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weapons, so the fear is this is going to go on for a listening time until putin get what is he wants. >> i know the nightmare scenario for many ukrainians was the world would look away when russia became most aggressive and brutal. that seems to have come to pass. we're lucky you're there doing your reporting for us. thank you. stay safe. >> our thanks to all of you for letting us into your homes during these truly extraordinary triems. we're so grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. hi, ari. >> hi, nicole. welcome to "the beat." we start with the new january 6th evidence that's send out shock waves and it's out from the committee right now. trump committee lawyer eric hirschmann, he's maga, you may have seen his name pop up in the hearings, but this is new tonight talking about his discussions with the lawyer at the center of the plotting, john
eastman. one day after, january 7th, eastman was still talk at trying the get some way to overthrow then president-elect biden's incoming administration, preserving information out of georgia. this is the new testimony. >> eastman -- i don't remember why he called me, or he texted me or called me, wanted to talk with me, and he said he couldn't reach others. and he started to ask me about something dealing with georgia, preserving something potentially for appeal. and i said to him, are you out of your eff'ing find? i said, i only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on -- orderly transition. i said i don't want to hear any other eff'ing words come out of
your mouth other than orderly transition. repeat your words to me. >> what did he say? >> eventually he said orderly transition. i said, good, john. now i'm going to give you the best free legal advice you're ever getting in your life. get a great criminal defense lawyer. you're going to need it. and then i hung up on him. >> then he hung up. that's new testimony. when a lawyer tells another lawyer to get an eff'ing criminal defense lawyer, that is never a good sign. now, we have this brand-new -- just came out late in the day, because liz cheney shared that. the committee of course has revealed some of the evidentiary and testimonial fruits, so we're seeing them in a new way. that was released by the committee and put out online as a video. in this era people can watch that themselves. all this coming amidst revelations about trump lawyer
giuliani. consider just some of the testimony against him from trump's top allies and loyalists. in this hearing he was described under oath at inebriated, buffoonish, erratic, and -- and now we're seeing giuliani speaking out. he's denying he was intoxicated on election night, joining forces to push back. >> it was the same cast of characters -- bennie thompson and shifty schiff. the completely hysterical liz cheney who's gone off her deep end. >> that's knew. he's referencing vice chair cheney by the name of her sister. and basically bannon is awaiting
trial for defying this committee. he faces up to two years in prison after last night's bombshell deposition from attorney general bill barr. all this is coming into view why some may not want to cooperate and others are. bannon saying he'll go after in some waybill barr. >> i told him it was crazy stuff. >> bill barr, we're coming for you, bro. you're sitting there lie about this. >> detached from reality. completely bogus and silly. based on complete misinformation. >> we're not just going sit here anymore. the days of maga sitting here and our betters telling us what it is. >> they were idiotic claim, complete nonsense. shuttling out to the public was [ bleep ]. >> we're going to deconstruct this and we're going to rub your nose in it and then we're going to come after you legally. >> there you have it. what we just showed you is some of what barr said under oath and what bannon and giuliani are
pushing back on today. what you're going to see is new evidence coming down tonight which our experts will respond to. the committee is breaking through. the committee has giuliani responding, the committee has bannon making threats. there's a larger context for all this. if you watch this program and the way we try to cover the news and facts, we go to the sources, we talk the people who are willing to describe what they were doing inside the trump administration. we did that when they were in government, we've done it after. some of them have arguments to make. some have factual defenses. but some don't want to discuss the facts, whiches the purpose of this set of hearings. some of them want to just openly warn that if they get back in power, if republicans win elections, they will -- and many of them were in power before -- they expect to get into power to work with a republican white house and to abuse power. that's one of the very things under investigation here about this ex-president trump. this is not normal. this is a revenge play book that
involves, sometimes avows, to abuse future power to turn this into a putin, russian-style state where people imprison their enemies. we've seen some of this, and that's part of the response giuliani and bannon seem to be -- i'll say seem to be -- warning about in their response today, that power, if gained, will be abused. >> we're going to fit you for an orange jump suit, tony. you can count on that. i'll take biden and every single senior staff member in there -- >> and do what? >> i'll put them with subpoenas and, we'll start with the impeachment of biden. if they want to play that game, we'll play it right back. they hit us, we hit them back. >> oh, here's what -- now, we turn to the guests as promised. attorney maya wily, see yee of the conference for civil rights.
