tv The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle MSNBC June 8, 2022 11:00pm-12:00am PDT
the confederate flags and the auschwitz t-shirts? there was an element of racism there. they object, to all americans, -- participating in democracy. >> attorney general keith ellison and jill wine-banks, thank you both, appreciate it. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. stetonight, hours away from the january 6th committee, going public with its findings for the first time. more revealing audio of kevin mccarthy from right after the violent insurrection, vowing to do the very thing the committee promises. then, today's gut wrenching testimony on gun violence from the 11 year old uvalde survivor, who played dead to stay alive, begging america, don't let this happen. plus americans paying big time at the pump, a reality check on who and what is really to blame,
as the 11th hour gets underway on this wednesday night. his wednesday night. good evening, once, again i am stephanie ruhle. tomorrow night, the january six committee's public hearings officially begin. and, we have new audio of kevin mccarthy during a republican conference meeting just days after the. right listen to this. >> we cannot just sweep this under the rug. we need to know why it happened, who did it and people need to be held accountable for it. and i'm committed to make sure that happens. >> well, that is exactly what this committee is not planning to do. as vice chair, licks cheney says, it is all about showing americans why january six is, aligned this country can never cross evergreen. >> this was a violent assault on the united states capitol. and it was provoked by exceeding president of the united states. if we really want to understand
why january six is a line that can never be crossed, again, then we really do have to sort of put the politics and the partisanship aside. let's understand what happened and let's do everything we can to protect ourselves from it in the future. >> tomorrow, we expect to hear from very two very important witnesses. a capitol police officer who suffered a brain injury from the rioters. and a documentary filmmaker who got footage of the far-right violent proud boys, leading up to the attack. georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger, is reportedly in talks with the committee to testify publicly as well. we also just found out, tonight, public hearing number three is now officially on the books for next monday at 10 am. >> and while the panel is gearing up for these hearings, republicans are teasing some of their own counterattacks, which do absolutely nothing to inform us about what happened on that day. >> it is a smear campaign,
against president donald trump, against republican members of congress and against trump voters across this country. >> it has been a year and five months since that awful attack happened. so let's just take a moment to remember some of what this country experienced and what the world saw. [noise] [inaudible] >> ah! >> [inaudible] >> hang mike pence, hang mike pence! >> chanting, hang mike pence, destroying nancy pelosi's
office, beating police officers. it was an attack on our democracy. it was not a normal tourist day. the committee is still gathering evidence, and think about that, a year and five months later, a george ordered trump, think back. ordered john eastman to turn over documents to investigators. as a reminder, eastman is the guy who wrote the members arguing that vice president mike pence could overturn the election, which he could not. at the same time, the justice department is conducting its own investigation. more than 800 people have already been arrested across the country, and in another story we are following tonight, an armed man was arrested near the home of supreme court justice brett kavanaugh. officials say the 26-year-old man, he called 9-1-1 on himself. he was armed with a handgun, a knife and pepper spray. and he said he was there to kill justice kavanaugh. there is a lot to get into. with that, let's bring in our lead off panel and hopefully
get a little bit smarter tonight. philip rucker joins us, pulitzer prize-winning journalist, deputy national eta for the washington post. and former federal prosecutor who we have not seen in a while. glenn kirschner joins us, he tried hundreds of cases in his 30 year career, including murder trials, organized crimes and precedent setting cases. and jeremy peters is here, author of the must read insurgency: how republicans lost their party and got everything they ever wanted. mr. peters, i turn to you first. from the committee perspective, what does the definition of success look like for these hearings? >> i think it is puncturing this alternate reality that half the country -- or close to half the country now -- sees, where, because of conservative media, because of donald trump and because of republicans in congress, many people now believe that this committee is nothing more than a smear campaign. , nothing more than, as elise
