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thank you for getting up "way too early" with us on this tuesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. on saturday, trump held a rally in memphis, and he said pretty much what you'd expect. so instead of showing the same clips you've seen a million times, it is time for another installment of "trump with no context." enjoy. >> ahh! ahh! uhh. [ applause ] >> wow. >> hearing number four into the january 6th capitol attack gets under way later today, focused on donald trump's efforts to pressure state officials into overturning the election. meanwhile, there is new reporting that trump's team has found a fall guy. we'll tell you who or what trump reportedly told confidants about
the lawyer who devised the plan to overturn the election. >> mr. eastman, we hardly knew you. >> it always happens, and they always seem so shocked. plus, president biden considers a move to provide a bit of relief at the gas pump, but he needs congress to agree. we also expect more economic data this morning that could offer clues into whether the u.s. is headed toward a recession. also, the crippling labor shortage. the latest industry to feel the pressure, airlines, with more chaos and canceled flights. cnbc's brian sullivan is standing by to discuss if the lack of labor is as big a threat to the economy as inflation and energy costs. >> would you or a family member like to fly a jumbo jet? if so, we have a job for you. >> that's the problem, it takes so long to become qualified to fly, and there are not pilots.
often, people are waiting. >> it's crazy. >> or flights are literally canceled out underneath them. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is tuesday, june 21st. with us, we have white house bureau chief at "politico" and the host of "way too early," jonathanlemire. and pulitzer prize winning columnist and editor of the "washington post," eugene robinson. >> maybe it's because i grew up in a navy town, i grew up in pensacola, which was sort of the annapolis of the air, everybody there said, "i'm going to go serve the country, then i'm going to fly for delta or then i'm going to fly for american." it was hard. you know, the guys that were a little slower at the game, you know, they were flying cargo jets. it was straight out of "top gun." it was a hard job to get. now, man, the delays and chaos at airports across the country
are really backed up. a lot of these pilots just quitting. the flight attendants had enough. >> right. what are you going to do? as mika said, it takes a while to learn to become an airline pilot, and that's a good thing, right? >> that's a good thing, yeah. >> right. >> take your time. >> yeah, exactly. we'll work through this, but i'd rather work through this than a quick fix, i'll tell ya. >> yes. we are hours away from the fourth public hearing by the january 6th committee. this afternoon, we're going to hear more about this infamous phone call. >> all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. so what are we going to do here, folks? i only need 11,000 votes. fellas, i need 11,000 votes. give me a break.
>> just unbelievable. >> give me a break. >> that was, of course, donald trump talking to georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger days before the insurrection. telling him, i need you to steal the election for me. i need you to find -- hold on, how many votes are we behind? we're 11,779 votes behind. >> exactly. >> we need 11,780 votes. you know, i've been saying over the past, well, several weeks, but really over the past several months, donald trump gets away with absolutely everything. if there is something for him to be worried about, maybe it's not with the manhattan d.a. who seems to be scared of his own shadow. perhaps it is in the georgia where we have him on tape saying, "i need you, mr. secretary of state, to steal the election. >> and audio tape, the best friend of the prosecutor. you hear the former president
committing the crime. you have it all on tape. all you need to do is play the tape. yeah, georgia could really be a problem for him. as i said, the evidence is depositive. he is guilty. >> raffensperger is testifying today, as well as sterling and rusty bowers, who says trump and rudy giuliani called him after the election, asking for help to overturn president biden's victory in the state. we'll also hear from shaye moss, a former georgia elections worker. she and her mother were targeted in a deebunked voter fraud conspiracy pushed by giuliani and others. >> this is an important lineup when you look at these people. obviously, the secretary of state and his assistant were two republicans who came out with
guns blazing. before anybody else, saying, these guys are trying to steal the election. we're not going to let them do it. look at rusty bowers. say what it is in arizona right now. arizona's republican party has been taken over by the biggest fringe element. they're a bunch of lunatics, crazy people. you have the maricopa board that were counting the votes that, time and time again, pushed back against the conspiracy theories. i mean, it's really -- i mean, these people have done such a great service for america. i would say the same thing for democrats who, of course, did the right thing. like al gore, for instance, conceding the election when he conceded the election, when he could have kept fighting that for months and months.
then you have ms. moss, jonathan lemire, who i'm glad i've seen a picture of her now, because i had way too many people send me emails and send me conspiracy theory posts from chinese conspiracy websites and religious cults, where they had the whole -- they had the conspiracy theory out of georgia. oh, there were a box of ballots that they just picked up from underneath the table, and they took away. we look at that, and we know that's just as stupid as the jewish space lasers. that's just as stupid as all the other conspiracy theories. you forget there is somebody on the other end of that story who faces death threats because of the lies that all of these conspiracy theorists and crack pots send around. >> yeah, and she and her mother, she's an election worker, and her mother, a volunteer. they were doing their civic duty
in staffing the election. they came under because of video footage taken of them and allegations, spurious allegations that they were trying to rig the elections, pulling out a box of ballots. none of that true, but it is a theory floated by rudy giuliani, then president trump's lawyer, and later trump himself and others in media appearances, where ms. moss and her mother received such scrutiny, they received death threats. she's given accounts of a person showing up at her door late at night, banging threatingly, that she'd call 911 repeatedly because she was afraid of being followed. she was afraid her life was in jeopardy because of these unfounded allegations of election misconduct. again, let's stress, there is no truth to that whatsoever. for the committee's perspective, she puts a human face on this, to show lives changed, altered, and engaged because of these lives. >> well, that's the thing.
if you're watching and you send around conspiracy theories like this that target other people, under, you're putting their life at risk. you should know that by now. you look at pizzagate. the guy that showed up, like, ready to shoot the place up because he believed the lies about hillary clinton being a pedophile and keeping children hidden in a pizza restaurant in washington, d.c., come on. grow up. i am curious -- >> it's sick. >> -- why ms. moss and her mother don't sue rudy giuliani for lying about them. again, the consequences have been devastating. let's bring in congressional investigator for the "washington post," jackie alemany. what are we expecting to see today? >> yeah, this topic of political violence, joe, is going to be a pretty big topic. we already saw adam kinzinger get out on the sunday shows and say the death threats against him and his family have increased, and we know as of
this morning that lawmakers are actually looking to ramp up their own security. we're going to hear that from people like rusty bowers and shaye moss, how the president's false claims of election fraud, which the committee will drive home he knowingly was propagating these false claims, despite being told countless times there was no there there, that it upended their lives. the mosses had to go into hiding essentially and protect their identity. it was a terrifying other deal for them. rusty bowers, as well, will testify to that experience. then we'll hear from brad raffensperger and gabe sterling who are going to talk about the explicit pressure campaign we saw from the former president, that is included in audio. but for the first time, we're going to hear directly from them discussing this audio and how that made them feel, what sort of tensions it created, and the
toxic political and partisan environment it contributed to. >> alex just told me, by the way, ms. moss and her mother did sue giuliani and got a settlement. >> perfect. >> gene, we're going to continue with the january 6th story, but jackie just brought up violence. yesterday, i talked a good bit about how republicans, a certain wing of the republican party, the trump wing of the party especially, are using violent threats, violent imagery, and violence itself in a way that shows it's a fascist movement. before we continue on january 6th, i want to remind you again, remind our audience again, about the comments retired federal judge luttig made last week. donald trump and his supporters are a clear and present danger
to american democracy. keep that in mind. see what a former governor of missouri, now a senate candidate, has put out in a new campaign ad that, like a hundred other republican ads this cycle, uses guns and incites violence against his primary opponents. take a look at this. >> so this is former missouri governor who is vying to fill a vacant senate seat. greitens announces that he is -- literally, he announces he is going, quote, rhino hunting. rhino being the acronym for republicans in name only, holding a gun. it depicts an armed greitens bursting into a house, alongside men in tactical gear. he also encourages viewers to, quote, join the maga crew and get a rhino hunting permit. facebook parent company meta
says it removed the video from its sites because it violated rules about violence. twitter flagged the video but did not remove it. >> all right, all right, hold on a second. >> yeah, he is rhino hunting. >> we can't show this ad, gene, i guess -- i thought we were going to show this ad. >> i wouldn't. >> because it is too violent. >> it is. >> you have greitens kicking down a door with guns and telling everybody to follow him. rhino is basically, again -- >> republicans by name only. >> -- something stupid people call those who don't agree with them. it's for moderate republicans or republicans who disagree with them on the insurrection. again, here's a guy carrying a gun in with other people, and they are hunting out their political opponents. >> i know. it's -- >> again, this is fascism.
