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learning about when the bill could be written and when the votes could happen. one member of senate leadership joining us live here this hour. on the other side of capitol hill, the january 6th committee's big hearing on the big lie. with testimony from members of former president trump's inner circle, saying he ignored advice to wait for accurate results from election night. and why the former attorney general said the former president became "detached from reality." plus, breaking news from wall street in the final hour of trading. take a look at this, stocks down almost 800 points. stocks are fall ag cross the board ahead of a big meeting by the fed this week on interest rates. also this hour, the new update coming in from idaho. what the police are now saying about the arrests of dozens of men linked to a white nationalist group and how they conspired to riot near a pride event. good afternoon. i'm jose diaz-balart in for hallie jackson this hour.
my news team is here with me. allie, where does this bipartisan framework on guns go from here? what's in the deal and what's not in the deal? >> yeah, what's in the deal is just as important as what's not in the deal. we have heard democrats, including joe biden, lay out things that he wanted to see in the senate framework. and some of the things he wanted in there are in there. others, though, are not. let's look first. you can see it on your screen as what is in this framework. and i'm saying framework, because this is not yet a written bill in terms of having text, which is why we only have people saying they're supportive of the framework, opposed to people like senator mitch mcconnell, saying specifically in some of his statements that he supports the negotiation opposed to the underlying bill itself. that's because that bill doesn't exist yet. you can see it on the screen, funding for states to implement red flag laws, that's early
interventions that someone who has people, a judge deems they should not have a gun. it will be temporarily taken away from them. enhanced background checks for gun buyers under 21. things like their juvenile records are taken into consideration as part of those background checks. they are clamping down on the boyfriend loophole, people with domestic abuse allegations, not being able to have a gun. that's something that senators across the party have said they wanted to crack down on for a long time, as well as ghost guns, cracking down on ghost guns, as well. all of those pieces of the framework there. of course, what's not in that bill. any kind of assault weapons age limit raise, as well as an outright ban on assault weapons. those were things we knew were not likely to be in this package. that's now confirmed, in addition to the focus we have heard from republicans on mental health and school safety, those are key tenants on this deal, as well. it's really important, this is a building that functions based on
the numbers. it's important to note that in this release we got yesterday, ten republicans are on board, mean thing can overcome a filibuster. but at the same time, we heard from our republican sources the idea would be to get as many republicans on board as possible. it's unclear, but at least we know now the baseline is ten, which means this does look, assuing nothing falls apart, like it's going to pass the senate. they are hoping to have the bill by the end of the week and is hopeful that schumer could do something on this next week. jose? >> john, how significant sit that lawmakers have come this far of passing the biggest gun law since the clinton years? >> yeah. it's is biggest -- will be the biggest change in federal gun laws since the assault weapons ban in 1994, which of course expired ten years later. this is a big deal. it's clearly not everything that gun control advocates want.
they wanted to ban assault weapons. that's not going to happen. they want to raise the age to buy a semiautomatic rifle to 21. that's not going to happen. you know, so they're definitely making concessions. but gun rights advocates, the guns rights groups are already coming out against this legislation. this is some pretty -- it's done a huge step forward, but it's a step for ward and it's been so long since congress has done anything on guns that it's unbelievable to see. i told people, i was here in columbine and they talked about it and didn't do anything. after sandy hook, i was here they talked about it and didn't do anything. this is the first time in decades congress is doing something on guns. it is just start something where. i think that's a lot of senators of both parties are saying we have to show that the congress works, at least in a minimum way to address a crisis facing the american people.
