tv Katy Tur Reports MSNBC June 8, 2022 11:00am-12:00pm PDT
good to be with you. i'm katy tur. mia should be two weeks into her summer vacation. instead the fourth agreeder -- grader appeared before officials today. she recounted how she survived the mass shooting at her elementary school in uvalde last month after smearing herself with her friend's blood and playing dead. >> there's a door between our classrooms. and he went there and shot my teacher and told my teacher good night and shot her in the head. and then he shot some of my classmates and when i went to the back, he shot my friend and
i thought he was going to come back to the room. so i grabbed the blood and put it all over me. >> do you feel safe at school? why not? >> because i don't want it to happen again. >> you think it's going to happen again? >> miah's dad, who spoke briefly, said the 11-year-old is still healing from the bullet fragments lodged in her back. he said she is not the same little girl who only a few weeks ago was laughing and playing. and they heard from the only pediatrician, he detailed the moment he rushed to the e.r. that morning. i want to warn you his testimony is really hard to listen to. >> two children whose bodies had been pulverized by bullets pulled at them, decapitated,
bullet from an a.r.-15. as i cleaned his wounds, i can feel pieces of that bullet in his back. if after hearing from me and the other people testifying here today does not move you to act on gun laws, invite you to my home to help me clean zaire's wounds. >> the question now is will these people's words, this child's words matter? will their lives and their trauma matter enough to get republican lawmakers to act? because democrats are on board. it is republicans right now who hold the ball. joining me from capitol hill is nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez. joining me is jake sherman. es -- excuse me for my raspy voice, this never-ending cold i
have. the videos were wrenching. what was it like there today? >> i was inside that room. everyone in there, lawmakers, witnesses and members of the press that were in that room were just captivated by the testimony that you just highlighted. we have been hearing stories coming out of uvalde over the last several weeks, but what really struck me is hearing how some of these people impacted are dealing with this day to day and will continue to be dealing with it. we had thought there might be a possibility that even though this was a prerecorded message that that young girl might be inside that hearing room, but instead it was her father who showed up. he was clearly devastated, agonizing over what had happened to his daughter. and deeply -- his daughter deeply traumatized just could not be in that room. but another moment that stuck out to me, katy, is the family of alexei rubio. they spoke via video to the lawmakers present and she described how she felt so guilty that she had left her daughter
in school that day after promising her that he would have ice cream later that evening to celebrate awards she had won. take a listen to some of her testimony. >> we ask for progress. we seek to raise the age to purchase these weapons from 18 to 21 years of age, to seek red flag laws, stronger background checks. we also want to repeal gun manufactures' liability immunity. somewhere out there, there's a mom listening to my testimony thinking i can't even imagine their pain, not knowing that our reality will one day be hers unless we act now. >> and it is heard over and over again, katy, a call to action from those present. just hearing from that 11-year-old girl, who we had heard about her story before, that she had played dead and smeared her classmate's blood on
her to hide from the gunman but to hear from her firsthand, even if it was prerecorded video, to see her face describe that moment, it was just heart breaking, katy. >> maybe there are people out there who say this is happening over there, it's not happening where i am, i think i'm okay. but hearing that mother say somewhere there is a mother out there saying i hope i never know what that feels like but who will know what it feels like if nothing is done i thought was extremely powerful. jake sherman, i'm curious from you in terms of covering lawmakers on capitol hill and covering republicans, what's your sense of things? >> well, there's two kind of parallel things to discuss. number one in the senate where they are making progress on what would be probably the most significant overall of gun laws in several decades. now, this will fall short of what democrats want and democrats freely admit that. as we kind of detailed this
morning in punch bowl news a.m., democrats kind of feel like a half step is better than nothing at all. and that's the dynamic they're faced with right now. can they get something to take guns away frommentally -- from mentally ill people? can they strike while the iron is hot? and the answer to that seems to be yes. they're talking about getting a framework this week, as soon as tomorrow or friday rather. i don't know that that's going to happen, but i do think in the next two weeks you will see a framework. it will take a while to get through. it probably won't include a ban on assault weapons, it won't include a fulsome background background check system which many democrats have argued for and we have heard cracks around the edges about raising that
