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letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times. we are grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts now. busy week ahead, right? >> i think we'll be very busy. see you tomorrow, nicole. >> sounds good. >> okay. welcome to "the beat." i'm ari melber. happy juneteenth which is now a federal holiday. the government is officially closed today, although there are signs some house staffers may be at work putting the finishing touches on the -- and there are signs the first two hearings are breaking through around the national we'll get to that. tomorrow's hearing will moe beyond the public plots to overthrow the election, like the rally and violence that has been so horrifically documented and turn to at plos that were more secret or offstage, including the ♪♪ of officials, voter fraud, try to steal the election for trump. some plot were not well known
and certainly not taken seriously until months later, which is why the evidence matters. it's why, when you hear people saying, gosh, haven't we talked about this enough? sometimes they are guilty people or apologists for coup plotters. we're talk about how trump and his aides were hoping to mount an attack, hence secret at the time, to submit a false slate of fraudulent elector that would somehow inject last-minute doubt into the january certification. aides initially hid the plot, but evidence and emails have come out which shows how they were discussing it, and then we of course have tried to interview them to learn more about it. now there are reports that even the lawyers pushing it knew at the time that's they did not have the law on their side as "the washington post" is now reporting, so the plots are coming into more view. trump had seven plots thwarted.
the lawsuits that game into court, somehow calling the military to help. that got shutdown inside the government. then they turn to the ultimate guilty hail mary pass, just commit electorate voter fraud. claim the states that biden won, which was certify bid officials in both parties everybody knew going into the 6th, just claim they were won by trump. it is a plan we have been wearing down on in reporting and interviews. you're going to hear more tomorrow, and by the way, we've gotten some admissions. >> duh ever make calls like that regarding what you're calling needs alternate electors? >> yes, i was part of the process to make sure there were retaliator gnat electors. >> we had 100 ready to implement the sweep. the remedy was for vice president pence as the quarterback in the green bay sweep to remand the votes back to the six battleground states. >> we fought to see the
electors. the trump campaign asked us to do that. >> we the undersigned being the dually elected and qualified electorate certify the following, for the president donald trump of the state of florida. number of votes, 11. >> i may address the people you just saw at the end of that montage -- no, you're not the electors. you are liars. those individuals were neither elected nor qualified which made for a pretty farfetched plan. even trump's coup plotters were admitting, saying back in december the whole farce would be dead on arrival in congress. and here's why this probe and all of this evidence matters. you can see the potentially illegal conduct by the planners lay out their potentially criminal plans, and that matters as all this evidence come out. it matters for whether or not
they are charged by mr. eastman. matter whether or not whether you like trump or not but whether you believe in democracy or not, whether you use the information in the evidence coming out to prevent a next time. keep in mind someone we have been bearing down on more recently. he didn't do as much television as giuliani. once as big of a public figure, and yet he was in the white-hot senter of a coup so blatantly apparently criminal that he wants a pardon. talking about john eastman. he put it in write that the fraudulent electors they were putting forward have no authority. quote, they had no authority -- you see at the bottom there. but he also wrote that multiple states of electors can demonstrate the uncertainty, and that should be enough, meaning that pence could then have a lying false coup planning
pretext to steal the election. now, lawyers write in a certain way for certain reasons. so let me translate -- what mr. eastman and those folks are saying is, we know we lost women know this is almost certainly illegal, and yes, we even know rational people will not believe hauling in a bunch of randos, either criminal, delusional or pathetic dead ener who is say they're electors when they're not, that hauling in the randos is going to somehow change the election. even the coup plotter didn't think that. what he's saying there -- i want to understand this because i think we're going hear more about it tomorrow. mr. eastman, who wants a pardon because he thinks he and trump with crooks. what he's saying is not that the randos will magically think trump won buck they could create enough fraudulent perception of uncertainty that pence and others could claim, things are
just so uncertain, so topsy-turvy that this is still contested. or maybe biden's slates are not ready yet to be certified on the 6th. just that. which would be huge. but i say just because that's the offering they're making to pence and others. you don't have to say we won. to paraphrase "wedding crasher" -- doing this off the top of my head, so i think that's the right reference -- you don't have to love me. just say you don't love him. well, here you don't have to say trump won. just don't say biden won yet. and then they can wake up on the 7th and continue what they were doing. and i want to be clear with you, making up on the 7th under that plan is a coup. that's why mr. eastman wanted a pardon. it was sloppy, last-ditch, and ultimately it required someone in office to put their neck on the line, and that was mike pence. with and we know what happened.