stefanek said in your run up, an effort to purge donald trump and his supporters from the republican party. i think that is going to be pretty hard to do, but the fact that they have promised new evidence and new testimony, we don't know what they have. and i think that's part of what makes tomorrow night so interesting. and why a lot of people are watching with anticipation to see what happens, is there are going to be witnesses that we have never heard from before. there are going to be seen from this documentary filmmaker that we have never seen before. and as much as the horror of that day is seared into the memory of most americans, i think what the committee hopes to do is to remind people that this is not political. this is not some partisan gambit. this is about an assault on the seat of american democracy that should not be forgotten and should not be vanished down the memory hole of trumpism. >> then let's talk about that,
phil. the majority of the american people, who are not dug in, hard-core red or hard-core blue, they are watching. what are they hoping to get? >> steph, i think they're hoping to get a few things, they're hoping to maybe get some new information. remember this committee has done much more to interview -- witness interviews and document reviews than any of the journalists who have been looking into the january 6th attack over the last year and a half. so, there is potential here for the committee to reveal some new revelations, some new information that asked the public knows about what happened in the run up to the attack and the day of the attack itself. but i think the american people are also looking for some understanding. they know that this was a terrible event for the country. they of course saw the images of people storming the capitol but what they might be missing is a bit of context, connecting the dots and understanding
collectively what this means, who is at fault for it, and how the country moves forward and whether the threat is still alive out there. i think those are sort of the meta questions that the committee is going to try to answer at the beginning of tomorrow night's hearing. >> and that's one of the biggest questions, whether this threat is still alive. i want to share with jamie raskin, a member of the committee, what he said earlier today about the goal of the hearings. >> we need america to know that this is an ongoing assault on the democracy. is this something that we ever want to allowed to have happen again? if not, they are going to have to listen to the final act of our committee, which is, we will be issuing recommendations on what should be done in order to fortify ourselves against coups and insurrections in the future. >> and that's it right there, glenn.
the committee's, i want to say, it's obligation to show the american people that what happened on january 6th isn't just something of the past, that connecting those dots, that that danger is still alive today and in fact january 6th was just a dress rehearsal for what is to come. will they be able to show that? >> oh, i think they will, steph. because what we have got in thus far were letters from the select committee that were sent out to witnesses, cataloging some of the evidence they expected that win is to provide, and then we would hear something's leaking out, appropriately so, after some of the witnesses had testified. but we haven't seen the evidence with our own eyes. and i for one think it is going to be a very compelling performance. the january 6th committee investigative team, headed up by tim keefe, a former expert prosecutor from my former office, the d. c. u.s. attorney's office. that team of former federal prosecutors i think has approached the jason vesta
geisha as if they were investigating a rico case. and i think just as they are expert investigators they are very adept at presenting evidence and presenting evidence to a jury. in this case the jury is the american people. once we see the evidence with our own eyes, if we conclude, as i suspect we will, that there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt, that donald trump committed crimes against the united states than, guess what? pressure burst pipes. and the department of justice will feel the pressure. i was a career prosecutor. we pretend to be immuned from pressure and public opinion and perception. but we are humans. and if we give this kind of information to the american people, they see the crime that will be proved with their own eyes, then i think the department of justice will have nowhere to go but to begin indicting the command structure of the insurrection. >> what does that mean? indicting the command structure?
>> it means to trump and john eastman, it means rudy giuliani and mark meadows. steph, we should pay more attention to the fact that a federal judge in california, david carter, has announced in his rulings multiple times that there is proof by a preponderance of the evidence, 51% of the evidence, that donald trump and john eastman together committed federal felonies of -- >> okay, glenn -- >> [inaudible] official proceeding and conspiracy to defraud the united states. those are important findings. >> i'm with you, but think about the american people. we are saying, the american people, who have been waiting five plus years for trump to pay the consequences for anything, you are saying, they need to pay attention to a ruling from a judge in california? who said something that hasn't resulted in anything? come on? >> they need to pay attention to what the select committee is going to present to them, just as we would present the case to the jury. it's going to be compelling, riveting. it's going to be linear.