minimum age to buy assault-style weapons from 18 to 21. that seems to be getting very small bits of traction. mitch mcconnell has privately said that he is for that as has publicly lisa murkowski and joanie ernst said that should be considered, as did mitt romney. i don't think that's going to happen. but on a parallel track, today house republicans -- the republican leadership in the house spoke for the first time and steve scalise himself, katy, as we all know, a victim of gun violence, nearly died just a couple of years ago. he discussed -- he said that we're not getting to the root cause, which is, you know, they were a.r.-15th 50, 60 years ago and this wasn't happening and there's no prayer in school and we should be focused on that. i pushed him several times in a somewhat contentious exchange about whether he is even for red flag laws. he wouldn't answer. so the house republicans are just in a completely different place than the senate
republicans. but again, i'm a huge skeptic when it comes to congress time and time again. i do see this senate package coming together. >> i want to ask you what ali vitale just got from senator cornyn that he felt the timeline was a bleak timeline? is it too much to say if they're pushing this back that they're trying to ride out the clock to when this isn't top of the news? >> i don't, i don't think so. that would be my inclination, too. these talks are incredibly serious. there was just a meeting in the basement of the capitol that had more lawmakers than ever before, 11 lawmakers in that room, when they came out and said there are really no hang ups. it's just a matter of getting pen to paper and getting some of these programs on paper, the price tag figured out, the programs figured out. that is a good sign. i think that -- i always thought
the end of this week was a very aggressive timeline, just because it takes time -- once you have the broad framework, it takes time to get the details in place. so at this point standing here right now on wednesday, i don't see pushing this back or saying it might not come together by the end of this week is a negative sign. i think it's just a recognition of reality of what it takes, katy, to get these bills moving and get pen to paper. >> i know they're not exactly what the democrats want but the "new york times" did do an analysis of what these provisions currently being considered would have done in the past since 1999 and they say according to their analysis, 35 shootings would have gone differently, changed the course of at least 35 shootings and it could have saved 446 people. so in the realm of something is better than nothing, jake sherman, gabe gutierrez, gentlemen, thank you very much. joining me is richard martinez, a program manager at every town
for gun safety. his son christopher was killed in the u.k. santa barbara shooting in 2014. six students and 14 were injured by a mentally unstable 22-year-old. the mother called the police to do a welfare check on her son. she told officers she saw a rambling video and worried he was suicidal. several deputies showed up but without a search warrant for probable cause, they were not allowed to empty his room. if they entered, they would have found several semiautomatic handguns and multiple round of ammunition. your son was killed in that massacre. hearing from our two reports are just now, getting the news of where things currently stand on capitol hill, what is your
reaction? >> nobody ever thinks it's going to happen to their loved one until it does. you know, we were focused -- rightly focused on buffalo and uvalde right now but every day in our country 110 families lose a loved one to gun violence and hundreds more shot and wounded. the reality is in our country today it happens everywhere. and it's not always the tragedies that make the news. the more common situation is the ones that don't. you know, the reality is that every hour that passes without meaningful action to reduce gun violence in our country just brings us closer to the next mass shooting, the next preventable mass shooting. and i think back to sandy hook
and what happened after sandy hook, which was nothing, and what we've learned from experience here in our country is that doing nothing doesn't work. look where we're at. >> richard, i don't want to bring back this memory, but i'm going to do it to make a point. i want to play you at a press conference in may 2014 after your son was killed. i hope this isn't too painful but there is a point. let me listen. chris died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the nra! they talk about gun rights. what about chris's right to live! when will this insanity stop? when will enough people say stop this madness, we don't have to live like this! too many have died! we should say to ourselves not
one more! >> okay. so the point of that is you could have taken that moment and it could have happened word for word today and it would have had the same meaning, had the same impact as it did back then. >> buffalo, uvalde, when will enough people say not one more? >> when you're talking about meaningful gun regulations, meaningful changes, what are you talking about? >> well, you heard. you heard just the segment just before some of the things that -- i've traveled throughout the country and i've listened and i've heard the arguments on the other side and it boils down to this, they say there's no problem, there's no solution or more guns is the solution. all of those things are just --
