of america. >> tonight, don percentage decision from the court. the states that are already banning abortion access, and a battle to get it back. >> we're gonna have to fight a long way to get it back, but we're not gonna give up. >> tonight, rebecca traister, melissa murray, nancy northup,

gretchen whitmer, london lamar, and senator elizabeth warren all join me live. all in starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good evening from los angeles. i am chris hayes. it is a brutal day for american democracy, for american women, specifically, for all americans could become pregnant. for all americans, really. it right enshrined in the constitution as intimate as any right one could imagine. it has been discarded and destroyed by five unelected justices. three of whom were appointed, of course, by the last president, who got about 3 million fewer votes than his opponent. in american democracy, it is truly rare to see rights taken away in this fashion. the proverbial moral arc of the universe, justice, striving for a more perfect union, to watch these things born backwards towards a reactionary pass, as

starkly as this, and one moment to the next, it makes you feel physically nauseous. speaking only for myself, as a person who can become pregnant, a man, it's not even a tiny sliver of subjective insight to what it would feel like today, if i could. but if you feel a sense of deep mourning and gaining, raiche today, as the court undoes 50 years of precedent by overturning roe, you are not wrong to feel that way. this kind of thing, the ruling back a fundamental rights is not supposed to happen. but it is happening right now. and it has happened in the past. i think, today, during reconstruction, when reactionary forces weaponized racialized terrorism to undo the gains made after the civil war, to create a multi racial democracy. think about that period, ever since trump election, it's one of many examples, where the

forces of reaction in this country have tried to call back rights. and oftentimes, the strongest ally of those very same forces of reaction, the strongest ally they had was none other than the supreme court of the united states. like, with, for example, lexi fergus rule, and the disastrous ruling establishing the -- in fact, taking it as a whole over the long arc of american history, there probably been more instances in the history of a country, where the supreme court has sided with those forces of reaction, and those looking to strip away fundamental rights. and the times, is an institution fought towards democratic legitimacy. it was none other than our greatest president, president abraham lincoln, who said in his inaugural address, freshly elected, to preside over a nation it was coming apart. and in response to the supreme courts malignant, scott decision, which determined that black people were not eligible

for american citizen. lincoln said, quote, they candidates isn't must confess that of a policy of a government on the vital questions affecting the whole people is to be fixed by the decisions of the supreme court, the instant they're made in ordinary litigation between parties and personal actions, the people will have ceased their own rulers. that is lincoln. in other words, the court is going to settle all the matters as grave and fundamental as this, then we give up being a free people, can determine our own lives. again, particularly when the question at issue there was citizenship. again, this was specifically response to the court citing, time and time again, with the institution of slavery, acting as a backstop to the worst reactionary forces in the country's history. and, to be clear, slavery and reconstruction have no actual analog in american politics. they exist in their own playing. it is now clear on this day, that the trump supreme court is squarely planting its flag in

the historical tradition of marauding reaction that has so often characterized that body. here it is again, assisting the forces of backlash politics, working to undo what progress, society, social movements, and democratic politics, and other courts have made, towards equal protection under the law. and a dream of a multi cultural, multi racial democracy for all. and much of that changed, it made real, tangibly, only less than five, six decades. it's very precisely delicately young. today, of, course the court and i laid it half a century of settled precedent, simply because it had the votes to do so. the decision by far-right justice samuel alito cited history in the manifest, that is even inconsistent with the

punitive historical methodology. the gun case, when the same right-wing court loosened restrictions on who could carry a firearm in public. but of course, none of this is about history or methodology or constitutional rights, this is about the rocks ocean of power by five right-wing judges who have absolute veto proof authority over the rest of the country. today, millions of americans have their right to bodily autonomy stripped, because of this radical activist group. >> according to south dakota's trigger law, as of today, all abortions are now illegal in the state. unless there is a reasonable medical judgment that and abortion is necessary to preserve the life of the mother. there is no exception for rape or incest. >> governor mike parson weighing in on the supreme court's ruling, after standing a proclamation ending abortion in missouri. one of 13 states with a trigger