maya, we put together the response, because it's not just giuliani and bannon saying, we disagree, or something was misinterpreted. they have every right to discuss the allegations and facts offered by the committee. what does it mean, and should it be normalized that part of the response, including from mr. navarro, who also awaiting trial, is threatening to abuse power? >> this should not be normalized, ari, because one of the reasons the hearings are so important is because we're trying to save democracy here. that was an attack on democracy on january 6th. it was an attack by groups that were extremists, were hate groups. we've already heard powerful evidence. but if you dial it back to what has been successful about trump-ism in terms of gaining power for those who -- and i'm saying trump-ism intentionally, because it's not all of republicans, right? it's not just about partisanship. it's about trump-ism.
it has always used misinformation to misinform the public to drive opinion. and so one of the important aspects of this committee, which is bipartisan, is to say, hey, not democrat, not republican -- facts. and facts that go directly to democracy. so you are absolutely right, ari, when you say, don't just listen to -- listen to, one, how they're actually using arguments that are misinformation and disinformation again. right? antifa -- this is an argument that unfortunately, before the hearings, about half of republicans believed that the violence on january 6th was perpetrated by antifa, not white hate groups and extremists. that's not factually accurate. but the other part is the threats, the bullying. that's the trump tactic. we've seen it from him before, from his camp. but it's also an extremist tactic and we should call it for
what it is. it's extremism, and we should remember that rudy giuliani's a suspended law license because he was considered an imminent danger because of his misinformation and disinformation. >> yeah. and that comes, again, amidst bannon, navarro and others talk about turning these tables on their would be investigators. emily, your response to that as well as that new video i played, which is brand new, we just aired it for the first time, which is -- i emphasize, these are trump appointees white house counsel sayingu going to need an eff'ing lawyer. a lot of swearing. not to make light of it. he said, you're going to need an eff'ing lawyer for the crimes you're involved in. how do we stack that against the fact that mr. eastman has not been charged with anything right now? >> i think you're seeing a real divide amongst lawyers. you're seeing bill barr, the white house lawyer you just
showed, standing up for the rule of law. now, they didn't do that publicly at the time, and i think we can take a minute to think about what a difference it would have made if they had done that. but now you're hearing this scorn from them toward these other lawyers who are partisan all the way down, who don't seem, in their view, to be respecting the rule of law at all, and who are willing to go way past trying to win an election toward trying to steal an election. so i feel like there's that sort of tribal difference in how to be a lawyer here. and, you know, to your question about criminal liability, we'll just have to see. but it is getting harder and harder to deny that trump had a lot of people around him telling him the truth that he had lost this election. and so the idea that he didn't have the mind set -- i mean, he would have had to be what prosecutors call willfully blind to not absorb this message. >> right, and i think that has
come through really clearly in the committee's evidence thus far. all of this builds to what people are actually asking -- if you had an actual coup or people indicted, if trump's campaign chair, now indict for the second time is in trouble, if trump's white house adviser navarro is in trouble, sooner or later becomes the question, who's the beneficiary? and should he be charged? i want to play a couple things for the viewers. we were discussing with rachel just last night, chairman thompson said something that sounded like he would not ever see his committee as having the authority to refer a criminal case to doj. i also asked another committee member about it. take a look. >> that is still something the committee is working through as we continue to collect evidence, and as we present it to the public, so there's not a determination made on that, but i can say personally from my own perspective, this man broke the
law. >> but the panel would recommend that the doj charge trump with some sort of crime or crimes related to january 6th, would the panel do that? >> no. >>u ruling it out right now? >> we don't have to authority to. >> quote, we don't have the authority. fact check, famous there's a method for congress to make contempt referrals and criminal referrals. that may have been something of a misstatement, because actually chairman thompson then spoke again to nbc just today. >> it's not off the table, a criminal referral is not off the table? >> who said it's not off the table? >> i think some may have interpreted your comments yesterday. >> that's some people. >> mr. thompson has a lot of respect in the committee, but this does sound like a somewhat politician's response, that some people, but in all fairness and