are just wrong, you know. clearly we have a problem in this country with guns because no other country in the world comparable to ours has this problem. why? because when they've had the problem and they've had the problem, they've done something about it. what they've done has reduced gun violence dramatically in or countries. you can see it across the united states in how different states are doing. and you can see what things work and what things don't. gun violence, there's not one single solution that's going to to solve all gun violence. but driving today is safer than it was 30 years ago. it's not because of one thing. it's because of seat belts, taking drunk drivers off the road, better construction of
roads, it's many different things that have made driving safer. the same is true of gun violence in our country. today flying is much safer than it was 30, 40 years ago but airplanes still crash and people die. when that happens, we find the black box, we investigate the accident, we figure out what we can do to make it safer. we don't say, oh, safety measures don't work, throw all the safety measures out. no, we improve the safety measures for flying and over time it gets safer. that what we need to do with gun violence in our country. we need to take a look at what works drk. >> i'm sorry, i didn't mean to cut you off. i don't need to hear your reaction to steve scalise saying there needs to be more prior in school, but if there are republicans in the senate that
can make a difference, what's the dufrps to them if they're feeling nervous about what might happen to them in a primary in their next election cycle, what might happen with single-issue voters who make up so much of the primary electorate for republicans? >> well, my message is not to them. amica, families who are ilies ir feeling hopeless and helpless in the face of these tragedies and my message for them is do something. and that means volunteer, donate and vote. there are organizations every town, brady, giffords, march pore our lives, all these organizations are dedicated to making our country safer and reducing gun violence. as to steve scalise, fine.
pray. that's something. but that's not enough. you know, we learned that that's not enough. and i'll tell you, i mean, las vegas was the deadliest shooting in the history of the united states, modern history of the united states. if you this i about the number of people shot and killed there and the number of people shot and wounded we're just waiting for the next one that breaks that record. and that's going to happen unless we do something to try to stop it. and the thing is -- >> i don't know about you but i certainly feel like something could have happen on any guantanamo bay day. >> do i want to get my kids to school? it's top of mind. and that is -- >> as a news person, you know what's happened. i've talked to so many reporters
about and those reporters see things that the families don't see. they see these photographs and when the pediatricians talk, the emergency room doctors talk at the experience of looking at the victims who come in to be treated and how terrible these wounds include, the weapons of war, the a.r.-15s and other assault-type rifles, they're designed for the war, designed for the battlefield. they kill and maim and have no place. and i've talked to about five or six reporters and it horrific. reporters that have covered war in bosnia and in the middle east and they come back and tell me there's nothing like going to sandy hook or uvalde and seeing a small american children, little kids, massacred in their
classrooms. it's unsearchable, it's outrageous and i don't understand how these people in congress can sit there and do nothing when that little girl is talking about what she learned, which was that she needed to cover herself with a classmate's blood and pretend to play -- to play dead. that's what our kids are learning in the classroom and it unacceptable. it doesn't occur in other countries like hour and we need to stop it. >> for. >> richard martinez, thank you very much for coming over here and talking to us and lending your voice to this issue. we do appreciate it. i appreciate it. >> thank you, katy. >> still ahead, donald trump's lawyer, john eastman, has until 5 p.m. today to hand over 159 documents to the january 6th
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january 6th committee is tomorrow. members are promising new video and new testimony with dramatic revelations in the hopes of showing americans just now close the committee believes we came and might come again to losing our democracy. today at 5 p.m. is the deadline for john eastman to turn over 159 more documents. the trump allied attorney is known for writing memos that v.p. mike pence had the power to overturn the election. >> joining me now is white house bureau chief for "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst ashley parker and former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst john butler.
what can you tell me about the documents john eastman was supposed to turn over? >> john eastman was one of the keefe people pressuring the vice president and repeatedly offer to -- there was one thing that emerged at one point pence's staff got incredibly frustrated with eastman was they came out of a meeting where eastman asked you can do this, you have this power, you have this authority. they leave the meeting and eastman admitted that a lot of what he was pushing pence to do was much more a theoretical, intellectual exercise than an actual tangible thing that pence would be able to do. but in in that processes you have then president trump getting incredibly worked up about this.
