tv American Voices With Alicia Menendez MSNBC June 25, 2022 4:00pm-5:00pm PDT
we begin this hour with the supreme court decision to overturn roe v. wade, already having far reaching consequences. across the country, thousands of demonstrators are taking to the streets and dozens of cities today. their anger clear, palpable, the impact the friday's ruling already being felt. 13 states have trigger laws to immediately banned abortions should the supreme court and the law. now, patients in wisconsin, utah, missouri, south dakota, louisiana, kentucky, oklahoma and arkansas can no longer access and abortion at any point in the pregnancy. texas, tennessee, idaho have similar laws that are set to go effect in 30 days. up to 26 states can soon have total abortion bans, increasing the burden on states like new york to provide americans from
across the nation the health care that they need. the states attorney general adjust that this morning. >> we are building an infrastructure to deal with the influx of individuals who are seeking safe and legal abortions in a state of new york. we have already seen an increase, and we anticipate that we will see more individuals coming from ohio, pennsylvania and other states. this fund will assist individuals with transportation, with childcare and with housing. because here in new york, we respect the woman's right to choose. it is unfortunate that immediately upon the fertilization in some states, that a government is not allowed to respect the rights of women. >> the governor of massachusetts, a republican, signed an order protecting health care workers in his state who provide abortions with out of state residents. look, let's not look say at the real impact of the opinion of five justicethat is hav millions of americans. there are already four stories
out of san antonio, where the texas tribune reported shortly after frightening's ruling that a nurse had this conversation with our patient. quote, i just said that you have to get dress and come back out to the lobby. i told her that the doctor will explain more, but we cannot even give you a consultation today. patient seeking care denied that care by conservatives on the supreme court. let's bring in our correspondents following the story, cal perry is in st. louis, missouri, where a complete abortion ban is now in effect. stephanie stanton is in austin, texas, another state set to ban the procedure. stephanie, tell me what is going on behind you. >> alicia, you can see we have an active march here in progress and downtown austin. i am down here on congress avenue on seventh street. this group of about several hundred at this point, they are marching their way from the capital here in austin.
they are turning now here on seventh street. they're going to make a move and make their way back to the capital, all of them wanting to make their voices heard. i talked to several people in the crowd here, obviously, this crowd is pro-choice. they have expressed extreme disappointment, heartache to this decision that was handed down yesterday. many of them also say that they know marching here will not change the law, but they want to come out here and be amongst each other and give themselves a sense of comfort. we will continue marching here. texas is about one of a dozen trigger states that as soon as the supreme court issues its final judgment, this will trigger within 30 days, almost a full ban on abortion here. a lot of emotion here, alicia, i will pass it back to you so that we do not fall down here. that has been happening in austin, texas. >> appreciate that report.
cow, you are in a state that already had a trigger law that wouldn't defect to completely ban abortions, with the exception of medical emergencies. talk to me about the fall of the law, what does it look like on the ground? >> the polling is that he portions are no longer taking place in the state. i'm outside planned parenthood in st. louis, which is the only place that women could get an abortion until that ruling yesterday morning. the attorney general of the state signing a proclamation that try -- to actually passed here in 2019. this is a conservative state. i mean that politically. the state legislator's republican, the attorney general's republican, as is the governor. there is almost a race to see who can get the proclamation out first and make missouri, at least in the eyes of the attorney general, the first state to officially make abortion illegal. 5 to 10 years if you are a medical practitioner who carries out that procedure, that is what you can face in jail. planned parenthood, which has been offering the procedure for 50 years, had to shut down and unify the health of the state
court that they are no offering it procedurally. when you talk to planned parenthood, they will tell you that missouri, states like missouri and texas are already a hostile environments when it comes to access for women to reproductive health. reproductive health, they tell us, of course, is just women's health care. in this state, it has always been an issue. you have women now who are trying to make their way to illinois. you heard what is happening in the state of new york, the same thing will happen in the state of illinois for women that live in missouri and texas. we will keep an eye for example on kansas, which will have a vote in august. i mention kansas because the thousands of abortions that take place there each year, more than half the women served our from missouri. it is a regional concern. planned parenthood will keep their eyes on this in the coming weeks and months. >> i am so glad he underlined the, cow. that is what we keep hearing about all the states, yes, they will be able to continue to offer the procedure, but the stress that is on their systems