>> yeah. >> i tried to bring this up, and there were a couple people being polite yesterday going, well, you know, maybe we shouldn't call it fascism. i don't know whether it is fascism. >> oh, my god. >> this is fascism. it's using violence and violent imagery to basically tell people, "vote for me. a civil war is coming." you know, it's -- it's where we are. it's where the republican party is right now. every republican needs to call this out unless they want fascism to continue to rise in their party. >> yeah. mussolini would be proud. just one question about this, isn't making terroristic threats a federal crime? i mean, why is this not -- literally, i'm a free speech, pretty much, absolutist, but this is threatening. threatening primary opponents or any republican who dares disagree with him with, you
know, with a s.w.a.t. team assault that would kill them. you know, this is absolutely impermissible, and there has to be some way this can be sanctioned. this is not right. this is not acceptable in political -- this is not a legitimate political discourse, as the republican party might call it. this is a terroristic threat. >> we've had several examples. this is what they do. there is a congress member, whose name i'm notholding an ar-15 and said we had to go after the squad. then showed four democratic congresswomen, as well, basically hunting members of congress. we see it time and time again, and republicans don't call it
out. we see it here with the greitens ads. i would hope republicans would call it out, but they don't. i want to underline, again, we're talking about the rise of american fascism. you can look at january 6th. you can look at ads like this. you can look at the continued use of violence and imagery. you can look at donald trump telling his audience members to beat people up in the audience that disagree with him. it is fascism. >> this is why, unfortunately, this is the only thing that needs to matter when you're casting your vote, which is very hard to say, because this country has a lot of problems and we have a lot of growing pains we still need to go through. we have a lot of issues, which we've fallen back on. right now, this is the issue to vote on. even hillary clinton made that clear, we either move forward toward continuing a democracy or we fall into something very fall and very frightening and very real. it's not an exaggeration at this
point, especially when you look at how this is pervading our politics from the bottom up. all started pretty much by donald trump. there are a lot of other reasons from past presidencies that we got here, we can have that conversation, we can make all that blame, but this is where we are. this is what matters. it's not democrat-republican, in terms of voting. >> no, it's not. and it is -- >> it's democracy or -- >> it is a growing wing inside the republican party. really, again, we can debate abortion, we can debate guns, we can debate -- >> and we should. >> -- interest rates, we can debate -- >> gas prices. >> -- quantitative easing. we can debate a thousand different issues, but for a growing wing of the republican party, it's just straight out pro-democracy versus anti-democracy. you look, whether it is vladimir putin, whether it is orban, or
whether it is just fascism, please go on your google machine and look up the definition of "f "fascism" and whether it was in germany, whether it's in italy, wherever it is, it is the pushing aside of democratic norms, the use of violence to do that, the glorification of violence to achieve whatever means necessary, use whatever means necessary to achieve total control, and push aside democracy. it's happened time and time again. jonathan lemire, this is obviously a political battle for democrats to take part in, but i do keep wondering when the hell there is going to be one or two republicans with a national platform that stand up and actively call this out and aggressively go against it and say, "this is not who we want to be. >> we heard from adam kinzinger, the republican congressman who
is often one of the few voices willing to condemn these elements within his party. he also sits on the january 6th committee. he announced he is not running for re-election. remains to be seen whether powerful voices in the party will condemn this ad, condemn greitens' behavior. he has a checkered past, forced to resign. there have been allegations against him of domestic abuse. he denies that. let's also remember, this ad, as horrifying as it'd be in a vacuum, comes amid a backdrop on a national debate on guns. we're weeks from mass shootings in buffalo and a school in texas. trying this week to get legislation done on weapons, and then this comes forward. but as a stunt, it might work. missouri has trended very, very republican in recent years. there was an effort they're trying to break through. this is the one thing people are
talking about. it might be enough for some republicans to support him. of course, other republicans hope it'll be the opposite and people will back away from him because greitens, because of how toxic his background is, stands to lose potentially to a democrat this fall if he is the nominee. >> well, yeah, i mean, it might encourage the fascist wing of the republican party. again, you have to be able to say that without flinching because that's who he is. that's who the people are that stormed the capitol. that's who donald trump is. a people, again, who are inciting violence, encouraging violence, using violent imagery. they also happen to be the same people pushing an ethnonationalist world view. we'll see. again, two things are happening. missouri is becoming more conservative. is the republican there becoming more fascist? i don't think, but we'll see if this actually does help greitens. it'd be a bad sign for the people of missouri.
jackie, today's january 6th hearing, you talk about violence is going to be a part of it. also, we talk about the state legislator legislators. good example, i talked about arizona before. we actually had a supreme court justice's wife reaching out, asking them to throw out the -- all the votes in arizona and send their own set of illegal electors. do you think we'll hear about that? are we going to hear about that in other states, as well? >> we're definitely going to hear about that. just to put a pin in this conversation on violence, i think what the committee has understood more so than previous congressional investigations is that facts can't necessarily change minds here, but feelings can, which is why we're seeing such an emphasis on having people like mrs. moss come speak to the intimidation tactics that have an effect, not just on
people potentially running for office but election workers trying to participate in democracy. the way these things undermine democracy overall. but the schemes of electors will be a big focus today. we're not totally sure if ginni thomas already raised at all. we know it was under discussion yesterday amongst committee members. what we're hearing is it might actually not be completely relevant to the bigger picture story of john eastman's legal coup and the implementation of it. although, what ginni thomas was doing was also in line with this employ that john eastman was proposing to the former president, along with legislatures. i think we'll hear how the pressure was really overwhelming on these state players to submit phony slates of electors in order to halt the electoral certification, or at least apply pressure on the vice president to send it back to the state legislatures, to sort of
actually implement the president's plan to overturn his defeat. >> wow. "washington post"'s jackie alemany, thank you very much. we'll see you again soon as we watch the hearings, scheduled for today. to the economy now. president biden says he may call on congress to suspend the federal gas tax, a move that could save drivers as much as 18 cents per gallon. white house officials say the administration hopes to offer relief in time for the busy july 4th holiday weekend. a gas tax holiday requires congressional action. one white house official acknowledges it would be a challenge. let's bring in cnbc's brian sullivan. brian, for that, on top of everything else that's going on with the economy, would this help? why wouldn't it get through congress? >> it wouldn't hurt. it is 18 cents. by the way, that would assume the local gas station owner,
marketers, refiners, distributors, that they passed it along to you. local gas station owner, he may keep the 18 cents a gallon. who knows? it can't hurt. state gas tax holiday, mika, would probably be more effective, given that state gas taxes are a lot higher, particularly in california, pennsylvania, places like that. 18 cents a gallon is probably about maybe $20 or $30 a month for most people. the price of gas has already gone up about 2 bucks a gallon from last year. you asked will it get through. probably not. remember, the federal gas tax goes to pay for roads, so there's estimates that if you suspend it for a month, call that $15 billion, that's money that's going to have to be repaid anyway by taxpayers to go into road funds. will it happen? we'll see. will it help? probably not much. >> let me ask about labor. the issue of labor an ongoing
crisis. there seems to be a shortage everywhere you look. we talked about the airlines, but you have so many other people that talk about recruiting top talent. telling them when the start date is, then they don't show up. talk about the labor crunch and how it is impacting the economy. >> it's impacting in a big way. airlines laid people off, gave early retirement during the pandemic, and now are desperate for people to come back. why would they? i don't know. airports are a disaster. 6,000 canceled or delayed flights around america over the weekend. i tweeted out a picture. we had an issue with delta. we used the app to find out about a delayed flight. it said estimated wait time, 697 minutes. that is 11 1/2 minutes. i mean, it was 5:30 in the morning yesterday, but, still, 11 1/2 hours, it was only 4:00.
-- 4 hours, so we feel lucky. pete buttigieg had his flight canceled. the department of transportation secretary ended up driving from d.c. to new york on friday because -- i mean, if you're pete buttigieg and your flight doesn't take off, what does that mean for the rest of us? >> not good. >> labor force participation rate down by 1%. doesn't sound like a lot, but in an economy of 100 million workers is more than 1 million people. it is a serious risk to the economy longer term. if you can't grow the economy, the economy either stalls or contracts because you have to pay those people willing to work more, which is wage inflation. no growth, higher inflation is the ugly word, joe, stagflation. let's hope we don't get there. >> let's hope not. >> brian sullivan, thank you very much for coming on this morning. we appreciate it. still ahead on "morning
joe," a spokesman for vladimir putin says he can't guarantee two u.s. military veterans captured in ukraine won't face the death penalty. we'll have the new nbc news exclusive interview with peskov. plus, some of the strongest remarks yet from a western official in regards to russia. why a top european union diplomat is accusing moscow of a war crime. also this morning, more questions surrounding the police response to the uvalde shooting. a new report finds officers armed with rifles and at least one ballistic shield were in the school 19 mu minutes after the gunman. why didn't they act sooner? they had the shield. plus, democratic senator chris coons will join us to discuss where the gun legislation stands on capitol hill. a lot going on this morning. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. only pay for what you need.
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welcome back to "morning joe." 31 past the hour. we're hearing for the first time from the kremlin about two u.s. military veterans who were capturd on the front lines in ukraine by russia. in an nbc news exclusive interview, senior correspondent keir simmons pressed the kremlin's press secretary about their fate. we should note that russia is cracking down on journalists and limiting what they can say under the threat of imprisonment. >> reporter: the kremlin's first comments after two american veterans on the front lines in ukraine were captured by pro-russian forces. russian television broadcasted two americans fighting in ukraine, alex drueke and andy huynh. where are they, and what happens next? >> they were involved in illegal activities on the territory of ukraine. they were involved in firing and
shelling our military personnel. they were endangering their life. they should be held responsible for those crimes that they have committed. >> reporter: in an exclusive interview, i asked kremlin spokesman demetri peskov about the nationals and rebels in ukraine, now sentenced to death. can you guarantee these americans will not face the sme fate. >> i cannot agree to anything. it depends on the investigation. >> reporter: we asked about wnba star brittney griner, detained at the airport in february, accused of carrying hashish oil. she was taking sport in russia, trying to build bridges through sport. it is a terrible message, isn't it, that she should be arrested? >> it is also a terrible message to bring some forbidden essences and materials to this country,
and it is prosecuted by russian laws. >> reporter: the special envoy for hostile affairs is leading the u.s. efforts to secure brittney griner's release. so the u.s. government is now approaching this as a hostage situation. >> i would strongly disagree with that. we cannot call her a hostage. she violated russian law. now she is being prosecuted. >> reporter: nato leaders now warning of a long conflict in ukraine. it may be one view russia agrees on. are we in for a long conflict here? >> yes, it will be a long, lasting crisis. we'll never trust west anymore. >> wow. >> we'll never trust them. >> a fine line keir was walking there, given the constraints for reporters. joe, what do you think? we have these americans fighting for ukraine, plus this basketball star. >> well, let's talk generally about what's been going on.
by the way, if you work, i guess, for the russian government, it is a requirement that you lie through your teeth. it's what they've done. it's what they're doing. it's what they've always done. we'll never trust the west again? please, please. you have the russians who have lied over and over again about their intentions with ukraine, over and over again about launching a war, committing war crimes left and right. >> atrocities. >> i've got to say, i have agreed with the biden administration to this point, with the right red line between the polish border and the ukrainian border. i have to say, at this point of the war, gene, we see most of the fighting going on in the east. i'm not so sure the united states shouldn't do what it did in syria when vladimir putin was going around bombing hospitals there. i'm not so sure we shouldn't
work with an international organization and establish a humanitarian zone that reaches across western ukraine, protects ukrainians, a place where they know they can go. if it takes in kyiv, it takes in kyiv. at some point, just let vladimir putin know, he is not going to establish the boundaries of this war. he is not going to be able to continue to commit war a price. well, you know, that's -- i get that, and that is difficult to implement. but you are right that this phase of the war is different from the first phase. now that the russians are just basically killing people, pounding targets for really no reason, they lob a rocket on kyiv just because they feel like it. no real military objective.