law, meaning the ban went into effect almost immediately. >> this decision sets off trigger laws and more than a dozen states, which would automatically ban abortion in cases. one of those states, right here in louisiana. >> the hearing in kentucky, the attorney general put things very plainly. as of this morning, abortion procedures across the commonwealth are banned, and unless the life of the mother is at risk. >> residents of south dakota, missouri, louisiana, kentucky and arkansas went to bed last night with a fundamental right to control their own bodies an and abortion, and they lost that right this morning. tonight, they go to bed in a different world, because five politicians, let's call them what they, are in robes, decided it was -- because they had the votes to do so. and the same will be true for the millions more who live in other so-called trigger states that will automatically ban abortions in the coming days and weeks, to say nothing but republican legislatures are looking to pass new laws to restrict access.

and make no mistake, this court, particularly the logic of the decision dobbs is coming for more than just reproductive rights, whatever they say to the country. civil rights for gay couples, protections for trans folks, contraceptive rights, voting rights, they're all under threat. and i think it is time, well, actually, past time, we see the trump court for what it is. an acute that to our fundamental rights, including the constitution of american democracy itself. that said, the answer is not hopelessness and despair and nihilism. because it is also the case that throughout that same history, many of the courts most infamous decisions, one that live in infamy, and he scorn for ever more about the people who wrote them, ultimately have been undone by popular movements of opposition. it exists in a democratic

society still. it is an institution outside of direct democratic control, but within a democratic society still. and the court losing its popular legitimacy has posed a true threat to its power in the past. look at the protests on the streets happening in american cities right now across the country. the polling that u.s. public opinion against this decision. the court is about to face one of the largest threats to perceived legitimacy ever in its history. good. rebecca traister isn't as a driver within your magazine. her latest piece is titled the necessity of hope. melissa murray as a professor at new york university on and peels court judge. [inaudible] they both join me now. melissa let me start with you on the decision. i used five justices in the intro, because there were five there to do the most sort of aggressive revocation of the

right. john roberts, and the chief, joined the ruling, which uphold the mississippi law, but not the rest of it. we saw the leak before. it is substantially the same, and yet, still hard to process. what is your reaction to it? >> we definitely got more color around the nature of the court's deliberation on this issue, because we not only got the majority opinion, we also got the separate concurrence as well as they dissent. again, i think we are getting a very clear picture that chief justice john roberts, has kind of lost control of the conservative wing. the court, he is sort of being a logistics, being in the wind. no one is really listening to him. he suggesting that maybe there was a third way, something more minimalist, and you can't get anyone else to join him for that. but really interesting, the really interesting episode that i think we did not have any -- although certainly some people

including myself up that this is on the horizon. justice thomas is is a shot across the bow that makes clear that abortion is not the endgame here. it is really only the beginning. he says in that concurrence sacked, although the court has tried to question we -- and contraception. the court should in time go further to take up these other rights, which like the right to abortion, he says, is not constitutional tax and not deeply rooted in this country's tradition and for that reason, is egregiously erroneous and should be overruled. so, more to come this is not the end. >> yeah, let me just read that portion. for that reason, in future cases, we should we consider all of this courts substance due process presidents. of course it's a line of cases that roe is part of, including griswold, birth control. lawrence which is throwing out a law criminalizing gay sex in texas and obergefell of course

which makes it a constitutional right to marry. rebecca, i want to read from your excellent piece today, which i found, i read it at the right time. you're right despair is poison. dennis people when the most important thing they can do is proceed with more drive and force and openness that they have before. which is why the work that is insisting on hope, evening is that there is reason for hope, even if you feel based on the ample evidence there is not. how are you finding that right now? >> while, i think part of what was trying about today is i think there is a twin responsibility today. and in the first half of it is to really sit with exactly how cruel and punitive and unjust things are, does it with the realization that they're gonna get worse. and clarence thomas's concurrence, be explicitly clear. we've talk on the show before about how the message has often been sent to those of us who have been worried about exactly this outcome, and those of us