to provide care at the right necessary. cal perry, as always, thank you so much for being with us. abortion procedures have also stopped in wisconsin. unlike other states with new, wisconsin's abortion ban dates back to 1849. it is one of the states where old laws, 1849, are coming back into place. with me now, the president of planned parenthood advocates in wisconsin, tanya -- you are down the ground, tell me what it looks like interstate. >> this is absolutely devastating for the people of wisconsin. when the ruling came down, we had patients in our waiting room. patients who had made a decision to have an abortion for their health, for their life, for their family, it was a decision that they made for their future, and the decision came down, and we had to go out in the waiting room and say, i
am so sorry, thi decision that you made, you will not be able to access the south here today. we had to tell them that because politicians made that decision for them instead. our republican legislation failed on so many occasions to repeal that 173 year old law, including a special session recently, where they gaveled in and gaveled out and 12 seconds, after governor called for that special session. >> when you tell patients we can't serve you, you have to go home, what was their response? >> it was dramatic. it was absolutely traumatic. our team worked really quickly to set them up with appointments in other states, where they can access safe, legal abortions. a decision to have abortion is respected. the team did that. we had about 70 patients that we had to reschedule. there are scheduled for friday
and saturday. had our legislator repealed that law, all those patients could have been seen, and we could be providing care again on monday. >> we know there is a lawsuit against utah, can you talk about similar challenges in the works in wisconsin. >> we are looking at all our legal options. we had to look at what is going to give us access for the long term in the state of wisconsin. we look at making decisions right now. if you look at our judicial system, the folks making decisions, particularly the supreme court, are not friendly to reproductive rights. here's the thing, there are people that were in the waiting room today, where a matter of hours is what's separated them from being able to access the care that they need, and being denied the candidate. people do not know that they are pregnant yet. there are people for whom this is all still the foreground of their lives. what happens to those people now? four advocates in wisconsin,
for providers in wisconsin, of what help can you be? where do you tell them to go? >> all of our health centers are open across the state. we had 22 health centers across the state, and we had three health centers at pride abortion. we are asking people to please still contact the health attorney in wisconsin, because we can provide some of the care that is not abortion. we have hired navigators to help connect people to other states, where abortion is still safe and we go. we could be there for them again provide the care that might need, or any other services we might provide. >> in response to the supreme court decision, new yorker writer wrote, with all this laid out, ugly and incontrovertible, the task for those who are stunned by the boldness of the horror, paralyzed by the bleakness of the view, is to figure out how to move forward anyway. i am sure because you are deep
in this work, you know that rebecca has done some of the best reporting and thought work there is out there about the. i think the idea that she tells us to cling to hope means more coming from her then it might mean from someone else. my question still is how do you do the? howdy move forward? >> so, we have to move forward. the people of wisconsin absolutely need this health care. we look at all the options. we look at the legal options, and in the stories that preceded this, the hundreds and thousands of people that are mobilizing across the country, that is a critical moment them. in wisconsin, the vast majority of wisconsonites support access to safe and legal abortions. our legislator is acting in contradiction to the people of wisconsin want. overtime, they contemplated for 12 seconds. well, it takes 12 seconds to vote. 12 seconds at a time, 12
seconds at a time, we have to move forward, and we will take it back. >> tanya atkinson, president a planned parenthood advocates of wisconsin, thank you so much for taking the time to be with us. still to come, you will hear from two people who know the real world impact the supreme court ruling will have. they work day out today helping find safe care for those that need it. they will join us. from the elimination of rights to an attack on our democracy, new revelations this week at the january six hearings. what a surprise documentary could tell us about what was happening inside the white house. but first to richard louis who standing by with a look at the other stories we are watching this hour on msnbc. richard? >> alicia, good evening to you. shooting in norwich -- left two people dead and 21 others injured. it was during an annual pride festival there. officials are calling it an islamic terrorist act. the suspect was arrested after
a shooting in three different occasions. president biden arriving in germany for a busy five-day trip to europe. it starts with a three-day summit, then to spain to meet with nato leaders after that. biden is expected to discuss economic issues while pushing for pressure on russia for its war on ukraine. and pfizer and biotech announcing their omicron adopted covid-19 vaccines. in test, they produce a higher immune response against the variant. they will meet with the fda advisory committee on tuesday as they push for face the release of the shots. more american voices right after this break. after this break it's kinda like having liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. woah! look out! [submarine rising out of water] [minions making noise] minions are bitin' today. (sung) liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.