he stood up to them. he wasn't going to put his neck on the line for a coup even as trump's fans literally threatened to put his neck in a noose. we now turn to our experts, former acting attorney general neal katyal and emily basal. neal, i walked through what stand out to me. i'm curious your thoughts. >> i think you did such a service by outlining what this plot was. alternate electors are like alternative facts. it's not a thing. and your description of the trump/eastman theory is exactly right. the theory was, let's name some rando alternative electors be that will create uncertainty and give pence cover to pick trump as the president. the problem is eastman knew the fake electors had no legal stand bug still said their presence would create that uncertainty,
and that would make at enough. i have no idea where this uncertainty was supposed to come from. one state was certified by the state legislalegislatures. the other time was not. i'd have a harder time picking apart a don i can and pinata. the trump officials themselves knew this was legal garbage. there's one email from a trump campaign official, a georgia person trying to hatch the alternate electors' plot and says, the duties are imperative to determine the end result, but they will be hampered unless we have complete secrecy and discretion. that sounds less like a legality than transmission from an sith lord. i've seen less menacing ran some notes. >> all fair. emily? >> it's worth remembering these fake electors were supposed to take the place of the people who were representing the will of
the voters, right? you vote, you have an election, you declare a winner. it's joe biden. the state certifies that winner. those electors go to the electoral college. this is erasing all of those facts and doing so after the election. so, it just is so clearly unconstitutional that eastman had to admit it himself, and yet amazingly he was trying to perpetuate this fraud on the american people. >> right, and when you say fraud, i mean, that's the important point. he wants a pardon, as i emphasize in the your reporting last week, because it's news. you go to live your life on the weekend, come back the next week, and everything looks the same and you go, i don't know where this thing is leading. it's incredibly significant that the guy at the center admits it's illegal, won't work, and want a pardon for what? for what he did with trump. it's not some side bar project. it's not something on january 21st where he was also going to rob the post office. he wants a federal pardon for
the trump stuff that he did iffer and with trump, and i think that's sort of the the big headline among a lot of other important details to be sure. both of you stay with me. i want to turn to mike pence speaking today. i mentioned it's a federal holiday. but this is his first time out since some of the these hearings. we learned a lot about their final interaction. congressman cheney agreed with supporters that pence, quote, deserved the that trumpian language -- in theory, quote, deserved to be hung. >> we've all been through a lot over the last several years. a global pandemic, social unrest, a divisive election, a tragic day at our nation's capitol. >> that's the reference, that he will, and that's about as far as it goes. we show sort of the new part. he said a lot of other general things and i guess he's wind thorough a difficult situation, although i'm not a big believer in baking too many cookies for
people who meet that standard of not throwing us into a dictatorship. i think he and his lawyers looked at it and decided not to do that. but i wouldn't say that they have been absent the hearing. i wouldn't say pence himself for example used the pulpit very much since that fateful day, but your reaction for us? >> 100%, ari. this is not a difficult decision. i mean, yes, vice president pence did bare minimum in avoiding a legal coup back on january 6th, but he has been relatively silent and said virtually nothing since, and i think that's why the virtual hearings were so effective. even though pence was the missing guy in the room, you had his chief lawyer saying here's what he we told pence and what he believed, that all of this stuff was garbage, legal garbage. they knew it was. it was fundamentally against the structure of the constitution to have one person pick the next president, and you know, pence
has been silent ever since. i have been saying this for months -- i do not know why this committee hasn't subpoenaed him. he is the key person here, and it's great that we have all this people around him, including judge luttig who filled in the details on what information pence had when he made his decision, but there's no substitute for hearing from pence himself. so i think he's got to do it. i am shocked that vice president pence hasn't come forward voluntarily, but because he hasn't, i think the committee has to subpoena him. >> i think that makes a lot of sense. they've definitely spence fire power and legal fights and energy pursuing over people who, while important ultimately were people that were plotting and lobbying for what you just said, what you remind us, neal, that people are trying get pence to do something. so you would want him. emily, the code red moment for "a few good men" -- did you