who have been upset about the erosion of abortion and access, even as roe has stood, that we were needlessly distressed about this, that roe was never really gonna be overturned. i have gotten similar messages since the leaked draft of this decision, as i and melissa and others have worried about the future of same-sex marriage, of contraceptive access, being told no, no, those are never gonna go away. i heard those messages today, despite clarence thomas's clarity on this. so, the first task was to be really clear that that message that things are okay is unappetizing fantasy that we've been sold to create paralysis in us. this is bad. it's horrible, and it will get worse. the second conjoined responsibility is to not let that further paralyze us. to, in fact, take the awfulness, the badness, the injustice, and remember that it is incumbent

on us to not give into despair or hopelessness, but instead to continue the work. as you said in your intro, chris, we have an apple history in this country of both progress and progress. the fantasy that we're only gonna move in one direction, and the things are gonna be okay, was an absolute denial of the reality of the justices in power, that this country was built around. and it is our job, even living through this, especially living through the regress, to continue the fight, to make things more just in the future, whether or not we love to see victory, it is incumbent on off, therefore, to use hope not as some feel good measure, but as, to regard it as a tactical necessity, and a moral and civic responsibility, to feel the hope, and keep moving, and keep fighting, and keep organizing, and to look for the people who've been doing it throughout, while all the messages were, everything's fine, things gonna be overturned, you are all

overreacting. you're all being hysterical. there has been people doing the work -- we reproductive health care on the ground, through the rodents of roe for many decades. and we should be looking to them now as a model looking to support their work, from their work, and expand it. it is next chapter. >> melissa, in terms of what the court has done here, not what they might do in the future, but guess what they have, done today, and to rebecca's point, they dissent from the three liberals, they described those rights as a genuine one. i'm struck today, the only thing that separates a court from a legislature is some precedent, and some consideration. i mean, if republicans are elected, they say we're gonna and they have the votes. like that's the way legislators works. that's not the way courts are supposed to work. this court is working like that which is why you have it happening today. and just wonder, how tenable

this is? as a public institution to operate in that fashion. >> well, i think the two things are conjoined, chris. you don't get institution that is flagrantly rusting power from the people in the way that this court has, unless you have those who are in power willing to use this court to advance a program of minoritarian rule. you mentioned the effort to appeal the aca, that didn't happen through majoritarian politics. the republicans were unable to do that. so, the first thing they did was to file a lawsuit in the texas district court to do this. so, that's what we're up against. the court has become a political entity, a political football, because it has this authority to affect domestic policy when majoritarian politics could not. >> rebecca traister and melissa murray, really appreciate you both joining us on this really difficult day. thank you both. appreciate.

>> thank you. >> tonight, lawmakers from two states where the or they're turning -- so, on in michigan, i'll talk to the governor who's election this number could all along. in her state good can access abortion. , bluffed similar in tennessee johnson ban abortion, it's the response. later, with senator elizabeth warren which causes national emergency. our coverage of the end of roe continues, next. gency. gency. our coverage of the end of and find the answer that was right under their nose. or... his nose. continues, next. you're pretty particular about keeping a healthy body. what goes on it. usually. and in it. mostly. here to meet those high standards is the walgreens health and wellness brand. over 2000 high quality products.

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well as medical professionals and the state of new york. and york is prepared to represent individuals. new york prepares to train legal professionals, as well as medical professionals, in anticipation of individuals who might be prosecuted in their home state. we are looking at subpoenas. we are looking at all of that. we are ready. we will not, again, bow down to the radical right. we will stand up and protect a woman's right to choose, protect the 14th amendment, and not allow women to be treated like second class citizens. >> that was next attorney general, letitia james, moments ago down that protest in new york. protests across the country ramping up, to support people from states where abortion rights are under threat. just over ten hours ago, the supreme court ended federal protections for abortion rights and united states. and since then, at least six states have already triggered laws that ban or restrict

abortions. at least 15 other states have similar laws that would ban abortion access in the books. in michigan, state law from 1931 bans abortion in all cases, except for the mother's life is at risk. there is no exception for rape or incest. earlier this year, a state court temporarily blocked the law, but with roe overturned, michigan democratic governor gretchen whitmer is now one of the last lines of defense for reproductive choice in her state. and she is up for reelection this fall. governor whitmer, it's good to have you on tonight. thanks for joining. >> thank you, i'm glad to be with. >> first, let's talk about the status of legal abortion, reproductive care in your state. it is legal in michigan right now that 1931 law has been successfully in joint. am i right? >> that's right. it is being on -- it's on appeal, so it's a precarious moment. we could revert 91 years, if you lose that injunction. we also filed a lawsuit in our