it sets this stage where pence is getting pressure from people like eastman and the president himself doesn't necessarily understand that this is maybe a sort of a model u.n. exercise and not something the variety can do to hand him an election he cannot win or his supporters to march on the capitol. >> let talk about the potentially criminal portion of this. this is what the judge said about the e-mail. it says lawyer are free not to bring cases. they are not free to evade judicial review to overturn a democratic election. accordingly, this portion of the e-mail is subject to fraud election. can you explain that to us? >> john eastman reportedly took the 5th 150 times and he's aggressive fought having to turn over documents but the federal judge keeps requiring him to
based on this crime fraud exception. you can't claim a privilege over documents that reveal that you or others committed a crime. and here the judge has indicated there's probable cause in some these texts that not just eastman but that donald trump himself committed federal crimes. >> okay. so we have this. we also have the hearings that are going to start tomorrow, ashley, we've heard from jamie raskin it's going to blow the lid off the house. that's a pretty high bar that he is setting for this committee. what do we know about what they have in mind? >> well, first i just want to talk about how it is a high bar. and up know, katy, from covering former president trump and i know from covering him both during the campaign and in the white house that there were always these moments that were going to blow the lid off something, whether it was the access hollywood video in the
campaign, the first impeachment, the second impeachment, the mueller report. so that bar is incredibly high. they've brought in a former television producer to sort of tell this story in a gripping way and to synthesize these more than a thousand interviews they've done. i believe the 140,000 documents they've looked at, they're going to, you know, have witnesses testify, have snippets of live footage of video testimony they previously did with people of immense public interest like jared kushner and ivanka trump, and really try to tell this in a cinematic way. again, while these other previous things have been important but have not maybe sort of blown the lid off in the way that democrats would have wanted against president trump, just in my own reporting i'm so struck by especially when it comes to january 6th, when i was trying to report what happened, it felt so cinematic. you sort of couldn't believe what you were hearing about what the then president was saying
and doing, about how this all came about, about what was going on behind the scenes. so there is a world that if this committee can kind of capture this and package this, this can be one of these gripping things that the nation all tunes in to. >> we will see. they start tomorrow. tomorrow night those january 6th hearings, the first one. ashley parker, paul butler, thank you guys very much. >> a california man is in custody after he threatened to kill supreme court justice brett kavanaugh. officials say he was carrying a handgun, a knife, pepper spray and burglary tools. joining me is justice correspondent pete williams. what do we know about this guy, pete? >> we now now what law enforcement officials have told us and what is in the affidavit and criminal charges filed in federal court, they say this all began about 1:00 this morning in
chevy chase, maryland when the u.s. marshal service saw a man dressed in black get out of a taxi cab and walk away from justice kavanaugh's house. this man identified as nicholas john roske, age 26 from simi valley, california, called the local police, called 911, said he was having suicidal thoughts, he had a gun in his suitcase and that he came from california to kill a specific supreme court justice. they arrested him while he was in the process of still finishing that 911 call. they found a knife, a pistol with magazines and ammunition, pep are sprays, zip ties, a hammer and what the police are describing as sort of break-in tools. they said when he was taken to the police department and
questioned, he said he was upset about the leak of the draft ruling of roe v. wade and he thought kavanaugh would side with loosening gun reform. he was questioned a second time by the fbi and according to investigators, he said he came to the chevy chase area, to montgomery county, maryland, with the intent to break into the justice's house and then to kill the justice and then to kill himself. so he'll be appearing in court here shortly to face charges of the attempted murder of a supreme court justice. >> and this comes after the wisconsin judge just from over the weekend. very scary. pete williams, thank you very much. >> the class action lawsuit against one of the biggest car renters enters a new phase.