order the code red? does pence say donald trump issued the illegal order or not? and i don't know. i'm not going prejudge that. that's testimony, right? it would seem that's where it went, it would seem he went beyond that with other violent rhetoric, but ultimately for history and accountability, the bottom line, is were they trying to trick you into doing something but he was so careful he never crossed that line, or did we go to that order? i want to point out the headline on the screen, which i don't always do, to speak to the moment we're in. i think we'll go back. we had this up just a moment ago. it said "not normal", and emily, we are reporting on pence, quote, speak out after reports trump welcomed his assassination. this is still the trump post era news. this is not something that should be taken lightly, should it? >> no, of course not.
i think if you go back to these events january 6th, what's the alternative universe in which pence comes out strongly from the beginning and tries to rally the part of the republican party, which is initially expressing a lot of dismay about trump's actions? what if pence sees himself as a standard bearer for team normal? conservative team normal? >> speaks out strongly about defending the democracy, stakes his future political candidacy, which seems to be, you know, in play for the presidency on that kind of stance, i wonder how much of a difference that would have made. >> hmm. neal? >> i 100% agree such a good point that emily raises. pence was basically an invertebrate after he made his decision and before he made his decision. being a leader in our government, being anyone in our government, even a low-level person, you've got to do the right thing, and pence consistently didn't until he had that one great moment, and thank
god for it, because otherwise we would be basically in a coup world. but, you know, obligation of the rp is to do a lot more than that. >> yeah. i think you both break it down really well, so i appreciate both of you spending time with us amidst the holiday. happy juneteenth. appreciate you. >> thank you. >> absolutely. coming up, trump was discussing just his usual political stuff when a hand picked right wing interviewer asked him about being dragged out of mar-a-lago in shackles. we're going to get into that and into the wider criminal case. also our hearing preview for tomorrow. and a lot of questions tonight about how corporations are taking advantage of rising prices. i have a very special guest i'm excited to bring back on "the beat" our long time friend and anchor dylan ratigan is here with us tonight. stay with us. stay with us ♪ and party every day. ♪
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as these insurrection hearings grind on, there are some signs that they are breaking through. remember, much of the right wing strategy about the insurrection is to pretend that most of it didn't happen or it wasn't that bad and then to boycott or censer this government exercise. so unlike the hears the government took seriously on a bipartisan basis into 9/11er a watergate or the oklahoma city bombing, at a government level, the republicans are trying to sit this out in washington. we warted on some of that and you probably noticed the hearings are less of a partisan brawl because while they're
bipartisan they're with republicans who have turned on trump while mccarthy and most of the call kiss sit it out. then you have fox, basically suggests january 6th was a peaceful day and avoid airing most of the hearings so they don't fact check themselves. now, i remind you of all that because well, if i'm speaking to you and you're hearing my voice you follow the factual news and magnificent not keep track of how others are lying about it. but as a pub willic and political matter we keep an eye on what's gone on out there. so what happens when the public actually sees the evidence these hearings provided? well, there are signs that people across america, even across ideological organizing groups, people oppose the violence a that day, and they oppose any attempt to end our democracy with a coup. now, there are no votes in america on who to indict, and that is a good thing, but as a measure of the views of how bad trump's actions were, were they
just unethical, regrettable, or were they something worse? were they the acts of a criminal coup plotting president? pollsters with asking these questions and 58% of americans now say trump should be charged for his role in the election. it's hard get 60% of america to agree on most things in america. the bottom line is a majority saying he committed to crimes and should be charged. there's a shift in republicans among the polling am number of self-identified republicans who think trump is liable has gone up quite a bit. it has doubled. that's something that takes evidence. people don't accept the first bad thing they hear about their side. it usually takes a lot more, but we also know rational people can put facts above ideology. we've seen people turn. we've seen democrats in new york turn orn cuomo after getting more information.