state's supreme court to ask our court to declare that, you know, the michigan constitution. women have a due process and equal protection, right to privacy, and bodily autonomy. i am hoping they will take action quickly with the event of today's decision being announced. >> so we have this sort of -- that's being litigated right now. you have a state where, i just wanna say the polling, michigan, obviously, is a very divided state, sort of a quintessential swing state. this is the polling in january, at least, on roe v. wade. support leaving in place, 67%. support overturning, 19%. don't know, 13%. what does that mean? how does it matter? how does it shape with this discussion, debate, and the politics and law's gonna be in your state now up until the election? >> perhaps, the vast majority of people support women being able to make their own health care decisions. and the thought that my daughters now will have fewer

rights than i've had my whole life is just horrifying. it will have ramifications well beyond the simple nature of health care for women. and i was raised by a republican. i served with republicans when i was in the legislature. but in today's michigan republican party, a single leader who will stand up and fight for women's reproductive freedom, every candidate running for governor on the other side of the aisle. once this 1931 law to be the law of michigan, making it a felony, no exceptions for rape or incest. and in our legislature is trying to take an additional step, and this legislation yesterday, to punish nurses and put them away for ten years, if they are caught giving reproductive care. so, this is a really scary moment, and that's why fighting to put decked reproductive rights from michigan woman. >> let me quote from that law that was introduced from michigan republican state legislatures on wednesday. and individual purposely performed are tense to perform an abortion, except to save the

life for pregnant women in a medical emergency, is guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment for not more than ten years, a fine not more than $100,000. this, i mean, correct me if i am wrong, but my sense, in a state like yours, should republicans take both state houses and the governor's mansion, it would be the first thing they do, right? am i wrong? it seems like that would be the number one priority if they were to take control in your state? >> you're absolutely right. we've got very gerrymandered life, they don't reflect the will of the people. 70% support this, and you know, the only thing that is keeping us from evolving into, you know, a state where women don't have any reproductive rights, where we this rate voting rights, something that's keeping either of those things happening if you're in michigan is -- but, this election is gonna be crucial for my state, and for

health care of women and for voter rights as well. >> governor gretchen whitmer of michigan, many thanks for joining us on a very, very busy day. appreciate it. >> thank you, chris. >> all right, let's turn to another state in a different situation. the state of tennessee that has a trigger law that doesn't go into effect for 30 days. but today, the attorney general filed an emergency motion to try and get a ban in place immediately. what that means, after this. immediately. immediately. what it syncs with your favorite vc apps so you'll never miss a meeting. and neither will she. meta portal, make working from home work for you.

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eastern time, federal protection of abortion rights and in this country. and within minutes of the supreme court ruling, missouri, one of the 13 states with a trigger law, banned all abortions in the state. cal perry's life in st. louis, missouri, where crowds are gathering in protest. cal? >> hey, chris. i'm outside the planned parenthood in st. louis, which was the only place where women in this state could get an abortion. and as you said earlier, it only took about 15 minutes, attorney general signing a proclamation. there was almost a race amongst republicans to make that proclamation, to make abortion legal. now, representatives here want the people of missouri, woman of missouri to know you can still go to illinois, the governor of alone has made it a priority to protect that right, he says. and we're gonna be keeping our eyes, chris, on a vote that will happen in august in kansas, because in kansas, on the thousands of abortions that are held there each year, about half are women from this state. it gives you an idea of the complexity of this issue. >> all right, cal perry, live

in st. louis for us outside that planned parenthood clinic in a state where they can no longer function legally. thank you, cal. in tennessee, just hours after the supreme court decision, the republican attorney general of that stage, herbert slatery, the third, filed an emergency motion to immediately ban abortions after six weeks before most people know their pregnant. that is in addition to the struggle law that goes into effect in tennessee in 30 days. it would make it a felony to provide abortion treatments with no pant exceptions for rape or incest. state senator with london lamar a democrat from tennessee. she's been on the fight -- she joins me now. representative, thank you for making time tonight. first, the status right now is the clock ticks for 30 days. the attorney general is just trying to make that happen faster. is that where things are? >> absolutely. even though we have a trigger law in place, michigan gets 30 days. what he's trying to do is within those 30 days, women who are beyond the six-week timeline by monday, he wants to