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he actually believed the big lie. to join my colleague joy reid to share an exclusive clip from the documentary. >> you can't have elections that are meaningless. you can't have elections that, if somebody controls the state of georgia, because we have a governor that the poor guy doesn't know what the hell is happening, and he's lots control of the state. it's run by stacey abrams. and it's very sad to see it. and the secretary of state, this guy's like a hardheaded rock. he can't move. all i want to do is signature verification. signature verification and it's a total win. they don't want to do it and they are republicans. now, what's the problem? they're stupid. okay, they are stupid people. >> did you get the sense in speaking with donald trump that there was anything, any limit to what he would do in order to remain president? including, was he willing to see violence done in order to remain president?
>> i'm not sure whether or not he's intended there to be violence, but he certainly said things which were quite extraordinary for a president of the united states to say. i mean, that clip just now illustrates a sort of moment which is, i mean, just astonishing. there i am sitting in the white house, on a british filmmaker, i don't really have any skin in the game particularly. and he sort of looking me in the eye he says, the diplomatic reception room, and he's the sitting president of the united states and he's telling me that the election officials in georgia are stupid people. so, it was certainly, the realms of possibility as to what could happen were certainly evident, for sure. with me now, former u.s. attorney, harry lippman. he is a legal affairs columnist for the l.a. times and host of the talking feds podcast. and tom nichols, contributor, writer for the atlantic. it is good to see you both. harry, help me make sense of what we just watch. what could be the legal implications of that? >> well, you've got to understand that this is a film
that was made to lionize trump. trump gave him access, so there is going to be a lot of little things that they are pointing to. but trump is a notoriously uncensored figure. once he starts talking, he doesn't stop. it almost doesn't matter who the audience is or a member his conversations with phil rucker and carroll -- once you wind him up, there is no end to what he will say. so, it's not specifically done as a kind of got to film. he is really just sort of rolling the camera and letting him roll, but we've got trump, we've got trump's inner circle, we've got pence, and it starts from october and before the election, and goes on. so, they are just figures to be a lot of real little treasures coming out. and it's one reason the committee has decided to stop the music, take a few weeks break, and see what holder and others have to say. and as you mentioned, he testified a couple days ago behind closed doors. his impressions matter, but
it's the footage, especially of trump uncensored, talking for hours. >> tom, one of the things that i took away from that tape was the former president over and over again referring to these election officials as stupid. and that is not just a throwaway, especially when you have secretary of state, brad raffensperger, saying trump followers threatened his family, broke into his daughter in law's house. how dangerous is the harassment of election officials for our democracy? because this is not just something that happened, this is an ongoing continuing threat. >> it's extremely dangerous and it's intentional. this is part of what's trump and his followers intend to do, which is to make it so that ordinary american citizens who, for years, have been part of a great american tradition of administering free and fair,
and impartial, elections are scared out of the public's face. so that they will simply hide in their homes, so that they won't try to be poll workers or count votes. i mean, this is really an attack on a really fundamental principle, a fundamental tradition of american democracy of citizen involvement. people like trump are sending a message that says, if you don't count votes the way i want them counted, i will put you and your family in the crosshairs of really dangerous people. i mean, watching that tape, i guess the other thing that i wonder is, how many times do we have to see direct examples of trump proving what an unstable, emotionally unstable, delusional sociopath he really is? and that he really intended that people would be terrified in this next election to do
something as simple as volunteering their community and count votes. >> i mean, harry, speaking of something as simple of, that you have former election worker, ru specifically for abusing the >> there is no where i feel safe, nowhere. do you know how it feels to have the president of the united states target you? the president of the united states is supposed to represent every american. not to target one. but he targeted me, lady ruby, a small business owner, a mother, a proud american citizen, who stands up to help fulton county run an election in the middle of the pandemic. >> i mean harry, there it is laid bare, right? i mean, the president of the united states versus lady ruby.
