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good afternoon. you're watching "chris jansing reports" live from msnbc headquarters in new york city. 11-year-old miah cerrillo survived the horrific attack on her elementary school in uvalde, texas, two weeks ago. but surviving it turns out can be a very difficult challenge. after watching her friends and her teacher gunned down in front
of her eyes, she is not sleeping much. as you might imagine, her dad says she's not doing too well. so it would be an extraordinary act of courage for anyone, let alone a little girl who should be enjoying summer break right now, to put aside her own struggles and relive what she went through. but that's exactly what miah did, videotaping testimony for a house hearing on gun violence today. here's miah and her dad. >> there is a door between our classrooms, and he went there and shot my teacher and shot her in the head. and then he shot some of my classmates and the -- he shot my friend next to me and i thought he was going to come back to the
room, so i got blood and i put it all over me. >> if there is something you want, that you want to know about that day, you know, things you want different, what would it be? >> to have security. >> do you feel safe at school? why not? >> because i don't want it to happen again. >> you think it's going to happen again? >> i come because i lost my baby girl. she's not the same little girl that i used to play with, hang around with and do everything because she was daddy's little girl. >> one of miah's classmates was lexi rubio. lexi was killed in her classroom, just hours after receiving the good citizenship award and an honor roll award for getting straight as. her parents testified about their daughter this morning and the life she will never get to
lead. it was excruciating and heart breaking to watch, but it is also something all americans, those who support new gun laws and those who don't should see. >> given the opportunity, lexi would have made a positive change in this world. she wanted to attend st. mary's university in san antonio, texas, on a softball scholarship. she wanted to major in math and go on to attend law school. that opportunity was taken from her. she was taken from us. somewhere out there is a mom listening to our testimony thinking i can't even imagine their pain, not knowing our reality will one day be hers. unless we act now. >> so the question now is whether those words will force lawmakers to actually pass new gun laws, something they failed to do time and time again. as recently as yesterday the democrats top senate negotiator
chris murphy said a deal could be done by the end of the week. but nbc news learned that the group is now hung up on the issue of background checks for 18, 19 and 20-year-olds who want to buy guns. even if there is a deal, and that's still a big if, it is going to be pretty where are we right now? punch bowl news puts it like this, in the long struggle over guns and gun control, there is finally a window open for compromise, albeit a small window, with room for only a narrow accord. why? because for the first time in a decade the political incentive structure has shifted, democrats are working within the confines of a razor thin majority in washington, dropping their calls for big policy changes in favor of small progress. and some republicans have accepted that opposing any and all changes to gun laws is both politically and substantively unacceptable. and at this point, it is worth
reminding everyone exactly what we're talking about here, no one is talking about banning handguns or even banning assault rifles like the ar-15, which was, let's remember, designed for military use. it is essentially the same as the m-16, that soldiers carried in vietnam. weapons of war that can make a hole in a human body the size of an orange. dr. roy gadero, a pediatrician in uvalde who responded to the hospital that day, testified about what kind of injuries this kind of weapon does to these children. >> what i did find was something no prayer will ever relieve. two children whose bodies have been pulverized by bullets fired at them decapitated, whose flesh had been ripped apart, the only identity was a blood spattered cartoon clothes still clinging to them, clinging for life and finding none. >> i want to bring in nbc senior
national political reporter sahil kapur, anna palmer of punch bowl news and juanita toliver, msnbc political analyst. juanita, i want to stay on that for a while. we hear from people like dr. guerrero about the damage done to kids and then some republicans are claiming that these assault weapons are necessary, so i want to play what the argument is on the other side. >> it is something that a lot of people for purposes of going out, target shooting, in my state, they use them to shoot prairie dogs and other types of varmints. >> in you're colorado, an ar-15 is a gun of choice for killing raccoons before they get to our chickens. it is a gun of choice for killing a fox. >> why does someone need an ar-15? >> if you talk to the people that own it, killing ferel pigs, they wonder why would you take it away from them?