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hertz. more than 300 customers claim they were falsely arrested for stealing cars they lawfully rented from the car rental company. joining me now is charles doucette, who was arrested by customs and border patrol while on a cruise ship in florida. hertz said he stole a car he rented and paid for. he is joined by his attorney. i want to ask you, last time we spoke, you were in the jail cell. what has happened since then? >> well, so my charges were dismissed. they were withdrawn from the prosecutor back in april. so that was a big step. i'm out attempting to rebuild the business, but unfortunately i still have, you know, a record on my background checks that show that i was arrested, it
shows there was a felony charge. it does show it was dismissed but it still causes many, many issues for me in my every day life. it's a thing that i continuously have to explain to clients, potential clients. i've lost business because of it. it's been a nightmare but at least i'm home. >> seemed like you meet want to seek damages against hertz. >> absolutely. this has cost me more than i anticipated to be honest with you. it's been a struggle definitely. >> you are representing 300 clients, unless that number's gone up in the time since we've spoken last, who are in a also a class lawsuit against hertz. whats to it mean that some of those kients can sue for bankruptcy in say. >> bankruptcy court favors the debtors. in this situation we want to be free of the glue trap of
bankruptcy. more importantly, justice delayed is justice denied. when we have 330 individuals that were wrongfully thrown into the criminal justice system through no fault of their own, they want to get out of that system as fas as they can and they're entitled to be fairly compensated for what we lost and the rm, which the court will consider punitive damages to punish hertz for their wrongful conduct where they have put profits ahead of human life and continued in a practice that hurts their very own customers. that's where this is at. it's a very pivotal moment in the case because. it changes the landscape of the litigation battlefield. >> the company says, "hertz cares deeply about our customers and we successfully provide
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2015 investigation into nasser. the suit comes two weeks after the justice department decided not to charge two former fbi agents who declined to comment. >> the other day, a little while back when these women were testifying on capitol hill, they made a point to say the fbi didn't do anything. they claim they didn't do anything and because of that the fbi itself allowed women like them, girls at the time, to be abused by this guy. >> yeah. and that's really what these claims get at in this. and using some pretty strong language, too. i've got one here with me, it's chilling to read through. it calls fbi officials grossly derelict after they failed to bring forward any significant or meaningful investigative action after they were made aware of these abuse allegations back in
2015. in that year-long period of their so-called inaction, it says nasser sexual assaulted approximately 100 young woman. samantha roy said she was 18 years old in 2015 and it says she faced an additional 40 instances of abuse after these allegations were brought to light or at least put on the fbi's radar. and i think that one of the things that this really gets at is the lasting impacts of it. it says that samantha roy will continue to suffer permanent psychological trauma from the sexual abuse of nasser as well as institutional betrayal. she's just one of more than 90 women and some really world renowned athletes, simone biles, maggie nickerson is another one. she said it's time for the fbi to be held accountable. a matter of weeks ago the d.o.j. said they would not be pressing charges against any of those agents. we're seeing high end emotion.
>> i imagine that lack of a charter document for those agents did not make anyone happy who are suing the fbi now. thank you so much for being with us. good to see you. and coming up next, blackmailing the world. what russia is doing to weaponize food supplies in ukraine and the effect it could have on every single one of us. . and take. it. on... ...with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling. and for some...rinvoq can even significantly reduce ra fatigue. that's rinvoq relief. with ra, your overactive immune system attacks your joints. rinvoq regulates it to help stop the attack. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin cancer; death, heart attack, stroke, and tears in the stomach or intestines occurred. people 50 and older with at least one heart disease
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support a sea corridor to distribute grain again. in the northeast, the governor of the luhansk regions said his troops may have to retreat from severodonetsk. that area has become a focus in recent days with russia advancing towards his goal of taking over the entire donbas region. ukrainians are still trying to get those civilians still living there out. >> this is a desperate hunt to evacuate people from front-line villages that look destined to fall to russian forces in the coming days. they're just a few miles away. emergency services have had calls pleading for help from people in the town of solodar. they're risking their lives looking for the people who want to leave, but they can't find them. italia is the only person left in her apartment block.
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you're about to look live at the house of representatives. on the left side of you're screen, in the middle of the debate on floor action on changing gun laws since that horrific shooting in uvalde, texas. it is probably going nowhere in the senate even as victims of the shooting came on the hill demanding change to stop the next massacre. one member of the house, congressman, ayanna pressley will be joining us now. happening right now, the first court appearance for the man arrested overnight in a plot to kill supreme court justice brett kavanaugh, the charges he may be facing and why he called 911 on himself. and the debut of new nbc news exclusive reporting. the new plan on what the white house is
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