>> john, who are you going to be looking at as far as the senators from many of the republican senators. that would presume that all of the other republicans would be on board on this, you know, to get that -- the ten, right? who are you looking at? >> well, on the republican side, mcconnell is the first one. it's likely he'll vote for this. lisa murkowski from alaska may vote to this, but she faces a primary this year. you look at marco rubio from florida, rick scott. scott signed a red flag law and talks about that. rubio has also pushed red flag laws. i think we'll look at -- we'll see where, you know, where does jody ernst and chuck grassley of iowa come down? joni ernst is the leadership. and grassley is in cycling
phases, re-election in november, not sure he'll go for it. they are split, and the closest allies of mitch mcconnell will support this. the ones we have to watch for, john thune, senate minority whip from south dakota. again, up for re-election. you'll see westerners and first-term republicans i think they'll oppose this. you'll see more senior republicans. i think they will take a look at this legislation. i don't think it will get a majority of republicans, but anything again is a step forward on this issue. >> yeah. and you've been speaking to people who have been paying their respects at robb elementary in uvalde. what is their reaction? >> reporter: this news has been met with a lot of positivity and
support here. people feel like this is the least lawmakers can do frankly at this stage. at the same time, people on the ground here are hesitant to pat lawmakers on the back, because they understand this is not a law, it's not even a bill yet, it's just a deal. i think there's some anxiety it could fall apart. take a listen at the conversations we had here on the ground. >> i'm encouraged with any talk or conversation about gun violence. that in itself is encouraging. i just want to see action. >> i think the bipartisan deal that they may pass is a small first step. i think they have a long way to go. >> reporter: interestingly, this is an area where w a lot of gun owners a lot of people
supportive of the second amendment. but pretty much everyone i spoke to wants to see change. they believe addressingmental health is an important piece of it. everyone has said an 18-year-old should not be able to get their hands on a weapon like this. this is one of the first time i have seen so much positivity around a bipartisan deal like this, to see so much excitement frankly. and i think the -- it's an interesting blend, because people here are hurting, they're very angry. it's been almost three weeks but it feels very raw for most people here. so at least they have this to feel like this is a step forward. it's the type of action taken. while on the local level, there's so much people want here. there is an ongoing investigation at multiple levels and people are worried they're not going to get the answers. but this is one thing they see moving forward. >> thank you all very much for being with us this afternoon. we're also closely following wall street where stocks are
down sharply in this last hour of trading. almost at 775 down, nearly 780, right? the u.s., there are worries that the u.s. could be headed for a recession. right now, the dow, nasdaq, s&p 500 indexes deeper into the red. the s&p 500 now has slipped back into what's known as bear market territory, which represents a 20% drop from the most recent high. i want to bring in stephanie ruhle. it's always great to see you. a lot of focus on the big fed meeting this week. what is that going to do, and why the importance of that meeting? >> well, listen, the big concern right now, jose, is inflation. obviously prices very high, specifically gas prices. and are we possibly going into a recession? and the one tool that the government can use belongs with the federal reserve, raising interest rates. we're getting ready for a two-day meet where can the fed is expected to raise rates half
a percentage point. some are saying they would like to see it being three quarters of a point. here's where it matters. if the fed gets this right, hopefully they can slow down the rate of inflation. if they raise rates too much too quickly, that could push us -- that means it becomes too expensive for businesses and individuals to borrow, and we could see them say hold on, it's hard to operate by miz. but we are in a very, very strong job market right now, and the financial woes that we're facing, the inflationary pressure not unique to the united states. sit happening around the world. we know we still have supply chain issues with so much still being shut down in china. of course, because of the war, that's impacting food prices, commodity prices and gas prices. so this isn't ending in the near future, but it's not unique to the u.s. talk to people in canada, mexico, the uk. it's a problem around the world. >> i'm so glad you mentioned