outlaw their ability to have abortion within a 30-day timeline. you know, this whole decision is just appalling. as a woman who has almost lost her life, doing childbirth, not lost a child, i am appalled that i no longer have the choice to decide if i want to subject myself to the psychological and physical trauma of childbirth. so alongside all the women across the state of tennessee. tennessee's night in the nation for infant mortality in this country. we don't do a good job taking care of the children who already have here. so the fact that tennessee wants to paint itself as a state that has the most restrictive abortion laws in this country's, jimmy, it's a hypocrisy. we are not doing the job of taking care of the children we have, and more women in the state will be dying, and more babies will be dying because we have not done what we already can do now, save the children that we already have. in this six-week ban, it's gonna further exasperate that issue. >> let me ask you this.

obviously, we are talking about this decision, very unpopular across the country. i did polling in michigan. i suspect it's different in your state, in tennessee, a more conservative state. look, this is now allowing state democracy to work. the voters of tennessee, they don't favor abortion rights. the majority don't. and now, there will will be down to the state level, and that is just the way the democracy works. >> i disagree. i think that many of the folks who will support this issue haven't been engaged, and have felt hopeless in the political process. but what i hope this decision does is excite the base that we must focus more on this august and november election, where we are determined the next state elect action officials in tennessee. if you truly believe that women have the right, to abortion access, and decide how we want to start their family, and make that decision, then we must get out to vote, and put focus back into our state legislators, who now have the power to give

women this right. again, this is -- i don't think this is a positive opinion of all tennesseeans. but it is the opinions of those who have decided to engage in a political process. but what i hope women across the state do is stand up, rise up, go to the polls, and take those who are trying to take our rights away at of office this year. >> senator, let me ask you this. in many state houses, particularly ones that are dominated by republicans like the tennessee state house, every legislation session, there are new laws piled atop on whatever the kind of got, right? so we are seeing outline, you know, trans kids in sports, right? it strikes me that this won't be the end of abortion legislation coming up in your state, but every session there will now be attempts to criminalize the importation of abortion drugs, or other things. do you suspect that there will be more on this to come in your state legislator, or some of that serves in that body? >> absolutely, one of them

telling individuals as this is the start of everybody's right on the line. racial rights, access to health care, the ability to stop guns from entering the hands of people who don't belong. everybody's lives are on the line with this decision. it's just that women are the start of this. what we have to do is challenge this idea of being pro-life. if you want to be a pro-life state, that tennessee says it is, then we need to make sure we are expanding health care access. we need to make sure we are allowing families to determine how they want to live, and what health care decisions they want to have. we want to be a pro life state, then let's stop putting guns in the hands of individuals who are shooting people and innocent children. we have to do a better job protecting the families we have here in tennessee, and stop the baton station that is coming down the line, that will further stop other humans in this state from being able to make decisions about how they want to live their lives. no longer will we have to be able to rely on the supreme court and the federal government for getting basic

human rights to all people. it is now in the hands of individuals in this state, who no longer, who want to make this state back to what it was in the early 1900s. or in 2022, we need to work, make sure that families have everything they need. our education systems are fully funded. and families have health care access. until we get there, we need to leave women's rights, and we unfortunately, i'm expecting this upcoming session,, whether it's gonna be tons of legislation, i'm gonna -- but i'm encouraging everyone watching right now to please engage and more in january, when you go to the poll, in november, because we have a chance to stop this. and reverse this, if we act now. >> that is the state senator, representative, my apologies, state senator london lamar, thank you very much. >> if there is one person in the senate joining her from tonight, it is elizabeth warren.

