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to a committee member, jamie raskin, in his first interview since the hearing. there was never before seen testimony from trump's inner circle, including attorney general bill barr. and the former president's daughter and senior adviser at funky trump. there was also disturbing new footage of the violent attack that took place on the capitol. the committee made out exactly how the hearings will show that this was a culmination of an attempted coup and they say the former president was at the absolute epicenter of it all. here is just some of what we saw. >> donald trump, the president of the united states, spurred a mob of domestic enemies. to march down the capital and subvert democracy. >> i made it clear that they didn't agree with the idea of putting out this stuff, i told the president was bullish. it i respect attorney general barr. so i accepted what he said was
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saying. >> president trump summoned the mob, assembled the mob, and let the blame of this attack. >> president trump is wrong. i had no right to overturn the election. >> pony decided to reside. >> i kind of took about just to be -- to be honest with you. >> for anyone who didn't understand how a byline that event was, i saw it, i documented it, and i experienced it. [noise] >> we lost the line! and might be to get back. stay back up to the -- >> ice off with blood all over their faces. i was slipping and peoples blood. they were peaceful people, these were great people. the crowd was unbelievable. and i mentioned the word love, the love in the air. i've never seen anything like. it >> tonight i say this to my republican colleagues who were defending the indefensible.
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they will come in a day where donald trump is gone. but you are dishonor will remain. >> and that was just a bit of what we saw. with that let's get smarter. with the help of our lead off panel this evening, jacqui alam in e, congressional investigations reporter for the washington post. msnbc contributor. she was in the room during tonight's hearing. i want to bring in former missouri senator, an msnbc political analyst, clarence castle. -- department of justice veteran and former acting solicitor, general -- obama who argued dozens of cases before the supreme court. clare, here we go, night one is done. it was brutal and damning for anyone associating with the insurrection, trying to overturn the election, or even pushed the big lie. do you think the committee did their job? >> i think the committee did a great job tonight. i thought liz cheney was particularly strong. she laid out the case i think neil would back me up here. it was an elegant and thorough
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opening statement. the jury, which is the american public, heard very clearly, what donald trump did, in terms of the big lie. and what was really compelling about stephanie is that for the first time, we saw bill barr say that trump's big lie was both shot. and i'm quoting here, everybody gets mad. amir i'm quoting the tape. we heard his daughter say, my dad is a liar. that's what she essentially said. she believed that bill barr. and so when you have that on tape, that really sets the table that's what this man did, around the election, but try to lie to the american people, to hold on to power. there is nothing more un-american than that. >> among many other reasons, is that white facts news didn't air tonight? is that why republicans don't want to watch? how do they push the big lie tomorrow, after america just saw bill barr say, it was bullish it. >> i think they didn't want to
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show it because it is, first of all, they are implicated. they talked about sean hannity's tax. we know that other host there were texting saying, have him do something. they know that trump did nothing. trump was sitting in that dining room, watching those television screens from the violence unfolding, smiling thinking that it was perfect. with no attempt made to stop the violence. or they may hand that was going on. >> and once it is firstborn daughter say? i believe bill barr. jacket, you have been covering this from the start, you were in the room tonight. tell us what's it was like especially when that new video was playing. >> yeah, stephanie, it was a heavy unite all around. lots of new information, came at people in the audience. that left tears flowing and mouths open at some points. i think the last, during the moments where lawmakers weren't
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talking, i think where the most powerful moments ultimately. when we heard directly from people like caroline edwards who described in real shocking and graphic detail about watching her colleague, capitol police officer brian sicknick in his final moments. he later passed the next day. and what was perhaps the most chilling moment, i think throughout the entire hearing. her voice was quivering at times, she walked to the audience through watching him turn as pale as a sheet of paper. and this was after she had already blacked out due to a concussion. woke up from that being out of consciousness. and got back to work, and ran over to the west front of the capitol from the bike racks. shortly thereafter, she was that tear gassed described losing her pigeon. and then continue to describe the work scene. walked the audience with a very steady voice, she was nearly emotional us at times. talking about how she people