that, because sit a global issue. and the entire global community is affected. you know this more than most, the prices of the basic food stuffs that a family requires to live on, the prices of milk and eggs and chicken and almost the basic food stuffs are through the roof. gasoline continues to go higher and higher. it broke threw that $5 a gallon, and if you are talking diesel, which is required for all the transportation that we have in our country, it is -- and i just think, is this something that is the new normal, do you think? >> it's the new normal. and it's a huge problem. the biden administration refers to gas prices as the problem from hell. ky rationalize all day long and say it's a global issue. but you or are are going to fill up that gas tank, compared to last year, it's costing families
$160 more a month to pay for gas. the one thing to think about, we're not seeing people change their lifestyles so much. at least not yet. as we head into the summer, we expect a huge travel summer, people flying, driving. those things cost a lot of money, and we haven't seen many americans cancel their plans, at least not yet. >> stephanie ruhle, host of "the 11th hour," great seeing you. thanks. >> thank you. later this hour, we'll talk to one of the 20 senators about what happens next with that bipartisan gun framework. and next, what the attorney general said about the january 6th hearing and whether he and prosecutors are watching. plus, an update from officials in idaho where we are learning about the dozens of men arrested near a pride event over the weekend. why give your family just ordinary eggs
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today's second public hearing of the january 6th committee taking aim at what they call former president trump's big lie. this in reference to what the select committee called an intentional effort to discredit election results after and before the contest was even held. the committee releasing new testimony from trump officials detailing how some of them tried and failed to convince a president that his efforts to uncover voter fraud and other irregularities were pointless, as the committee lays out what could be ground for criminal charges against president trump. attorney general merrick garland telling reporters he and the investigators are paying attention. >> i am watching, and i will be watching all of the hearings. although i may not be able to watch all of it live. but i'll be sure i will be watching all of it. i can assure you that january 6th prosecutors are watching all the hearings. >> i want to bring in my
correspondents. what did the committee try to show today and how did it do it? >> this second hearing wrapped up with the committee members playing a clip of inside the capitol, those rioters chanting "stop the steal" in an effort to connect the dots here with what the trump campaign became after the election, and really how that culminated over a month into what we saw in the capitol that day, that stopped that steal rally with the rye yoerts -- rye yoer rioters chanting. the committee cut clips of mr. stepien's testimony that they say was sufficient enough to prove their point. he delved into the inner workings of the campaign how
this conspiracy was born the night of the election when fox news called the state of arizona for joe biden. and from there this conspiracy grew. we talked about how several members in trump's inner circle, allies, attorneys, him, even kevin mccarthy urging the president to stop spreading these continued claims of a fraudulent election. then we heard from former fox news political editor chris stirewalt who came under fire for defending the network's decision to call arizona. he is an important witness for the people who think the election was stolen, because he talked about how even if the network hadn't called arizona, that the margins didn't add up for the trump campaign, that there was no chance for the trump campaign winning this election. the key witness was again former attorney general bill barr who we heard from in the first hearing in the prerecorded testimony clips. we heard a few more of them
during this hearing. bill barr giving insight into the president's thinking and mood around this time, saying before the election it was possible to talk to the president. he said after the election he didn't seem to be listening, that the president was detached from reality. take a listen to some key parts of the testimony throughout this hearing. s >> i do know they came up in subsequent conversations with the president, and we simply told him, we looked into that and it's just not true. >> i remember saying that, to the best of my memory, i would say we should not declare victory. >> i did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff which i told the president was bull [ bleep ]. >> reporter: and the committee, again, with this wider goal of connecting the dots here, presenting the case to the american people, but also the