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right of access to reproductive care across the country. one senator pushing for, that senator elizabeth warren, democrat of massachusetts, joins me now. first, senator, i know you've been very outspoken today and that protest -- i want to just get what you are thinking and feeling right now. ten hours after this decision was handed down. >> so, look -- i am furious. i am furious because an extremist minority, six justices of the united states supreme court think they have the power, and therefore the right, to impose their personal moral and religious views on the rest of unwilling america. that is wrong and that is why i am in this fight and that is why millions of people across this country are going to be in this fight. the supreme court does not have the final word here. we will put a stop to this. >> what does that mean? why have they not. i think a lot of people feel that they have, at least in the short term. >> sure they have, for the

short term. and that means we have to respond in the short term. that means that right now, you've been talking to people who are doing it, all across this country. we need to be helping women who are pregnant, right now. women who get pregnant next week or next month and need help because they live in one of the states that is banning abortion. and we should be doing it. volunteering time and voluntary money. we also are calling on president of the united states to use all of the administrative tools that are available, right now. medication abortions are more than half of all abortions in the country, not clinical procedure. but there are a lot of restrictions on access to that medication that are not medically necessary. >> oh. >> i would like to see the president loosen those up. there are other places the president could act, to dampen the ability of those companies to track women who travel out of state to an abortion clinic. to provide funds for people who

are traveling, and to look into the use of federal lands, to be able to create opportunities for people who need to access to abortion to get it. so, that's the thing we need to do in the arrow term. the president could get that up and running in a number of weeks. the third thing we need to do is focus on the election coming in november. and we need to be laser focused. remember how we got here. we got here, not because the republican said, you know, let's debate abortion and let's go with majority rule. we got here because a concentrated, small group intensely focused on this issue. >> yep. >> and they voted on the ten voted on it and voted on it. now, this time, for the first time in november 2022, roe v. wade is going to be on the ballot for everyone, democrats, republicans, independents. and this is our chance to be heard at the ballot box.

right now, we need to be asking every elected official, up and down the ballot, where do you stand on roe v. wade? and if you are not willing to speak out, then you are not somebody i would want to vote for. we also need to ask everyone who is running for the united states senate -- are you willing to get rid of the filibuster? so, that when we get another senator who is willing to make roe v. wade the law of the land, we can actually get it done. so, we have got a lot of plans here, a lot of work to do. nobody is giving up. we take this anger, we take it and channel the energy of it, into protecting the people across this country who need us. you know, chris -- >> that point -- go ahead. >> yes, you know who is going to be hurt the hardest in this? i've lived in a world where abortion was illegal. now, people still got abortions. well to do women who could

travel to another state, who could go to another country. they still had access. other women still try. they ended up scarred for life. they ended up -- some -- taking their own lives, rather than facing a pregnancy that they could not bear. today, the consequences of this decision will fall hardest on poor women, it will fall hardest on women of color who already face higher maternal mortality rates. it will fall hardest on mamas who already are working three jobs to support the children they have. it will fall hardest on 14 year olds who are raped by their uncles or their coaches. that's who's going to pay the real price today. and that's why we have to decide as americans, are we going to just say, well, now, i despair, now it's over. or are we going to say, the supreme court doesn't have the last word, in a democracy, we

get the last word. it's time to get in this fight and it's time to make real change on behalf of everyone in this country. >> senator elizabeth warren of the state of massachusetts on a brutal and long and difficult today. thank you so much for making some time for us tonight, i appreciate it. ahead, the fight for abortion access in america, as a senator just alluded to. i will talk to the center for the reproductive rights about what happens, right after this. the reproductive rights abou the reproductive rights abou what so they shoot it. hmm... back to the miro board. dave says “feed it?” and dave feeds it. just then our hero has a breakthrough. "shoot it, camera, shoot a movie!" and so our humble team saves the day by working together. on miro.