>> is the republican message neutralizing the message from people like dr. guerrero? democrats know from polls they're winning in the court of public opinion, so why hasn't anything changed? >> absolutely not going to neutralize what we heard from dr. guerrero. because what the doctor did today was illustrate explicitly how the guns are being used against children, against children and schools. and with his graphic experience with this, he's laying it out for the public and for the republicans who refuse to listen. and, but, with this type of imagery, they're not going to be able to look away anymore, they're not going to be able to talk about it is for shooting animals, for target practice, because it is being used on children, it is being used at grocery stores, being used in churches and that is something that republicans know they can't move away from because during these hearings, while the doctor was speaking, recognize that republicans were not in that room. they were at a conference trying to pivot the narrative away from
guns, trying to talk about anything and everything else they think matters to voters except for the true issue at hand, and i just want to applaud the parents, the children, the people who lost their loved ones for coming up and sharing these stories because this is what makes it not just a number, featured in a headline, this is what takes it beyond the fact that it was 19 children and two teachers or ten people at a grocery store, because this is about their lives, this is about the impact of the loss and this is about the damage that these assault weapons are doing and how congress can take them because the underlying message here today, chris, is protecting children means more than protecting guns, and congress has to act or it is going to keep happening and that's something that we heard repeatedly from the witnesses today and republicans won't be able to neutralize that because it is a fact. >> so lay out the facts politically, anna, why can't democrats gain ground on this issue? >> well, i think because we laid out this morning they are gaining small ground here when it comes to even having these
negotiations as serious as they are. you have the house republicans who have really laid out a position that this is a second amendment rights issue. you're having a much more substantive conversation around things like red flag laws, mental health, and, yes, it is going to be a smaller package, that is just the reality of where things are in terms of the politics for republicans. but i would say i covered a lot of this issue throughout the years over the past decade, and this is as serious of a conversation as we have seen in a really long time. >> but as serious a conversation as will actually this time produce something because those are two different things. >> yeah, you are totally right. we don't know yet if this is going to come it a deal. i will say there is a large number of senators, republicans and democrats, meeting in the capitol today. the big question i have is we haven't seen paper. it is always the details that
matter. it is going to be how much it costs. the mental health provisions that they're talking about could cost up to $7 billion. that is a lot of money and republicans are going to want to find some offset. so as heart wrenching and awful as this is, and you see democrats trying to continue to keep this top of mind, whether it is matthew mcconaughey at the white house, today with the hearings, it is the details of this and continuing to make sure that republicans stay at the negotiating table. we'll have to see where this nets out at the end of the week and potentially next week. >> and sahil, it wasn't just one sided. we also heard from some gun rights activists including la cetia hughes. >> our gun control lobbyists and politicians came that their policies will save lives and reduce violence. well, those policies did not save my son. the laws being discussed are already implemented.
and cities across this country, we have decades of evidence proing they do not work. >> the heritage foundation also said the law is being proposed would be legally suspect. they proposed alternative ways to deal with gun violence. from what you're hearing on the hill, what are those alternatives and what are the chances that they get them through, in other words, things like mental health as opposed to actually dealing with guns? >> there is a split among republicans about this, chris. if you ask senator john cornyn leading the negotiations and other republicans including minority leader mitch mcconnell who is supporting him, they are interested in encouraging states to pass new red flag laws which some republican-led states like florida have done. this would allow law enforcement or family members to petition a court to keep firearms away from people who are believed to be dangerous to themselves or others. there is talk about doing something on background checks.
not universal background checks, even though that proposal has more than 80% public support. they're looking at 18 to 21-year-olds, specifically whether they can include juvenile records into the background checks system. a number of mass shooters have been part of that age group and committed violent acts in their younger years. should they be allowed to have guns? republicans are open to that and beyond that there is money for mental health and school safety on the table. that's one category, chris. the second category, republicans with national ambitions with higher ambitions, i spoke to senator ted cruz, josh hawley and they're not touching this negotiation. they're keeping their distance from it. they're promoting this theory unfounded as it may be in this case that they're worried any action taken would be a slippery slope to ending gun rights, that's not what people are talking about here. cornyn is emphasizing that's not what's on the table. and finally if you look at the prevalence of mass shootings in the united states, they're
exponentially higher than other developed countries there is no evidence that the u.s. has more mental health problem than other countries it has much easier access and availability of deadly weapons. that seems to be the key variable driving this. that doesn't matter in terms of the politics of this so much, because there is a strong progun contingent in the country, that is very well represented in the senate through the structure of it and the fact that rural states have overrepresentation as a share of thejuanita, you t, it is extraordinary when you talk about a little girl who parents just lost a child who are able to get up and speak the way they did. make the cases that they did. there is also some debate as you know about showing pictures of the bodies of these children, with their parents' permission, of course, but there are people who believe that will help galvanize public opinion because of their graphic nature, certainly some conservative outlets used graphic images of say abortions to shore up what they want to be support for their position.
