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i am jonathan capehart. exactly seven years ago today, june 26 2015, the supreme court handed down the historic ruling in -- which gave same-sex couples a constitutional right to marry. an amazing leap for equality five decades after the stonewall riots upheld the modern gay rights movement, just a half hour from the i-seven. later this evening, in unprecedented display of acceptance, the white house was emblazoned with rainbow colors of lgbtq pride. but if this is a high-water mark of its nation living up to its ideals, what do we call it happened on friday, when the supreme court's conservative supermajority overturned roe v. wade? as a result, abortion will soon be illegal in as many as 26 states. in louisiana, abortion is illegal after federalization. and kentucky, it is now a felony to perform, or attempt to, perform an abortion.
and in one clinic, abortion serves as -- immediately, stranding woman in rating rooms. what does the -- of roe, have to do with lgbtq rights? everything. in his concurring opinion, justice clarence thomas made it clear that he wants to come after us, next. he wrote, in future cases we should reconsider all of these core substances of due process, including griswold, lawrence and -- those cases legalized contraception, to criminalized intimacy between same-sex adults, and legalized same sex marriage. the foundation on which they all say it was just destroyed by the supreme court. as representative eugene matthew was told, me the rights of the marginalized are bonded together in writing through these decisions, to form a single threat.
if one tears, the entire fabric is on done. joining me, now melissa murray, msnbc legal analyst, professor at nyu school of law. former justice -- and christina greer, professor of political science and for them, author of black ethnics, race, immigration, and the pursuit of the american dream. thank you both very much for being here alive and in person. thank you for going back to the sunday show. >> you're welcome. >> was it being hyperbolic there in my assessment of where we are, christina? >> absolutely not. people have been bringing us from the rooftop for months now. we have been on this show, jonathan, saying that if the supreme court tried to abolish roe, and we just open up the floodgates for so many other important cases. and the framing, which is so frustrating for me is a political scientist, is this argument about pro-lifers his pro-choice. there is no such thing as pro
life. the republican party is not pro-life, this is a pro-choice or antichoice conversation, that we should be having. do woman in this, country asked of the, since have a right to have autonomy over their own bodies. disappointment is just said no, in far too many americans agree with that. and far too many american tools in the sidelines, not flipping attention to what that will mean for their own health care, and also for their daughters and future generations. and so i would implore republicans to think a little bit more about their own daughters, wise, i sat, or as we move forward because we do know that abortion is. health care. >> right. melissa, love your thoughts. >> this is not just about abortion. justice thomas actually did everyone a favor by saying, we have all been actually putting it into writing. make it very clear, he does not believe that the rights and do substance are more than the constitution, for the same reason that roe versus wade was deemed a constitutional apostasy on friday.
those rights are similarly problematic and he wants the court. to take that up. and no one else drawing his opinion, but that does not mean it will not hit its intended target. justice thomas is now running for his colleagues, he is running for the colleagues outside of the court. and he's ready for the audience inside the lower court. whereas acolytes and former -- you are now current judges will husband these ideas into fruition, so when they make their way back to the court in two, three, maybe fewer years, they will find a receptive audience. >> one part of the analysis that i've heard you were just saying was that what justice thomas was doing was telling people, bring these cases, thank you christina! bring these cases. >> absolutely. these are the presidents is for the lower court. we have seen that roe v. wade, 1973, republicans worked almost 50 years to overturn this. so we know that justice thomas is setting, essentially, a
signal to conservative judges, of which donald trump put in several. i don't know the exact number. lots of judges on the lower court. something that obama did not do. part of a mommy's legacy was leaving all these open judgeships in the lower courts that don, trump and his colleagues aggressively filled in exponential numbers. and they will do the bidding of justices like clarence thomas. >> let's look into this. how much this was obama not feeling those charges, and how much of it was republicans sending out to deprive him of those appointments? because let's remember, mitch mcconnell stole a supreme court seat as part of this overall gambit of remaking the judiciary. >> to be fair, it is a bit about. obama administration-controlled congress at least in the first term, there could've been a very aggressive move to fill those judgeships. they moved more slowly. the biden administration really deserves credit, because they have been really diligent about putting up slates of judges, and trying to get them through.
and the judges that they have appointed are much more diverse than what we saw during the trump administration. both in terms of demographic characteristics, as well as professional experience. so that is something. but you are exactly right. this is a campaign of constructionism by the republican party that prevented barack obama from doing some of those consequential judicial appointments, including that sea that became open in february of 2016, months before the election, when justice scalia died. and virus that should've been filled by the former president. >> i want to bring up this tweet that texas senator john cornyn put out yesterday. this was elements five. if you haven't seen this tweet, you've seen it melissa. i'm going to tell you. president barack obama puts the tweet up there that you see, where he writes, today, the supreme reverses the most intense -- somebody can make to the whims of politicians. you can read the rest there. then senator cornyn writes, now
do plessy v. ferguson and brown versus board of education. people responding saying, what would the hell is he saying? again, let's put his cleanup response. which was, thank goodness some scotus presidents are overruled. >> your reaction to what senator cornyn is trying to say there. alyssa, you go. first >> again, i think the tweet functions on two levels. i think it is probably not unclear to anyone, that first date could be viewed as senator cornyn's gassed, nearly a critique of this critique of overruling precedents. it's like, we've overall precedence, you've cleared them. but on a deeper level, there is something foolish about tweeting to the first black president, the sole question about presidents being overruled in plessy versus ferguson. and then of course, there is the idea that, what about policy versus ferguson and brown? maybe we should overrule brown
as well. is a tweet that functions on a lot of levels, and if it is intended to function in a lot of levels, but i think it does. it is pretty clear on reflection why it has to do something else. >> depending on which when you look at, then you can determine what you want slash needs. you can sort of hide behind, everyone is crushing there -- and i just don't know. why are you specifically choose plessy and bronte byrd, as the first potential only black resident of this american democracy? we will see if there's any fallout. >> it just hit me, there was some language in the decision that overturned roe that was deeply disturbing. it is the fact that abortion is not deeply rooted in our history. when i read that in the draft, my blood ran cold. because you know, gay marriage is not deeply rooted in the nation's history.
some could say even full equality for average americans is not deeply rooted. >> i would always say. >> in the constitution. you go, oh. but then you folks like senator cornyn who sends out hologram tweets. why should we be concerned by that, i'm going to call it a crutch, deeply rooted in our american history. which basically makes it impossible for the supreme court to deny any kind of right to anybody? >> when you hide behind that logic, which essentially is saying, just wait. property owning white men and women of a certain class, white woman of a certain sexual orientation, it is deeply rooted in this young nation. we are 400 years old. black women, the passage of the 1965 voting rights, only then got the right to vote. and even, then it took years we will talk to get passage to the vote. when you think with our grand parts in this country, we did not. my mother wasn't segregated schools her entire life. she's a foxy 74 years old.