and can do this sort of thing indefinitely. now that they're taking hostages in the way we've just talked about, you know, i guess it is time for a continual rethink of our strategy. it's hard to think of exactly how you implement this humanitarian corridor without running the risks that the biden administration says it opportunity want to run, which is direct conflict between the united states and russia. that's not something anybody wants to see, except maybe vladimir putin. he seems to be pushing things in that direction. this is a breaking point. i'm not sure we've reached that breaking point yet or the tipping point, but this is going to be awful. this is going to be awful for months and potentially years. >> well, which is why, jonathan
lemire, joe biden was in the obama administration when they kept saying, "we can't do anything with syria," when 10,000 syrians died. said, "we can't do anything" when 50,000 syrians died. when 100,000 syrians died. said it's just too complicated. when 200,000 syrians died, they said, "no, we just can't go in." when 400,000 syrians died, "oh, it's just beyond our reach. we just don't know what to do." 500,000 syrians die, they don't go in. we do have some troops in syria now. we did set up a humanitarian zone. the russians charged 2,500 of our troops and about 100 of them got killed in five minutes. you know, there is no reason why we can't go in peacefully with other allies, set up a security zone, in western ukraine, and let the russians know, we are
just here allowing refugees to come be in this -- be in their own country, and this zone is secured. do not cross this red line. let him threaten world war iii all he wants to threaten world war iii. if we're not going there offensively, but just going there to provide humanitarian assistance, you know, it might be something we have to look at, jonathan. i'm curious, what is the white house's plan for the next week, the next month, the next six months, the next year? is it just going to be more of the same? >> the war has evolved enough where we shouldn't discount anything. for now, there is not discussions to have a zone like that. in fact, the president continues to say it is a line he will not cross, to deploy u.s. troops into ukraine in any way, shape, or form. in fact, he's been pretty stern this week about how he doesn't
want american ex-military or volunteers to be over there either. now we've seen a few people captured. reports last night of a second american killed during the combat who was fighting on the ukrainian side. the focus at this point remains shoring up alliances and pushing money and weapons and supplies to the ukrainians. he leaves for the g-7, the wealthiest nations of the world, that'll be in germany, and then on to nato in spain. i'll be on that trip with the president, bringing reporting here for the show. and the president's mission is going to be to rally the nations, the allies, and say, this is going to be a bloody conflict for potentially months and maybe years. that's what putin is betting on, the attention and commitment to giving money and weapons will falter, and he can outlast them
and eventually take bigger and bigger pieces of ukraine. president biden's mission is to prevent that. he is going to try to rally the countries in g-7, try to rally the nato members, as well as get finland and sweden in, to assuage turkey's concerns there. that'll be his mission, and it is center focus for the white house, keep ukraine well-equipped for a battle that may rage for a very long time. >> that is vladimir putin's bet, mika. it is up to joe biden. it is up to nato. it is up to the eu, and it is up to those who still want to defend democracy and freedom to make sure he loses that bet. >> yeah. we'll have more on the war ahead. russia is promising to retaliate against a member of nato. >> as a public service announcement of vladimir putin, let me just tell you, that doesn't end well for you. >> no, no, it doesn't. we're going to explain lit
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45 past the hour. we have yet more disturbing, new reporting on this massacre in uvalde, texas. >> unbelievable, mika. >> documents reveal police officers were inside the school, armed with high-powered rifles and the first ballistic shield at 11:52 a.m. that's 19 minutes after the gunman entered the school. but they didn't breach the door to take him down more another hour, for 58 more minutes. this photo from the "texas
tribune" shows at least two ballistic shields on the shield at 12:04, just about one minute after. >> i'm sorry, what the hell were they doing? what the hell was their on-site leading telling them to do? >> well, that's the issue, actually. one minute after a student called 911 from inside the classroom, pleading for help, officers still didn't enter the classroom for another 46 minutes. the new revelation contradicts the statement from police, that officers didn't have the proper equipment to confront the killer. the statesman reports that officers grew increasingly impatient. this is important, joe. >> yeah. >> one of them saying, if there's kids in there, we need to go in there. another responded, whoever is in charge determines that. a transcript of body camera footage from officers showed the commander on the scene, uvalde school police chief,he was trying to find keys to open the classroom door, even though
officials said they didn't believe officers tried to open the door. nbc news has not been able to verify the documents. a lawyer for arradondo didn't respond more than saying they responded with the information they faced. we'll bring in bill bratton, but the point you were making about police in general being afraid to go in, i honestly think when it comes out, when you listen to all the body camera video possible, you're going to hear from a lot of cops that would have done anything to get the kids in there. >> the cops wanted to go in. >> that'll live with that the rest of their lives. >> the cops wanted to go in. the guy on the scene was telling them to hold back, fumbling around, looking for keys. >> logistics and following orders are everything. >> he was just stalling. i was going to say, he was killing time while there were kids inside that were bleeding
out, that were calling 911, that were dying, that could have been saved if he'd done his job. let's bring in right now former new york city police commissioner, now the executive chairman of teneo risk, and his new book, important for every politician in america to read, "the profession, community, race, and the arc of policing." i say politician, but also every police chief and the rank and file. there's so much important in here, mr. commissioner. i want to start, though, you know, we've talked about uvalde. we've talked about all the ways they screwed up. let's just do a reset here. post columbine, there are rules of engagement for school shooters that we see one police department after another fail on. could you explain to us, post columbine, if there is an active
shooter inside the school, what is every police department supposed to do? >> the general philosophy, joe, is that you go in. one officer, two officers, three officers, that you go in. quite clearly, that did not happen here. we're going to have to wait for the results of the special commission that has been formed to examine this incident, similar to what is going on in congress right now about january 6th. because these drips, drips, drips of information coming out just infuriate us all. the idea that they had ballistic shields, they had a device, the other day it was reported a device would have popped that door. there is no explaining it, other than a total failure of lack of leadership and command and control. command and control in policing is absolutely essential. unity of command. literally everything we train for seems to have been violated in this instance. >> also talk about transparency. you know, they lied and hid behind the grieving parents in that press conference, where all
those guys were up on the stage. beto o'rourke went in there. they lied talking about doing everything. don't use grief against these parents. then you had the police chief doing the same thing when confronted by nbc news. like you said, it is drip, drip, drip, one lie after another lie after another lie exposed as the days go by. talk about why it is so important for police departments to be transparent up front. >> ironically, joe, i teach a class with john miller, very known to you, the commissioner of the nypd, every year twice up in boston with 300 police leaders from around the country on communication skills. the most important word in police communications is preliminary. the first story is never the last story. that's clearly the case in this instance. the idea is to, as quickly as possible, get out what you know, but understand that the story is going to change. the frustration here is that we
train so much for this. this department actually trained for this and apparently failed when it came time to actually deal with it. we're going to learn a lot, i think, as this committee that has been formed issues its report. policing is always an evolution. in my book, i write about the evolution of policing. >> yup. >> we're constantly learning and changing. we learned from columbine. we will learn from this. >> so yesterday i had a friend of mine on who is a former cia case officer. he was talking about the problems with mormorality. he's been doing god's work, driving around in some of the toughest parts of philly, just to try to figure out the challenges that that department is facing. i know you watched the segment. you heard the segment. you agree with so much of what he says. talk about the challenges that our men and women in blue are facing, whether it's in philadelphia, whether it's in
los angeles, new york, miami, or in the united states capitol, unfortunately. >> yeah, extraordinary challenges. that's what i write about in the book. in fact, the book has an epilogue now to incorporate the events of january 6th. i felt it was so important to talk about that impact. let's face it, joe, i think you understand on this show, that but for the capitol police and metropolitan police on january 6th, the indispensable institution, as your guest yesterday described them, we would have lost but for the police. the essentialness of policing cannot be denied, but it has to be centrist. it can't be to the left or the right. that's the challenge, to stay center. it's an extraordinary challenge, particularly with so much of our political leadership so far to the left, so far to the right. you talked earlier about the republican party is becoming a party of anarchists, basically. the democrats party also, particularly the progressive left, is creating phenomenal
fear in america through many of their policies. effectively, they're enabling criminals rather than preventing crime. so we're in a strange place in america at the moment. policing, as often is the case, we're in the middle. a man in the arena, as theodore roosevelt described him when he was police commissioner in the 1900s. challenging times for our country. challenging times for american policing. >> you know what i find so fascinating is that after george floyd's tragic death, republicans started accusing democrats of wanting to de-fund the police. i've had nancy pelosi on. i've had democratic leaders all across the political spectrum come on, and they all say the same thing. jim clyburn has, from the very start, said, "no, no, no, don't de-fund the police. we need more police officers." that's something that reverend al, a guy you know very well, haven't always agreed with him,
he hasn't always agreed with you, but he's always talking about, we need more police officers. we need reform, yes, but we need more police officers, not less. we need more policing, not less. we're hearing that from the mayor of washington, d.c. we're hearing that from other mayors who, two years ago, were talking about de-funding the police. so here's my question, we hear this and, yet, you look at new york city where eric adams has come in and he wants to empower the police. he wants to give the police more opportunity to stop the crime and to stop the murders in some of the most crime-addled areas in new york city. yet, it's other politicians on the far left who are stopping him. so i'm trying to figure out how we square this.