accuracy, he did say yesterday they didn't have the authority, and that would represent a public split over the issue. consider what liz cheney said. quote, the committee has not issued a conclusion regarding potential criminal referrals. she made a point of sharing that in public, emily and maya, and it would seem that while this has been a very airtight case thus far, and they don't clearly want the get into this question until the end, this would seem to be spilling into the open the debate over whether to indict. so maya, we've discussed before, there's no automatic switch, there's nothing the committee can do that can make doj charge, but there is a possible authority they can use or not, and they have the authority of this bully pulpit. they can end this thing by saying there's a case to charge him, or they could say nothing, or they could say, we don't think there's a case to charge him. what do you think of this spilling out in the open now? maya? >> well, i think what we're
hearing is the fact that people are still trying to game out, what's the best -- and as we know, these are people elected to office. they have constituents. their constituents also have feelings about this. and i think that's part of what we're hearing is that there are folks saying, look, if it was you or me, ari, we would be already under investigation. we would be under investigation based on the news headlines. quite a number of public integrity cases out of department of justice, out of u.s. attorneys' offices have arisen from news headlines. we already know there's the ability to investigate. frankly i think there should be an investigation just based on what we know that's in the public eye. whether congress -- whether members of congress take a position to use their bully pulpit to demand an investigation is much more of a political calculus i think for some about what they think the best road is. i will say, because i -- you
know how i feel, ari. i don't think i've kept this secret. but at the same time, you can imagine them being cautious about making sure they are not appearing to be acting as partisan, meaning just wanting to go get trump. >> yes. so let me jump in. maya, let me jump in, because i learned the law from you. that's why we have you as an expert. but sometimes we can debate these points out. the banner on the screen says, do what's right or pull a comey, and as i think all nerds know, pulling a james comey is prioritizing the potential perception of independence and integrity at the cost of just doing it. and so on a matter of this import, it seems to me, maya, for your response and then emily, we keep hearing from people in washington about how this might be perceived. that sounds comeyesque.
there may be arguments against indicting the former president for many important reasons, and i think it should not relate to politics and you could say that and explain that pursuant to your governing power. but isn't it a problem -- we call that a leading question -- that some in washington sound so comey-esque as if they haven't learned the lesson that if you want to be perceived for doing the right thing, or this is a big call, the only way through is to independently try to do the right thing and put the optics to the side? >> well, look, that -- i agree with you, ari, so this isn't about what maya wily thinks. as i said, i think there's already evidence for an investigation. there should be one ongoing now just based on the public record. all i was saying was trying to figure out why there's this internal -- what appears to be an internal conversation and what might be driving it. but at the end of the day, if i were them, i would not make
public statements one way or the other about whether or not -- >> sure. >> until i finish the process, because you do want to american public to understand this. with so much misinformation, disinformation coming from the trump camp, coming from steve bannon, rudy giuliani, you want to make sure that the public knows you're playing above board. >> fair. emily? >> ari, you used the word pru deshl a few minutes ago. >> sorry. >> no, no, i think it's helpful. it's the idea that, okay, you have discretion. is this wise? should congress, a co-equal branch of government refer the former president for a criminal matter to a new justice department for interfering with an election? that's really tough. we haven't seen that happen before in american history. i'm not sure what i think the answer is, but i can really understand this is a very hard decision to make. this is separate from, should attorney general merrick garland
investigate former president trump? this is, should congress take this step? >> but emily, and i'm running over on time, but it's superinteresting -- they did refer his campaign chair already, and they did refer his white house adviser, who's appeared on this program. and they did refer, through this letter progress, roger clemens and martha stewart. it's always going to be tough. the moment they get into optics and politics, they're wrong, game over. i will say, here, democrats wrong, if they ever let my politics into this. but the idea it's prejudged or can't go forward, i'm not saying what the right call is. not really my job. but i am -- i do think the level of comey-ism out there is consuming. emily gets the final word. >> i hear you. i just think with the precedents you cited they're totally relevant. it's not the former president. that's what we're talking about here. >> was roger clemens in a way