we know that the past is actually not that long ago. we'll be bridges, who integrated this into public schools, is still in her 60s. so when we think about is deeply worded in this country, which is deeply rooted in this country is once privacy and anti black racism. which is deeply rooted in this country's patriarchy and capitalism, which is excluded in the vast majority of americans. what republicans are telling in the particular population is entrée into this club, which they would never actually be in. >> melissa, last word to you. >> i will just say this, the logic of the opinion can obviously be extended to gay rights. same sex marriage, interracial marriage. which justice thomas left out. contraception, which is, i think, the most immediate threat. but what this is, is that the guarantee of liberty which was in the 14th amendment and codify the 1960 it was perfectly intended to repudiate these instances of slavery, and all the -- of slavery. including the fact that slaves did not have bodily autonomy, over their labor over their own
bodies. sexual coercion. the fact that they had no control over their families, their children could be sold away from them. that was with the 14th amendment was intended to capture. so when justice alito says this is not in the constitution, it is gaslighting. it is in the constitution, it was understood it is understood by the framers of the 14th amendment to being compressed in the general guarantee of autonomy, which proceeds from the grant of liberty. and he knows that. >> yes or no, because we are the time. the likelihood, now with this overturning of roe, the likelihood of a federal ban on abortion. >> yes. absolutely. a certainty if the republicans had control of congress, and they do the presidency. >> all, right we'll have to leave it there. melissa murray will return in the next hour, christina, thank you very much for going back to the sunday show. happy pride. on a programming note, we are capping off pride month tonight with pioneering lgbtq members of the stage and screen. including clyburn cox, harvey
firestone, tony award winning playwright michael are jackson, and more. tune in tonight for a pride of stage and screen, at 10 pm eastern, only on msnbc. next, president biden signs landmark gun legislation, the supreme court this week overturning new york's gun law. we'll discuss the impacts on both moves after the break.
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president biden signed the most sweeping gun legislation from decades into law. but just days earlier, the supreme court struck down a centuries old new york law that -limited concealed guns. the implications for public safety and big cities like new york is enormous. joining me now with jonathan metzl, director for the center of help medicine in society, author the fantastic book dying of whiteness. and -- scores of new york. thank you both for joining with us. doctor metzl, i'll start with you. you read a tweet after the supreme court decision where you tweeted out, the scotus decision is not fully about gun rights. red states already have the. it is about overturning the blue state voters in destabilizing blue cities like new york. explain that. >> there are two things that people really need to know about this horrible decision, but the first is that there have been laws on the books for the last few years, and this is
not just new york, it is los angeles, honolulu, all those places. you can carry concealed weapons in public they say, but you have a special need for it, private investigator, or history being abused by your spouse et cetera. you have to demonstrate that need, and with the ruling basically said is, the city of new york cannot do that. the basically he wants to carry a gun in public will be able to do so. i have written a book, dying of whiteness, which shows the horrific effects of overturning perma-lies. i looked at kansas city and missouri, the minute they did away with the seemingly arcane law in missouri. flooding into the city and the state. officials cannot really do anything about it. it came to the point where, james the mayor of california, said, somebody please help us. we need gun laws. but because there is no way we can do anything about it, it basically limited the ability to stop that, and they cannot
stop the flow of glands in. their own private police. the evidence is very clear, if you overturned the private permanent process, it is horrible for cities like here, with dense populations, like new york. it is diversity because we know this is going to do, and yet the supreme court has not changed. it >> you are from new york city, from the bronx. how concerned are you about the implications of this supreme court decision? >> i have never been more concerned. the supreme court's decision is going to deepen the epidemic of gun violence, which has become the leading cause of death of children and teenagers. for me, gun violence is not an abstraction. i live in the bronx, which is more than 200% rise in the number of shooting victims and shooting incidences. in my own backyard, i've seen three police officers shot, an 11 month old child, shot. the supreme court has made it so that masses of people can
carry firearms in public, in a city as densely populated as new york. which is a situation that we have never seen before. and could have untold implications for public safety. the supreme court has essentially held that cities like new york can no longer protect their residences from gun violence. >> there is a phrase in the supreme court's decision, that just made my blood run cold. and that was, someone should be able to carry a concealed weapon for, quote, ordinary self-defense. how many times have we seen stories about someone feeling that they were threatened, and they shot someone, and that someone was back around? >> i mean, there is a lot of research, including a lot of the site in my book, a talks about how, basically, it ties into the implicit bias. the idea of how we feel threatened, who feel threatened. about there were a couple of
studies interviewed governors and texas, and they said, why do you carry a gun? the gun owners say, you can pull up to a bodega and again when grainger could show up, a carjacker or something. then the fallout question was, has it ever happen to? you well know, the answer was, but it could. so this imagining of the racial other which ties into histories of gun ownership and race in this country, really have horrific effects not just about guns but about race. and there is a whole other part of this ruling which i think is equally, or in fact even, worse which is that justice thomas wrote that to meet the bar for new legislation, and you can control legislation, you have to show that this gun law met the criteria from the late 1700s, or the early 18 hundreds. so in a way, your cat 30,000 people at the time. there were no ar-15s. in a way, what this was doing was overturning -- the issue is going to, be overturning the modern gun control movement as we now.
because there were no red flag laws in the 1700s. there were no domestic violence statues in the 1800s. all of those, really the entire gun control movement, is up for grabs. >> congressman torres, on the bright side, the president signed into law the first gun safety legislation in about three decades. talk about the impact that that will have on gun safety in general, or in your district in particular? >> i want to quickly add to what jonathan said. justice thomas developed a new test that prohibits charges, when deciding second amendment cases, from considering public safety. no doubt in the future can give any consideration to public safety. striking a balance between individual rights to bear arms and public safety. the compromise stops short of the ideal. in a rational world we have universal background checks, bands and high capacity magazines, bans on assault rifles. but it represents a genuine
breakthrough that we have not seen in decades. every mass shooting has a common pattern. the mass shooters tend to be under the age of 21. at the heart of the compromise is enhanced backer trucks background checks for those near the age of 21. so it expands the prohibition on firearms for domestic abusers, to include intimates partners and dating partners. which i believe is a bona fide breakthrough. >> this is actually a hopeful note to end on, and a very concerning if you surrounding gun safety, and that supreme court decision. dr. jonathan, torres, thank you so much for coming back to the sunday show. and coming up, i will speak with new york governor kathy hochul to get her take on the supreme court rulings on guns and abortion. stay with us. with us . thanks, dad.