is that something that you think democrats would or should consider again if that's something a parent wanted to do? >> when i think about that, my mind immediately goes to mamie till mobley who showed the pictures of her son who was lynched in mississippi. that was a deeply personal decision she made on her own. no one asked her to do it, she knew that she wanted the world to see the impact of harm done to her son, the impact of white supremacy and racism in this nation. and so if any parent felt compelled to do that, on their own, with no cajoling or encouragement from anybody else, then absolutely it would make an impact. there is a fine line between making sure you're highlighting an issue and a substantive way, versus producing traumatic images that do a disservice to the individual who was harmed and their family. if any parent decided to do that
on their own, that is one thing. but anything short of that would be truly concerning move to by any party involved. >> juanita, anna, sahil, thank you very much. while the debate drags on, uvalde families continue to bury their dead. as we speak, funeral services are under way for 10-year-old third grader annabell rodriguez. her 9-year-old cousin was also killed in the shooting. morgan chesky is in uvalde, for us. hard to fathom how agonizing these weeks have been. and how agonizing they will continue to be for that community. >> reporter: that's absolutely right. you have the shock of what took place two weeks ago, and with the burials beginning, you this whole other sense of loss that hits you yet again. that's what people in this community are seeing, when you see one funeral procession after the other going down the main streets, the hearses hitting hard every time you see them.
annabell rodriguez, her life celebrated today. a student at robb elementary, taken two weeks and a day ago. her family sharing that, of course, she will be so missed and she loved the color blue, butterflies, and they were very proud of her making the honor roll. of course, that was one of the ceremonies that took place that fateful morning, just minutes before that gunman entered. regarding this community, and how they're handling this, there is an increased call for accountability and for transparency. we heard attorney general merrick garland say that that would be one of the focuses of the department of justice review here, chris. but there are people that are awaiting to see if any transparency will come out of the ongoing investigation. it began with dps, it is now under the view of the d.a. here, district attorney christina buzbee who has yet to make a statement about the status of this investigation. uvalde's own mayor at an
emergency city council meeting told me he asked repeatedly not necessarily for information, but for any kind of briefing on where things stand, and he has yet to receive one. at that city council meeting, chris, important to note, noticeably absent, newly elected city council member pete arredondo. the school's chief of police, who has been silent since the shooting. chris? >> morgan, thank you so much for your ongoing reporting. coming up, a clear message from one of the nation's most progressive cities. crime and homelessness problems will push people to vote in big numbers. nbc's steve kornacki is here, standing by to take us through the results of california and across the country last night. and we'll dig into the warning signs they give us about the midterms. plus, the abortion fight is getting a revival on capitol hill as more than 20 senate democrats call on president biden to act on abortion rights. nbc news was the first to get its hands on that letter. we have those details coming up. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. p. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc
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today there seems to be an election message to democrats, courtesy of two of the country's more famously progressive cities. in los angeles, business man rick caruso, a republican who switched to democrat, days before announcing his candidacy, captured more votes than progressive well known congresswoman karen bass. this race now heads to a runoff. in san francisco, as "the new york times" puts it, voters put an end to one of the country's