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around her were bleeding, throwing, up she was sleeping people blood. that's what she told. crowd this evening. moments like that that were really gripping. seeing that footage firsthand. the hearing was overall, very visual, heavy, and i think that that was, i think of the committee is able to breakthrough to portions of the american electorate. that maybe aren't paying attention. it is those kinds of things that the video of montage that the most violent episodes of the insurrection, and really chilling and just sad testimony from people like caroline edwards that are gonna ultimately breakthrough. >> caroline edwards, a police officer, not a politician. neil from a legal perspective. what is your takeaway? what happens next? >> well i mean first of all, just before the lots, the impacts of the hearing in general. because for anyone who has doubts about the hearings and
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they were so many naysayers, stuff, i have a question, what would happen if the committee didn't have this hearing tonight? if congress never got a chance to speak for itself? and the hearings are about the legal issues and the perpetrators. but they are also a chance for congress to draw a line in the sand, and announced that violence against our democracy will never never be met with silence. now legally, a crime requires two things. it requires criminal intent, and requires a criminal. act and for criminal intent, the -- was really established today with respect to donald trump. and really powerful ways. donald trump was told repeatedly, he lost the election. he was told by his dad of people, he was told it by bill barr. their attorney general, and most devastatingly, his own daughter thought so. and said she agreed with bill barr. who called a poll sheds, and if bill barr knows about every, day he knows a bubble shot. and it was the respect of the
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criminal. act -- was so powerful, when liz cheney showed and went through this and said donald trump never called anyone. he sat by the capitol was under attack. didn't call the military, didn't call the national guard, didn't call the justice department, didn't call homeland security. instead, it took to pence and others to do that. and so, look i think that liz cheney in particular tonight, was beyond outstanding. i think i'm a pretty good lawyer. but she was she dead rivals anything i have ever seen in any courtroom, anywhere. and, also just across party lines and do that. i gotta say, if this country is going to make it through, and get with transcend this ridiculous partisanship, it's acts like that. and i'm saying this about someone who used to call me, she's the ads run against me calling me a member of justice al-qaeda seven and also it's of nonsense. was nonsense in the past, but tonight it was exactly right.
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on >> the day american people realize that about liz cheney? because liz cheney has just been painted as this anti trump politician. she is a true conservative republican. we are talking about dick cheney's daughter. and before the insurrection, she voted with donald trump over 90% of the time. so besides laying out a really good case tonight, did she lay out a case that reminded america that this is about democracy? not politics. >> she is the one that is constantly pointed, out this is about notes of the constitution. this is she is not going against donald trump, she is not going in favor of the democrats she is there for the constitution and i think she did an eloquent job of doing that tonight and i think people do need to realize, this is an act of political courage by her. she is not from a state where she can get by us some democrats vote for her. she is from a state where 70% of the people interstates are republicans. there is no way that there is enough democrats, if every
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single democrat voted for her. i don't think there would be enough to give our over the top, if in fact trump pick in wyoming, and of having the kind of vote totals that looks like she has right now. so the point, is history is going to be kind to liz cheney. history is gonna be cruel to other republicans. >> will history, will republicans be kind to liz cheney? we are about to see republican standup, we just watched offers, hearing we were, wrong trumps about, guy we are with us. however, are you going to see the national gop, maybe start to dial back, because they have been pushing hard against liz cheney for the last year and a half. >> no way, especially when she said what she said tonight! she is the one who called out the other republicans and said, donald trump would be gone and jarred dishonor will stay. she is going for it. and i don't think the other republicans are gonna bring her back into the fold. she is out there by herself. >> well, she is not out there by herself. no she's out there with the all constitution. >> there we go, all right. that she's out there with the
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constitution. >> constitution is that a lot longer, and then the rest of. as >> neil, watching this footage, how can you say this is anything but domestic terrorism? if this is not their domestic terrorism, i had no idea what is. >> i completely agree stuff, i don't think there is a question about that. if you are trying to defend these, folks you'll have a very hard time. i think one of the things i really liked about the committee did out is they took the easy case the domestic terrorism stuff they didn't dwell on it they, showed us all the things that we even folks like us who watch the stuff, a reminded of just how horrific it was. but then they link it to a larger story, a larger story about donald trump in particular. the weak thing that they did up first-person testimony. and the tiktok along with trump statements i thought was particularly brilliant. just nothing i want to say about history. that we were just having with claire a moment ago. i don't think that this is got liz cheney, and how she goes