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abortion and guns puts new york at the center of the action, and national debate, with regard to abortion. stated from the general james around the empire state says it will remain a safe haven for women seeking abortions. with regards to guns, governor kathy hochul says that she is calling the legislature back into session next month, to consider proposals that would allow new york to maintain some of its strict gun laws, in light of the supreme court
invalidation of its 108 year old law on carrying concealed weapons. joining me now is the governor of the empire state, kathy hochul. governor hochul, thank you for coming to the sunday show. >> appreciate the opportunity to have a conversation with you about these issues. as you mentioned, new york is front and center. we always have been. we are right here, first place of the lgbtq place movements. also the right is under attack. he's thanks for the chance to have this conversation. >> how do you officially call the legislature, called a special session? >> we are meeting at noon on thursday. i wasted no. time we are working with legal experts in anticipation of what steps we can take. we have to comply with the supreme court dictate, but i tell you, i'm going right up to the line to make sure that places like right here, where we are about to have millions of people gathering for a pride month to celebrate this movement that started here, i don't want people packing heat. i don't people carrying guns concealed through here, because that will recap it.
i spoke to a church in southeast queens, they don't people walking into charged with a gun. they have to put it meddled attackers now. so there's a lot of fear at. here we want to make sure that sensitive places, and we will identify what those are, will be a safe haven, a safe place, from concealed weapons. we also want to empower local property owners, businesses and restaurants, to be able to have the power to say now, we do not want you coming in. and also increasing our requirements to receive the permit, and additional training as well. in-person training. so we do what we can. this is extremely frustrating. >> you were very angry -- angry, correct me if i mischaracterizing your demeanor. at your press conference after that decision was made. as the governor of this state, explain to the american people why that supreme court ruling is wrong. >> because we work so hard, literally a week before, to werd
in that grave. it is still fresh. the supreme court totally not caring that governors have right to protect their citizens. people of the state do not like where they are, going they can to get out on us at the polls. but they want these gun safety laws. and it is not even legislation. it is 100 years old. we just passed a ban on assault weapons for people under 21, we have red flag laws. we banned all kinds of -- we are doing everything we can hear, and suddenly, despite our best efforts, the supreme court comes along and says, we just don't want you doing that anymore. what's it gives here? and add that abortion? it is beyond the pale. so yes, i am angry. but i take that anger and i harness it and they mobilize it, and i also speak to people in the states saying, this is work. these rights are not going away.
this is a place where we have abortion access, three years before we wait, roe v. wade is now part of our state law. but we are looking to find any other way that we can strengthen, -- our providers. we give them immunity already. legislation to protect providers who could be sued. if somebody comes from out of state, we are protecting them. and also, we have no extradition treaty. so nobody can broaden our state. we got to have this a week ago, i saw all of this legislation. as well as giving $35 million to abortion providers, who can peek up their services. because we are going to get a flood of people. i have declared this as our safe harbor. this is where we have the statue of liberty, welcoming people who are oppressed. women who cannot receive the fundamental right to control their body, receive an abortion, they are oppressed. they are welcome here in the state of new york. >> it sounds like as you said, you were prepared for this, the state was prepared for this. but how forward thinking are you in that? i can't remember, in the new
york times, or a journalist say that the alito draft was leaked, about how friends of hers were deleting period tracking apps from their phones, for fear that the government would use that to then prosecute them for seeking reproductive health services. as you thinking on that far to try and anticipate where the federal government could be going? >> isn't it reprehensible that we have to have this conversation? it is a police state? it is where we carry peoples freedoms, we have government telling us what to do, not just our veterans, taking or the access even to contraception, which they telegraphed they would do? this is that wild speculation on our part. they said they would do that, as well as talking about vacating national law, and then abortion? how far have we fall, in so quickly? so all of these will be mobilized, at the polls. i guarantee it. it will be creating a motivation, the people were complacent in the past.
you saw what happens when you get a donald trump in, and three supreme court justices who should not be there. this is the direct correlation to people exercising their right to vote, and what happens. >> is it really, governor? i hope you are right, but the courts, judges have never been motivating factors for democratic voters the way they have been four republican voters. do you think that because, because the court took concrete action and stripped the american people, stripped right away from the american people, from women, the vote for democrats, if not pro-choice pro-choice politicians matters to the party? >> i tell you what i have been speaking at rallies. to protect abortion rights in this state for 30 years. we always talk about the possible day, some day in the future, it was like chicken little, the sky could be falling, the sky fell, chicken
little. the sky fell on all of us. if that is not a motivating factor, this was a fight of my mother's generation, my generation. i have a brand-new grand daughter. i did not think that it will be the flight in her generation, this is deeply personal. i've been rallies, speaking all over people coming up, sobbing in my arms, in brooklyn yesterday, a farmers market, a woman cried in my arms saying, do not let this happen to us. this is deeply personal. i never experienced something like this in my life, i have been working politics since i was a teenager. there is a strong anger out there. that anger, not a democratic issue, republicans, independents, women just want to be able to make their own decisions, and have government tell them that they cannot, it is shocking. the motivating factor it could increase our senate because there are forces, other leaders like mccarthy who say, well now
it's going to be a national ban? okay, that is a wake up call to anybody whoever decides just about an election. >> from your lips to god's ears, governor kathy hochul, governor the greater new york. thank you for coming to the sunday show. >> very much. great to see. you >> great to see you, too. after the, break a preview of the next round of january six hearings. a member of the select committee, congresswoman stephanie murphy, joins me next. did not go anywhere. me next did not go anywhere.
the president just said the election was corrupt, and then leave him the messed the rest to me in the republican congressman. mr. donahue, it is a direct quote from president trump, correct? >> that is a direct quote from the president, yes. >> there is this january six hearing revealed how donald trump pressured justice department officials to along with his plan to overturn the 2020 election. and the next set of hearings could bring even more bombshells.
you are that right. more hearings are coming next month, because a january 6th select committee term betty thompson said the panel has received new information. joining me now, january six committee member congresswoman stephanie murphy of florida. congresswoman murphy, thank you very much for coming to the sunday show. >> it is great to be with you. >> what is the biggest take away from thursday's hearing? >> thursday's hearings should be additional channel that the former president attempted to pressure the department to say that the election was corrupt, and try to show evidence that the election was corrupt. he pressured the department of justice officials to help him in his efforts to defraud the american people, about the true outcome of the 2020 election. he knew he had lost, and was casting him out for ways in which he could overturn the
election. >> so then, german thompson saying there will be new hearings, more hearings, next month. what should we expect when those hearings return in july? >> well, so far you've seen the political efforts to overturn the election, pressure on state election officials to put forward fake elector slates, or to really can't the election votes in put forward a different outcome. you've seen the outcome saying there will be election fraud. you've seen the pressure that will be pushed on the vice president, to just simply turn over the call of an election for the former president trump, and now once you will see in the hearings will be the emerging of the political efforts with the physical violence it happened on january
six. january six was not a spontaneous event. this is the culmination of this effort to overturn the outcome of the 2020 election. and you will also see what the president was doing as the capital was being attacked. >> so, i just want to make sure that i heard you correctly. in the forthcoming hearings, are we going to see just one hearing focused specifically on what then president donald trump was doing, as the capital was coming back by his supporters. >> that is correct. there will be one hearing that details when the president was doing. you've seen a little bit of hints about that in previous hearings, where there were lot of people who are trying to help the capital, trying to make sure that the members were safe, the vice president was safe. and this and future hearings, you will see what the president did during that time. >> i also ought to pick up something else you said in an
earlier response, when you said that this was not a spontaneous event. the insurrection on january 6th. from your vantage point, as a member of the january 6th select committee, and all the things you have seen so far, where u.s. shocked or surprised by how sophisticated this operation was? is it more sophisticated than even you thought, before the investigation began? >> i think when we started the investigation, i was horrified by the dangerous and chaotic scene that boiled it on january six. when they've come to realize is that the most dangerous actions, and the most insidious actions toward our democracy happened in the lead up to january 6th. it is those efforts to overturn the free and fair election, to cast doubt on the will of the voters. those are the things that are most damaging to our democracy, and they culminated in an act of violence on january 6th.