most pioneering experiments in criminal justice reform. ousting a district attorney who eliminated cash bail, vowed to hold police accountable, and worked to reduce the number of people sent to prison. that d.a., chesa boudin, actually blamed the right for his loss last night. >> the right wing billionaires outspent us 3 to 1. they exploited an environment in which people are appropriately upset. and they created an electoral dynamic where we were literally shadow boxing. >> nbc's steve kornacki is with us at the big board after, i don't know, a couple of hours of sleep. take us through the big races. >> similar themes actually i think animating both of these contests. here's what we've got right now. still a lot of votes that need to be counted for this primary. we do know rick caruso, karen bass, they're headed for a runoff. this is going to be settled in the november general election. you can see the third place
finish here, de leon, running to the progressive left, an opportunity in theory for bass to kind of get some of these other candidates to support her, other candidates to her left or near her left flank for the general election. caruso, though, you know, has been spending heavily, has an unlimited war chest in those themes he was stressing there about crime, homelessness, quality of life, certainly seemed to have some resonance. this is better than at the outset of the campaign you would have expected caruso to do. it dove tails with what we saw in a more liberal city, san francisco, here. here is the recall, chesa boudin. here, the comments you just played there, the context for this, here is how liberal, how democrat san francisco is as a city. 2020 election results. and yet you've got 60% of the electorate in this city choosing to recall the district attorney. so, again, you know, boudin is part of a group of batch of
progressive prosecutors elected in cities around the country, counties around the country the last few years. you do think a result like this could have some resonance, could get noticed across the country. >> anything in the house races that gives us a through line that gives us some indication of what we should look for in november? >> a couple interesting things to keep an eye on here. let's start in california, i think this is the most interesting race here. david valadao, this is the central valley, 22nd district, the way they do the primaries in california, democrats, republicans, they all run on the same ballot. the top two vote getters meet up in november. there is one democrat in the race, rudy salas, he finishes first, on to the november general election. you see this republican vote is really divided here. valadao is leading among the republicans. it is only by about 1200 votes. valadao voted to impeach donald trump last year after january 6th. his top republican opponent chris mathys said i'm in the
race because of that. i don't think he should have voted to impeach donald trump. the way this happens in california, there is still going to be some mail-in votes counted in the next few days, still theoretically room for mathys to catch valadao. but it looks like a decent pad. that's not a great performance for a republican incumbent. if he holds on to second place here and gets the general election matchup, here's what he's looking at in terms of political terrain for the fall. this is a democratic district, valadao barely won it in 2020, he has to unite the republican party, it is going to be a tough fight for him in the general election and quickly, chris, one other surprise here, i think worth noting, in mississippi, this is the third congressional district of mississippi, this is a republican congressman, incumbent, he's in second place right now, not all the votes are counted. mississippi is a runoff state, if nobody gets 50%, the top two head to a runoff. guest, why did he run afoul of the republican electorate?
he voted for the creation of that bipartisan january 6th commission. that became an issue that his challenger played up. look at this, guest, it looks like, very likely going to finish second here and go into a runoff in a couple of weeks, could lose his seat in the primary. >> steve kornacki, fascinating stuff. thank you so much. i want to dig deeper with barbara boxer of california. you spent a lot of your life in the bay area. one life long liberal who owns a san francisco sandwich shop tells nbc news that the now recalled d.a.'s politics is no match for the reality of auto thefts, rising homicides, and crime as well as homelessness in the city. let me play that. >> i was -- my god, i've been robbed on mission street, i was jumped on 6th street. the ideology that is happening now is a little bit dangerous for the residents. >> let me reiterate, this is a progressive.