the president of baseball? >> i guess that's true, ari. >> i don't know. i'm out of my lane. that was a curveball of a final question. >> for me, too. >> emily and maya, not only thanks for your expertise buck thanks for putting up with me. >> pleasure. >> always great putting up with you. >> appreciate it. coming up, we have more new details on how the coup tried to reach the justice department. the one and only chairman of the senate judiciary committee dick durbin live. and later, fox news under pressure and waffling. stay with us. this... is the planning effect. this is how it feels to know you have a wealth plan that covers everything that's important to you. this is what it's like to have a dedicated fidelity advisor looking at your full financial picture. making sure you have the right balance of risk and reward. and helping you plan for future generations.
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how during the transition, trump had many efforts to steal the election. they weren't called a coup at the time, but the emerging evidence shows trump repeatedly demanded people join him in a coup, overthrowing a legitimate government of then president-elect biden by abusing power. a coup is deployed through government power of violence. the committee hasn't proven the violence, fwlus extentive evidence trump tried to overthrow biden's tenure with abuse of power. trying to reverse the election. one trump-backed official was pushing to become a "g" and doj jeffrey clark, who wanted to be a.g. was meeting with trump about a coup plan "the washington post" reports, vowing they could get it done. when was that meeting? just three days out from january 6th itself. prompting a scramble by the actual a.g. on the job, who replaced barr, race to the oval office, no time even to change.
it's another dramatic example how these trump appointees were trying to top coup plotting by other trump fans. what we know about this came out of a probe by the senate judiciary committee. dick durbin is our special guest in 60 seconds. st in 60 seconds. we have to be able to repair the enamel on a daily basis. with pronamel repair toothpaste, we can help actively repair enamel in its weakened state. it's innovative. my go to toothpaste is going to be pronamel repair.
we are back with senate judiciary committee committee chairman dick durbin. thanks for being here, sir. >> good to be with you, ari. >> we mentioned your investigation there. what else can you tell us about what you found, why that's important, and how it links with the other news people are learning about? >> this was a bipartisan effort in the senate judiciary committee, no question about it, so that was the premise, both the republicans and democrats through staff had an opportunity to ask questions of jeffrey rosen and o'donahue and others
and did so over the course of several days. members of the committee, myself include, witnessed their testimony. i thought the staff did an exhaustive job of establishing the premise, and that was that the president of the united states at the time, donald trump, tried to go through the courts of the land to reach a different result in the election and failed. he alleged all sorts of election fraud. couldn't prove it. then decided to go to the state election officials to convince them, as in the case of georgia, to find votes for him. that didn't work. then he next went to the department of justice and tried before january 6th to take control of that department for the issuance of letters to different state leaders the question the results of the election, and that's where we came in the picture. we brought jeffrey rosen, who stepped in after attorney general barr, who really rose to the occasion, and i have to say it was a bit of a prize to some of us. he was challenged, and it was
pretty clear the president was putting pressure on him, he did not buckle. when he heard jeffrey -- was -- they rallied the attorneys and said, if you do that we'll stage a walkout. it was a dramatic moment unknown to the public. we took all the information, sent it to the january 6th committee and said to them, we want to make sure you have everything that we've collected. >> if trump had prevailed in this effort to get the doj in on trying to overthrow the lawful results of the election, in your view, might there have been crimes there? >> certainly, but i don't know all the details in terms of what clark had planned or was proposing to the president, or the president proposing to him. but he seemed to be a willing ally of the trump big lie theory. you'll notice that he has decided he'll not testify before
the january 6th committee, which in itself sends a message. >> yeah. senator, you're involved in so many things given the privacy of the committee you run. i want to get your reaction to the so-called frame work for some gun safety rules with republicans involved, mcconnell vaguely or broadly, i should say, signaling some sort of support. do you view this as a breakthrough in what would it do? >> it's a positive signal, senator mcconnell, who historically has not been signed up for any gun safety measures ends up appointing john cornyn has the lead negotiator for the republican side and then says positive things about the work product they have proposed, the ten democrats and republicans, that is positive. whether or not that signals how mcconnell himself will vote, i can't say. perhaps we won't know that until