how does the democratic party effectively balance the safety of its most disadvantaged citizens because, let's face it, our neighborhoods, we're not facing the great challenges. the great challenges are being faced by the truly disadvantaged in new york city and across america. the question is, how do democrats effectively balance the need for more cops, more safety, at the same time more reform? >> i'm not optimistic about that, joe. you referenced eric adams. he is an uphill battle against the legislature, the city council, the attorney general. literally everybody else in the criminal justice system is going in a different direction than he is. new york city is living in fear. fear is growing throughout every neighborhood in the city. as much as eric is trying to walk the walk and talk the talk, as fast as he is walking, in the
other direction, the progressive left is going in the other direction. they're effectively enabling the criminals with the reforms they put in place. in many respects, disarming the police. there is no support for the police from the political establishment in new york city and new york state, with the exception of the mayor and one or two of the district attorneys. unless they get smart and turn it around, they'll get wiped out in november certainly. couple years down the line, they'll get wiped out of elected offices at the state and local level. the fear is going to grow as the crime is growing. i'm an optimist, but for new york at the moment, i'm not too optimistic, unfortunately. >> we're going through a really hard time, and, commissioner, if you will, if you could stay with us, we're going to sneak in a break here. also still ahead, we have georgia on our mind. georgia's secretary of state will testify before the january 6th committee today about former president trump's push to change the state's 2020 election results. it's also primary day in the
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it is the top of the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." a live look at capitol hill, where it's all going to be happening today. starting at 1:00 eastern time, hearing number four on the january 6th capitol attack. >> these things have really, really been seen as compelling by the american people. 20 million saw the first night's hearings. millions continuing to watch. today, we'll hear testimony from republican state officials who refuse to go along with donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 elections, mika. plus, new reporting that trump's team is now setting up john eastman, the lawyer who came up with the legal strategy behind the big lie, to take the blame. >> whoever saw that coming? >> i mean, this is vintage trump. two of the biggest issues on the world stage, as well. on the economy, what is to
blame for rising inflation? in ukraine, is it time for a u.s. humanitarian peacekeeping mission? jonathan lemire, what are we expecting to see in the january 6th hearings today, and tell us, really, i mean, i'm sure the white house is saying, oh, we're busy working, we're not watching, but they're watching, right? >> oh, they're watching. they have kept a distance from this publicly. they say this is congress' show to run, and they obviously did not allow executive privilege for former president trump and his allies that would have blocked some of this testimony from appearing. but they're largely keeping hands off. they're keeping a close eye on it. aides continue to say, at some point, we should expect the president to weigh in. in terms of today, hearing four, it is, indeed, about the state efforts, elections in georgia and arizona, those election officials in those states rebuffing former president trump's push to get them to overturn the election results. most famously, of course, georgia, where he called out for exactly 11,780 votes, one more
that would give him one more than what joe biden won. that would have given him georgia. there will be a focus, also, on this scheme to have the alternate set of electors from a number of the state legislators, the battleground states. therefore, the theory goes from john eastman and others, if there were two sets of electors, well, vice president pence could say there is confusion, let's toss them out and give the election to donald trump. that, of course, didn't happen, but we'll dive into that this afternoon in the hearing. more on that, but we're still talking to commissioner bill bratton. commissioner, we showed last hour a picture of another republican candidate using firearms in his campaign ad. talking about going out hunting his political opponents. and i'm just curious, your take not only on the dangers of the
sort of ultra violent, fascist imagery that's being shown in one political ad after another. the "washington post" says over 100 political ads by republicans this year, but also, again, we're talking about ar-15s again in yet another school shooting, a grocery store shooting. you look at the mass shootings, the high-profile mass shootings through the year, it is one ar-15 after another. in the case of uvalde, the one thing we haven't talked about, the fact is, there is a reason the cops were sitting outside. that is, in part, because you had an 18-year-old kid that was able to buy a weapon of war, and many of them felt like they were outgunned. so what do yes do to fix that? >> i wish i had the answer. i'm a centrist. i've worked for democrats. i've worked for republicans. i'm not a republican. i'm not a democrat. i vote the issues. republican party right now is a party of anarchists. they're crazy.
knuckle head that you showed basically, the campaign head, is an example of it. they are inciting violence. they're inciting breaking the rule of law. god help us. democrats, on the other side, with policies particularly on the far left are enabling the criminal elements. if you steal $980 worth of items from the cvs in san francisco, you can't be arrested. we're in loony toons land at the moment. >> we are. >> the answer is to try to find common ground. we can get onto the common ground, talk to each other instead of past each other, and see each other. i write about that in the book. >> we're speaking with former police commissioner bill bratton. here is some of what he writes in the epilogue of his book, about the future of policing. quote, it has to go both ways. the cops can't be the only ones to ask to give, grow, reform, change. we have to find some way to undo
or reframe those developments that have disincentivized cops from engaging with the conditions we need them to tackle. we need to encourage officers to hold on while we ease back on the drastic changes made in a moment of national passion. we need them to keep suiting up because cops count and police matter. he goes on to write, the world is not compatible with the naivety of police abolitionists or police absolutists, but it isn't the drk place the cynics say either. most of us can come together on this and make things better. police can regain the trust of their communities, and communities can regain the trust of their police. i believe in that possibility. really, joe, that's the only way it works. >> yeah, it's got to work that way. there have been absolutists on both sides, and it's not just on the issue of policing but on so
many other issues. >> everything. >> gene robinson, we've got to get past that because people are dying every night, every weekend. at the time counts from major cities continue to skyrocket. >> yeah, i mean, certainly murder, homicide is way up. property crime is up in some places, as well. this is obviously worrisome and tragic for some people. i guess my question for bill bratton is to what extent is this, you know, officials, politicians taking actions that hamper police, and to what extent is it police essentially saying, well, if you don't like it, we're going to stand down? i mean, there's been reports of that sort of attitude among police in a lot of places, as
well. it seems to me it contributes to what we're seeing. >> the crime and fear problem in america at the moment in our major cities is basically been politically created. a lot of well-intended efforts after the murder of george floyd that went astray. the de-fund the police movement. the insanity of that. refund the police, train them better. there's no doubt that some police officers have stepped back, but the majority continue to go toward the danger. that is the great frustration about the situation in texas. they went toward the danger but then stopped, for whatever reason, which we will find out eventually. da after day, american police go toward the danger. they suit up, go out there, and they're not being supported from the right or the left. when the right is encouraging, as they did on january 6th, when the mob attacked and beat, continuously attacked and beat
american police officers trying to protect the capitol, that's the republican party. city after city, politicians on the democratic far left are constantly attacking the police, strangling them with rules and regulations, as they do here in new york, we are not in a good place. but we can get to a better place. we have to work like hell to get there. >> yes. former new york city police commissioner bill bratton, thank you so much for coming on this morning. his book, "the profession, a memoir of community, race, and the arc of policing in america." it's out now in paperbook with a new epilogue. in a few hours, the committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol will convene its fourth public hearing. the committee is expected to show how former president trump and his advisers coordinated a plan to submit fake electors to overturn the 2020 election. according to a "washington post" review of emails and memos,
lawyers advising trump knew the plan was baseless but pursued it anyway. the emails reveal that just days after the election, trump's advisers began strategizing how to construct a legal argument for advancing their own electors, even though laws in every state hold that electors are determined by the certified vote of the people. in particular, advisers began mulling whether key state legislatures controlled by the gop could appoint trump electors, even if the certified results showed biden had won. the "post" notes that by january 3rd, trump lawyer john eastman was circulating a memo that argued vice president mike pence should cite the bogus electors as legitimate. ultimately, pence refused to recognize the trump electors, earning him a president's anger. today's hearing will also
feature this infamous phone call. >> all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. so what are we going to do here, folks? i only need 11,000 votes. fellas, i need 11,000 votes. give me a break. >> that's donald trump demanding that the georgia secretary of state -- >> cheat. >> -- cheat and find him one more vote than he lost by. of course, that was brad raffensperger on the other side of the line days before the insurrection. he was just, i mean, political target put on his back. he ended up winning overwhelmingly. but he's testifying today. the other two are top deputies, gabe sterling and also arizona house speaker rusty powers, who
says trump and giuliani called him after the election, asking him to help overturn president biden's victory in the state. we'll also hear from shaye moss, a former georgia election worker. she and her mother were targeted in a debunked voter fraud conspiracy that i'm sure your friends sent to you about boxes of ballots underneath a table that they took out. it was all, of course, a big lie pushed by giuliani, trump, and the conspiracy websites. moss, of course, says she received death threats because of the false accusations, and she's settled out of court since with rudy giuliani and a news network. now, mike barnicle, we're going to bring in atlanta journal constitution's greg blustein. i remember your friend talking about florida, florida, florida. put it up on a small white board
as being the center of the political universe. boy, you look at georgia, georgia, georgia. it looks like the epicenter of american pop ti politics has mo north one state, if you look what happened last two years ago, when democrats shocked the political world and took over the senate. you look at what happened in the presidential race when joe biden broke into the solid south. you look at these hearings right now, and you look at, of course, the grand jury that's investigating donald trump trying to steal the election. man, a lot going on politically in georgia that could shape the political future of this country. >> you know, joe, florida was the epicenter of american pl politics for a long time now, ever since the president said to the secretary of state, you know, "give me a break. find me 11,800 votes." it's that way today.