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down in history. i for me it's about the history of event. memory is not an automatic process. we remember because people like liz cheney, fight to preserve the truth for the history books. no matter what the personal costas. and i am so, we can't follow, we have to follow hurley. we can't rely on someone sitting on a library one day to uncover the truth. so why this committee is doing, which she is doing, is bringing that out for the history books. not for her. but for all of us and that are our children. >> jacqui, it wasn't as dangerous but they did, it was wildly stupid. when you saw those insurrectionists, they were videoing themselves. i would think that if i rob the bank, i would be sneaking in with a bag over my head, and jumping into a getaway car. did they believe that donald trump was going to save them? it's amazing, it's like some of that footage we watched was there's. >> i think they did believe stuff. that's why a lot of them has gone to prison over the former
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president's orders. in that last montage, that the committee showed, to conclude the hearing. insurrectionists and their own word saying that they thought that president trump directed them to go to the capitol to commit these crimes. and they were just following through his orders. but, one of the lines that stood out to me, most, actually during the hearing, nick q said, the documentary who was embedded with enrique enrique tarrio leader of the proud boys, who was a far-right extremists on the night of january six. after he had this violent and bloody day embedded with them, and documents and what they were doing. he said that they went in and got on top of. those post insurrection. and to, me that really drove home this idea that the insurrection was just in plain sight. these people were not worried
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about, you think of enrique tarrio in that point in time was already a target for law enforcement. they were proudly posting on the internet and making very clear what they had been doing. it wasn't until really in the aftermath did day some have the realization that what they had done was wrong. substitute continue to deny what they did was wrong. just on the topic of liz cheney, the other line that really stuck with me as well during this hearing, was when she said that there will come a point when donald trump is gone, but your dishonourable remain. to me that is the top three of the lines that i think we heard this evening. >> let's talk about that point when donald trump will be gone. neil, do you think a criminal case against trump was laid out? >> i do. i absolutely. do it requires those to. things criminal intent, and a bad criminal act. both of those i think we're at
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least if not met tonight, enough evidence to really say that the justice department, you have to open an investigation, if you don't have one already, against donald trump. we know that there is an investigation, generally, about january six. we know that the attorney general has said they will follow the evidence wherever it leads. charge anyone no matter what their position or responsibility had been. but, i think now, the evidence is really, they have laid out a really careful way, what that case against trump looks like. it is building on steph, the decision of a federal, judge in california, judge carter, who relayed the opinion saying, after reviewing the evidence that congress put before him. he said, it is more likely than not that donald trump committed serious felonies, on january six. my fervent hope is that, if this was anyone else, there would be an obvious criminal investigation going on right now, with the justice department, and just because you are the president, doesn't
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or former president, doesn't make you above the law. if we are not gonna prosecute for something investigator, for something like this, what are we ever gonna prosecute for? what's is there that's more important than this? >> clare, i'm not sure what network he was watching, but i'm 100% sure mitch mcconnell was tuned in. what's he thinking tonight? he has no friend of donald trump's. >> no he cannot stand donald. trump >> hates. and >> he is worried about donald trump candidates winning republican primaries, which makes it harder for him to take that power. but you know what he's thinking tonight? well i sure hope gas prices stay really high. that's what he's thinking. because he really wants to distract the american public from the reality of what we saw tonight. and how complicit they all are in allowing trump to remain in this block grip position of power within their party. and i think he is hoping that the high gas prices, the inflationary pressure on our
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economy, will be enough for people to forget, that will change out the democrats. >> it's politics. >> do you think it successful? i know we are out of, time take me to missouri. take me to missouri, that is your state. tonight not people who are hard, that are hard glued, signature of a family in missouri. were they watching? >> first of all, no. most of them aren't. because my state has become very, very trumped. it is a very, he's a very popular guy in missouri. the vast majority of republicans call themselves trump republicans in missouri. so most of them were not watching. most of them will tell you, with a straight face, the election was stolen and donald trump won it. >> well that i am glad you spent a whole lot of time right here in new york city. clermont neal katyal claire mccaskill jackie alemany, thank you so much. coming up january six jamie raskin is here to share his thoughts on tonight's hearing. his take away on what my complicit and what is left to be done. the 11th hour just getting underway on this very important