so how should democrats and progressives be reading the results from last night? >> well, hi, chris. it is so great to be with you. let me say that i seeing some very interesting emerging from democrats. they are rejecting ideological leaders in favor of pragmatic progressives. for example, you said very clearly what happened in that recall, that was rejection of an ideological leader. but down here in the los angeles area, we had a sheriff who came at it from the right wing and he's forced into a runoff. then you have our attorney general who is very progressive, pragmatic progressive, wants to get things done and he got a wonderful vote. so i think democrats are saying we want pragmatic progressives. that's what i think. >> do you think there is an exhaustion there? just tired of all the fighting and, you know, they want someone who represents their views, but
not at the cost of not getting anything done? >> yes, exactly. that's -- you know, the bottom line is i'll give you an example, when i went to the senate, i said i wanted to put 2 million acres into wilderness. the beautiful god given wilderness we have here in california that is disappearing. i couldn't get 2 million acres. i got 1 million acres. and some of my supporters said, you should just hold out. well, i said i'm not going to do that, i'll never get it done. you've got to make things better. and i think if you look at our governor's race where gavin newsom ran away with it. and our u.s. senator race, which, you know, a seat i used to hold and kamala held it, alex padilla, these are pragmatic people. they are quite progressive in their view, but they are going to make life better for people. they're going to do everything they can. and that's what i see happening across the board in the
democratic party. >> so after we see these progressive criminal justice reform ideas rejected at least in the case of that one race in san francisco, let's zoom out to 30,000 feet. i want to play for you what the president said about the primary elections, just last hour. >> i think the voters sent a clear message last night, both parties have to step up and do something about crime, as well as gun violence. >> as well as gun violence. do you see a through line from the larger gun conversation that is happening right now where democratic politicians nationwide can sort of harness that outrage, the fury voters are feeling about crime as well to somehow tie them together? and propose solutions? >> well, without a doubt. i mean, again, there is pie in the sky solutions and there are real solutions that are backed by 70% of the people, 80% of the people and more.
so anyone, when they're republican or democrat, call yourself a conservative, a liberal, a progressive it doesn't matter to me. these are common sense things, the background checks, that's something that is common sense. raising the age to buy an assault weapon, to 21, i favored banning them, i voted to ban those weapons of war. you can't get that, settle for raising the age to 21 because unfortunately we have seen these young people lose their minds when they turn 18 and go get these weapons of war. so, yeah, i think -- i think there is a through line here. i think the whole issue of crime is important. we need to do all of the above. yes, we need mental health help for people. yes, we need sensible gun laws so that the wrong people don't get these guns. and it goes on and on. and we can do these things. and it is a matter of just putting aside ideology and
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the committee. the task before the committee is to tell the truth and to find out what happened on january 6th. >> i want to bring in joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst. so, joyce, with all of this information that the committee has compiled, what do you expect is going on, right now in the last 24 hours of prep before primetime and what does the committee need to do right out of the gate to grab america's attention? >> the most difficult thing when you have as much information as the committee has is figuring out what you present to the jury, in this case to the american public, to compel them to understand the facts as a whole. so i suspect that there is still a little bit of scurrying going on to figure out just what they can get in, but thursday night the most important task in front of the committee will be to get the public's attention. of course, fox news won't be airing these proceedings. the committee will have to reach out and give people reasons that they can't afford not to listen. we hear that they plan on giving
an overview thursday night and so i suspect we'll hear their case for the public to engage them. >> joyce, i want to share you a list that shows some notable depositions. it includes the former president's family, rudy giuliani, former trump and pence officials. we heard what the congressman told ali vitaly just now. what are you watching for when it comes to how these hearings will impact trump world? >> so this is an interesting question because, of course, the justice department investigation is happening, i don't want to say in parallel, but perhaps in tandem. and a big part of getting to the truth is getting central witnesses to cooperate with you. witnesses who believe that everything is about to come out in the wash are far more likely to cooperate. so that's one item that may be on the agenda for the committee this week, surfacing additional witnesses. >> there is a judge as you know who is ordering john eastman, a
trump lawyer who wrote memos arguing that then vice president pence could overturn the election to turn over 170 documents to the committee. the judge pointed to one email from december 20th, 2020, that he said included evidence of a potential crime. so this committee is still actively gathering evidence. even as it is about to present the findings. so how does that work? i suppose it is possible they could even find something en route that might shake things up. >> you always pursue the evidence down to the final minute. but here eastman has engaged in a deliberate practice of trying to delay, trying to keep the committee from getting access to his materials. one suspects that makes them even more eager to have every last document. and, of course, that judge is involved in a civil case, not in a criminal case, so using a lower burden of proof to make these findings that suggest that there is a crime fraud exception that can permit the court to