but the democracy was under incredible pressure, and under attack, quickly before january six happened. >> congresswoman, murphy do you think from your vantage point right now and everything that you have seen and heard, that former president trump should be charged and held responsible, legally, for what happened on january 6th? >> i believe that the department of justice is the right departments to determine criminal activity, as it relates to january six. we are seeing they are doing that. have we have been prosecuted people who have been committing crimes related to january six. and they are continuing to do their work. and i will leave it to them to determine who committed a crime. but what i will say is that i do not believe anybody is above the law. and i hope the department justice solves this, wherever
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maloney of new york, the chair of the democratic congressional campaign committee. congressman maloney, welcome back to the sunday show, great to be with you. >> happy pride! >> happy pride! so that supreme court ruling, overturning roe v. wade. does that help a little bit or a lot, the democrats, going into november? >> look, what it does is that it clarifies the choice. let's be really clear. this maga republican movement wants to criminalize, then abortion in all 50 states. and if they win congress, they can do it. because with the court decision says is there is no longer any constitutional prohibition on that. they could pass one law to congress, and ban abortion in all 50 states. democrats, we will preserve roe v. wade, that's the choice. >> democrats are facing incredible headwinds, high inflation, high gas prices, a president whose job approval rating is not where it should
be if you are a democrat, going into the november elections. so how does this ruling help? does it help? >> look, it is a terrible thing they are doing to our country. i don't want to, in any way suggest that this is good news. but there is going to be a political price to pay for the republicans, and there should be. but not just on roe in the weight, as terrible as that is. remember, most do not want to do anything when kids are being gunned down in their classrooms. most would go backwards, under this ruling, and with magically, we sit here on pride sunday, we think we made this progress, that is also all at risk. of course, even our right to have intimate associations, interracial marriage, birth control. if you take the courts ruling seriously, all of those things are now on the ballot. so democrats want to build a country where we all count, where we can all go forward in a way that's more prosperous, inclusive. yes, we have challenges. we understand the economy, gas prices and inflation are top of
mind for people. we have solutions for those things, a plan. the other side has a ploy to empower for themselves, and that is the choice. >> as i noted, at the top of the show, this is the exact seventh anniversary of the ruling which made marriage equality legal, which made your marriage, my marriage legal in the united states. are you surprised by how much things have changed, how far we have fallen from that incredible supreme court decision, to a point where the supreme court justices are saying, it should be reconsidered, the texas republican gop is plugging in its platform that homosexuality quote, is an abnormal lifestyle. are you shocked by how far we've fallen in terms of the fight for equality? >> well i have been telling people's, with john lewis, when they gutted the voting rights
act, i was with him in the cloakroom. and he said to me, little brother, i was standing next to lbj when he signed the voting rights act. if you told me 48 years later i would still be fighting for voting rights, i said i would not believe it. he said, it will be up to you to keep fighting for these things. because those of us who did it 50 years ago, we are getting older. it is the same thing with our rights. the fact is, we are on a march across the bridge to the future, there are people waiting on the other side. they might not have that billy clubs, tear gas and barking dogs, but there are opponents of the future, who are now facing us. so we have to work, to vote. this is an ongoing practice. so if you care about a country where people count, if you have friends, family celebrating pride, this month, not just in new york but all over the country, if you believe we could all sit in this modern world, do well and have our rights and freedoms protected, you have got to vote democratic. you have to get out and work, participate in these midterms. but as what has to happen.
>> and on that point, frustrated democrats, everywhere you look, there are democrats who are frustrated that you know, we voted you in but you didn't sign a criminal justice reform, voting rights, nothing has been done on that. and now the supreme court has overturned roe v. wade. your message to frustrated democrats about, why should they get involved, volunteer or even show up at the polls in november? >> maybe i will keep telling you about john lewis. because the first time they tried to march over that bridge, they got stopped. they did not get give, discouraged, they said they would merge, we do not get across, so they went back and did it again. that is what we have to do. look, in the house of representatives, i think it is worth noting, we have passed the women's health protection act, which would put roe v. wade into federal law. we passed the equality act, we should finally and implement discrimination in this. the floyd justice and policing, to have good accountability with policing.
we get build back better for better childcare, better support for young families. the kinds of things that would lower prescription drug costs and really help middle class families. we are not there in the senate. man, we need to end the filibuster, if you ask me. because it should not be the case that attorney anti democratic minority, 20% of the country, with 40 senators could stop all progress. so, i think we cannot let these senate proceedings get in the way of having some democracy in this country. it just means we have to work, we two more senators, we need to hold the house. i know democrats are frustrated, but i hope they will channel that energy into working for a better future. it is the only way forward. >> congressman sean patrick maloney, chair of the democratic congressional campaign committee. i should call you general, because oh my, your job is to keep the democrats in control of the house. good luck to you, sir. >> thank you, jonathan. >> and in the next hour, more special guests as we continue our special edition of the
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city's annual pride march. but let us remember something. the spot for today's celebration was a riot. in the early morning hours of june 28th, 1969, the nypd raided the stonewall inn, a gay bar, located just a half mile from where we sit. a punch was thrown, a melee ensued, and the protests, clashes that followed over the ensuing six days led to the birth of the modern lgbtq civiwe march now looks nothing like the marches from decades ago, this they should serve as a reminder that this movement was born of necessary protest, especially now. the supreme court, overturning a 49-year-old constitutional right to abortion puts the reproductive health of millions of women at risk. but the concurring opinion from justice clarence thomas, whom used the court should
reconsider its rulings, grounding constitutional right to privacy, including same-sex marriage, is a warning to us all that the fight for lgbtq equality is far from over. the parades have to give way to marches, but marches have to lead to mobilization, and the mobilization must lead to action. justice thomas made it clear who is next to be stripped of their constitutional rights. as an out, gay, married man who loved his country and its ideals, i will not sit idly by as he starts to make that happen. and neither should you. back with me this hour is melissa murray, msnbc legal analyst, professor of nyu school of law and former clerk to justice alito, so admire. and joining me this panel, richie jackson, author of gay like me. social richards, co-chair of american bridge, and former president of planned parenthood. and maria to miss it tomorrow, msnbc contributor, and
president and ceo of -- thank you, all very much for coming to the sunday show. we have to talk about the abortion ruling, i will come to you first, especially as the former president of planned parenthood, given what you are doing now with american bridge. talk about not just how damaging and devastating the ruling was. but what does it mean for the future of constitutional rights in this country? >> well, jonathan, thank you for having me. look, i think that this anti-freedom trend by the republican party, and now the supreme court is incredibly disturbing. obviously we saw them take away the rights of millions of people in this country to make decisions about their own pregnancy. and as you say, this is only the beginning. one of the things i think is important to point out is that, even though what the supreme court seems to say, this will now be a state by state issue, i can guarantee you this
national republican party, if they are to take over and get united states congress, one of the first bills they will introduce will be a national abortion ban. so, no state is safe if the republican party gains control in this country. i think white is also important obviously, there are a lot of stories about the inhumanity, what is happening to women across the country who suddenly have no access to care. also, it is important to remember that there is an entire generation of young people who have just had their future stripped away from them by the republican party and supreme court. younger people who have dreams of finishing school, planning their family, when they want to have one, if they want to have one. and all of that was just taken away. not only has this inflamed most of us who cannot imagine our children having fewer rights than we did, but also it has the potential to engage millions and millions of young people in this country who have just had their rights taken away from them, and the supreme