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serving in our government taken oath to the constitution. as our founding fathers recognized, democracy is fragile. people in positions of public trust are duty bound to defend it, to step forward when action is required. in our country, we don't swear in oath to an individual or
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political party. we take our oath to defend the united states constitution. and that oath must mean something. tonight, i say this to my republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible -- there will come a day when donald trump is gone. but your dishonor will remain. >> a very powerful message from the january six committee vice chair liz cheney tonight. another member of the january 6th committee joins us now. maryland congressman jamie raskin. he was also the lead impeachment manager at trump's second impeachment trial. he has been busy over the last two years thank you so much for joining us tonight, i know it has been a busy one. by the it is done. i'm quite sure your democratic colleagues have called you, said it was a great night. but would i really want to know? have any republicans called you tonight? >> i do not appear to have any texts or emails from republican colleagues, other than liz and
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adam, i think. >> i want you to think back in time. when you decided to become a lawmaker, did you ever think that there would be a day that there would be a violent attack by americans on our capitol and the president of the united states would do absolutely nothing to stop it? because that's what you laid out for us tonight. >> the whole thing is surreal, if you can rewind to the days before trump was elected in 2016. because none of us ever expected a violent assault on congress in order to seize the presidency and steal a presidential election but that's what we all live through. so it was kind of traumatizing tonight to be thrust back into that immediate period. but i think that the country comes to its senses when people
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remember how utterly strange this is. can you imagine any president of the united states, from the very beginning -- washington and adams and jefferson and madison and monroe and john quincy adams, all the way up through barack obama -- though bush's and the clintons. can you imagine any president who would watch what we put on the hearing tonight and react with anything other than absolute horror and shock? and yet we have got a former president who -- not only has based his whole ideology around a lie, a lie that he actually is the president now and won the election and it's been stolen from him -- but continues to propel that and propagandized his followers with allies. and so they are in absolute denial about all of the facts and realities that we just made available for the entire american public to see. >> then, given that, is it
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frustrating to you, when you hear over and over, what's the programming going to be like? will a captivating audience? we would keep our attention? you just laid it out for the american people. is it not incumbent upon us to care about democracy? this isn't the finale of the sopranos you are putting on here. >> well, hey, i so appreciate that question, after so many media people want to know how exciting and how compelling and how news breaking. and all the bombshells and all that stuff. i appreciate what you are saying. look, the reality of the situation is just clear. we have a president of the united states who try to overthrow the presidential election that he lost in. and he tried seven different things that we are going to lay out in my new detail for people. but it ended up in a violent mob insurrection area tack on the capitol itself.
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and an attempt to coerce the vice president of the united states to step outside his constitutional role, to nullify electoral college votes that had been sent in by tens of millions of americans. so, it was a total assault on our constitutional order. and people are asking for more excitement, what [inaudible] next time. in any event, we are going to lay out with just documentary specificity and concrete notice all of these efforts to set aside the constitutional order, overthrow the presidential election and sees the presidency. and we are going to show with the inevitable result of that kind of autocratic and authoritarian attitude is, which is violence. we have to ask ourselves as a country -- exists what we want the 21st century to be like? do we want coups and insurrections? do we want civil war? do we want bloodshed in the
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streets of our state capitals or the u.s. capitol or school board meetings and so on. because people understand the way donald trump used these domestic violent extremist groups. but they've used him as well. they have grown in power. these are groups that could only gather 500 at their unite the right rally in charlottesville in august of 2017. now they were the vanguard stormtroopers of a rally of a march of tens of thousands of people that turned into a mob insurrection that nearly toppled the government of the united states and overthrew an election. that's a pretty heavy experience for these people. but we've got to make sure that the end of it. and that we are not going to dissolve into violent clans all over america. that can't be the future of the greatest multiracial, multi ethnic, multi religious constitutional democracy that ever existed. we've got to keep growing as a