justice department for what they say -- they said in several sunday shows that they believe they have sufficient evidence to charge trump with crimes here. as you mentioned, attorney general merrick garland commenting, saying he's watching this hearing. but the question is, if he does find evidence of crimes, how quickly will he act or will he act at all? >> yeah, interesting, because bringing up what he was talking about, when we're hearing all these officials they told the president directly and of and over again that he had not won, he had lost the elections. is this part of a narrative being woven of the president's possible criminal responsibility in this? >> i think that will be up to the justice department. that's why merrick garland says his lawyers are watching very carefully. but what struck me today was
this relentless wave of voice after voice, adviser after adviser, and we should note, republican after republican coming forward from trump's most inner circle, saying we told him the election results could take a while and to not go out and declare victory. we told him from the beginning, you should not go out and say you won. we know he went out the morning after and said we did win this election. telling him these claims of voter fraud are baseless. even after each case is dismissed, to continue to find and dig up some voter fraud. if there was any doubt going into this that maybe president trump did not understand he hadn't won or thought there might be some basis to continue these voter fraud allegations and investigations. this hearing really did away with that. those closest to him, experts around him, people who have been doing this for years and year, were telling him over and over again, you did not win, and
these claims are baseless. and then we saw key advisers leaving the administration as a result of this. i found that to be interesting. but also from the committee's perspective, we know this is just the second day of them laying out the case, the decision to rely almost wholly upon republican vices today, we know this is a committee of seven democrats, two republicans, they claim they are bipartisan, even though republican leadership will attack them as being a partisan and political endeavor, they are working very hard to put forward voices that they feel could be trusted by anyone, regardless of your political background, to say this isn't a matter of politics. these are facts we know to be true, and here they were, putting forward the facts in front of then president trump, telling him he did not win, there is no voter fraud. >> politics with a capital "p" is behind a lot of everything. i'm just wondering, joe biden
and the white house have been relatively quiet about what we're seeing and learning. why is that? >> a couple reasons in particular. we just noted earlier, there could be additional law enforcement action or criminal investigations coming out of this they don't want to get involved with that. and a white house adviser told me, this is meant to be a credible and thorough investigation and they don't want to interfere with any political things. they don't believe the president's power of his mess avenlg and his voice should be used in this way. they want these to move forward. they want it to movvia a credible moment. we heard the president weigh in when he talks about the threat to democracy.
he said before january 6th was not just an attack on the capitol but an attack on american democracy. that's why to make sure something like the events of that day never happen again. jose? >> thank you both for being with us this afternoon. i sew so appreciate it. new details after 31 members of what is believed to be a white supremacist group were arrested in idaho over the weekend. police say they were equipped with shields, shin guards, one smoke grenade and one riot gear. police gave an update on the investigation just last hour. >> i think some of us were a bit surprised by not only the level of preparation that we saw, but the equipment that was carried and born by those individuals, along with the equipment left in the van when the stop happened. that level of preparation is not something that you see every
day. >> police stopped suspects after a person calleded 911. joining me now is gadi schwartz. what more did we learn today after the press conference? >> reporter: well, it looks like the majority of them have bonded out of jail for about $300, which is standard for the single charge that they were facing. meanwhile, ever since those arrests, police say they have been getting a barrage of calls, 149 calls have come into the police department since. half of them commending officers. the other half either cussing them out or making death threats against the police chief himself or other officers. but the chief is adamant that the officers prevented a riot. he says it was all thanks to that citizen that called in that tip that reported what was described as a small army of men, loading into the back of a