the actual package gets to the floor. >> given your role, are you watching the hearings? >> doing my best. we've got our own hearings, but i try to catch up with the summaries. i watched the first night in its entirety and i thought it was very professional. i thought they gathered, collected evidence and were presenting it in a convincing fashion and not wasting a lot of words doing it. i think they've done a professional bipartisan job. >> last question on, that given your expertise, which i think viewers know about, do you think at this point people should view that as democratic house hearing with largely democrats on the panel, or do you think that in its findings we're getting something that's more investigative and factual? >> i think it is a professional approach, and the fact that a congressman from my state, adam kinzinger, as well as liz cheney have been party to this, i trust them. they're risking their careers.
kinzinger is announcing retirement but he stuck his neck out engaging in this committee. >> understood. i know your time is busy tonight. thanks for joining us, chairman durbin. >> thank you, ari. i'm going to turn now to someone who's counselled these exact types of house investigations, john flannery, welcome back, sir. >> good to be with you, ari. >> we could start anywhere, but given the late breaking news out of liz cheneys after office, this is news -- this didn't come into the hearings. it's new coming into this evening. mr. eastman, maybe not a household name, but if you're into coups, if you wanted to overthrow the government, he may be your last resort. he might have out-giulianied giuliani. here's what was said about him by a white house lawyer.
>> i don't want to hear any other words coming out of your mouth no matter what other than orderly transition. repeat those words to me. >> what did he say? >> eventually he said orderly transition. i said, good john, now i'm going to get you the best advice in your life, get yourself a great criminal defense lawyer. you're going to need it. and then i hung up on him. >> a tense movie like moment of possible hyperbole or -- and i want your considered judgment, john -- did mr. eastman literally need a criminal defense lawyer at that moment? >> yes, he did. i have the sense that trump's stonewall of obstruction is coming apart. you have so many people who are arrogant and believe they could do anything because trump would take care of them, in a selfish way. he seems to be in a position where he seems to have written
the music for how they're going to do this legally based on fraudulent claims about voters and a theory of law that's just untrue, according to the constitution. we see it in the negotiations with clark, who was introduced at the request of trump, which surprised me by congressman perry, because i assumed it was a straight, would you do me a favor, mr. president? i'd like to be the attorney general. i realize we're short on time, but the way i would sum this sup i think not only does eastman need a lawyer, but the lawyer, harry mcdougal, who does represent jeffrey clark, he should probably look at who he could point to, because i think that's where this is going. you have him, clark, implemented in various elements, almost weaving back and forth between trump's direct overtures to the secretary of state, which was taped, and trying to get this moving so that before
january 6th it's in place, and he just can't get it. he is desperate to live this lie, and he can't do it and like really bad criminals he's doing it with an audience -- o'donahue, rosen. he's tape record in the georgia. this is a guy who should go down. i'm sorry, we don't catch the geniuses in fraud cases, but these guys aren't close to that. they would be keystone cops if it wasn't the most important historical trial in american history. >> you make an important point that we have shown viewers, which is some of the people who were involved were very secretive. mr. navarro was not. he was not talking in public at the time. he was secretly plotting for this sweep. they wanted to in a sense have it be a surprise. and the first tweet promoting january 6th by donald trump said navarro's got a report. meet my on the 6th. it will be wild. as you say, other people, more loud. final item for you that i asked the chairman about, again "the
washington post" reporting about trump saying, help me out. just say it was corrupt. just use words. say it was corrupt, and leave the rest to me be the republican congressman. trump urges rosen, just do it in a press conference. rosen refuses. quote, we don't see that. we're not going to have that press conference. the significance of, that john, in 45 seconds orless? >> many watergate there were two kind of lawyers. there were the crooked ones who went to prison and the one who is prosecuted them. that's where we're at today. we have these guys who don't care about the law. they're going to go down. the traitors to america, including the head of the snake, trump, i think that's where we're going. this is dangerous for the midterms. i personally hope it results in a prosecution before we get there. >> clear and frank. as we've come to expect. john flannery, thank you.