i think if they sit and they absorb it, they are going to come to the same conclusion, that these wrongdoers need to be held accountable. >> jeremy, we keep talking about fox news isn't hearing these hearings. how are you going to get those people, their viewers, to see this content? are we looking at the wrong thing? if you are a hard-core fox viewer, you are dug in, you believe the big lie, you believe january 6th was a normal day for tourists. is this about focusing on the millions and millions of americans who are not just watching fox news at night? there is a lot more out there. >> that's an excellent point, stephanie. because the people who are dug in, who are loyal fox news viewers, who are not even necessarily fox news viewers, but you just kind of tune in on a regular basis, and tend to tune out political news, like most of americans, they were not going to watch this anyway. and that's why fox is not airing this. that's why you are not going to hear about it on conservative media, in general, after it happens. their audience isn't
interested. and that is, in essence, what has happened to the republican party right now. that they are just like fox, worried about how its audience will respond if it showed these hearings. the republican party, kevin mccarthy, elise stefanik, all of its leaders, they are afraid of getting on the wrong side of their voters. they are afraid of getting crosswise with donald trump, as much as there has been ink spilled and voices on various networks that have said, oh, will trump's grip on the party is weakening. his endorsement doesn't matter as much as it used to. no. he has permeated the party to such an extent that it has completely -- almost completely -- white washed the memory of one of the most horrific events to happen in modern times. and that, i think, speaks volumes. it speaks volumes that somewhere close to half the country is willing to just
write this off. as you said, as some kind of tourist expedition through the capital. or they are just willing to say, it doesn't matter in the scheme of things, and i am just going to worry about something else. >> except what happened isn't necessarily a thing of the past. you've got participants in that movement running for offices, for school boards, working in polls, getting election related jobs, all around the country. the threat is still alive and kicking. phil, i want to share what harry dunn, one of the officers who is was defending the capitol on january 6th, told our colleague chris hayes about he is feeling about the hearings. >> i am a little anxious. not necessarily in a good or excited kind of way. i'm going to find out some information, something, some may not be good, so may not be pleasant. i just want the truth about what happened that day. >> what does this hearing mean for all of the people who were at the capitol? officers, staffers, people who
are scared for their lives? >> yeah. steph, i think it is actually going to be a very difficult night for the people who witnessed and experienced the january 6th insurrection firsthand. of course, they want these details to come out into the public. they believe in the fact finding mission of this committee. they believe in finding ways to hold the perpetrators accountable. but this is personal for them. it is too traumatic. and many of them have experienced tremendous personal trauma in the wake of these attacks. they have talked openly about the -- not only the physical pain but the mental health troubles they have had. and so to see all of this play out in video, in live recollections, the recordings of these witness interviews and so forth, i think it will be a very painful experience for them, even as it is necessary in many assessments for the
public to learn this information and to really study what happened. and by the way, you mentioned the threat not being extinguished. we should remember that tens of millions of americans continue to believe the big lie that the election was stolen. and former president trump is fomenting that lie day in and day out on the campaign trail, still, to this day. and the anchor and hostility that so many of his voters feel about the 2020 election creates this very alive in state capitals around the country, and in washington. it's very real. i think we will see members of the committee try to draw that home tomorrow night. >> glenn, what happens if the hearings lay out all of the awfulness that happened on the sixth, and lay out, what phil was saying, all the things happening across the country, with the big lie. what if it does all of that and still nothing comes of it? remember, all the committee can do is make recommendations to congress, a congress that agrees on almost nothing. then what happens to the american people?
how will we feel that in? >> we will be slouching toward the end of our republic if we see with our own eyes were trump and company did, to try to overturn a free and fair presidential election, and a very real sense, to bring into an end to our democracy. if the department of justice believes it doesn't have enough evidence to indict, then virtually, it will feel like the doj is giving it stamp of approval to the next nefarious president to do everything that donald trump has done and then some. i don't see that as a viable option for our democracy. >> jeremy, your colleague, peter baker has some pretty extraordinary reporting. how jared kushner washed his hands of trump before january 6th, right? we always hear, he wasn't there on january 6th, he wasn't doing it at all. because what he was doing, he was focused on his own personal project. he was in the middle east, raising money, so when trump was out of office, jarred could become the rich, rich man he always wanted to be.