court never even asked. >> and so, on that point, maria teresa, democrats have been trying to get the base motivated, the young people motivated on the issue of judges and courts and then failed miserably. do you think that this supreme court ruling, and what's cecile just mentioned, it will be motivation enough to get people to the polls in november? >> jonathan, thank you so much. and it is wonderful to see you live at the gate parade, showing my people what happens when people come together we fight for our rights, seek equality. i have to share with you that oftentimes, people say young people do not care. but if i looked into the tea leaves of what happened in the past, in 2018, we saw a large uptick in young people coming out, voting in 2020, even more, close to 23% increase in their numbers. but many of them are still sitting out. here is where the opportunity lies. i will share with you, we are expecting 6 million more young
people who have turned 18 since 2020. this means if they participate, you can change the rules so they are very much talking about a future that everybody can thrive. alone, in texas, we are expecting 300,000 latino youth to turn 18 by this coming midterm. so when you hear cecile talking about, what impact does friday 's decision have on their lives? you need to communicate to them that everything is at stake. not just for the arc of their own ability to choose when to have a family, if they want to, but also the rights of so many friends and allies. >> melissa, what do you say to somebody who might say, oh, you guys are being hyperbolic! alito and his decision, the final decision says, you know, this only applies to abortion. don't worry, we are not talking about any other rights! and clarence thomas? yeah, he said that we should reconsider griswold, lawrence, that does not mean that is
going to happen. is that a fools errand, to think nothing is going to happen? >> those people have been saying that to me. so i said to me, believe black women. they have been saying this over and over again. these are not siloed issues. the assault on democracy, the assault on voting rights is inextricably linked to the assault on reproductive rights and gay rights. all of it is part of an anti democracy platform, that this court is not only engineered, it is now actually executing. we have to care about these issues. we have to remember that the protest movement we are celebrating today was the subject of immediate backlash from people like shapleigh, who killed the equal rights amendment in the 1970s, on the grounds that gay rights and abortions or antithetical to the american family. they see these as conjoined. we should understand our face, as inextricably linked to one another. we must fight for each other, or we will all go down together. >> and richie, in your book, gay like me, which you wrote, in the middle of the trump
presidency, you were very angry, and very fearful, because you are writing this book to your son jackson, who at that time had just come out. and do things that i remember among many from the book, one is that you drilled into him that what is going to happen today is not a parade, it is a march. remember, this march was born out of protest. and also, you implored him to know his history, to keep on top of current events, because his rights, his right depend on it. >> and that is sacrosanct. when i moved to new york, my first protest, i can see the building that i lived in, from where we are sitting today. and there were protests. we had nothing, in new york. no rights, no visibility, no out elected officials, no out movie stars. no tv shows about us. so we had to fight for every
right. so i understood, growing up, part of our jobs as lgbtq people is to protect and defend our rights and stay vigilant. and yes, clarence thomas threatened marriage, but roe, abortion is an lgbtq issue. lgbtq people get abortions. we don't wait for that marriage ruling. the assault on our community is happening now. and all of the rainbows you see, all of the corporate floats you see, are very real, that is happening. there are over 300 anti lgbtq bills in state legislatures right now. there are over 100 anti-trans bills, many targeting parents and children. so, like melissa said, we must understand that all of these rights, all of these issues are our issues, voting, abortion
and marriage. they are all linked together. and we can't parade down fifth avenue, we must vote and then that the vote with a protest. because voting is not enough. we have to protest every day. not once in a while in washington, with fancy speakers. that will not be enough, we need to act up, like the 80s. we must disrupt, normal course of business. we need to make it so that these cruel, republican legislatures stop the attack on the lgbtq community. we must make it impossible for the governors, in which the republican governors, to terrorize our lgbtq kids. so voting is not enough, back it up with protests in the streets, to disrupt the normal course of business. >> i will come back to you. do you think that there is enough passion out there to do what richie says, to get out there, to protest in the streets but also to show up at
the ballot box in november to take the anger we see across the country over to the supreme court ruling that overturned roe, to turn that into political action that changes the federal government, so that it follows the will of a majority of the american people? we know the majority of the american people support a woman's right to choose an abortion, support constitutional rights to an abortion? >> absolutely. and i could not agree more with ritchie, with melissa. these issues are all of our issues. we saw in the state of texas, as soon as they had banned abortion, it is not that the right wing sat back, the republican party sat back. they immediately went after transgender children and their families. so this is not the end, this is just the beginning of an anti-democratic, anti-freedom republican party, that wants to strip away the rights of the
rest of us. so i do think it is obviously important, voting is critical. this november will be critical. but we do have to be in the streets. when i am really read, in this supreme court opinion, it is that they simply did not care, that millions of people's futures were going to be ripped away. they did not care that the vast majority of people in this country support the right of people to make their own decisions about their pregnancy, without the government interfering. they did not care that 50 years of precedent was going to be turned on its head. so our job, i would say, and i think that this is where ritchie is going, it is to make them a care. and their governors, senators, congressmen and city council, people legislators, they will be on the ballot this november. they have to know that to vote against a peoples right to make their own decision about pregnancy, is a politically bad thing to do. we have to engage our side to make sure that the millions of people who are eligible to vote
go out this november. a>> melissa, i will come back o you with a little bit of time we have left. because, i turn always the pero read the tea leaves right. you always put on the radar, here is what you should be looking out for. now that we have the gun decision, abortion decision, what should we be looking for, if there's anything that jumps out at you from the court, that we should be concerned about, that we do not know if we should be concerned about right now? >> we have been focused on guns and abortions over the last three days. if we zoom out, this court has been dropping massive, consequential opinions for this entire month. on monday, there was a decision which requires public schools, at school boards, to fund religious schools. this was a case, dealing with the main religious school tuition funding plan. this is a court which is hell bent on expanding religious liberty for certain groups,
while contracting the states ability to resist the dismantling of separation of church and state. we have seen the expansion of gun rights. we have now seen the withdrawal of abortion rights. there is more to come. we are still waiting for a decision on the epa, and climate change. we are still waiting for decisions on whether coaches at public school should be allowed to pray on the field with their students. 63 super conservative majority does what it wants, when it once. irrespective of the will of the people. >> one quick question. we are out of time. chief justice roberts, has the title chief justice, but does he have control over the court? >> he does not. basically, he said as much in his concurrence when he said, i was trying to do all of this, no one would come with me. we saw that. they would not go with him. he's out of control, he is the chief justice in name only. >> and that right there is one of the most concerning things i have heard. the chief justice of the supreme court is not in control of the court. richie jackson, melissa murray,