that appears to be happening among many republicans in america. a sign the hearings are breaking through, and a sign the evidence-based and even at times very precise focus is working. working in the sense of sharing that information. the committee says it has even more evidence to reveal, including this electors plot. meanwhile, trump went to a right-wing radio show and ended up getting asked this question. >> they arrested peter navarro. who's next, you? are they going to try to take you out of mar-a-lago in shackles? this is insanity that we're allowing to to happen. >> uh-huh. what's going on has never been seen in this country before. it is so serious, this whole thing, and, you know, i'm at the forefront. i'm proud to be at the forefront. >> proud to be at the fore front and yet for a politician who has often tried to suggest the worst about his opponents and that everyone else should be locked up, this is clearly not the
messaging he wants from his side, let alone what everyone else thinks. on the evidence, trump aides made it clear under oath that he knew that he lost. the panel shows that he also knew about this elector plot. it again blows up a lot of what we've called the costanza defense, the idea he believed his own lies and is somehow less cup possible. meanwhile, trump is also making a claim. that rachel and i talk about. the same sword that knights you -- doesn't work well for republicans or trump, and after rachel and i discussed that and it's kicked around among other commentators, trump agreed. >> committee, bad decision not to have representation on the committee.
that was a very foolish decision. they try to pretend like they're legit, and you get into the inner workings and you say, what kind of a thing is this? it's a one-sided witch-hunt. it would seem donald trump does not like the way the committee is going, which seems to be an tacited mission it's workle. we have jill winebanks when we're back in one minute. to verizon two minutes ago. (mom brown) ours were busted and we still got a shiny new one. (boy brown) check it out! (dad allen) so, wait. everybody gets the same great deal? (mom allen) i think that's the point. (vo) now everyone can get a new iphone 13 on us on america's most reliable 5g network. (allen kid) can i have a phone? (vo) for every customer. current, new, everyone. to show the love. hi, i'm debra. (i'm from colorado. can i have a phone? i've been married to my high school sweetheart for 35 years. i'm a mother of four-- always busy. i was starting to feel a little foggy.
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the pollsters could haved the question, was, was this a regrettable, but forgivable kind of thing? was this incompetent presidenting, or was this a coup, criminal, and something that should be dealt with in that day, and it seem now even self-identified republicans and conservatives joined in that view based on the evidence. how does that compare to the shifting views in watergate? >> it was the same? watergate. in watergate, you had a president who had won 49 states, an overwhelming landslide in the electoral college. and the public turned on him as soon as they started seeing the facts presented we have hearings. now, it was also a time when facts mattered. it was a time went all three networks, and there were only three neshs, had the same facts. we're in a different situation now where people can identify and silo themselves to hear
exactly what they want the hear. i'm hoping that the independents and the thinking republicans, not those who are only watching fox, but those who actually tune into other channels, will get this information, because that's an important part of the evidence for them to see. it could influence how they vote, and that's one of the target audiences for these hearings is people who will vote. >> yeah. take a listen to congressman jamie raskin. >> if you allow impunity for attempts at unconstitutional seizures of power, which is what a coup is, you're inviting it again in the future. >> jill? >> i am one of those people who has long said the evidence is there. it's the same as when we had the nixon situation, where the
evidence was beyond all reasonable doubt, clear that he was a part of the illegal acts for which his aides were being indicted. i believe you cannot indict the conspiriters without the leaders of the conspiracy. i'm clear about what his knowledge was. he knew there was no fraud. he was told it over and over and over again. they knew he lost 60 lawsuits. he knew the arizona ninja z found more votes for biden than before they challenged it, this audit. i think the intent, which is necessary, has been established, and i think that it is worse to do nothing. i think if we had indicted richard nixon, it would have created a precedent, but it also would have been a warning that might have stopped the behavior that donald trump is engage in the now, and that's an important