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welcome back. now, imagine if you worked at a news organization but got fired for reporting facts, for getting the story right, for being accurate. that is literally what happened to the elections editor, who accurately called some states that biden won while working at fox news. you may recognize him because he became a star hearing witness and is speaking out about how fox news went beyond opinions to election results to formal demands to misrepresent or lie
about who won, causing panic. >> part of the problem of course was that there were opinion hosts on fox who, for months and months and months, had been repeating the baseless claim that trump was going to win the election for sure. fox lost the thread over time, but you the old idea at fox was a robust news division, but in 2020, for a lot of reasons, there was some panic. >> that former fox employee speaking to npr after of course he testified to these hearings. so, we know how it all went. fox was apipeline for election claims and some lies, which directly fed the environment for the insurrection. indeed, one shows they pushed the -- over 700 times. this is not a debate over how to cover elections. this is something worse for fox.
their 2020 election coverage was so biassed and often wrong that it now faces more than one billion dollars lawsuit over its coverage of issues like voting machines and, although we will cover how those cases are ultimately resolved, fox is pulling back. they've already done on-air retractions under that legal heat, so not a normal debate. something, according to the courts and lawsuit and their own retragss, something worse. while it's common for people to claim these days nothing matters and all the pressure's pointless, these hearings are testing fox's relationship with the insurrection and election in interesting ways. fox broke with all other news divisions to censor coverage of the first hearing, going full cancel culture other than show viewers their hearing where they might have viewers make up their own mind.
fox went further. it put the censorship goal above not only news but profits. it picked that one and only night of hearing to forego its lucrative primetime ads. that was an attempt to keep all their viewers glued, because us a may know if you watch television, sometimes viewers, you guys sometimes check what's on other channels during our commercials. i get it. but the network was so committed to trying to prevent people from seeing the hearings. it was not that the hearings were boring or unconvincing. it was more like a fear the hearings would resonate with the viewer as important and factual. here's how gene robinson put it. the big lie business is so big with fox that it's apparently worth primetime revenue. it's not like fox hosts would be
so gauched to admit they were censoring the news, that they are beings bied and just catering to their audience. it's not like you're going to find a fox host telling on themselves, unless you watch laura ingram. >> they're all general set that fox isn't covering it live. we actually do something called cater to our audience. our audience knows what this is. >> i'm joined now by sam cedar, host of "the majority report". as we buckle up that with an admission, in court what's called an admission of interest, how about that, sam? >> that's a whoops. i don't know that she meant to say that. i'm not sure i fully believe it's them wanting to meet the expectation of their audience. i believe there was a certain amount of fear associated with that. i think the backlash that they got when they called the election and that final state
for biden, i think they felt that. i think it stung. i think it was a lot of people who abandoned fox at that moment, and obviously not for any other mainstream news organizations but for ones that were sort of deeper down the worm hole, ones that many people probably watching this never heard of before. one that was out of business and some that were being sued because of their claims of the big lie. they abandoned them later. and i think it was not just a question of catering to their called audience, although that's a bizarre thing to say if you're a news organization, you don't want to give your audience only exclusively what they want to hear. but i think it was a concern if they did allow some of that information to filter through, a significant part of their audience would feel like they had been misled or misunderstood the entire narrative that fox