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democracy. so, we've got to fortify our institutions. >> but sir, this isn't a trial. what can you do? when everyone saw tonight is as awful as you could possibly imagine. what can the committee recommend -- because that's what you can do, you can recommend -- what can you recommend that would prevent another january 6th? >> we are going to have a very broad series of recommendations. we haven't settled them, all of them, yet. but some of the prominent things that are being discussed our amendments to the electoral count act, to make sure that nobody can nullify the popular vote of the people in the states within the electoral college system. there are those of us who have believed that the electoral college system is itself a danger. and certainly a threat to democratic values. i don't know whether we will be able to get unanimity in the committee around that. but i think everybody should
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agree that we need to defend the right to vote at every level. and defend the integrity of our elections against proliferating efforts at subverting election integrity that are taking place in a lot of states around the union. so, we've got to work on that. then, there are a lot of things we can do, to physically fortify the capital capitol, certainly the windows should be shutter proof. so that extremists don't think we are a soft target in that way. and there will be a whole series of things that we can do. and i think we will take effective action here. ultimately, democracy is in the hands of the people all over america. and we've got to fortify democratic values in every state of the union. >> i know i am out of time. but then, i have to ask -- you can make recommendations. you know who can go for those? the department of justice. he went to harvard law. merrick garland was watching tonight. did you lay out enough that the
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department of justice will simply have to act now? >> well, we are furnishing greater and greater specificity in factual detail to the kinds of things that judge carter in california say had months ago now justified the belief that donald trump likely had committed federal offenses. and he laid them out. that donald trump was likely involved in the conspiracy to interfere with a federal proceeding, a conspiracy to defraud the people of america of our election. but look, i think the most effective thing that we did this evening was to demonstrate, beyond any doubt in anybody's mind, that all of this was based on donald trump's determination to keep the presidency based on a big lie. because the claims of electoral fraud, corruption and irregularity were all thrown out by more than 60 federal and state courts, including a judge is donald trump nominated
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himself. they were rejected by every federal department that donald trump went to. and yet, he's hell-bent to hunt termination on staying in office is wet made his whole sequence of horrific events unfold. >> congressman, thank you for joining me tonight. i know it has been a very long day. congressman jamie raskin from the state of maryland. thank you. coming up -- we will have even more of what we heard from the former president's inner circle. right there on the screen right now, you are looking at the first daughter and senior adviser to trump, ivanka trump. you know who she believed? bill barr, not her father. why all of this matters, when the 11th hour continues. 11th hour continues. you save more, so you can “woooo” more. - wooo. - wooo. wooooo!!!!! woohooooo!!!! w-o-o-o-o-o... yeah, feel the savings. priceline. every trip is a big deal.
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on certain terms that i did not see evidence of fraud. and that would have affected the outcome of the election. and frankly, a year and a half later, i haven't seen anything to change my mind on that. >> how did that affect your perspective about the election, when general barr made that statement? >> it affected my perspective. i respect attorney general barr. so, i accepted what he said, was saying. >> some of the most powerful elements of tonight's committee presentation, come from those very people. the former president's most
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loyal allies including isn't tierney general, and his daughter. with us tonight, msnbc political contributor, matthew dowd. former judge w. bush, and founder of country over party. former florida republican, congressman, carlos crow bellow. he is a member of the republican congress, conference, for the first two years of the trump presidency. matt. what does this do to the power and the brand of trump, going forward, pushing the big lie, looking to run again. well now we have all of this video of his innermost circle, saying, he was full of it. well i think the problem in america today has become much bigger than donald trump. i think obviously people need to be held accountable, and i think that's the step in that in order to get through yet to get the truth and accountability, and then you can get to a point where we all want, where the country can reconcile. and we can get past this not military civil war that we are in right now at this point.