what do you think about that? >> i think the underlying point there in peter's reporting and susan glasser, his coauthor and wife on this project, in this book that is out in the fall, which i can't wait to read, is what you realize is, there is, around trump, in those moments, nobody was there. you had people like hope hicks, which peter reported in his story, who had vanished and told trump, no, sorry, i'm not with you on this. and that created this vacuum, where people like rudy giuliani and sidney powell and mike lindell could come in and have the ear of the president of the united states. and that is so extraordinary. but that is the reality of the republican -- >> okay, hold on. i know we are out of time. jeremy, saying that is almost implying, we'll, if jared and ivanka and hope where they, or that trump would have done much better things. tell me when, over the course
of four years, they were steering him in the right direction. >> sure. and i hear you 100%. and that is something that should be said and will be a part of their legacy. they were complicit, they stood by and watched as trump was impeached the first time and told the president of ukraine to interfere in the election. so, the record there is pretty well established. but i think it stands that the fact that the republican party now has no one -- no one who is an adult in the room who can stand up to the president, not even mitch mcconnell can stand up to former president trump and say, enough. and that is what we are facing, going into 2024. >> yes, but that implies that at some point, jared kushner was the grown-up in the room. yes, he was not pushing the big lie. he and steve mnuchin were overseas trying to gain big bucks for themselves. phil rucker, glenn kershner, and jeremy peters, all eyes will be on that hearing tomorrow, thank you for getting
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elementary school shooting in uvalde, texas two weeks ago, that's very real on capitol hill. as this morning's house hearings on gun violence, lawmakers heard uvalde fourth grader, miah cerillo bravely described how she survived the shooting that killed 19 of her classmates and two teachers. >> there was a door between our classrooms, and [inaudible] shocked [inaudible] teacher -- [inaudible] and then he shot some of my classmates, and the white board. when i went to the back, he shot my friend that was next to me.
and then i thought he was going to come back to the room so i grabbed the blood and i put it all on me. >> if there was something that you want people to know about, that, you know, basically want different, what would it be? >> to have security. >> do you feel safe at school? >> why not? >> because i don't want this to happen again. >> do you think it's gonna happen again? >> extraordinary, committee members also heard from uvalde, pediatrician doctor roy guerrero. and i warn you, as hard as it was to hear from miah, what you're gonna hear from the doctor is even tougher. >> what i did find was something no prayer whatever we leave. two children whose bodies have been pulverized by bullets,
decapitated, the slush had been ripped apart, that the only clue to their identities was a blood splattered cartoon clothing clinging to them. claimed for life and holding on. i could only hope that these bodies were a tragic exception to the list of survivors. but as i waited there with my fellow eovaldi doctors and other staff or at the casualties we hoped to save, they never arrived. >> not long after today's hearing, the house passed a package on gun safety bills. it includes a measure that raises the minimum age to buy semi automatic rifles from 18 to 21. here's the plan. it's going nowhere. it will stall in the senate, separately, the plan in the senate is working on, well, that has a problem too. it appears to have hit a snag, nbc news reporting that there is a sticking point with background checks. so, what does that mean tonight? we are no safer on gun safety than we were two weeks ago when the massacre took place. with that, let's bring in texas
state senator roland gutierrez, whose district includes uvalde. here we are again. it has been two weeks since that tragedy happened. what is the state of daily life for people in uvalde? >> most of it, i mean, it's a scene where people are stuck -- that's putting it lightly. it's just tragic. families are shattered. i saw miss rubio today, in congress. and how strong she was, and how strong her husband was. i am just so impressed with how they are able to cope. but not miss rubio, or anyone, no one was sought to be an advocate in this space. they just want their children back more than anything else. it is just tragedy what's going on in the community. all we can do is just be there for them. and that's what i'm trying to do. >> john cornyn is negotiating
in the senate on a possible gonna package. he's obviously negotiating on behalf of republicans. do you think anything is going to get done here? >> well, you know, look, i'm concerned about a lot of things. i mean, we've been hearing a lot about red flags. the fact, is the nra knows that if they pass a red flag law in congress, they are going to fight in the court system. the best thing that we can do is raise the age limit. this is about money, it's about gun manufacturers making more money. and i know if they raise the limit, it's not constitutional challenge-able, and so they are going to make less money. . >> yes. >> they find every little thing to just break this thing down. >> sir, we know what's should happen. but, i want to get realistic. let's say something doesn't get done in congress. texas, which has only broadened
what you can do around guns over the last few years, given the impact uvalde has had on the community and on the state, do you think anything is going to get done on a state level? >> i would ask greg abbott to, well, probably not, no. and that's the sad part about all of this. i would ask greg -- greg abbott to look at his friend, ron desantis and what he did. what he did is he raise the age limit from 18 to 20. one it is the right thing to do. republican constituents are asking for it. i mean, we need a governor that has a -- lot to do a right thing on the age limit. and, at least that, it least give us that common sense solution. but he refuses. he refuses because he's in the same -- he is stuck because of his own ambitions.
