting to a battlefield. >> yes. i mean, you know, when i became

a teacher, i did it because i wanted to work with kids and i wanted to make a difference, and i should be teaching them reading and writing and math skills, but here i am in the back of my mind preparing for if there's an active shooter on campus. what is our game plan? where do we go? what do i tell them. working on a plan and having that in place is important, and i think all teachers should have that conversation with their staff, their admin so they can prepare because unfortunately it is a reality of teachers. >> thank you for what you're doing. i hear the rooster in the background, and i just hope that means america can wake up. >> i agree. i think that we need a change and this should not be happening over and over. >> thank you for telling us about what you're doing. thank you for teaching first grade. we're going the take a break. when we come back, tina brown is here on "the beat." on "the bea.

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of the women's leadership movement. >> here we are we the with a little success. tina brown, i'm so thrilled to meet you. >> delighted to be here with you. >> fantastic. so, the why this book, why now and what more is there for us to learn? >> this is the platinum jubilee. it's the last jubilee of queen elizabeth. that seemed like a great moment to evaluate the 25 years that have passed since the death of diana which left so much scorched earth and the house of windsor had to regroup and reinvent itself and that's what the book is about. >> you look at the diana history which you've chronicled. in the book you write ever since diana's death in 1997 the queen made it clear it could never happen again, her explosive celebrity and the monarchy drowned out by one. explain. >> well, the fact is that

diana's popularity has celebrity, her huge personality and her humanitarian, you know, excitement that she generated. it began to just unsettle the house. windsor. it completely destabilized essentially the power balance in which the royal family centrally is supposed to be scaffolding to uphold the monarch, and diana had a power base, you know, it a was over and above and in some ways bigger than the house of windsor when she was alive. >> a lot of people in the united states, as you know, think that the murdochs have been a real negative and toxic force on the discourse in american politics. rupert murdoch, of course, has outside influence in england and latchland appears to be on board with and cheering on some of the worst what have we see out of fox news, and i try to be as precise as possible here. there's some stuff on fox that relates to news and discussion and opinion, and then there's tucker carlson pushing right

wing french anti-semitic replacement theory which is really something else. reading from some of the coverage, latchland murdoch gave carlson the green light to promote the conspiracy theories. anyone not comfortable with that has already left is this a new chapter or the same old murdochs? >> it's the same old fur dock. there is a chapter in my book called "snoopers" which chronicles what the murdoch press did to the royals, and it's really -- it's deeply shock when you read it, and it does explain why prince harry is so bitter because they hacked him. they stalked him. they told lies about him. it was just brutal essentially what they did to the young prince hair we he was just a teenager essentially, and it scarred them. it wasn't only the murdoch press, but they were by far the worst perpetrators of what the coverage was. >> bottom line, do you think someone like lachlan murdoch has a responsibility for what tucker carlson is pushing which is also

being cited by mass shooters? >> of course he has a responsibility, both lachlan and his father rupert have a huge responsibility for destroying, denigrating, blowing up, you know, civil discourse in three continents but nothing really does seem to impact people with major fortunes and power. it's stunning to me that, you know, the abuse that people feel about fox never really lands a punch on the murdochs. >> before i lose you, let's talk about magazines. do you like them? >> i'm a magazine junkie. i always have been. magazines, however, are fading as an art form, you know. they are fade, fading fast, and i have to confess that i pretty much read everything on my phone these days. >> you don't read -- whoa. we do have a scoop here. >> yeah. >> i still get "vanity fair" in print, for example. do you? >> i still get my "vanity fair" and my "new yorker" which i adore but i read mostly on my

phone. >> i have to ask you about what the the ceo of conde fast is now saying, quote-ins no longer a magazine company as they see a difficult time for print. when you see them say that, is that fair, or is that poppycock as we say in texas? >> well, i would like to know what they are instead quite honestly, because it's all about conten. i don't really care how your content appears as long as it's brilliant content, okay. so just do brilliant contempt, and i'll find you. but i don't think just saying that you're not a magazine company anymore quite hacks it. >> fair. will there be physical magazines in ten years? >> probably not. not likely actually unless there's a kind of retro sort of younger people suddenly hankering for something that for them is extim and new which is print, but it will always now i think be kind of a small niche thing to be in print and everything is going -- is

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tucker carlson tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern which brings us to a final question as we end the hour. find me @arimelber. should mr. navarro go on air? let me know. the more northern than that is "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. how you doing, joy? >> my favorite of navarro questions was you do realize people can hear you, right? classic, i cannot believe he said what he said. >> which is true. >> which is true. thank you very much, ari. have a great evening. good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" tonight with the concept of safe spaces which the merriam webster dictionary describes as a place intended to be free of bias, conflict, criticism or potentially threatening actions, ideas or conversations. like safe spaces for sexual assault survivors, transgender, et cetera, but for the idea on the right