cecile richards, maria teresa kumar, thank you all very much for coming to the sunday show. as you can hear, we are on the march route for the pride march here in new york city. you might hear those helicopters in the background. as we celebrate this pride march, we are mindful of the growing hate and and i lgbtq rhetoric, discrimination and threats which played the country. how we address it, we will discuss that after the break. will will discuss that i'm not a person that's going to sit too long. in the morning, i wake up and the first thing i do is go to my art studio. a couple came up and handed me a brochure on prevagen. i feel a little bit brighter and my mind just feels sharper. i would recommend it to anyone. it absolutely works. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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that magic quality, among other rights previously upheld by the supreme court should be reconsidered has given new urgency to the alarms sounded by lgbt advocates for months. right, now more than 320 and i lgbtq+ bills have been introduced throughout the country. and the texas republican party 's new platform, used language or calling homosexuality a quote, abnormal lifestyle choice. joining me now to discuss the restrictions on abortions, and the current state of lgbtq plus rights if congressman mondaire jones of new york, and delicate danica roe of the virginia house of delegates, and author of burn the page. thank you very much for being here. as you can hear, the pride march here in new york city has begun, congressman jones. so now, given the confetti
falling around us, and as a congressman from new york, talk about the importance of where we are, right now when it comes to our rights. >> look. it is great to be with you, jonathan. great to be celebrating pride, to have pride in oneself, and as an openly lgbt plus individual, it's a revolution. joy is an act of resistance, especially amongst everything we face right now. it is not lost on me as we deal with the devastation from friday's supreme court opinion, overturning roe v. wade, in that same decision, we saw justice thomas points to other rights. the right to magic quality, to same sex intimacy, and called those rights into question. so we know what is next. that's why i have been fighting tooth and nail in congress to make sure we restore balance to the court by adding more seats, for example. >> and delegate roem, you are a historic figure in the commonwealth of virginia, the first out transgender person ever elected in the
commonwealth. i would love your perspective, because what we have seen, all of this is legislators around the country. they're taking aim at transgender people, particularly transgender kids, singling them out for discrimination. >> well, one of the first things i want to mention is here in virginia, we are still protecting our trans constituents. we are still protecting those trans kids, despite the fact that the republican majority in the house of delegates want to attack them, despite the fact that in the 20 1:19 democratic majority of the senate, some members there filed bills to attack those kids. and, to every person standing behind you, marking today, i am glad they are out celebrating. just as the congressman said, it's a radical act to be yourself. at the same time, i hope everyone there, every person watching at home understands the severity of grabbing a
clipboard and getting out to actually help elect people who support the equality act, who support inclusivity, at your local and state levels right now, and unseat the very people who are trying to take other people's civil rights away. >> delegate roem, let me get you on one other thing. governor youngkin from virginia's imposing a 13-week abortion ban. but it might not start. there could people in virginia maybe look at abortion, eventually being banned altogether? >> well, that will be the goal of the party in virginia. no question. right now as i speak to you, and for the remainder of this year, you know, abortion in the first two trimester is were being legal in virginia. and the talking point they are trying to use, with their 15-week ban is to try to say, oh, we are trying to reduce -- everyone once fewer numbers of abortions in virginia. you are the direct consequence of this decision is? they will be an exponential increase in the number of abortions performed in virginia,
as people from kentucky and other states start to come into virginia. by the way, we have already had an influx of patients coming from states like texas, for example. and, what you also will have is this past thursday, i was talking to folks over at a rally, where a folk their talk about how it was sexually assaulted. her abortion was able to basically restore her bodily autonomy. she said it was suicide prevention. and it is not just for six women. this is why lgbtq people have to care about what happened on friday, this also affects non-binary people, effects as justice connor was saying, as we heard earlier today, justice thomas laid out the marching orders to take away further civil rights from lgbtq people. this is an all hands on deck, we have to win everywhere, at every level of government. we have to start doing it this year, right now. and next year, when all 40
state senate seats are up in virginia, and 100 seats in the house of delegates are up, i am asking all to please come out, to the 30th district of the state senate next year, we have to win that. f th >> congressman jones, part of the parade, it seemed like the first wave of the parade has already gone by. you know what i found most moving? seeing one, just how many people are actually out marching, but also the number of young people. i remember coming to this march for the first time, just a couple of blocks up over here, standing, watching the parade go by. and it seems like back then, time was fraught. now, today, in 2022, time is, the time is fraught. your advice to lgbtq+ young people, who are looking around at what is happening in the country, thinking, why are they targeting me? what could you say to give them
hope for the future? >> well, jonathan, you know when i was growing up, poor, black and closeted, i never imagined someone like me could run for congress let alone get elected. it was because of the work of people who came before me, and lead the world into what it is, today where someone like me could be in the united states congress, and have me as the first openly gay black member of congress. that is something that people should draw strength from. that our work has been successful. and of course, progress must be fought for and protected. and this is going to take movement work. this is organizing, this is legislating, this is being transformative, bold and the solutions that we offer, in terms of what we need to galvanize people to come out to vote. and of course, what we need to stop the crises we face right now. so my advice to young people's, i am living proof of the fact that it does get better. if we keep fighting for, it we will win these fights. people who came before us like john lewis's generation, for
example, they faced far greater odds than what we face right now. >> i am sorry, but i have to dance! also, i just want to point out a moment ago, mondaire jones is running for reelection, he had a bunch of folks behind us a moment ago. >> well, we are in the heart of new york's tenth congressional district. the district that gave birth to the lgbtq rights movement in america. stonewall, for example. stonewall, the first pride was a riot. and we know that given all of the progress that we have made, and yet, all of the setbacks that we are on the cusp of experiencing, if we do not fight hard enough, we need folks who will be fighting tooth and nail to make sure we protect the rights we have already gained. this district never had an openly gay representative in congress somehow. i'm working to change that this summer. >> because of all of the great music, i cannot hear my time cues. i don't know if we have enough time? delegate danica -- danice roem, i will ask you the
same question i asked congressman jones. that is, what would you say to lgbtq queue plus young people who might be looking at what is happening around the country, or they are being targeted by elected officials, having their rights put in danger. what would you say to them to give them hope that there is a brighter future out there? >> well, what i would say to those young lgbtq people who are seeing the civil rights being attacked right now is, i know exactly what you are going through. as a trans woman who grew up over here in the south, the district i represent right now has the first battle of the civil war, right here in it. i understand but it is right seeing legislators at local and state level attack my civil rights. my predecessor was elected 13 times, over 26 years. and he carried the constitutional amendment that band marriage equality, put in
the bathroom bill as long as a slew of other bills. his your claim of fame, was being the most antiabortion legislator, not just in the south, but in our country. and in 2017, i stepped up. and we did the impossible. we won. and since we won, i now had 32 of my bills signed into law. i am here to tell you, you have to be your best advocate. you have to step up, you have to get engaged. >> and delegate danica roem, i have to leave it there. congressman mondaire jones, thank you for being here. i want to go to president biden, who is at the g7 summit in germany, speaking right now. >> access tolean energ technologies. for example, the u.s. government just facilitated a new partnership between two american firms, and the government of angola, to invest two billion dollars into building a new solar project in angola. it is a partnership which will help angola meet its climate
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overturning the right to an abortion is devastating. not only for millions of women, but also for their families, including the man who love and support them. my next guest was the first city senator to talk about their personal experience, and how and abortion saved his former wife's life. joining me now is senator gary peters of michigan, who is also the chair of the democratic senatorial campaign committee. senator, thank you very much for being here. i wanted to tell you upfront, because we took the breaking news with our president, our time is limited. i want to talk about your former wife, she had a problem during pregnancy and at one point, her doctor recommended an abortion. but the hospital, the doctors hospital would not let them perform it, so you needed to go to another facility. what was that ordeal like, not only for your former wife but for you? >> excruciating, horrible for a deal. and getting to that point where the doctors said we simply