>> but, sir, help do something if texans demanded. do you believe texan voters will? >> 80% of republican voters, 80% want at age limit increase on assault weapons. it is what makes sense. you have to be 21 to buy pistol. but you could be 18 year old to buy an ar-15. everybody i talked to, republicans and democrats tell me that that makes no sense. and, clearly, it is something that we could address. red flags are something that we can't pass in austin. but, what we could do is we can pass our own a texas sized atf where we could have a ten-day waiting period, allow state agencies to interview people. those are the things that make calming gun sense, as i've told you before. stephanie, i'm a gun owner. i get it. i get what my constituents in west texas. one at the end of the day, everybody i talked to wants to race this age limit. republicans and democrats! >> some texas officials have floated this idea of arming teachers. some think the majority of teachers in texas absolutely do not want. i want to share what congresswoman, ayanna pressley of massachusetts, a point she shared about this earlier today. >> only in america, do we consider arming teachers while failing to pay them a livable wage. >> what do you think about that?
>> well, you stole the poll right from under me. 77% of teachers do not want to carry weapons in the classroom. that's not what they signed up for. they didn't sign up to be cops, they signed up to teach our children. that's what they love to do. but not arming teachers, not one door is -- some people in our austin legislation would have suggests not having every cops have a ballistic shield. none of that is going to fix the bottom line problem. and that for putting militarized weapons in the hands of 18 year olds. it is madness! and greg abbott refuses, refuses to do even what his colleague in florida did, the right thing. >> well, greg abbott and governor ron desantis, you mentioned earlier, ask them i'd love to. another day has passed, they both been invited to the show. like so many of their colleagues, they have declined
our invitation. but they're invited to tomorrow. senator, thank you for joining us this evening. i appreciated. coming up, our dear friends, michael steele and maria teresa kumar share their takeaways from last night's key primary races. the message democrats are sending in florida, when the 11th hour continues.
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are--we are closer to the center of the country, the center of our party is closer to the center of the country. >> well, the full impact of yesterday's primary result is still being determined, we may be witnessing a slight trend from away from polarization. can you believe that? and that is from both parties. the new york times describes the california results this way -- the choices seem to signal a shift to the center, likely to reverberate through democratic politics across the nation. as for the gop side, there were five, five congressman, who voted for the january 6th commission appearing to have survived their primaries. politico points out, quote, for the most part, republicans who crossed trump were not suffering for their infidelity. with us tonight, two of our favorite msnbc contributors, maria teresa kumar president and ceo of voto latino, and michael steele, former chair of the republican national committee and former lieutenant governor of the state of maryland.
maria, you heard matthew dowd. is the democratic party more centre than people realize? or more center than democrats -- excuse me -- then republicans would want to realize? >> you had it right the first time. >> [inaudible] what we saw in san francisco last night was incompetence unfolding. and democrats saying we want competence. it wasn't because it was promoting bail bonds. bail bond reform. because that happened in houston, to great well [ -- he wasn't able to fix what people wanted. this idea of feeling insecure when you go outside, and cleaning up the city. it was basic things that wasn't happening in san francisco that the voters got fed up. this was also, remember, a recall election, where the board of education was not meeting the moment that people wanted their kids in school. instead, they were talking about something completely off the books.