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that would happen at the capitol, in my view, is as bad as anything our country has had since the civil war. since the opening shot of the civil war. but i think this virus, or this cancer, has tested in the republican party. son of donald trump went away, it's still a problem. because there is still a majority of the republican party that believes in the big lie. that pushes us more to autocracy each day. that doesn't seem to have an allegiance to the constitution. in the course of. this we absolutely need to do this, for austerity, we obviously need to do keep an eye on the. ball and our threats to democracy, including this, one and the ongoing threat to our democracy. but the threat is much deeper now. then donald trump. it has festered in a major political party. and that is troublesome for some country. >> not long ago, both you gentlemen your promise of that. party carlos, taking to those
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who know better. we see in that video, staff members, staff members on kevin mccarthy's team, running for their lives. and now the guy who worked for trying to discredit the whole thing. >> well staff, we heard kevin mccarthy's own words. immediately after the riot. >> okay but you know these people. what are they saying behind closed doors? they are in a bar right now watching this. what are they saying? >> everyone knows, anyone who talks to most republicans, in private, they all agree. this was a big lie. they agree with ivanka trump. for anyone that has any doubt, i think tonight, the fact that the president's daughter does not believe him, that should answer any question or any doubt. that anyone has and these house republicans are almost all of them, amongst all of the they would be a handful of tripoli voters there but almost all of them know that this is a massive lie. they know it led to this
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horrible insurrection, this mob that attacked the capitol, they are just trying to survive. they put their political survivor above the truth. but, it's different with matt a little bit. the tide is turning. we don't get a talk about it because. what happened then georgia is a big deal. a big deal! the truth one over trump's lie in georgia. we saw that in california. to a lesser degree on tuesday's primary. >> hold on. >> the tide is turning, i really think the truth is getting grounds. >> if the tide is really turning, if we look at georgia, raffensperger wang, brian kemp's want, you know standing with him? mike pence. is mike pence about the stand up and testify before this committee? unlikely. >> well i don't know if he will testify before the committee but he has spoken before the american people. he has told the american people that donald trump lied. he has lined up with liz cheney, adam kinzinger, mitch mcconnell to a lesser degree. mcconnell has also said, by the
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way, mcconnell has not dismissed this committee. mcconnell said that this committee's work is important. and that he was looking forward to hearing from. it >> mr. matthew dowd, i heard, video saying people saying hang mike pence. wouldn't brains with nooses hanging. do you really think mike pence has that up and stood up, say, this was wrong with happen to me? because i don't feel like i've heard it. >> i mean, i criticize mike pence over a number of things, and how much he's just acquiesce that trump over the last five or six years. i think in this instance, he did stand strong. you have to give him credit. he stood strong as the committee laid out, he stood strong on an immense pressure of the president of the united states. on a number of other republicans that, mike pence wants to be friends. with that he has any political future. mike pence and that moment, you can criticize him for a lot of other things. in that moment he such strong, and most of that. i do think, and i, listen, i'm with carlos, i look for every late ray of light, that there is rationality in the
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republican party, and that it'll return to a rational political party. that actually isn't true conservative principles and the constitution. and i look for everywhere. i think georgia is a ray. the problem is that there is a lot more race of darkness. what happens in, basically a big lie supporter is the nominee of the republicans in pennsylvania. j.d. vance is the nominee of big lie supporters, the nominee of u.s. senate in ohio. and look what's going on in michigan? we have a secretary of state, candidates a nut. a big republicans can't seem to get out of fraud is governor. the attorney general candidate push the big lie. donald trump endorsed him. in all of this. so he has less look for the rays of light, but the problem is the republican leaders in congress, are more concerned, as carlo said, about their political future. leaders are supposed to lead. people there not just a pulse to follow the worst instincts of people. and today, the worst instincts of people are being reflected by the leadership of the republican party. not, all but by the leadership and the republican party.
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and that's a problem. they are not telling the truth to their voters, overwhelmingly. they are not telling the truth to the voters. >> mike pence did certify the election. brian kemp still against trump. brad raffensperger said against trump. and joe biden. >> liz cheney, liz cheney. >> both of these guests are staying with. us we're gonna take a quick break. >>ic break. >> with parodontax active gum health. it kills 99% of plaque bacteria and forms an antibacterial shield. try parodontax active gum health mouthwash.