greg, there was a criminal investigation being conducted in georgia about the president's role and trying to fix or switch or bag the election for him. what progress has that investigation made? where do we stand on that investigation today? >> special grand jury in fulton county is meeting as we speak, and carr is set to testify before the grand jury hearing today to speak about trump's efforts to overturn the election. donald trump famously called the attorney general, as well, upset that chris carr, the attorney general, had rallied other attorneys general around the nation to fight the texas complaint. remember the texas complaint seeking to invalidate the voters' will in georgia and other states? so that investigation is still moving forward. we might not hear anything from it for months. you know, we're hearing very little from the actual witnesses who are testifying. brad raffensperger testified for
that committee, that special grand jury hearing, as well. but that might be the best case for prosecutors in the nation who hook to prosecute, to charge donald trump with election fraud or his allies with election fraud. >> greg, this is gene robinson. with georgia being the center of the political universe now, you know georgia politics as well as anybody does, what are you seeing as we approach the midterms? senator warnock is up for re-election. you know, the governor's office is up in the middle of all this turmoil in georgia. how are things shaping up? >> we're the most closely divided political state in the nation, in my view. 11,000, 12,000 votes divided joe biden and donald trump two years ago, and we're still closely divided. but the dynamics are leaning toward republicans right now with the inflation, with joe biden's struggling approval ratings here, and the fact that republicans, like brian kemp,
the governor, like brad rechbs raffensperger, they beat back the trump-backed challengers. to a certain block of voters, they seem a lot more moderate by contrast to the trump-backed challengers. that's a challenge for democrats moving forward right now, to try to paint those republicans as the far right. because they're not as extreme as david perdue or jody hice or the other trump-backed challengers who got trounced last month in the primaries here. >> apparently, former president trump and his team have reportedly found their fall guy for everything tied to january 6th. "rolling stone" reports that former trump attorney john eastman could get all the blame. the january 6th committee showed eastman was the mastermind in trying to keep trump in power by overturning the election. sources tell the magazine in recent weeks, the former president confided to those close to him that he sees no reason to publicly defend
eastman. the sources also say that in recent months, trump has used his usual excuses when someone close to him is accused of misdeeds, telling people privately that he hardly or barely knows eastman. we should note that this report has not been independently confirmed by nbc news, but, boy, it sure smells of trump. both eastman and trump spokespeople did not respond to requests for comment from "rolling stone." >> this is, jonathan lemire, so predictable. >> it's what he does. >> you push that person out. they do what you tell them to do, then when it goes badly for donald trump, they get cut off at the knees. looks like it may happen to john eastman, as well. >> ibarely knew him. former president trump used phrases like that to describe senior white house aides he'd see every single day in the west wing. john eastman, we know, is at the center of this scheme with the
fake electors. he was in constant contact with the former president, with the former president's closest aides. this obviously line of excuse carries no credibility to it whatsoever. joe, frankly, the only surprise is that remember in the first days of these hearings, we heard from ivanka trump, the president's daughter, talk about how she believed that attorney general barr's assessment, that wasn't election fraud. the only surprise is president trump said, ah, i barely know her, his own flesh and blood. i don't think people would put much stock in his excuses here. >> i really don't think so. of course, we remember donald trump's first national security adviser, a certain general who was his closest advisers. >> creepy. >> the second he got in trouble, trump suddenly didn't know him. trump suddenly said, oh, he was hardly ever around. >> oh, my god, he was always around. remember, he was lurking around the white house halls. if he had a meeting, he'd be
right there in the door, clutching books. >> always lurking. yet, of course, trump also tweet tweeted he needed to be sent to jail because he lied. but that changed. things always seem to change. i'm curcurious, greg, help us understand georgia a little bit better. i always talk about how i was born there. when i was born there, the suburbs of north atlanta were solidly democratic. that manged in the early '70s, it was more republican and then solidly republican. the home of newt gingrich and many other republicans. then switch back. what are you finding right now two years into joe biden's term, where you seem to have, of course, a lot of swing voters unhappy with where joe biden has taken the country.
at the same time, you have a lot of georgia voters, even republicans, obviously not following donald trump anymore. where does this leave this key swing state? >> the suburbs are the key for democrats. gwinnett county, it is a central, basically, cornerstone of the democratic coalition now. it used to be so solidly republican that democrats wouldn't bother to run state legislative candidates in the county. same with cobb county, the home of newt gingrich and other famous conservatives in georgia. the suburbs now, democrats face the challenge. it is still going to lean blue, but without donald trump on the ballot, how do you get those centrist voters who were so compelled to vote against donald trump in 2020 but might have voted for brian kemp in 2018? that's the challenge for stacey abrams and senator warnock right now. they try to express their
independence, demonstrate their independence from joe biden. they still support biden's policies, but, you know, just the other day, just yesterday, raphael warnock celebrated a house subcommittee's decision that essentially overturned, that blocked joe biden's plans to close a military insulation in georgia. you're going to see a lot more efforts from warnock and abrams to show they have a maverick streak. >> all right. the atlanta general constitution's greg bluestein, thank you. see you again soon. president biden may call on congress to suspend the federal gas tax, a move that could save drivers, could, as much as 18 cents per gallon. but he'll need cooperation from congress to make it happen. also need the gas stations to pass that on to the customers. joining us now, president and founder of eurasia group and g-zero media, ian bremmer.
asinflation, you had a tweet. you wrote, quote, u.s., left government, high inflation. uk, right government, high inflation. germany, centrist government, high inflation. italy, everyone in government, high inflation. wild guess, it's not government. let's talk about what it is, ian. >> i mean, of course, it is government, in part, but it is not the government. >> right. >> that's the whole point. everybody that is pointing to say that this is all about biden or it's all about boris johnson or it's all about bolsonaro in brazil, this is a massive, global inflation shock. the reason for it is because you had an incredible conomic disruption from the pandemic. and after, it hit literally everyone. covid destroyed global supply
chains. on top of that, the producer for most of the world's goods, china, had a zero covid policy that no longer works. they've got shutdowns and openings and shutdowns and openings and ports that are closed up. their growth this year is more than 2% or 3%, opposed to more than double that, which we were expecting. on top of that, you have the russian invasion of ukraine. governments around the world met those shocks with a flood of money. i mean, you know, the printers were on. fiscal spending to try to keep, you know, the populations from falling apart with those shocks. and it worked. but i want to be clear, massive demand was falling on shrinking and disrupted supply, and that's why, no matter what your government looks like in the world right now, most likely, you are facing really record levels of inflation. >> ian, are you seeing any government that's doing a better
job than the others, one that stands out to you? >> well, france is actually doing a better job, in part because the europeans are suffering massively. their inflation is more because of the big energy shocks that they've had with the russian war in ukraine. france gets so much more of their domestic energy from nuclear power. their inflation is, indeed, very high, but it's a lot lower than the uk or germany or italy. i do want to mention, joe, that, you know, macron this weekend got absolutely hammered in the second round of parliamentary elections in france. so now he is the first president in 20 plus years that, you know, doesn't have a majority in parliament. so even there, i mean, if i was having this conversation on morning, whatever the france version of this is, you know, you'd be talking about why it is
macron doing a horrible job. >> it is, of course, "morning joe." >> joseph. >> joseph. >> you were talking about france, and i was reading an article about it yesterday. we're used to the italians or even the brits cobbling together these disparates together to make a ruling coalition. i was reading the politics. they don't do collision governments. they don't work with people they don't like. this will be a particularly fascinating time, isn't it? >> it is. although, i'd say in europe, let's keep in mind, that as much as euro skepticism has made it harder for individual governments to govern and, you know, even olaf scholz has seen it in germany, and macron is about to experience it in a big way, and in france you almost
never get a second term. macron got what he wanted and now he will figure out what coalition government is like. but the eu is seen more important by citizens for defense, for vaccines, for distribution, more important for redistribution of wealth. the greeks, the spaniards, the italians all basically got a marshall plan from the wealthy european countries. different from the euro zone crisis in 2009/2010. it is true the french, germans, and italians will find it harder to govern the countries, but you have stronger european institutions. in the united states, when red states and blue states hate each other, we have washington. that's it. >> yeah. >> if we can't get anything done in response in washington, well, you know, you can go scratch, as my mom used to say. >> i'll tell you, from the start of this war, the russian-ukrainian war, you really have seen the rise, not only the re-emergence of nato,
but also the rise of the eu as a real force globally, even more so than before. ian bremmer, thank you so much. >> thanks, ian. >> greatly appreciate you being here, as always. ian's latest book is titled "the power of crisis, how three threats and our response will change the world." still ahead on "morning joe," more primary elections are taking place today, including in alabama. we'll take a look at how former president trump's flip-flop endorsement could play out. >> who is he for today? >> i don't know. it's the gop senate primary there, though. we'll be following that. plus, can ron desantis displace trump as the republican party's combatant-in-chief? the "new yorker's" dexter filkins joins us. also, we'll be joined by the surgeon general on the heels of the united states opening up coronavirus vaccine eligibility to children under 5. you're watching "morning joe."
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31 past the hour. time for a look at the morning papers. according to the "news press" in florida, new research has found a strong association between a toxin found in some algae and lou gehrig's disease, also known as als. the toxin can be produced by some bacteria and blue-green algae. the paper writes, there's enough evidence to conclude that the toxin can cause als, and exposure to it over time increases the risk of developing the disease. the "boston globe" highlights a report that found racial inequities in the distribution of liquor licenses. according to the report, the city's four neighborhoods with the highest number of white residents hold eight times as many liquor licenses per person as boston's more diverse
neighborhoods. restaurants and politicians in boston have alleged the racial disparity in liquor licenses for years. in rhode island, the "providence journal" writes the cost of fireworks is skyrocketing. fourth of july shoppers should brace themselves for 35% more. experts say the price is due to an increase in the cost of shipping, supplies, insurance, labor, and gasoline. in connecticut, the "hartford current" reports governor lamont is considering an extension of free bus rides across the state beyond december 1st. lamont says the measure would cost less than $20 million and would need to be approved by the democrat-controlled state legislature. and "the tallahassee democrat" reports that desantis' campaign started sending what it calls the desantis education agenda to school board candidates.
the questionnaire is designed to gauge how closely local school board candidates align with the republican leader's education priorities. and more now on governor desantis. an analysis of campaign finance data from "politico" shows the governor has been winning over some of donald trump's biggest donors. the friends of ron desantis political action committee has received just over $3 million this election cycle from ten donors who collectively spent $24 million on trump's re-election bid. the data shows these donors have previously never contributed to state-level florida elections, signaling desantis is a viable candidate for a 2024 election run with or without trump in the race. joining us now, staff writer for the "new yorker," dexter filkins. his new piece in the "new yorker" is entitled, "can ron
desantis displace donald trump as the gop's combatant-in-chief? my answer is they all want to. >> he definitely wants to. i think ron desantis wants to run for president right now. the question has always been, like, what's president trump going to do? is he going to run again or not? i think increasingly, you know, as what your reporting indicated, increasingly, he is ready to go himself. not there yet, but it seems increasingly plausible because he is surging everywhere. >> we know trump and desantis have, at this point, a pretty fraught relationship. trump gave desantis a key endorsement that helped him win in the first place, but now he is upset desantis hasn't shown sufficient loyalty. that means desantis hasn't ruled out a run if trump were to jump in himself in 2024.