it's understanding that the majority of americans are reasonable. they want a functioning government that they feel safe with, that their kids are back in school. and at the same time, looking at ways to explore creatively solutions that address the broken pieces of our government. but it's not an either or. what we saw on san francisco was someone who said, either we do this or this. and it's, no, no, we need to do, at minimum, keep us safe. >> but that san francisco. . what about l. a.? karen bass is highly competent and rick caruso is the guy there. >> yeah, but i think, the same thing -- there where is the head of law enforcement in l. a., he had a couple of missteps. and they are still saying, no, we want to continue this modernization. it wasn't that karen bass's. it's more of a realignment. i encourage people to look at what we are seeing not just in california, but in houston. we have hidalgo, incredibly progressive, but has kept the city of houston safe, and she
is going to go on into reelection. so it's a matter of, again, being competent and being able to demonstrate receipts. and karen has been able to demonstrate receipts in the house of representatives. and now it's the issue of is she going to be able to do that in l. a.? i don't see a contest. ,, but he's independently minded. and he is going on as a democrat. >> mr. steele, what do you think? >> i appreciate the very fine analysis from my friend. but i think it does speak to -- [laughs] >> the very fine analysis, but i'm going to disagree with you! >> yeah, i am about to blow that [inaudible] up! [laughs] >> because the reality of it is -- [laughs] >> i love maria, but the reality of it is, i look to california and i look at l. a., i look at san francisco.
and what i see is, a state that recognizes -- citizens recognizing that, when you are looking at issues around crime and economics, they want people to get things done. they are looking for a more grounded approach. in dealing with the police. i think there is still a bit of that narrative lingering out there, with the defund the police. and things like that. the sort of, while not preeminent, still kind of rattles a lot of the electorate. and so what you see is, a nation that i think is -- again, i've been saying this forever -- is a center right nation. and my center-left friends we disagree with that. but what it means is, there is a center space that the american voter is looking for in these elections. and when they don't see it, they don't hear it, and especially if they don't feel it, if they don't feel that, to marie's point, that you are dealing with crime, that you are dealing with the concerns
of the community, then they are going to make that change. and i am not going to build too much into that and say, all right, there is this national shift all of a sudden. but i think there are some lessons that can be learned by democrats there and republicans about the kind of candidate that the voters are going to be looking forward to or looking for in these upcoming elections, which will make the general, stephanie, really, really interesting, when you are looking at someone like a karen bass and caruso in california. because that will give you a better sense of the final direction people really want to go into. not that karen bass is some flaming, progressive person, but it will be interesting to see how she counter narratives a bit on the caruso law and order approach. i give you new york. we just saw this narrative play out in new york. >> but -- >> she did say we shouldn't define the police. she said we have to meet the moment and address the issues in the police departments we
are having in a way that addresses safety and modernization. i think that that speaks to understanding the fundamental issue that if you are in l. a. or san francisco that you are not feeling safe. and you have to address those. and that is a responsible politicians being responsible public servants. >> michael, look a little further ahead for me. ron desantis, over the weekend, in a conservative straw poll, beat out trump. ron desantis? that's another version of trump. the same thing you are talking about, democrats, could they see forward, have a more centrist candidate? what about republicans? do you see a lane for this liz cheney type character, forging ahead? i mean, you had five republican congressman who supported the january 6th committee. they survived last night. trump don't like that. >> yeah, no. i think that is actually very telling. in some very interesting ways. i have said for a while there is always been a lane for the least shane, larry hogan type of republicanism. the question is, how do they
then begin to navigate and how do they set it in motion? i think what we are seeing from some of these primary results is the beginning of the cobblestones on that pathway. so, when you are looking at someone like desantis, who is just a dressier, a more swab, and debonair version of the trump right, he's going to be able to go out there and play that lane that's one heat that trump lane in play. the problem is, that still remains for someone like him, is donald trump. because he has hitched so much to trump. and while he tries to do that heisman with trump, unlike these other candidates, he is not going to find that necessarily to his benefit. it creates an opportunity for the liz cheney's to play off of him and to play against him. because he has already been out here now trying to distance trump. and when trump get mad at him -- and trump is not feeling him
right now because he has been saying all this stuff about trump. he is beating him in the straw polls. there is a point where there is going to be an accounting by trump. and when trump decides that he has had enough of desantis, that is when that race gets very, very interesting. because who is going to be the fall back? >> well, we will see. trump had enough of brian kemp and brad raffensperger and you know what they have right now? jobs. he doesn't. maria teresa kumar, michael steele, thanks for joining tonight, i love meeting with you both. >> all right. >> coming up, a whole lot of finger pointing about the very high price of gas. the problem is, are they being pointed in the right direction? we are going to get into all of that when the 11th hour continues. family is just very important. she's my sister and we depend on each other a lot. she's the rock of the family.