if that is not intended to have a chilling effect, not just on that election, but on elections to come, then i don't know what it is intended to do. talk to us about the legal remedies that she has in this situation. >> very few. you know, maybe she can sue him. good luck. it's so heart wrenching. today, we've had these set pieces in washington and all the players have been basically political officials. but now we are talking about normal people and the trump operation in this last hearing seemed very much like a national crime syndicate, complete with enforcers and footsoldiers who would really make life miserable for anyone who dared to cross the big boss. so, as an emblem of what tom is talking about, the debasement and nasty violence of public discourse and doing your job that trump has wrought, it's
really sobering. does she have legal remedies? look, you know, there are things she can do and there are things that her employer could do, but basically this has become the cost of our participation in the political system in the age of trump. it's nauseating. >> it's nauseating, it's horrifying, it's a price to pay. tom, sort of the thing i want to loop back on, to your point, about the former presidents fitness for office. one of the big stories that i thought on for this week was you had arizona lawmakers, receive hours, refusing to break his oath, declared election stolen. but he then tells the ap that he would still vote for trump. that, i think, is one of the key conundrums here, right? is that even with people saying yeah, he did this horrible, reprehensible thing, they still say they would line up behind him. how do you break that? >> the republicans have told themselves a story and have
fourth but themselves it rationalization that as awful as trump's, the important thing is that republicans control the legislative and executive branches, and the supreme court. so that they can hold off this, you know, deluge of barbarians at the gates that they think of as the democratic party. and frankly, think of as anybody who's not a conservative republican like them. and so, they tell themselves this story that yes, trump is terrible, but i will be the guardrail. i will always, you know, follow the constitution, even if i vote for someone who's manifestly unstable and unfit for office because the alternative is that those other people will control the american government, and that's the worst possible thing that could happen. and of course, that's how you end up in these horrendous situations. you convince yourself that you would rather have, again, there's no other word for, him
a sociopath like donald trump running the government rather than fellow citizens with whom you happen to disagree about important issues. and i think that is really the dangerous narrative that a lot of these people, including mr. bowers, have sold themselves. it's tragic and it's poisonous to our republic. >> you have done such a good job of laying out the danger itself. harry and tom, thank you both so much for being with us. next, the real life impact of a supreme court overturning roe. you will hear from two people who worked to find safe care for all. and later, a milestone for gun safety. it victory for the white house. can it be a roadmap for compromise for deep red states to? to? a smart video calling device that makes working from home work. a 12-megapixel lens makes sure your presentation is crystal clear. and smart camera auto pans and zooms to keep you perfectly in frame. oh, and it syncs with your calendar. plus, with zoom, microsoft teams, and webex,
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reproductive rights. the nation you live in today, the divided states of america, when it comes to abortion access. friday's ruling pulls the country back to an error where abortions were not only hard to obtain but incredibly dangerous. in the weeks and months to come, up to 26 states are certain or likely to ban abortion access. people in the south and other parts of the country will have to travel hundreds of miles to seek reproductive care. that radical to decision by the conservative super majority out of step with the views of most americans. last month, a nbc poll found that 63 americans did not want to court to over turn roe, and less than a third of americans supported the move. in the meantime, the reality a post roe america is starting to take shape. the handle a trigger law states already starting. joining me to discuss the real world consequences, alexis -- statewide abortion fund and
jess marsh banks, in indiana. it is good to see both. jess, we spoke last month, we spoke one the decision was leak. that leak did not make friday any easier, how are you feeling? how are the people that you are helping? what are they saying about the decision? >> you are right that we saw this coming, as we spoke about last month. all of us in the movement have seen it coming not just since last month but for years. we have been preparing for this and yet, hearing the news come out on friday was still a gut punch, it was shocking and disheartening, but i spent about an hour just feeling my feelings. then i realized, i got people texting and calling us on our abortion fund line, who are likely scared, freaked out and confused, maybe unaware about
what happened, and they need our help. we got back to work. that is what we are doing. we are doing the work. we are continuing to do the work and deepening our relationships with other groups that are also doing the work. >> i do want to come back and ask you what the work looks like. lexus, talk about what the last 24 hours have been for you and your organization. >> not the best. in ohio, specifically, we had expected another month to provide care and somewhat out of nowhere, governor dewine lifted an injunction, essentially, enacting a six-week fetal heartbeat ban effective immediately. i woke up to about 50 calls from people just despair, confusion, not sure what was happening, not knowing when or if they will get care. what this law even us.