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carlos carmelo. before i cut you off before the break. you made sure to give a shout out to liz cheney. she is pretty far behind in the polls in wyoming. what she has done for the american people tonight, is that going to help or hurt her? >> well, i think liz cheney's goal is -- public service. i worked with liz cheney in 2000 and 2004. i've had criticisms of liz cheney, related to the iraq war and a number of other things i've had, of her. but i think she's much more worried. i mean, much more concerned about what happens with our democracy and our constitution than her political life. she is behind, as far as i can tell -- i don't dismiss the odds of her winning in that. i think her appeal to principled conservatism still does well but as i said earlier, she knows she's putting her political life on the line. and doing this on behalf of the
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constitution of the united states of america. and our democracy. and she is willing to lose her office because that's not the most important thing she holds their dear, as she holds here as our country. >> standing for the constitution, then wyoming. carlos, when you watch tonight, it's unclear if it help the committee, or if it helped democrats. but it definitively did not help donald trump. if you are in florida tonight -- that's your home state -- if you are on desantis, are you watching this? and seeing the lane get even clearer or wider for you to take on trump in 2024. >> tonight was -- >> democrats laid out a whole lot of attack ads tonight. >> tonight was definitely a great night for any rival of donald trump within the republican party. they won't criticize him publicly. they don't want to be associated with this committee because they don't like the way nancy pelosi put it together. but tonight was embarrassing for donald trump. to have his daughter on national television calling him a liar, essentially, siding with bill barr, who said what
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trump was repeating was bs. for ron desantis, this is a wonderful night, this weekend's trump. it diminishes him. so, desantis rode the trump wave. he has gotten off now, probably at the right time. >> matthew, do you think enough american people care about this? >> well, i think that's up to us, in part. that's up to the candidates running to make the argument about what this election is about, i think. i actually think that the direction of this committee was less about 150 million voters or hundred 10 million voters. and weighs more about how all of us -- what's the level of importance we put on certain issues. and i get inflation is troublesome and i get the price of gasoline is not going in the right direction. but if you look at the
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hierarchy of issues. our democracy should be above those -- >> okay, but matthew, i didn't ask when [inaudible] you walk into a bar in texas tomorrow night, the guy next to, is he going to be talking about the hearing or gas prices? >> he's probably going to be talking about the texas rangers are the houston astros, in all likelihood. that's what he's going to be talking about. or hoping the dallas cowboys can somehow put out the season next season, despite all their efforts. that's what they are going to be talking about. but i think it's up to us and i think it's up to leaders of both political parties who stand on principle -- about what this is about. >> if they like the cowboys -- what do you call the cowboys, america's team? -- about democracy. >> i don't call them america's team. i'm not a cowboys fan. >> thank you so much for joining us, tonight carlos curbelo, and matthew dowd. i appreciate you being here. coming up, a very timely reminder of what truly is all about. it's not about politics it's
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so, i have good news. we are going to prove that we have more votes than were recorded. >> the last thing before we go tonight, rigged, rinse, repeat. georgia republican gubernatorial candidate, candace taylor -- you just saw her on your screen -- you didn't know who she was, i didn't know who she was. but here's why it's important. she ran, notably, on jesus, guns and babies platform. she lost her primary, 16 days ago. when i say she lost, she lost big time. she got a measly 3.4% of the vote, way behind david perdue and way, way, way behind the incumbent, brian kemp. yet being the trump loyalist
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that she is, she knew exactly what to do next. she is now refusing to concede, claiming the election was rigged. a campaign spokesperson told the daily beast, quote, we have a national day to team working on the 2022 primary election fraud, more will be forthcoming. and quote. yeah. here's the thing, she has got a plan to prove that she actually received more votes than the election officials say. a big plan. watch this -- >> so, if you voted for me, if you cast a vote early, if you cast a vote on election day, or voted by absentee, i'm going to need you [inaudible] notarized with your signature and it's you stating and the testing to the fact that you voted for me in the republican primary in 2022, then that is going to stand up legally. so, they were actually trying to make me look stupid. and it's going to come back to bite them.
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because we are going to have way more than that in affidavits to show that we had more votes than them. >> no it is not, it is nonsense, it is silly, it's a foolproof plan. you're going to forget her name tomorrow. i'm going to forget her name in ten minutes. but here is why it matters. because in all seriousness, while this woman is going the -- the theatrical she is performing right, now they will not. and that's exactly why these january 6th hearings are so very important to our country. if there are no meaningful consequences for all the gaslighting, the false claims, for the blatant attempt to overturn elections, even more politicians are going to try to follow trump's dangerous playbook in the future and democracy as we know it is on the line. and on that really important and really serious note that everyone must care about, i wish you all a very good and very safe night. thank you so much for being here. from all of our colleagues across the networks of msnb


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