u-haul, and they made the arrests inside. police say they found those riot shields and gear, at least one smoke bomb, and jose, a detailed plan to use that smoke bomb with language that sounded a lot like wanna be military operation with terms like, appropriate levels of confrontational dynamic. so the mayor's response to all of this was very direct. hate has no place in coeur d'alene. take a listen. >> we are the same city that we were last week, and that city is the city that respects everyone, that welcomes everyone, that accords the basic human rights to everyone. >> reporter: again, the mayor and the police chief very adamant that the action taken prevented a riot. jose? >> gadi schwartz, thank you very much. next, what do voters think
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voters in nevada are set to cast their votes in tomorrow's primaries. one has received the backing of republican heavyweights, including president trump and ron desantis. this will set up a matchup between the incumbent democrat, considered the most vulnerable senator, whose seat sup for grabs this november. i want to bring in our correspondent, who is in reno for us. you spent the weekend with the two leading republican candidates. what did you learn? >> reporter: jose, they couldn't be more different. on one side, you have sam brown, retired army captain, who was knocking on doors. hiss messages is, if we were senator, he could push for change that would benefit
nevada. he says catherine cortez has lined up with democrats on a national agenda, but has not put the people of nevada as a priority. his attacks are much more moderate on her. then you have adam laxalt, who is going around las vegas and other towns, talking to voters, attacking democrats for essentially everything that's wrong in nevada. people here are upset because of inflation, high gas prices, the cost of housing. adam laxalt's message is democrats are responsible for all of these issues. so it's a much more aggressive message. and he has been backed by donald trump. donald trump, jr. was in town with his campaigning. and his personal friend, ron desantis, who said they have been friends before they were in politics. let's hear from what they said to the voters over the weekend. >> the people of nevada are fed
up and want something different. >> adam laxalt has relied on political celebrities to come in and do the heavy lifting for him. people have been burned by their twitter followership t or if they have enough views. that doesn't deliver results for an american people who are hurting. >> sam brown said laxalt is a showman. if we won this primary, he face catherine cortez, who is the most vulnerable incumbent senator. so we're looking at some of these polls here. that's why the numbers are, with adam laxalt at the lead, jose. >> guad, thank you very much. while members of the january 6th committee have taken on the roles of investigators, their day job is representing millions
across the country. constituents who don't all agree with the work the committee is doing. that's true of liz cheney from wyoming, who has been banished to the outskirts of her party after she criticized donald trump. as she lays out the case in d.c., wyoming republicans will volt in august to decide whether she should be their nominee in this year's midterms. nbc news is on the ground in wyoming, getting a sense of her being out of lock step is helping or hurting her midterm chances. i want to bring in john allen from jackson hole, wyoming. john, what did you learn from speaking to folks there? >> reporter: good to see you. what i learned from wyoming, not just here in jackson hole, which is a little bit of a liberal island in the middle of a sea of republicanism, and also in casper and cheyenne, is the republican party here is fed up with liz cheney.
that's not to say there respect some moderates that support her. i talked to some folks like that. but there is this belief she no longer represents a party who went heavily for donald trump. he got 70% of the vote here in 2020. so for her, the real challenge is to cobble together that group of anti-trump republicans, as well as some crossover democrats, folks who are allowed to switch their registration here late, and vote in the other primary. and then try to find some third group, perhaps some trump cheney voters who are quiet right now in a very polarized time. >> cheney has been outraising her opponent by millions. is that war chest going to be enough? >> i'm not sure it is. even liz cheney's allies say it's going to be an uphill battle for her, and enemies say it's more like an up-mountain battle. she does have a huge cash
advantage, and presumably what she will do with that is spend as much money as she can to try to knock down her main republican rival, and there are five republicans running, including cheney and harriet hageman, who has donald trump's endorsement. from the polling we have seen so far, which comes from hageman allies, she has about a 30-point lead. i asked cheney's campaign for internal polling and they declined to give it. >> john, i know that you have been speaking and you just said it at the beginning with all kinds of people throughout that state, show us a little bit of what they had to say. >> i certainly support her 100%. i think she's very bright. i think she's very moderate. and i hope she gets re-elected. but i think it's 50-50. >> she doesn't represent the people that want her there.