thing, because if he is -- and heaven forbid this happens -- if he should be re-elected, he'll only be more emboldened if he gets away with this. he can't get away with this and have our democracy survive. this goes to the heart of our dangerous, our right to have our vote counted. not cast aside by a republican toady of donald trump's that says, i don't like how you voted. i'm going say the electors should be those who want to vote for donald trump. that can't be a democracy. >> yeah. i'm running to the end an our time. but did susan collins not say that he'd already learned his lesson? >> she did, and obviously he hasn't, and so the lesson must be stronger. we also now have the ripoff, the big ripoff. he's been penalized before for raising $3 million, being penalized $2 million in work,
but he department a million. he needs a pl and maybe a $4 million financial penalty, so he has to pay something out of his own pocket. >> right, and i'm not here to take a position on that one way or the other, but it's certainly the case if the people involved at the elite level, if none of them take accountability, maybe the takeaway will be, don't be a violent insurrectionist. some facing heavy charges. but you can work in the white house as a lawyer and actively plot a coup? that does seem to be perverse. i'm going to end here. jill, always good to see you. >> thank you, ari. absolutely. prices are up. you probably know that. are corps weighs taking advantage, though? and what was it like to work at cnbc and msnbc for years where i learned how to do television from him? dylan ratigan is our special gees on "the beat" as the economy melts down, maybe?
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inflation is unacceptably high. it's president biden's top priority to bring it down. and chair powell has said that his goal is do bring inflation down while maintaining a strong labor market. it's going take skill and luck, but i believe it's possible. i don't think a recession is inevitable. >> that's one government view, saying maybe it won't be so bad, but, well, a lot of people are feeling something very
different. when you poll, americans see the economy as top issue in a bad way. prices raising, inflation as its worst in 40 years. stocks down over 20%, officially in bear territory and worst start to a year since the '30s. bank of america is predicting the economy will stay terrible well into next year. they're predicting a halt, and you square that with the fact that some still see a decent jobs market in what has been a pandemic rebound. seems like cross cutting variables and a lot to make sense of. as promised we turn to a special guest on the set of these issues. dylan ratigan, host of the truth or skepticism podcast. he also as you recall hosted the dylan ratigan show on msnbc we
he interviewed all kinds of folks and spoke truth to power. he was an anchor at cnbc where he proved his financial -- and was a -- he's a long time friend and colleague. we benefitted from his experience and wisdom over the years, and we are happy to have him back. hi, dylan. >> nice to see you, ari. nice to see you. you're looking well. they don't make you shave now? is that the new covid thing, no shaving? what is this? >> i hadn't thought about it as quarantine or pandemic, but, yeah, if a lot of people are working from home, i can make my face seem like it's still at home. >> also i feel like it speaks to your hip-hop credentials. >> somehow. >> listen, it's your rock 'n' roll piece. so any way, it's a pleasure to see you. thank you for having me on, and yeah, i'm happy to see you. >> it's great to see you. and yes, i'll take hip-hop or
rock 'n' roll. maybe a little bit of a grateful dead vibe. i'd have to grow it longer. let's get into the economy where you're so knowledgeable. we want straight truth. that's what we expect from you. when you see officials say recession is not inevitable. we'll see. biden says he's got plans to deal with inflation, what do you see as what's happening now and where we're headed? >> i think you have to separate the comments of any politician with the economic reality. wouldn't matter if it was a republican or democrat or anybody, nobody wants to be the party in power when mortgage rates double, gas prices double, you know, housing's about to tip over. you know, all the things that we're going to talk about. and so it's logical, whether it's janet yellen or whether it's the president himself or any of his economic fishes, they're logically going to say,
this is going to be difficult, stressful, have all these cautionary tones, but it does not necessarily mean that we're going to have a recession. those are politicians saying what politicians need to say. in other words, you have to separate it from reality. reality is you are seeing every single major factor -- basically three major factors that are huge pillars, the tent poles, if you will, of the economy. one is interest rates and the cost of money, not just on -- base level for the banks, what are mortgage rates? what are credit card borrowing rates? every line of credit that you can imagine. when you double the price of that, that is going to have a massive impact, particularly on housing. i can't help you, okay? that's a fact.