speak about the desantis perspective. how does his camp view trump? it seems they're positioning him to the right of trump on moat most issues, right? >> they're competing for the same constituency. it's the same voters. the assumption has been that those are trump's voters. the way governor desantis really came to the national prominence was over covid. he's been well to the right, you know, very, very libertarian, now anti-mask, anti-vaccine, but really playing to that crowd, which is kind of anti-science, anti-elites, more than president trump. >> dexter, you've spent several months reporting on this piece for the "new yorker" this week. i want to read a paragraph from the piece to you. it is from a speech he gave in orlando earlier this year. you write, from the main stage, desantis flashed a smile and tossed baseball caps into the crowd. in the 20-minute speech, he described an america under assault by left-wing elites who,
quote, want to delegitimize our founding institutions. his job as governor, he said, was to fight the horsemen of the left, critical race theory, fauci dystopia, immigration, left-wing oligarchs, prosecutors, transgender athletes, and the corporate media. that's a pretty good portrayal of a guy running from the right, from the for right, as president of the united states. given his personality, which you describe fairly thoroughly, that he is a little distant from the average person in meeting them, how does he do this? >> i don't know. to me, that's the biggest question of all, which is he's great in front of a crowd. you know, like, that was at cpac in orlando. you know, there were 3,000 people in the room. he's great. he can do a speech. i think the trouble, and this is -- i mean, i talked to many, many people who know him and have known him over the years, is one-on-one. in small groups of people, he's
just not very good. he is really awkward. he looks away. he's rude. he just checks out. as many, you know, political consultants, et cetera, said, you can't do that, like, if you're talking to, you know -- like if you're in a room and meeting voters, you're talking to people who are going to write you a check, yeah, you can't just get up and walk away. like, that's definitely an issue for him. you know, i think it is going to be a big challenge. >> dexter, talk a little bit about -- i mean, i've definitely heard that republican insiders would much rather deal with ron desantis than donald trump. like, they'd much rather have him. also, i understand you write about his cozy relationship with fox news. is there anything to the things that some people have heard about fox even moving to florida and desantis sort of making some sort of easy path for them to be able to relocate to the state?
is that part of anything that you've heard? >> no. but they definitely love each other. i mean, you know, i took a kind of -- you know, i did a public records request for all the emails between fox and desantis and his people for, like, just over a really brief period. it's like, they're calling him every day to come on. they're working together. it's basically, like, they're his pr shop. you know, they like him. he likes them. they're working out the questions together. it's a collaborative enterprise, and it is really the thing that pushed him forward. >> he wouldn't meet with you though? >> no, no. that was striking to me. i'm from florida. i grew up there. i was a reporter there for a long time. he can talk to anybody, like, anybody would pick the phone up for ya, and that is no longer true. i think the republican establishment in florida, such as it is, desantis, et cetera,
they don't need the "new yorker." they don't need "the new york times." they don't need the "washington post." they know they don't. so they just don't pick the phone up. it is just really hard. you know, even if your intentions are good, you want to be as fair as possible, they don't want to talk to you. >> wow. dexter filkins, thank you very much. we're going to be reading the new piece in the "new yorker" about governor ron desantis. coming up, we're going back to capitol hill for more about the trio of republicans who will give testimony this afternoon to the january 6th committee. also ahead, guns have been prominent in republican campaign ads this year. perhaps even more so than in years past. you'd think they might be a little tone deaf here. i'm just thinking this is perhaps tone deaf. but one gop senate candidate has taken things even further. we'll tell you about his controversial call to hunt, quote, rhinos. we'll be right back.
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welcome back to "morning joe." in the fourth hour of "morning joe," we'll speak live with the u.s. surgeon general about the rollout of covid vaccines for kids under the age of 5. before that, let's bring in staff writer at the "atlantic" magazine, ed young. he won the pulitzer prize for his coverage of the covid-19 pandemic. he's also the author of the new book, "an immense world, how animal senses reveal the hidden realms around us." we're going to get to that in a moment. first, we want to get a sense of where we are with covid. i feel like there's more coming. it's not behind us, but things are better. ed? >> i agree. i think we've been through another surge. cases and hospitalizations are up but, fortunately, icu
admissions and deaths have not surged in the same way. in a sense, that's good, but i think that leaves us a little bit complacent in the face of many of the challenges we still face. relying on things like vaccines to blunt the burden of severe disease and death does leave out the importance of preventing infection, which is still very much a big issue. infection increases the risk of long covid. it taxes our health care system, which even if icus aren't full, it's still in a permanently stressed state. i've written before about how our hospitals are still overburdened because of people who have left the profession. the health care system really can't take much more. it's already on a tenuous footing. any kind of shock to it stresses
the resilience that it just doesn't have right now. >> ed, i'm glad you brought up long covid. certainly, it seems measuring wants to be done with this pandemic, and some say, if you get it, no big deal. you'll be down for a few days, week at moment, then you'll be all right again. there's still so much we don't know about long covid and ramifications months, years down the line. speak on that a little more if you'd like, but also experts you speak to regularly on the matters of the pandemic, how fearful are they there could be new variants emerging, particularly, say, this fall or winter, some which, perhaps, could evade some of the protectios offered by vaccinations? >> yeah, let's talk about long covid first. this has been an issue throughout the entire pandemic. we know that people who aren't hospitalized, who don't have, quote, severe illness, can, nonetheless, be severely disabled and incapacitated for months, if not years. because of the neglect of this
condition, we still know very little about the risk factors, you know, how to prevent it, how to treat it. we're getting there. we're getting there largely because of the work of long haulers themselves who advocated for their own lives, their own protections. i think they've done a tremendous job, but there is still an uphill battle left to fight because of our negligence of preventing infections. you've also talked about -- sorry. you also asked about what is to come, about variants on the horizon. i think that is very much a major thing to be concerned about. again, this speaks to the necessity of controlling the spread of the virus or reducing infections rather than just focusing on severe illness and death, as many in the government and other parts of the country are doing. >> all right. so we want to talk about your
new book out today, "an immense world, how animal senses reveal the hidden realms around us." i have the cutest dog with me right now. i was going to ask you about him, but first about the book. what do we learn about animals, ed? >> so the book is about the sensory world of other animals. the fact that each species has its own set of sights, sounds, and smells that it can tap into, and other species might not. so i, as a human, can't sense the electric fields around us, the magnetic fields of the planet that songbirds and turtles can use to navigate. i can't see ultraviolet light that would make flowers and birds look entirely different to my eyes. each species has its own unique way of perceiving the world. "an immense world" is sort of a travelog, a vyage through the sensory world.
>> what made you become so interested in this concept? what triggered this? >> i've listening been interested in it. the idea for this become is actually my wife's idea. she also used to study the way coral reef fish see colors. but i think this is justbook is actually my wife's idea. she studied the way coral reef fish see colors. and i think it is an endlessly fascinating area. it opens our mind to such cool biology. i think it also recasts the world around us in a very different way. when i walk my dog, who is a corgi, i pay attention to the way he sniffs and he explores the world with his nose tells me that the streets around my neighborhood tell me that might be boring to me, actually changing all the time. and through his nose, get to see the mundane in a new, magical way.
flickers of the extraordinary in the ordinary. >> that is fascinating stuff you are writing about there. i don't know anyone with a higher sense of danger than a chocolate lab. they sniff out potential danger on the corner. i want to talk briefly about something you mentioned a few moments ago, our healthcare system. front page story in the new york times is about the number of nurses who have just retired, leaving the positions, leaving doctors unable to schedule surgeries because are not enough nurses. things like that due to what covid did to damage the nursing profession. >> absolutely. the nursing profession was already overstretched before the pandemic and it has taken a huge hit during it. covid's affect is cumulative.
not just what is happening now in terms of hospitalization numbers, but the total effective 2+ years of trauma and horror. the nursing profession has been on the absolute front lines of that. they see what happens to patients and between that, horrible working conditions, a lot of them have decided that they have had enough. what that means is that there are fewer people at the bedside to look after patients, but there is less experience, a lot of veteran nurses have left and that means that on the whole, the american healthcare system knows less than it used to and that cannot help but lower the spent standard of care for all of us. that is a predicament we currently find ourselves in and that is not going to go away anytime quickly. we are going to have to grapple with that for years to come. and regardless of what covid does, even if it disappears
tomorrow, which it is not going to do, the effects on the health care system are going to last for a long time. >> pulitzer prize winning reporter for the atlantic, ed yong, i finally got a picture of the dog. >> it is hard to believe that you're able to get that up past the guards on your 54th floor 30 rock condo. the new book is an immense world, how animal senses reveal the hidden world around us. coming up, the latest from capitol hill. the hearing will focus on donald trump's efforts to pressure state officials and to change election results. and it update from senator chris on the status of elections. steve kornacki will be at the big board to break down the biggest races.
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we are just hours away from the next hearing into the attacks on the capitol on january 6. this afternoon, state officials from georgia and arizona will testify about donald trump's efforts to pressure them into helping him overturn the 2020 election. plus, the consistent message from the january 6 rioters. the came to the capitol because they believed trump's lie that the election was stolen. how the select committee is trying to connect the dots between trump's rhetoric and the mob violence. >> by the way, that reminds me , mike barnicle, that reminds me of a insight that we had from the d.a. , state attorney, because there have been some legal analysts that say if trump actually believed that the election was stolen, he may be able to get off legally.
the fact is, every day we have the justice department throwing people in jail for committing crimes connected to january 6. and they believed, they believed that actually the election had been stolen, so it seems to me that, i don't know, if our legal system actually held donald trump to the same standards as the rest of the country seems to be held to, he would be in legal trouble right now but i think right now there is a real question, will merrick garland and the justice department hold donald trump to the same standard as they hold every member of congress, every senator, every governor, every local official? >> you get the sense it is one of two critical questions hanging over the hearings. what will merrick garland and the justice department do about these charges? from a federal judge in california, he practically said
donald trump ought to be indicted for what he has done in the past. we will find out what doj does. that is one thing. the other element is that everyone is consumed with the price of gas and groceries in this country. you get the feeling that they are not really paying attention to what we are paying attention to, what we do is our job, we cover the hearings and talk about the hearings and the danger is we seem to be, as a country, sort of slow walking ourselves to autocracy. we have had the hideous guy running for governor in missouri with the ad featuring a no-knock warrant and multiple warrants. we have the republican party, at least my knowledge is no one of any significance in the republican party is trying to stand up for. >> congressman kissing gets
here, it has been appropriate anytime particularly in the mass shootings with the senate trying to get some sort of deal done on guns and as joe mentioned, it appeals to the fascist wing of the republican party. one that will attract attention from the primary field we have to see if that works. hopefully enough republicans will rebel against that. >> this is not a minor player. this is the former governor of the state of missouri. also not just this case or a couple of other cases, the washington post had an article describing how over 100 republican candidates this cycle have used guns in their ads to try to show exactly where they stand in this culture war, a culture war that
many of them suggest may have to turn violent because the elites, the liberals, have gone in such an extreme direction. >> you wonder why the hearings are important. >> we talked about this yesterday, mika, i had not even seen the ad where a guy is saying with weapons and other people in full tactical gear, saying we have to go out and hunt our political opponents. we have to hunt down , quote, trend 19, which is defined by donald trump as anyone who does not agree with donald trump's very anti-democratic, anti- conservative worldview, but it is ongoing. if the republican party wants to save itself from the continued slide toward fascism, it is so important that leaders rise up and step up and speak out against these types of ads. against ads in their midst.