she's supposed to be conservative and for what common people want, and she's not playing that role at all. >> i appreciate the stand that she's taking. i know it's not popular with some, but it's certainly popular with me. i think bringing character back to our culture is important. >> john, i'm just wondering -- i'm sorry. >> i was just going to say, there is a wide spectrum of views. >> john, sit all because -- i mean, cheney has a conservative voting record. is it all trump for cheney? >> reporter: it's almost all trump. there is a piece who have been watching national politics, the cheney name is ynonymous with wyoming. but some folks believe she's a carpet bagger, having grown up in virginia. it is mostly about her going
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43 past the hour. a little over 15 minutes before the stock market closes. take a look at how the dow is doing right now. almost 1,000 points down. that is a significant number. we're going to keep watching that for you throughout the hour here. i want to just take a look how at some of the other top stories we're following right now. mexico's government reported that at least 37 migrants have died this year, trying to reach the u.s. 33 of them drowning in the rio grand river, four women, 32 men
found dead, most without identification. this doesn't count the countless people who die in the jungle or going through mexico. the supreme court ruling that undocumented immigrants facing deportation can be held indefinitely without a bond hearing. in a unanimous decision, justices saying immigrants can be detained more than six months without the chance to be released on bond. this is the third time in four years, the supreme court rejected bond hearings for detained migrants. in ohio, republican governor mike dewine signed a bill that makes it easier for teachers to carry guns in schools. the new law reduces the amount of required gun training teachers need to carry a firearm from 700 hours to less than 24. school districts will have the ability to assign armed teachers as school security. while it was opposed by some
teacher's unions, the bill's sponsor says the new law is necessary to make up for slow response times in rural areas. meantime, just moments ago on -- chuck humor with more. >> once this is finalized, and i hope it will be as soon as possible, i will put this bill on the floor quickly, so the senate can move quickly to make gun safety reform a reality. >> i'm joined now by senator debbie stabenow, democrat from michigan, who wanted the 20 senators to sign on to this bipartisan gun framework. she serves as chair of the democratic policy and communications committee. it's always great seeing you. thank you for being with us. senator, i want to just talk about big picture. what were these negotiations like? what was the part you found most significant and important? and what part do you wish would
have been in on it? >> well, jose, it's always wonderful to be with you. i would say what was most significant is that we had bipartisan discussions at a level we have not had before as it relates to gun safety. and there was a seriousness, people were leaning in and trying to find a spot to be able to land. i mean, obviously, on the gun safety provisions, i would go much farther as my democratic colleagues would. but this is meaningful. it's a step forward. it will save lives. i led, along with my colleague senator roy blount, the discussions around mental health and in the area of services, community, quality community services across the country as well as in our schools, this is a gigantic step, something we've been working on for a long time. >> senator, it's just so
interesting to hear you talk about significant, serious discussions and negotiations with senators. it's like that's the definition of the legislative process, and that's what should happen. and yet, senator, it's been so difficult. why? >> well, we know, this has been all about the money and the power of the nra and this stranglehold that they have had on the republican party. this is why i think it's very significant the conversations that we have had. people know we have to act, we have to do something. we can come together on things that are common sense that is supported by 90% of the american public. i have to say, i spoke last weekend at a rally in the capital in michigan, and somewhat everyone said was, please do something. start the process. take steps. we know it won't be everything that we all want, but we've got
to move. we can't -- thoughts and prayers, you know, right now i can hardly stand it when i hear people say that on the floor of the senate. and so this is about beginning to move and understand. we have a gun violence epidemic in this country. we don't have to live this way. and it's time for everybody to start moving and do something about it. >> and senator, two sources tell nbc news that the framework, as you all have agreed to, could cost between $15 to $20 billion. what are you hearing about that? >> well, we are fully paying for whatever we're doing, so that's the good news. so all of the investments in mental health services, including 24-hour psychiatric
crisis services. police continue want people sitting in the emergency room when they need help. we have demonstrated now what you can do with the right investments that save money in other places. so we will be moving forward to focus on schools and communities and really supporting what needs to be done around mental health services and it's fully paid for. >> and senator, any thoughts on, you know, has this conversation even started to be whipped? is there some thought about how the republican side could do on this? >> i really believe that we will have more than ten republican colleagues. we'll see. we don't know. but, again, people -- when you look at this, when you look at just the common sense nature of tightening up what happens to someone who is under 21, you know, comprehensive background
checks for everyone is what i would like to see. but if we can get comprehensive background checks for someone under age 21 and the process that will essentially create a waiting period before they can get a weapon, a requirement that the local police local police department be notified to give a head's up when you think about uvalde and the fact that an 18-year-old bought two assault weapons, if the local police department had been notified of that, they certainly would -- i'm sure have checked out what was going on, and so that's significant tightening what we're doing on gun trafficking as well as making the gun license dealer process more -- more accountable and doing more on domestic violence victims. they're worth doing and this whole package is worth doing. >> senator, just finally, when you talk about this, this is
beginning to move on something that needed to be discussed, is this a series of moves on the senate on gun control or is this kind of like an important step that should stand on its own. >> well, jose, i think we have to say let's take this step and then i think colleagues on the other side of the aisle will find that they are embraced by the vast majority of the people in the country who will thank them for joining in this bipartisan effort and then we'll see what happens from there. >> senator, debbie stabenow, i thank you so much for being with us this afternoon. >> thank you upon. >> next, russian forces move into the center of a key ukrainian city. when we know about the thousands of civilians and thousands of people that are still trapped inside. t are still trapped inside wow! it's been 38 years since we were here.