it's heartbreaking. as someone that has had an abortion, who grew up in poverty, i understand the implications of this. i understand what this feeling is like to not know what will happen to you, do not have power over your body. it has not been easy. >> not easy at all, and as you said, the work continues, and the work begins a new. advocates, we talked about this, the three of us who have been preparing for a long time for the moment, how does an organization like yours plan to help people that may live in a state with a strict abortion laws? >> what we are doing right now is helping every single person that we can help. in indiana, it is still legal here. nothing has changed. we are hopeful that nothing will change, but there is a special session on july six, so
people can be taken action and calling diligence letters now to make their voices heard. but for now, there are people with appointments for abortions today, tomorrow, on july 4th, on july 5th, wondering, will i be able to get the care that i need? will i be forced to look at options out of state, if i can even make that happen? my role is just the immediacy of day today, helping people solve the problem, while it is still legal in indiana. that means we are getting calls from people in ohio and in kentucky. they would usually come to any enough for abortion care, but are now figuring out that i need to go to indiana and how can i make that happen? we are talking to a lot of people in all three states and just helping them not only navigate their options but also sitting with them, feeling what
they're feeling, acknowledging that, yeah, this is wrong, this is an attack on your and our bodily autonomy. it is not right. it is part of a coordinated attack and strategy by anti abortion extremists. we can't let that happen. >> it is wild to talk to the two of you at the same time and have you say allowed. you have people from the state that one of you is working in now spilling into the other. you may not be providers, but this is an example of the many ways that systems will be intact. vice president kamala harris spoke about the court ruling on friday. take a listen. >> this is a health care crisis because understand that millions of women in america will go to bed tonight without
access to the health care and reproductive care that they had this morning. without access to the same health care or reproductive health care that their mothers and grandmothers had for 50 years. >> lexus, your final thoughts? >> there could always be doing more at the end of the day. the biden administration let this happen and they continue to let down low income, poor, black, indigenous other people of color, transparent airy, non-binary people. it is time to take the power in our own hands as citizens and people because the government is not doing it. they sat here and watched the basis of bodily autonomy be ripped away from us. support black reproductive
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we got here, it has been just over one month since a gunman killed 19 children and two teachers at a school in uvalde, texas. joining me now to discuss, texas state senator, roland gutierrez. senator gutierrez, your reaction of the new legislation out of congress. >> alicia, thank you. we are happy about it. certainly, as i said before, we are in the desert here. we are glad to see anything happen, but we have a lot of work to do. it remains to be seen whether greg abbott will even avail himself of the state of texas of red flag incentives the background checks and uvalde would not have made a difference. we got to be able to find meaningful solutions. in texas, we need to do a floated after parkland, raise the limits by an ar-15 to 21. the congressman took 22 days to do that in the state legislator. we have no indication that will
happen here. >> didn't continue to look to florida and the example of the potential path forward. this week, you sued the texas department of public safety for not reducing records about the mass shooting in uvalde, how can these records give the citizens of uvalde the much needed answers that they deserve? >> more than anything, alicia, the teachers, parents, victims, everyone wants the information. i have not seen a parent does not want to know why there was a delayed response. i just visited a parent who is in the hospital. her parents said i can use her name. maya is still in the hospital. on her 20 surgery, she is a miracle baby. they said she might not be with us today, but there were three children that blood out, we know if teacher blood out. this is the travesty in this delay. we need to find answers not to lay blame but to make sure that never happens again. >> to that point, the more we
learn about the police response in uvalde, the worse it appears. this week, uvalde school police chief, pete arredondo, was placed on leave. what does accountability look like here? >> listen, what they do to mr. arradondo at the city and school district level, that is up to them. they are not accountable to me. state troopers are. there was not one state uber onsite. within 60 minutes, the first trooper arrives and left. there were 12 troops in that power. we got that list last tuesday in a hearing. i filed my lawsuit because there is a lot of contradictory information and evidence that's the remains to be on earth. we need to get that information. we know that none of the radios worked inside the school. we need to fix that going forward. without this information, we will never be able to solve the problems going forward and hopefully not be able to
prevent this from another school down the road. >> senator, the sister of one of the students killed and uvalde beg texas lawmakers for tougher gun laws this week, take a listen. >> i should not have to be here or now. i should be at home watching a movie with my sister. but i am not, and i am here begging for you guys to do something. to change something because the people that were supposed to keep are safe at school didn't. they failed. >> senator, she is right, she should not have to be there. she should be home with her sister. has the appetite for gun safety reform at the state level shifted at all over the last month? >> i am afraid not. she has been a great advocate. her father and mother have been wonderful advocates in light of such grief and sorrow in their home. they want to create change.