again i spoke about another extreme example from sometime back where we had a member of congress holding an ar-15, saying that people had to basically go after aoc and representative omar and other members of the squad. it is violent imagery. the threat of violence in words that donald trump would do regularly, and it is, of course, actual violence, as we are going to see today again in this january 6 testimony. >> absolutely. we will give you a glimpse of the ads in just a moment and continue that part of the conversation but now let's bring in senior capitol hill correspondent garrett hake. set the scene for us for today's hearing. for mac i think you can think of the hearing as a prequel to
the hearing we saw last thursday, pulling back the lens and going back in time one half months or so before the attack on the capitol to show the trump campaign's effort to try to find votes to overturn the election after the states were called then failing that, to find elect doors that could come to washington, d.c., and lie about what the votes were in those states. the committee wants to use more republican witnesses to tell that story. there bring in top election officials from georgia, the speaker of the house from arizona, all republicans who stood up to the trump pressure campaign to talk about how they pushed back. the georgia episode was widely reported at the time. we all knew about the phone call to brad raffensperger. we know about the efforts by mark meadows. the arizona portion today will feel newer to most people. it was not as well covered and involve some of these outside players, including rudy giuliani, we might hear the name ginni thomas in this
hearing. it will catch a lot of people off guard today. just as you were discussing a little bit at the top, what is still in the water appear is the discussion about a criminal referral. how does the january 6 committee make sure that it is not just the american public was seeing their work. it is the folks at the doj. we learned at the end of last week that they are going to be can cooperating with the doj to get transcripts to them and they're making sure that everything that is said in the hearings is seen by the prosecutors at the state and federal level to try to push for the kind of accountability we were discussing. >> and bc's garrett hake. thank you very much. let's bring in ryan riley. whenever these hearings are going on. i cannot help but to think of all the people who have been not only accused of crimes in the insurrection, but many of them are off to jail already and trump sits there. >> a lot of them have completed
the jail sentences already. there people who had ranges up to 5 years. a lot of sentences have been a few months range. that was the focus of my latest piece, talking about how a lot of the individuals still believe these allies. there a lot of individuals who go before the judges and say they have been tricked and have been fooled. that is a tough pill to swallow because you admitting you throw away your life because you got tricked, you got scammed. you believe the lies about the stolen election but a lot of folks deeply believe that and that is a core part of their identity. they cannot admit that they were tricked and they believe these bogus lies that they read on the internet and heard from the commander in chief and took criminal action because of it.
>> it is interesting following your twitter feed and others, it is something how the justice department continues to just roll these people up day after day, send them to prison day after day and are still actively in pursuit of many people at the capitol who are trying to be identified. talk about that process because we are hearing complaints that merrick garland is not going far enough against donald trump but it seems like it is a full- court press by the justice department to bring these people to justice who participated in a riot at the capital january 6. >> that is right. the charges have ranged from the lowest charges, the picketing charges that people plead guilty to, all the way to seditious conspiracy. with two major conspiracy cases against the oath keepers and
the proud boys. i think if the committee can connect the oath keepers to the trump administration and the people in trump's orbit, that will be especially revealing there. in concert with doj what the committee reveals could be potentially revealing. but there more than 825 cases, more than 300 people pleaded guilty already. it really is -- there are hundreds more of these cases. online sleuths have said that more than 2005 and a people and to the capitol. the fbi website features 350 people who have not been arrested yet who are wanted for serious assaults, including 250 who assaulted the fbi says, members of law enforcement, who still have not been arrested. those a lot of people we are talking about going in the future. the total specter could be about 3000 cases in the and. thank you so much. it is always great to have you on.
now to this. president biden may call on congress to suspend the federal gas tax ahead of the july 4 weekend. kelly o'donnell has more. >> reporter: the great getaways of summer. american drivers feeling the heat as tens of millions will spend big to fill their tanks. for many, family destinations will be spots like this where president biden greeted beachgoers and talked about a potential plan to reduce the price at the pump. says he may ask congress to have a federal gas tax holiday. >> it's what i'm looking for by the end of the week. >> reporter: it could save consumers the federal tax played on each gallon. a small temporary savings to ease average prices, hovering
just under $5.00 per gallon. later this week, he will meet with oil executives helping to increase supply. >> i want an explanation for them about why they are not providing more oil. >> reporter: some see troubling signs. >> the dominant probability is that by the end of next year, we would be seeing a recession in the american economy. >> reporter: the president as and his team insist a downturn can be avoided. >> it is not at all inevitable. >> there is nothing inevitable about a recession. >> david, it is looking pretty inevitable from here. is a recession inevitable? >> i don't think so but i think it is interesting listening to biden and secretary yellen making sure that we don't talk ourselves into it. there's a growing concession that the very mill way be maybe a recession. but at the same time, there is
a psychological impact of believing that one is inevitable and a content to bring it on. it is interesting having listened to what you were playing here in terms of what they're saying, it doesn't have to happen. look at all the outside pressures that the economy is facing. have a zero covid policy in china that has screwed up as getting supplies here, the supply chain, we have the war in russia that puts real pressure on energy prices and of course, $2 trillion sitting on the sidelines during covid. a lot of money. fewer supplies. we have this weird workforce situation where we are having trouble getting people to work, getting back to work in the way they did before. and mika and i were talking to somebody earlier about how we
are reading one article after another about people interviewing qualified candidates for jobs, talking about a start date, then those people not showing up. so, it is a lot of competing trendlines in this economy. help us make sense of it. >> a lot of crosscurrents. more than we have prep scene. you brought up some of the key ones. the war in ukraine is certainly such an important one, not to mention china's aggressive policy and covid which is kept the economy not exactly on lockdown, but underperforming. the one thing you did not mention is the fed and that figures in prominently with what we do here at cnbc.
the fed is aggressively raising rates to try to stop inflation. the inflation was here even before the war in ukraine, but certainly exacerbated by that. the rise in gas prices that we all know about. and we will see if they are successful in bringing the so- called soft landing. they raised it 75 basis points just last week. the expectation is they will continue to raise rates aggressively and reduce the size of the fed's balance sheet which was $9 trillion. there so many crosscurrents. can i help you make sense of them? can you give an answer? absolutely not. a lot of people trying to make sense of the latest data, whether it is on inflation, whether it is unemployment, which remains extraordinarily strong. whether it is on savings rates, and that the consumer seems to still have money in their pockets to spend. it's hard to know. that is the answer you will get for me, unfortunately. >> it is hard to exactly figure
out what is going on with oil prices. people see that we have extraordinary production capability and yet, they say why don't we just drill? why do we have to be dependent on russia? of course, if you could, talk about the market forces in covid that actually drove people away from oil exploration and how quickly we could ramp it up. >> we are still, we are the largest oil producer in the world. people may forget that. we are moving up, but not as fast as some would like. takes quite a while to get the permitting and get things moving. you cannot just turn a switch and there's another aspect to higher gas prices which has to do with refining capacity which is something the president sent a letter to last week about as well, because we are under refinery capacity. we do not have enough to process to get oil and gasoline out there as efficiently as we might otherwise. that is a key question.
then we have the larger issues and it is something, joe and mika, i know we will have tomorrow night on cnbc, a documentary. it is about climate change and what the companies, in particular, exxonmobil, as they try to satisfy the needs for consumers around the world in terms of energy, but vastly reducing their carbon footprint. trying to explain to us, is it real? is it not? you have a lot of different things like the economy going on in the energy world. >> actually, while you are talking about the documentary, let's take a look. major powerhouse based here in the u.s. exxonmobil playing a role here. take a look. so you want to be a leader. do you think that exxonmobil is a leader in that area? >> i think it will be. absolutely.
>> reporter: whether investors are ready to pay for faster energy transition. >> what would get you there? >> as events threaten to pivot, will lower carbon future encourage energy companies to keep pumping. >> america itself stands at a crossroad. in 2008, i was writing a book on the future of conservatism and they say we need to be champions of alternative energy sources so we can be independent as a nation. i am hearing the same thing now, it doesn't make economic sense. how do we make alternative
energy sources make economic sense for the markets? >> the power of the cost of solar and wind is competitive, but it takes a great of money to , in terms of the grade. at the same time we use largely, for our automobile, gasoline. we have -- it is happening relatively quickly but it will take 15 to 20 years until that is done. overall, we have the energy transition that we talk about and some people say should happen very quickly and can
happen, and others point to what is going on in europe right now saying, when you cut certain sources of energy off because they're bad for the planet, you risk perhaps not having enough electricity to power your economy. it is an interesting balance and one that many of the companies face as well as a get pressure to reduce the carbon footprint and we have an unparalleled opportunity to go and visit with exxonmobil and spend enormous amounts of time seeing what they are doing and they produce on one side, there obviously producing that. on the other, they have to produce as much and interestingly, being pushed by an administration that is very much focused on reducing carbon and yet being pushed to produce even more. it is an interesting balance and one that we go into great detail tomorrow night on our documentary. >> it premieres tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. thank you very much. it looks great. still ahead on morning joe, we will take you to new reporting on the uvalde massacre that contradicts what police say happened inside the school. and we will have the kremlin's first comments on the possible fate of two american
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we have more disturbing news this morning on the massacre in uvalde, texas. >> it is unbelievable. documents reviewed reveal police officers for were inside the school armed with high- powered rifles and the first ballistic shield at 11:52 a.m., 19 minutes after the gunmen entered the school. they do not breach the door to take him down for another hour, for 58 more minutes. this photo from the texas tribune shows at least two ballistic shields on the scene at 12:04. >> what the hell were they doing? what the hell was the on-site
leader telling them to do? >> that is the issue, actually. a student called 911 from inside the classroom, pleading for help. they still did not enter the classroom for another 46 minutes. the new revelation contradicts police that they don't have the proper equipment to contact confront the killer. they grew increasingly impatient . this is important. one say, if there are kids in there, we need to go in there. another responded that whoever is in charge determines that. a transcript of body camera footage shows that pete arredondo was trying to find keys to open the door. nbc news has not been able to verify the documents.
a lawyer for arredondo did not immediately respond to request for comment. he has defended his actions on that day and has previously said he responded to the information that we had and had to adjust to whatever we faced. i know we will bring in bill bradley but the point you're making about police in general being afraid to go in. i think when it comes out and listen to all the body camera video possible, you hear from a lot of cops that would have done anything to get there. >> the cops wanted to go in. >> they will live with that for the rest of the lives. >> a lot of the cops wanted to go in but the guy on the scene was telling them to hold back, fumbling around and looking for keys. >> following orders are everything. >> he was stalling and killing time while they were kids inside that were bleeding out. they were calling 911 and they were dying and could have been saved if he had done his job. let's bring in former new york city police mission or, now the executive chairman.