has been nurturing for over a year now. >> you just said something really important to underscore it, and there's so much dehuman ization that goes on. there's people who get their information wherever they get it but can respond with facts. if you come to this with an open mind, you might get something was stolen, and i don't know about you, but stealing is bad. if they think something is stolen, they start to think, biden is bad. then they start watching some of their heroes, bill barr, ivanka trump, and they say it was not stolen and we told trump and the best thing for america and, according to barr, conservatism -- he put it in both ways -- is to face the fact and move forward. fox was so worried about that, they spent a lot of money
censoring it. and how do you catch up today, they wavered? ran the hearings during the day. >> well, there's farless of an audience during the day. i think you know that. primetime has a lot more viewers. and i think that they primed their audience on some level not to take it seriously. i mean, can tell you that, you know, being in the sort of mockery business on some level, which is what i do with some of those things, they could have easily run those hearings monday night, and if they didn't think any of the things were serious were being said they could have had sean hannity or laura ingram or tucker carlson make snide comments throughout the whole thing and debunk it, but i think they were very, very concerned about that. so i think there was a fear. i don't think the vast majority of fox viewers are going to change their mind about this, but i think there's enough that at least the fox intelligenceia were afraid that this might get
out tom carry it during the day is a much lower cost for them in so far as there's not as many people watching. they get credit for carrying and it have their cake and eat it, too. >> almost a cynical interpretation of events, sam. >> i'm afraid so. i'm afraid so. that's what we're looking at. >> yeah. well, look, that's why we come to you. as i've told viewers, you kept an eye on that part of the media ecosystem sam cedar, thanks for stopping by. >> my pleasure. always a pleasure. absolutely. as we go forward we try to move from the serious to the lighter. and so we ask a question -- what's gets roasted more than coffee beans? lately at night, rudy giuliani. >> today was episode two of the hot new reality show "the january 6th committee hearings". we're all waiting to find out if the former president gets to go to the fantasy suite with lady
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e episode two of csi can't believe that druch is not in jail yet had premiered. i had to say i watched it and it's so crazy to see so much evidence confirming that donald trump did all the things we saw him do on television every day for three months straight on television. >> that's one take here in late night, also a sign the january 6th hearings are resonating a wider culture. you can't do late night jokes about some of the stuff we cover on the news if people don't get the punch line because they haven't heard anything about it, but with 20 million people catching the first hearing, they are hearing all about it. >> it's like trump asked for a story that explained why he lost and his team said how much time
do we have to come up with it, and he said three seconds and they said venezuelan dictator teamed with an election soft weigh company and they brought fraudulent carts into suitcases and shopping carts. >> oh, those good. >> seth meyers breaking it down. >> and sobering issues about a dangerous coup and some of the sheer rank absurdity about the coup plotters. >> he told everyone he was going to commit a crime and he went out and he crimed. it reminds me of o.j.'s first book "when i'll do it. ". >> the president trump was guarded by a quote inebriated by rudy giuliani. so we'll blame the entire thing on the alcohol. that's what we're going to do? >> trump was rp to. he didn't know whether to brag
about the hearings. >> people love us a lot. >> also funny, disturbing, but, again, the punch line shows the problem for those who wanted to censor or disappear the facts of these hearings. 20 million watched primetime. we're hearing that 10 million saw monday morning's hearings and there is more to come. this is a national conversation. we're not here to tell you what to think. we are here to tell you evidence and facts which, as mentioned, i can't say is the same for everyone. now, have you watched all the hearings? you can let me know @arimelber on social media. connect with me @arimelber.com. do you watch both hearings so far? do you plan to watch all of them? we'll respond to some of what you say. "the reidout" with joy reid is coming up after this break.
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