all of them have told me that they will regret change. jasmine was to do a rally before school begins. there is 54 days left before the school starts. 52 days now. greg abbott needs to do the right thing here. he needs to call us back into a special session, so that we can change this age limit. the most important thing -- getting 23 days, they changed. it we should all be very afraid by the 18-year-old young man that goes into a gun shop and buys this level of ammunition. that's what happens in texas. an 18-year-old kid can do that like he's buying a slurp at a 7:11. >> you have been ringing the alarm on that special session since this all began. texas state senator -- thank you so much for being with us. next, justice thomas hinted the end of road could be just the start of where america goes from here. life could be grim, future of the country. grim, future o the country. the country. body.
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and i can say that the stories we're out there, what happened to women if they needed an abortion. to see us going back to knitting needles and the whole thing, i'm stunned. i don't understand. >> as americans hit the streets protesting supreme court's decision to overturn roe, the message is clear. we won't hold back. but with new lives coming to fruition, life after wrote may end up in an even darker place. -- rights for the new yorker, quote, the future that we now inhabit will not resemble the passed before roe. women sought out illegal abortions and not infrequently found death. the principal danger now lies elsewhere and arguably reaches further. we've entered an era not of unsafe abortion, but of widespread state surveillance
and criminalization. pregnant women, certainly, but also doctors and pharmacists, and clinical staffers, volunteers, friends, family members of anyone comes into meaningful contact with a pregnancy that does not and in a healthy birth. joining me now, two-time peabody award winning journalist, lulu garcia navarro. she's the host of the new podcast, the new york times opinion first person. lou, your first episode of first person podcast was on abortion. very timely. you spoke with a woman who was raised in rural texas, a conservative, religious household. and at 19, found herself pregnant. let's listen to some of that interview. >> i realized instantaneously when i saw the two pink lines up here, you know, telling me that i was pregnant. there was no way to go back to before that moment and that i was going to have to make a choice that was going to be impossible. like, i understood all of this immediately that either i would
have to have a baby that i was not ready to have, or i would have to have an abortion. i believe that would be, you know, just the most wrong thing. >> lulu, talk to me about the decision to launch your podcast with the story about abortion and why you wanted to share this story, in particular. >> yeah, first person is the answer to this question that i often hear from people, which is, why do people believe what they believe? we live in a moment where no one wants to listen to a point of view that they might not agree with and i get it. i mean, the stakes are high. emotions are high. this first episode was about a woman called merit -- and this story of the abortion she did not have. it's a story that looks at what happens when you feel like you don't have a choice because now that roe v. wade has ended, we felt that we had not really explored, as a culture, what it looks like to have a child that
you are not ready for. as you mentioned, she was 19 when she got pregnant and her story is nuanced. it's complicated. it is not easy. and i think these are the stories, especially right now, that we really need to hear. >> i feel as though there is an implicit challenge that you were offering to all of us, which is to take the time out of our week and sit with listening to these stories, some of which will resonate and will confirm the way we already think about things, and then to also listen to the stories, right, that's the work of the people who we do not immediately agree with. why is that important in this current environment? >> yeah, i think it goes to the heart of something that we are addressing, which is, what is opinion journalism for? and our answer is that we want to hear from people whose lives kind of intersect with this urgent political moment in some way that can help you understand what's happening. you are right, we might not
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hi, michael. >> haley sia, travel safe out there, good coverage and reporting. hat on. good evening and welcome to ayman, i am michael steele in for ayman mohyeldin. tonight, we are covering that big three stories affecting you and the country, starting with the future of women's health in a post world world. the other major supreme court ruling this week, overturning a century old gun law. plus trump corruption reaches new levels, what we learned this latest january six hearing. let's get started. the supreme court has overturned roe v. wade, reversing nearly half a century of legal precedent and ending american women's constitutional right to abortion. justice samuel alito pending the majority opinion, joined by four other conservative justices, held that, quote, the constitution