second, energy costs, whether it's on manufacturing side, transportation side, have doubled. maybe 80%, 70%. we'll call it a double. i'm going double oil. i'm going to double interest rates. at the same time i'm running inflation at the highest levels for sure we've seen since the '70s. making matters even more stressful is not just the levels, but it's how quickly everything has changed. so if there was a slow transition to a higher set of interest rates, if there was a slow transition to a higher energy pricing basis and inflation was creeping, creeping -- that's not what's happening. people that went into contracts to buy houses that haven't locked their mortgages yet, they
thought their payment was going to be $1,700, and now it's $2,400. they're going to have to break those deals. large organizations, huge institutions -- dupont, trucking companies, u.p.s., fedex, airlines had budgets for fuel costs for what it's going to cost to fly the planes, drive the trucks, what it's going to cost to run the factories. those numbers are wrong. and by a lot, okay? and it happened fast. >> i'm only going to jump in here and there. the question that a lot of people are asking, you know, at home is then, what can they plan for and how bad will it get? we hear bear market, 20%, 23%. i'm not asking to you predict what will happen, but is it within the risk matrix? is there a non-zero real risk possibility that it drops
another 10%, 20%, 30% in the real economy or markets? >> of course yes. even by virtue of inflation. even the if the stock market did not change its value, but inflation continued to rise -- so, if you have $100 worth of stock, and it space at $100 worth of stock or bonds or anything, but the $100 goes down in value by another 10% or 20%, you've lost lost money. here's the two things. here's your best news. sort of like a patient who gets an injury, if you're very healthy before you get injured, the chances you can be more resilient to recover from that injury -- if you're a healthy person who goes to the gym and you don't drink, smoke, you seat vegetables and you get cancer. or if you're somebody who's been
laying on a couch and not doing anything and you get cancer, the healthy person has a better chance of going in and navigating the procedures and recovering. that's the u.s. labor market. so the best friend of america going into jacking oil, jacking rates, jacking inflation is a really strong labor market. and so everybody wants to know the same thing, which is what's going to happen. how bad is this going to get? i have no idea. anybody who tells you that they know is lying to by definition. it's unknowable. but if you want to monitor, you want a way to monitor it, if the labor market -- if those expanses at those factories, at those transports, if that inflation and expenses on the consumer side starts to bang on consumer discretionary -- restaurants, travel, and you start to see layoffs and
unemployment spike up, then you're going to end things to compound in a negative way. the other thing is housing prices, as everybody knows, whether you have a house and you're like, i can't believe my house has gone up 20% or more in value. it's crazy. everybody's lost their mind. or you don't own a house and you're like, man, i keep trying to buy a house, and every time the price goes up. housing prices will go down. i can guarantee you the chairman of the federal reserve -- >> interesting. >> i'm sure the federal reserve is looking at housing prices and basically saying, we'll continue to be aggressive with interest rates until housing prices come down. >> interesting, yeah. >> because this is crazy. >> yeah, right. >> and as long as labor markets do not break, so -- >> all right, that's very interesting too and affects people. here's my last question for you, which is based on the dylan we know, that you have all this financial acumen and worked in those worlds, but unlike some of the people who are very wall
street, you were more of an independent truth teller and much more of a populist -- any word can be debated -- when you look at companies doing well and reaping profits and banking profits here, we've done a series where we have had executive earnings calls and other evidence where basically some companies admit, yeah, they're going to lean into all this because the norm is high prices. walk us through your final answer, what you see there. is that a problem? overblown? are some companies taking advantage of the environment in a way that's not fair to consumers and workers if they just had their power pooled? >> yeah, no question. a number of -- i was talking to a fund manager two days ago who was saying, well, do you think this is really inflation, or is this really just a narrative of inflation because of oil that's then being exploited by management to jack prices? exactly what you just said. and my answer to him is my same answer to you.