force the turnover of mr. eastman's documents, even though he's claimed they're shielded by the attorney/client privilege. nonetheless it is something to hear a judge say there is more evidence than not that the former president of the united states was involved in a crime. >> joyce vance, i have a feeling we'll be seeing a lot of you in the coming days and weeks. thank you so much for that. tomorrow, there will be special coverage of the january 6th hearings at 7:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. and on peacock. putting pressure on the president, the new push led by two democratic senators to take action on abortion rights. what they want to see next. and a new lawsuit against meta as one family blames instagram for their daughter's eating disorder, self-harm and thoughts of suicide. we have the details on that case as well. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. jansing reports" only on msnbc
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close to two dozen senate democrats are putting new pressure on president biden to act to protect a woman's access to abortion. nbc news was first to obtain a letter from this group, led by senators elizabeth warren and patty murray. it calls for six specific executive actions from the president. ali vitaly is on the hill, she broke this story for us. what specifically does this group want to see? >> after a lot of weeks of asking what senate democrats and democrats broadly could do to shore up abortion protections, now two senators are leading the way with an answer, pressuring the white house along with more than 20 of their colleagues on six specific actions that they would like the white house to take, asking president biden to leverage a whole of government response through executive actions. you see six of them on the screen, increasing access to medication abortion, which is the most prevalently used form of abortion, also food and drug administration approved, then other things on this list like
providing resources to individuals who are seeking abortion in other states, that could mean things like travel vouchers or helping people pay for child care, any of the barriers that exist for people who are trying to access this kind of care. and won't be able to now that it is becoming more restrictive. both on a state wide level and in anticipation of that official supreme court ruling that really could come any day now on dobbs v. jackson women's health. that is largely expected based on a leaked draft opinion we got a few weeks ago to topple the protects offered by roe v. wade. and you and i both know, senate democrats tried and failed to shore up a federal codification of abortion protections several weeks ago. now they're looking for other options but this list is tangible but it shows us the other side of the coin. there is not much the federal government can do outside of a legislative pathway to shore up these protections if the supreme court is not going to continue to uphold them. >> thank you for that and for your great reporting. also right now, the latest on
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jerry nasser. they referred msnbc news to testimony from its director who told congress, quote, people at the fbi had their own chance to stop this monster back in 2015 and failed. and then there's the company suiting meta, playing it for their daughter's eating disorder and self-harm. this uses documents leaked last fall that reviewed meta knew instagram was worsening body image among teen-age girls. a spokesman designed to comment saying it's active litigation. the fbi saying they will not bring charges against those behind the nasser investigation. i want to remind folks what three of the women had to say
before the senate judiciary committee. >> the records establish that steve penny, fbi agent jay abbott and their subordinates worked to conceal nasser's crimes. we suffered and continue to suffer because no one at the fbi, usag or the usopc did what was necessary to protect us. >> what is the point of reporting abuse if our own fbi agents are going to take it upon themselves to bury that report in a drawer? they had legal, legitimate evidence of child abuse and did nothing. if they're not going to protect me, i want to know who are they trying to protect. >> what do you think? how strong do you think their case is? >> i think it's heroic that they are bringing this case, chris. let's give it some context. i want to start with what we just heard michela maroney say, what is the point of reporting
abuse it you're going to do nothing. somewhere between half and two-thirds of victims of sexual assault never go to the police, never go to law enforcement like the fbi and i think that when they don't get a response, it only makes it harder or discourages victims from coming forward in the next case. and so what these women have said is we're going to put ourselves in the driver's seat. we cannot get accountability through the criminal process. as you said, two weeks ago the d.o.j. said they had decided that they were not going to prosecute these fbi agents for failure to act on the evidence that they got and so now they're going to a different forum, where i think that they may actually have a really strong case because what they are trying to prove now in this civil case is different from what the d.o.j. was considering the charges that it rejected. >> so let's talk about meta
lawyers who spoke with nbc news. they say this lawsuit makes unprecedented use of the facebook papers, the ones that revealed the company's extensive knowledge of the damage its products can do to teen-agers, especially girls. how do you see that argument playing out on both sides of this suit? >> it's really cutting edge. this lawsuit is a product liability lawsuit. effectively it says your product harmed us, the way you might say a gun manufacturer's products or tobacco company's products have caused harm. i think that it's a really important development in this frontier to try to get accountability, sort of echos of the last one where victims are putting themselves in the driver's seat and they're saying if social media companies have not been held to account in the criminal process, there is a federal law that protects them from liability for the content that users put on their platforms and so now they are moving forward with a different theory.
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