can't do it in this hospital, he sent my former wife home with over two nights, saying this miscarriage would happen overnight, wait for the miscarriage. it was incredibly dramatic, a horrible experience. when the hospital refused to do the procedure which was necessary, her health was declining. she could not possibly, it could possibly be life-threatening. the message he left on her recorder it was, this is not based on medical practice. this is based on politics. i urge you to go see another doctor. get to another hospital as soon as you can, your life is in danger. certainly, you could have a severe infection and lose your uterus. it was a horrible thing. and now with roe v. wade overturned here in michigan, we had a major hospital system just announced yesterday that they will not perform abortions for the health of the mom, only if there is imminent death. this is a serious health issues for families, impacting both women, men and families. this will be catastrophic for
families all across our country. and as i am told this story, i am overwhelmed by the number of people who have reached out to me who say they have also had the same story, they are frightening for other folks who might be faced with these situations now that roe v. wade has been overturned. >> really quickly, senator peters, as we mentioned, you are the head of the d f c c. do you think the supreme court decision will be a galvanizing effort on your part to not only maintain the majority, but increase the majority for democrats in the city? real fast. >> we certainly hope so. we are organizing. we have a website, defend choice thought org which will allow people to get on that site, get engaged. it is important that they are heard. the way that we push back is november we need more pro-choice, democratic senators. we have a number of battleground states where we know the majority of people are pro-choice, and opposed to what they are saying. but people have to get out, they have to vote, be engaged. i would urge folks to go to
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from the lgbtq pride march, starting here in new york city. people are coming together on this beautiful day, for so many reasons. and i got a great panel here to talk about. joining the onset, actor and writer george hahn, and rashad robinson, president of color of change. thank you both so much. so much has happened in the news last week, january 6th,
the abortion ruling, the gun's ruling. pride, here in new york city. but also, the community is under assault, under attack. all over, including from justice thomas's recurring opinion. rashad, as much as it is call, what justice thomas sent out to far-right folks like hey, we are coming after the lgbtq community, what should that message be to the community? >> a message to anyone who cares about human rights and justice. the message should have happened a long time ago, because they have been building infrastructure on a regular basis, to make us illegitimate. this has been their message. when you have a group of people who constantly talk about legitimacy, whether it was trump in 2016, when he claimed that he had won the popular vote, to sort of, what happened in 2020 so whether it is voting
rights, january 6th, this abortion ruling or now, the attacks on marriage and equality, we can't go into every individual, silent corners and i think we are going to win. we have to recognize that we are going to have to take out their infrastructure, just like they are coming for hours. also, we have to do the work to collectively mobilize, to use this as sort of the electoral driver. but also, to take on the enablers. those who say they are on our side, but still fund the right-wing politicians who put our communities in harm's way. the corporations which supported the politicians, who put the judges in place, who will be supporting play pride floats in these parades. we need a holistic strategy, because they have a holistic strategy to take us out. >> and george, i would love to get your viewpoint from this standpoint. there are people out there who might hear what rashad is saying, and what he is saying is, right, true and fair. but they might say, you know what?
i want a criminal justice reform. they have not done anything. i want to voting rights reform, voting rights protected. they have not done anything. why should i come out and vote? even if they overturned roe v. wade, and so they are going to go after marriage equality and other institutions? >> i put nothing past this court. i think thomas, his opinion is a little bit against us. or maybe a wink at conservatives, i should say. and also, i take nothing for granted. i put nothing past anybody. and number two, maybe this is number three? i lost count. we do not get everything on our punch list. i want this in this election, this president did not stand for this, so i want to like this because i want this, this, this and this. guys, we are not going to get everything on our christmas list, we will not get everything. i used to have this sort of, i don't know if it is productive
or not, but i say i am not enthusiastic about a lot of politicians. in my mind, they kind of all suck, i will vote for the one that sucks less? that is not very optimistic, that point of view. it is hard to get excited. but at the same time, in the interest of being pragmatic, i, george, you, jonathan, and you rashad, you will not get everything that you want, we will not get everything we want, that is the nature of the beast. >> joining us now is stacey stevenson, ceo of family equality. you perspective on this. because, you know, george is expressing, there are folks who are saying, you know, i am not enthusiastic about these folks. george says, look. you do not get everything you want, we must be pragmatic. do you think that the supreme court's decision that overturned roe, where justice thomas said we should go after griswold, the right to contraception, and lawrence,
shouldn't that be enough? enough to motivate people, not just in the lgbtq+ community, but everyone who cares about constitutional rights, to get out there and not just take to the streets, in protests as they have been doing around the country, but to take that activism to the ballot box in november, to vote in pro rights politicians? >> i absolutely agree. one of the things people are missing is that this affects all of us. what happened on friday affects everybody. it affects street people and lgbtq+ people. that should be enough for people to go this is scary. this is about a right to privacy. this is about equal protection. this is about all of those things. so all of us should be worried, absolutely. >> but we have to be very clear. we cannot gaslight our movement into saying that there have not been disappointments. part of the work we actually have to do in the movement is
to put forward that candidates will actually inspire people, it is to move people into actually taking on the forces, picking the fights which will actually motivate people. yes, it should be enough to say that the republicans are bad, the right-wing is bad and they will take away our votes and our rights, our ability to have our families protected. but in some cases, we have to help people, 365 days a year see those fights. that's why i continue to talk about the work to hold corporations accountable. that is why the work to connect the prosecutor movement to this work, now all around the country there will be prosecutors who will be called on to not prosecute a woman for making a reproductive choice. and something like lawrence is taken away, we will have to rely on local prosecutors in that way. that is why so much of this work is about building power, to hold elected officials accountable. the right-wing has done an excellent job of building power, to make their movement see that
this was all about judges. whether or not they like the candidate, people had a long term vision. this is about electing judges because they will allow them to do the things they want them to do. and we have to build a similar movement, to recognize we cannot just be republican like, we have to keep people of the reasons to want to fight for us and fight with us, because we will deliver for them. can i add something to that, and just ask a question. which is, i think this has to be a reach across the aisle strategy, right? when you say that with the right-wing is doing, i understand. but i know from my work that there are republicans who are telling me that they cannot believe that this is happening. they are also pro quality, they are also gave parents so i want to know. your thoughts about having this sort of reach across the aisle strategy. because i, great we have to build a medieval discharge went to build a community and get people in place. >> i want to welcome as many people into the tent as possible, but i also don't know
if i could've to confuse the fact that there are so many folks on the rights that remain silent. as donald trump moves into power, as so many republicans still will not speak out, even after january six. so i'm not interested people coming to me in the quiet and saying that they are actually with us, and not actually doing the things with their ballots, not doing things with their position of power. now doing things in the corporations that they are in, to actually signal that they are with us. by actually doing the things that move from presents to power. i am not interested in presents. i am interested in power. and powers the ability to change the rules. far too often we had it with folks that want to reach across the aisle, but not willing to do the things struck to make it worth it. >> i agree. >> as we see, senators schumer is coming by. >> senator schumer! >> he is pretending he doesn't hear us.