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points. the losses accelerated the markets tumbling on renewed inflation could push the economy into a recession. abc news senior business analyst stephanie ruhle is back with us. i am a lucky man. stephanie, what's going on? that's, like, almost a thousand-point drop. what's going on? >> i wish i had good news. i don't. all eyes are really going to be on the fed because it's a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't. what we need to slow down these rising prices is for rates to go up, but if rates go up too much and if the fed is too aggressive then it will make it harder to borrow and who is that difficult for? businesses. so when we look at the stock market, what are stocks? big, public businesses, people can start to say i'm not going to pay these prices and that's not good for business and if the fed raises rates a whole lot it will make it difficult for those
businesses to borrow, grow and hire. it's just a difficult spot right now. >> stephanie ruhle, thank you so very much. we appreciate it. it's day 110 of russia's war in ukraine. here's what we know right now. russian forces pushed into the center of the city, main city if the donbas, the regional governor there says all bridges to the eastern city have been destroyed making it impossible to evacuate civilians still inside. russia is just about one step away from conquering the entire luhansk region closer of its goal of overtaking the entire donbas. ukraine's national police chief says he's investigating the deaths of more than 1200 civilians after russia's withdrawal from kyiv at the end of march. authd orits have uncovered 1300 bodies in that region. nbc news has learned there's no established playbook about what the u.s. would do here in washington if russia deployed nuclear weapons.
u.s. intelligence official remains unlikely, but there is little consensus on what the response would be. joining me now from kyiv, nbc news correspondent ali oruzi, good afternoon. what are you hearing from ukrainians who decided not to leave and are still living there amongst the violence. >> they are living under simply appalling conditions still occupied. there's no running water, the gas, the sanitary conditions are terrible. that's pretty much the case in the luhansk district and we're getting more and more reports out of mariupol where they completely occupied it and there is a cholera outbreak there because the streets are so dirty and the streets are strewn with dead bodies and eyewitnesses have told us that directly and the places that they retreated from, they left a trail of destruction, tearing apart communities and families and we were in borodianka which are one of the suburbs of kyiv and we
spoke to maria. she was hiding in a shelter with her daughter, son-in-law and two grandchildren when the russians shelled it. her daughter and son-in-law were crushed to death in front of her eyes in borodianka when the russians were full-on assault there. let's take a listen to what maria had to tell us. >> translator: so many people lost their children, and they are alive. it was a perfect family. >> her grandchildren are now living in poland, jose, and just walking around that area where she lived, the stench of death was still so prevalent there. it's hard to imagine how people are living under those circumstances. she's now in temporary housing. >> ali arouzi in kyiv, thank you so are have much. that wraps up this hour for me. thank you for the privilege of your time.
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♪♪ ♪♪ hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. big day. the second public hearing by the january 6th select committee focused on the baseless conspiracy that ultimately led to the attack on the u.s. capitol. the myth that millions of americans to this hour still believe that the big lie that the election was stolen from donald trump and how the chief proponents of the big lie, the disgraced ex-president and his innermost circle knew that the big lie was just that, a lie, and used it anyway to spawn a conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election. arguably, it's difficult to say this out loud. the star witness of today's witness was trump's own a.g., bill barr, the man who carried water for trump for years until he broke with the big lie