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this hour all across the country, after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade this morning, 64% of americans opposed overturning roe, in a marris poll just last month. that's a two thirds majority you don't see for just about anything in this country. hundreds of people protesting in new york city tonight, gathering in denver, colorado, and on the west coast, seattle, washington, outside the supreme court in washington, d.c.. 19 or three, center and ceo at the center for reproductive rights as made securing abortion rights her life's work. she joins me now. nancy, we've talked many times before and you've litigated on roe and attacks on roe for much of your career, up to and including the supreme court. what is your reaction to the ruling today? >> well, it's been a devastating day. the supreme court did what it has never done in history, which is to take away an

individual personal liberty and did so in a way that makes women and they are autonomy's over their bodies and their ability to decide on their futures second-class and unequal citizens, as the dissent put it. so, it's been a very devastating day. it's been a hard today, as our attorneys at the center for reproductive rights have been on the phone with lines across the nation. we represent clinics, including the jackson women's health organization, in this case, in the supreme court. and they are having to make decisions about what to do next. so, it's a very wrenching time. and that first and foremost and in front is what senator warren just talked about, which is the impact it's going to have on people. today's decision is going to change peoples lives. and there are going to be women who are simply not going to be able to get access to the abortion care that they would like to, and are going to be

forced to carry pregnancies to term. and other people are going to be cod into this. people who are having miscarriages. it's just an astonishing decision in which we have been thrown back more than 50 years. >> your organization serves as legal counsel for many abortion providers, particularly providers in states like mississippi or missouri, places where the governing parting party there, the republican party, is extremely hostile and -- many of the states have now triggered was in effect. how should -- be -- ensuring access to care for those populations, women and other pregnant folks in those states, now living under this new regime, within the day. what can be, then starting today, to get them access to care? >> yeah, so, as you pointed, out 13 states have trigger bands. some report to go into effect right away, like in the state of louisiana. and some might take a week or

two weeks or three weeks, depending on the laws. but there is much that people can do -- number one, taking to the streets, where you are showing on your screen, it's a very important thing to do. because the vast majority of people who want access to, safe legal abortion need to be made visible. secondly, they can support abortion funds, because abortion funds are helping to raise money, they have for years. they've been doing this work for years, to help people to be able to pay for their abortion care. and now, happy to travel maybe hundreds or maybe thousands of miles from their communities, to get access to care -- they can make sure that their state legislatures, that in states like new york, is going to become a state that is going to become very protective, just passed a slew of laws protecting the ability for people to come to the state of new york and for providers to provide here. and also make sure that their members of congress in the biden administration know how important it is to them.

so that the administration, as the president said today, we'll be taking steps to ensure, through the extended executive powers, access to abortion care. >> senator warren just pointed out that half of all abortions in the united states are medical abortions, not surgical, meaning they are administered with drugs. those drugs have been approved by the fda. today, the attorney general reiterated the fact that, essentially, the supremacy clause, it means those drugs can be taken anywhere in the u.s.. the fda has approved them. it can't be denied. it strikes me that that is going to be one of the next big fights. obviously, it's easier to move for women for whom this would work. it's easier to move a packet of pills across a line thing to move a person to get abortion care. it strikes me that, the republicans in those states are going to try to crack down on that and that is going to immediately be a front and center, very high stakes fight. >> absolutely. medication abortion is the

choice by about half of the people getting abortions in the united states today. and it is safe and effective for up to ten weeks, according to the fda, the pregnancy. the fda has said it safe to access by telemedicine. so, this is going to be an important way that people can get access to abortion care in those first ten weeks. and you are right, states are going to they [inaudible] have also, some, states passed laws banning telemedicine for medication abortion, which is, again, not what our health and safety regulations by the fda say is a way that you should be able to access that care. so, this will be a battle but it is going to be a very very important -- people should understand, it's very safe method for being able to get abortions. >> yeah. all right nancy northup, thank you so much for making time for us tonight, appreciated. >> thank you. that is all in on this friday night, and on a very, very,

very, very, very dark day, in many ways, i am at least glad to say that my colleague rachel maddow begins her show right now, good evening rachel. >> good evening, chris. it has been, i mean, this week has been pretty amazing, in terms of just the intensity of the news. you and i have just been communicating off line about what's been happening, but today, i mean, fantastic our. there's only so much of the can be said, you know. >> i just had a weird experience where i was reading the intro, where i hurt myself from like a dystopian movie. saying, you know, like you would play in a film real, right? roe is overturned, and if there is something that is still chilling lisa real about it. >> i remember in 2016 after those a shocking result of the 2016 election, people projecting into a dystopian future, with what would headlines look like, given that the election went that way. and this is one of them, and it didn't happen while president trump was in office, but it happened because he was in