>> i don't feel sane. >> we invited him on the show, by the way. he chose to just march in the march instead of sitting on the set and talking about it. but in all seriousness, i want to play -- i don't even know which came to look at. i want to play this. i played the sound so many times, i just want you to listen to congresswoman mary miller of illinois. just listen to this. >> president trump, on behalf of all the maga patients in america, i want to thank you for the historic victory for a white life in the supreme court yesterday. >> it did you hear that? did you hear that? i want to thank you for the historic victory for white's life in the supreme court yesterday. now. now.
if you want is to be charitable you could say that she tripped, said white but meant to say life, and try to clean it up. but that is one hell of a 40 and slip. >> listen. it looks like for summer 22 look she is going sleeveless and she is going without the hide. she is really taking off a lot of layers this summer, and really just, let's lose the dog whistle to. let's lose the sleeves, the will, and the dog whistle and go megaphone. all kidding aside, there are a lot of people who criticize. not a lot of people, who theorize. and smart people. who theorize this abortion, ruling striking down roe, is largely based in race. white people say that they are no longer going to be the majority in a few minutes. and this breaking a lot of people out. hence this emphasis on the border in the south. but we can look at other countries, is the brown people that make us nervous.
because we are going to lose a majority, and we can't let these people aboard their children. because isn't there something like 60% of abortions are white women? they were singer getting women getting abortions. i think it is 60% white. for people who want to be a white majority country, that freaks them out. she is very much on brand. he is on you said, if you things right? >> the connection to race, i think, is very important here. not just in terms of the suppression of different communities boats who are going to vote progressive. but also the fact that if you just take the historical view, of how we got here with abortion being such a mobilizing victory, that definitely started after the end of segregation. and paul, are who founded the heritage foundation, and alex, the american legislative association, he moved to abortion and really started building alliances with the religious rights. and the evangelical right.
so what we are seeing is when they felt like they no longer has the out front tomorrow coral on segregation, they moved to abortion. but they are going to go back to segregation, and go back to all the other things allowed them to have the type of country that they want. >> i don't disagree. i think it is a sticking race. and in fact, the reason why the ban started way back in the day was about white lives, right? assuring that they were going to be the majority. so it absolutely is steeped in race. i do think there are other things like segregation, actually, that we need to be aware of the can come back to the table. absolutely. are of the can come back t the table. absolu>> you when i talked laste jonathan, that i was on. the last parades, which was easter. you only have mail-in there's a parade, i think there is a theme happening here. but there are a lot of people in this country, and in the electorate, who are furious that black family was enough of china in the white house. and have not gotten over it. i don't know if anybody saw
what donald trump junior tweeted a few days ago, it was make fun of my dad they correspondents dinner. the way obama did. and then, robots overturned. f around and find as. that was basically the gist of it. >> i mean, they have been threatening. they meaning, certainly, the far-right. they have been threatening with dog whistles for generations. but for president trump, no more dog whistles. megaphone. and then, with trump off the stage out of the scene, but still a looming presence, i don't even know what you would call it now. what is bigger than a megaphone? between congresswoman miller, what more can we expect them to say? >> it is not just what they say. it is going to be what they do. and what they do is they are going to put our community and harm's way. and we are going to actually to
do the work to find ways to protect each other. to ensure that people are being taken care of in this moment. then we are going to have to do the work, next, i'm actually holding their infrastructure accountable. make sure that those who say they are on our side, but are donating money and engaging with those groups, are held accountable. >> then we are going to turn out and engage, and we are going to have to be strategic about the type of structural changes that we demands. when democrats are in office, we actually don't move towards structural changes. we should have moved towards d.c. voting rights, when we had the chance. we should've been moving towards making sure that we expand the right to vote wherever we possibly can. we need to make sure that this democracy allows all of our voices to be hard. and that has to be the focus of this work, and that will only happened because the elected officials that say they are on our side, now actually do that work. and that is going to be about accountability. that is why for folks who want to know what to do next, they need to be getting involved in local organizations that are
working on this issue, and nationalizations they're holding folks accountable, doing the work to engage every single day, until this election. but through 2020 for it to be odd. because this is not going to be over anytime soon. >> this, or the republicans do really well, and why democrats stuck at, is unifying with a message. and democrats are too busy with, i don't to say fringe issues, that's not fair. that is maybe with a broad stroke. but stick with a message. yes they were going to be differences under this tent. but stick with the message. because the republicans and the people who are not the majority, on many levels, are kicking our ass. >> so then, what is the message? >> i don't, know but pick top three. pick three top issues. i don't know the answer right now. >> i don't think it is about individual issues, actually. i think if we go to our corner on individual issues, that is where we lose it. but if we go after -- >> i'm giving the last word to
stacey. >> i think maybe the message is, what comes to mind is, we are all under attack. everybody. this is an everybody thing. this is not just lgbtq+. this is, not as i said, republican or democrat. everybody needs to understand the magnitude of this. this is everybody. i think about this when i talk to african-american folks who are not lgbtq. they, go that is your issue. it really isn't. this is our issue. how do we create this collective unit that is a strategic, or more strategic, than our opponents? and build something very different from the community up, which is going to address the issues ahead? because it is not going to happen anytime soon. >> -- >> absolutely. >> with, that we are gonna have to leave it there. i wish we had more time, it was great to be with you all in person. stacey stevenson, were robinson, george hassan. in those pants. we all very much appreciate you for being here. i don't forget, we are capping
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