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somebody's pocket is getting inflated. we're the ones hurting down here, the poor people. the working people. >> i mean, i work minimum wage jobs, so pretty much most of my paycheck goes to paying for my gas. >> clearly, there's a lot impacting gas prices now in the world. so, yeah, we'll just hope they turn around and it doesn't get worse later in the summer. >> with gas prices still soaring all over the country, people want someone to blame. and plenty of people are blaming the white house. which is struggling to address inflation and this pain at the pump. calling it, quote, the problem from hell. but here's a thing, let's have a reality check, because as it turns out, these really high
prices are not a problem for everyone. in fact, as former labor secretary, robert reich, recently pointed out, major oil and price gas companies are celebrating absolutely huge monstrous first quarter revenues. let's take a look. chevron, you know that little company, had its best quarter in nearly a decade. the first quarter of this year. shell? guess what they just had. they are best quarter ever. so, you and i are paying, up paying up, paying up, and they are getting paid, paid, paid. just yesterday, exxonmobil, their stock had its first record close since 2014. and, remember, stock markets aren't doing so hot lately. so, perhaps these companies can take all this big money they're making and do a whole lot more drilling here in the u.s.. so we can tell these complicated oil and gas producers on the other side of the world ticket to the curb once and for all. just a suggestion, i know we
are all mad about the price of gas, we are blaming the white house, where blaming all these different things. look who's making all the money, those big, big companies. coming up, well the plight of thousands of desperate migrant families, once again, distract and enrage american viewers. one network sure hope so, when the 11th hour continues.
>> we are also tracking tonight, another massive caravan, as a matter of fact the largest to date. marching to the u.s. border as biden's open borders agenda is now a full blown threat to u.s. national security. >> the last thing before we go, tonight, counter programming. the january six hearing? what january six hearing? didn't you know a giant caravan is coming to take over our country? that is the message coming from
fox news and the republican cohorts in an attempt to scare and distract the american people. and, if it all sounds very familiar, here is why. >> that caravan of central american migrants -- >> high with another migrant caravan, forming in honduras. >> breaking tonight, hundreds of migrants in the newly from carbon. >> this massive migrant caravans. >> >> but first, what could become the largest caravan ever. >> fox news, resurrecting their scary caravan playbook from the 2018 midterms. remember, so scary, so scary! and the day after the midterms, it disappeared. and since then, that threat seems to come and go whenever it's convenient. so, for fact sake, while there is another caravan of migrants trying to make its way here, the biden white house says it has a plan to address. it according to documents obtained by nbc news, the administration is looking to send migrants to city deeper inside the country. starting with ali.
the plan would alleviate overcrowding along the, border for a record number of border crossings have been overwhelming the capacity of shelters in some cities. and, at times leading customs and border protection to release migrants on to the street to fend for themselves. that is a problem. so, while the biden administration is trying to respond to this problem. fox news is, once again, trying to scare and distract from what would be happening on capitol hill, tomorrow. when a hearing, a hearing showing actual evidence of an attempt to violently take over the country by overturning a legitimate presidential election. so, why isn't fox showing these hearings again? >> they're all upset the foxes in covering it, live. we actually do something called, you know, cater to our audience. our audience knows what this is. >> cater? like a restaurant, not a news organization. >> well, the truth matters, but
only if you hear it. and to hear the truth, tune into msnbc for our special coverage of the january six committee, beginning right here at 7 pm eastern. tell your family, tell your friends. this matters to america. and on that note, i wish you all a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with us, i will see you at the end of tomorrow. i know you've been concentrating on the hearing tomorrow. i think concentrating on the house hearing this morning about uvalde, about the mass shooting in baltimore. i heard there something that changed my understanding of how bad this is. goes actually description by a doctor who treated some of the survivors and saw some of the bodies of the first dead children that they had at the hospital. his testimony, there are parts of it that i'm not sure that every word he said about what he saw with those wounds got
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