there is inflation, and executives and management teams are exploiting its existence and -- it wherever they can. i can't tell you how much is 50% of it price gouging? or is it 30%? i have no idea. is it happening? sure it's happening. >> yeah, but you saying it's happening is interesting and pix up on a story we have been trying to cover here for people, what people are going through. i'm out of time, dylan. but as i mentioned and full disclosure, you have been a colleague and a mentor and i first started and learned how to do tv to the extent i know how to do it at wall with you and steve and your team. appreciate that. like having you here. >> always a pleasure, ari. enjoy the day. >> yes, sir. dylan ratigan, everyone. when we come back, we have a special piece of the highlight tapes we want to show you going into tomorrow. stay with us. cing cholesterol can be hard,
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january 6th committee resumes the probe of those capitol attacks tomorrow with the focus on the effort to get other officials at the state level to either help create the conditions for a coup or join in voter fraud themselves. we'll hear from three republicans who resisted trump's repeated efforts to try to get them help overturn his loss. one witness was at the center of a smear campaign about fraudulent ballots, the hearings resume at 1:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow. we will be, of course, covering before, during and after. there are a lot of signs that millions more americans are catching some of these hearings on air, online and in
after-effects. i want to share something with you we've created which is just taking some of those key highlight moments from all three of the first hearings together and see what we're learning. take a look. >> the select committee to investigate the january 6th attack on the united states capitol will be in order. >> these false claims of election fraud. >> massive effort to spread false and fraudulent information. >> stuff that people were shoveling out to the public was bull [ bleep ]. >> he said, dead people are voting. >> italians and germans and hugo chavez and venezuelans. >> indians are getting paid to vote. >> are you out of your effing mind. >> that is not true. >> detached from reality. >> what they were proposing i thought was nuts. >> they were idiotic plans. >> it's too early to tell. too early to call the race. >> we should not go declare victory until we have a better sense of the numbers. >> i did not agree with the idea of saying the election was
stolen and putting out this stuff which i told the president was bull [ bleep ]. >> i respect attorney general barr so i accepted what he was saying. >> after the election what were the chances of president trump winning the election? >> none. >> he delivered to the president blunt terms he would lose. >> we would lose 9-0 in the supreme court. >> the president's mind was made up. >> rather than accept the results of the election he tried to convince the american people the election had been stolen. >> constitutional mischief. >> i don't want to hear any other effing out of your mouth other than orderly transition. >> he directed them illegally to march on the united states capitol. >> for anyone who didn't understand how violent that event was, i saw it. i documented it and i experienced it. the crowd turned from protesters to rioters to insurrectionists. the anger and the profanity.
[ crowd chanting, "hang mike pence" ] >> the vice president refused to get into the car and the vice president had said something to the effect of you're not the one behind the wheel. >> aware of the rioters' chants to hang mike pence, the president responded, mike pence, quote, deserves it. >> the mayor was definitely intoxicated. >> was another marketing tactic? >> yes. >> the big lie was also a big rip-off. >> he lied to his supporters and the country. >> corruptly pressured state legislators and election officials to change election results. >> he lost, but he betrayed the trust of the american people. the people had voted him out and the courts upheld the will of the people. >> and that's what it comes down to, evidence, facts and testimony, so people can learn and make up their own minds.
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