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quite clearly, that did not happen here. we will have to wait for the results from the special commission that has been formed. these drips of information coming out just infuriate us all. the idea that they have ballistic shields and a device the other day that would have popped the door. there is no explaining it other than a total failure of lack of leadership and command and control. that is absolutely essential. unity of command in everything that we train for is violated in this instance. >> former new york city police commissioner bill bratton, thank you for coming on this morning.'s book, the profession. it is out now in paperback with a new epilogue. coming up, last august, congressman mo brooks said this
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announces that he is going to go, quote, rino hunting, plains being the acronym for republican in name only. they have people break into a house and essay join the maga crew. meta removed the video saying it violated rules about violence. >> we actually cannot show the ad, i guess, that we were going to show the ad, because it is too violent. >> it is. >> you have greitens going in and kicking down the door with
guns. rinos is what stupid people call other republicans who disagree with them. by the way, stupid people pre- trump were even calling people rinos. it is for moderate republicans and republicans who disagree with them on the insurrection. again, here is a guy carrying a gun in with other people and they are hunting out the political opponents. this is fascism. i tried to bring this up and there are a couple of people being polite yesterday saying maybe we should not call it fascism. i don't know. this is using violence and violent imagery to basically tell people, vote for me. civil war is coming. it is where the republican party is right now. every republican needs to call this out unless they want
fascism to continue to rise in the party. >> benny thomas illini would be proud. isn't making terroristic threats and terroristic crime? i am a free speech absolutist but this is threatening. the primary opponents or any republican who dares to disagree with him with assault and a s.w.a.t. team assault that would kill them. this is absolutely impermissible and there has to be some way this can be sanctioned. this is not right. this is not acceptable. it is not legitimate political discourse as the republican party might call it.
anything but. this is a terroristic threat. >> this is what they do, gene. we have had several examples. there is a member of congress whose name i will not mention, who was holding and ar-15 and said that we had to go after the squad and then showed four democratic congresswomen in the picture as well. basically hunting four members of congress and time and time again, republicans do not call it out. we see it again here with the uvalde to add. hope republicans will call it out. we're talking about the rise of american fascism. you can look at january 6. you can looking at like this. you can look at the continued use of violent imagery. and donald trump telling people to beat people up in the
audience who disagree with them. >> this is why, unfortunate, this is the only thing that needs to matter when you're casting your vote, which is very hard to say, because the country has a lot of problems and we have a lot of growing pains. we have a lot of issues that we have fallen back on, but right now, this is the issue to vote on, even hillary clinton made that clear. either we move forward toward continuing a democracy, or we fall into something very dark and very frightening and very real. it is not an exaggeration at this point, especially when you look at how this is pervading our politics from the bottom up. started pretty much by donald trump. there are other reasons from past presidencies that we got here, we could have that conversation, we can make that blame, but this is where we are. this is what matters. it is not democrat/republican in terms of voting. >> it is not. >> it is democracy. >> a growing wing inside the republican party, again, we can
debate abortion, we can debate to guns, we can debate interest rates, we can debate -- >> gas prices >> quantitative easing. we can debate 1000 different issues before growing wing of the republican party, it is straight out pro-democracy versus anti-democracy. you look, whether it is vladimir putin, or whether it is just fascism. please go on your google machine and look up the definition of fascism and whether it was in germany, whether it is in italy, wherever it is, it is pushing aside democratic norms. the use of violence to do that. the use of violent imagery to do this. the glorification of violence
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we're hearing for the first time from the kremlin about two u.s. military veterans captured on the front lines in ukraine by russia. in an exclusive interview, sr. international correspondent keir simmons press the press secretary about the fate. we should note that russia is cracking down on journalists and limiting what they can say under the threat of imprisonment. >> reporter: the kremlin's first comments after two
american veterans on the front lines in ukraine were captured by russian forces. >> russian television has broadcast interviews. where are they? who is holding them? what happens next? >> there soldiers of fortune and they were involved in illegal activity on the territory of ukraine. they were involved in firing and shelling our military personnel and endangering the lives. they should be held as possible for those crimes that they have committed. >> reporter: in an exclusive interview, i asked about the two british nationals and the moroccan captured by separatist rebels in ukraine. now sentenced to death. >> can you guarantee that these americans will not face the same fate? >> i cannot guarantee anything. it depends on the investigation. >> reporter: we asked about another american being held in
russia, brittney griner, who was detained at the airport in february. she came to take part in sports and build bridges through sports. it's a terrible image that that she is there. >> it is also a terrible message that she brought these items. they are now leading the u.s. efforts to secure brittney griner's release, so the u.s. government is now approaching this as a hostage situation. >> i would strongly disagree with that. we cannot call her a hostage. she violated russian law and now she is being prosecuted. >> reporter: natal leaders warning of lung conflict in ukraine. one view that russia agrees on. >> are we in for a long conflict here? >> yes, it will be a long
crisis. we will never trust the west anymore. >> given the constraints for reporters, what you think of this overall because we have the two americans fighting for ukraine and the basketball star. >> let's talk generally about what is going on. if you work for the russian government, you lie through your teeth. that is what they have done, that is what they are doing. we will never trust the west again, please. >> welcome moment for parents and caregivers across the country. >> covid vaccine shots will be available to kids in 5 and under. that is right, no more excuses, time to head back to the office like the rest of us. we will talk to the u.s. surgeon general, dr. vivek
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ever ever in the first four days. let's bring in daniela pierre-bravo who sat down with the cast ahead of the premiere. >> not only is it a fresh take on the classic but it features an all latino cast and they played the parents and the bride and groom, we talked about the experience of re-imagining the iconic film and why you shouldn't just mistake it for a latino remake. take a look. >> what did you hope to achieve by remaking it with all latino cast. >> well first of all, a celebration of our culture and done with respect and in a way that avoids the stereotypes for a laugh and that focused on love and extended family and the things that bring us together as different latino cultures because we're very different as well and we celebrate that in the film. >> there is a misconception that latino are a monolith in
politics and culture hour. but there are so many ways that this film disspell those voe notions. how important was that? was that intentional? >> everything in the film is intentional other than the improvication of what we're lives and the character, when he said i'm an migrant, no i'm in exile, these are part of the cuban cultures that are just grained in us. >> both the cultures defines you in a different way. than someone who appreciates a cuba but has to let go of the american culture but was born somewhere else so he's holding on, holding on and holding on. but there is humor in that. >> even in the way that we look at the electorate and people analyze latinos in the u.s. and how we are going to vote, there is such a huge shift
generationally. >> for my, it is was tough. i grew up with very democratic ideas and would you get into it with her and talk about politics and things which is very difficult to talk to a cuban of that age about politics. and she would listen, but we had two completely different experiences as to what this country meant to us and it is a real thing. >> for you, diego, i'm a huge fan of the miguel series. >> me too. >> so this character has been a deviation from that. but you represent what it is to be 100% latino and american and which is the audience of the film. latinos that are watching this, send and third generation, did you think about that while with youer -- you were playing this character. >> i couldn't think of any hollywood movie that had two latino families coming together and at same time making it relatable enough for families all over the world. you said it yourself.
it is not a remake. it is the same title. which is a very important piece of ip that has been around since the 50s. but it is a different movie. and it showcases, you know, latino culture in a way with no stereotypes and in a way that is relatable to everyone. not just latinos. it is not a movie for latinos. it is about latinos, but for the world. >> what do you hope that audiences take away from this film? >> i want people to feel proud to be a latin american in this country and people who aren't latin american who really see just how different and also how similar we are to them. and i want people to have fun in this movie. i think there is a constant limbo that an migrant feels in this country, i'm not really from there because i left and
also not from here because i just arrived an it is a constant struggle and it is what sophie is living in. there are some traditions but there are some i want to let go and i think it is beautiful to embrace both. and it doesn't make you more or less latino if you were born here or fourth generation than if you're first generation. >> i hope that they enjoy this movie as much as we enjoyed filming it. because we became a family on and offset. we would hang out all of the time, zinners and gatherings and parties. >> i hear you're a big partier. >> threw some good parties. hey, you have to enjoy life. every minute. i just hope that they laugh and that they cry and that we mover them, we take them on an emotional journey and they forget and we entertain them for a while and feel this i.p. has
added something that is interesting and fun in a different way and that is just broadens our appreciation of each other. >> and the film is funny, it has heart and it is smart and it happens to have an all latino cast. and in the interview gloria said to me representation in the industry come a long way. she spoke about her musical career and the fact that record companies wanted to change her sound and the instruments so it didn't sound so latin. so although the film centers on two latin families that are different, it has a lot of universal appeal. >> wonderful. thank you very much. we appreciate it. it is now exactly the top of the fourth hour of "morning joe." >> we're almost half way there. three out of four hours of "morning joe." >> we have a lot to get to this morning. four hours from now, the house committee investigating the january 6 attack on the capitol will hold the fourth public hearing.
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