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parenthood dicked off the march after -- should all be revisit and over ruled. >> i'm happy that people feel that they could come out here and show support. >> after friday's ruling, crowds both dismayed and thrilled grew outside of the fenced off supreme court. >> if they continue well beyond the nation's capitol with thousands marches in the street. >> they jammed new york city traffic for hours and others blocking a los angeles freeway. on friday a truck hit and injured someone. while in arizona, authorities say groups tried breaking into the state capitol with the legislators still in session, as state troopers deployed tear gas and in l.a. during a protest, full house star jody suitin was pushed to the ground by policech and in rhode island, h who is a
police officer and was off duty has dropped out of the race. >> it is extremely disappointing. political violence like this is not something new, being a black feel candidate running for office. >> politicians from both political parties also weighed in over the weekend on the sunday morning talk shows. >> we have some ideas coming from senator warren, signed letter along with 25 other democratic senators asking president biden to explore opening health care clinics on federal lands in red states in order to help people access the health care and abortion services that they need. >> i anticipate there will be more debate and discussion. what was interesting about the supreme court decision is that it gave the authority back to the states to make these decisions. so now that this decision has been made, it is up to each of the states and the state legislators and people there to talk to their elected representatives about what their
laws look like. >> all right. republican senator susan collins of maine and democratic senator joe manchin of west virginia criticized the supreme court's ruling. both senators voted to confirm justices brett kavanaugh and neil gorsuch. two key votes in the decision to overturn the half century old precedent of roe versus wade. senator collins blasted the ruling as, quote, a sudden and radical jolt to the country. that will lead to political chaos and anger and further loss of confidence in our government. senator manchin released a statement reading in part, quote, i trusted justice gorsuch and just kavanaugh when they testified under oath that they also believed roe v. wade was settled legal precedent. and i am alarmed they chose to reject the stability, the ruling has provided for two generations of americans. >> let's bring in nbc news
justice correspondent pete williams. you've been covering the court for so long. put this into perspective for us if you would along with bush v gore in 2000. you could think of another case that you've covered that will likely have as dramatic as an impact on americans? >> well, the gun cases that i think have a dramatic impact. certainly the same-sex marriage had a dramatic impact. in terms of things that have angered the country, the court rebounded pretty fast from bush v. gore. how fast it will rebound if at all from this decision, i think it go is going to be much tougher because the decision has been so heavily criticized. of course he can't lose light of the fact that there are millions of americans who are celebrating this decision. as something that they have fought for, for 50 years.
but it is a momentum for a couple of reasons. one is because so many people have depended on the right to abortion, it had been part of american life for 49 years and secondly because it is the first time the supreme court has ever granted a widely recognized constitutional right and then taken it away. >> and you know, less than one in three americans support based on the polling after this decision, but even years before this decision, the gallup poll put it in under 1 in 3, that leads to the next question. it is been fascinating for me at least to watch john roberts try to strike a conservative yet institutionalist path on the court. i think especially back to the
affordable care act, obamacare, and in a small conservative way, hey, don't ask me to do for you in the court what you could do for yourself in the ballot box. i'm wondering, how much of a concern this may cause not just john roberts but other institutionalists who always keep at least one eye focused on the court and its support with the american people. >> well, it certainly is a blow to chief justice roberts. what he was looking for was a middle ground and he said so in his concurrence just to be clear, the court was 5-4 on overturning roe. 6-3 on upholding the mismiss law that would ban abortion after 15 weeks and the chief justice said we should only decide what is before us, whether to ban abortion before the age of viability and he said the answer to that should be no, that viability was a arbitrary cut-off time for a state's interest so he didn't think the
court should overturn roe and he wanted to have the middle ground, the incremental step. and oral argument before the supreme court, while it seems like a matter of justices asking questions or the lawyers, it is the first time the justices have discussed them together and it is discussion by way of asking questions of the lawyers and it was obvious then he was looking for takers for the middle ground. nobody seemed to be with him on that. nobody was with him at the final step. so now that really the action turns to the states, and we're already seeing lawsuits pop up in the states, the supreme court has said that there is no guarantee under the federal constitution for abortion rights. now what we're seeing is lawsuits we've already seen them in utah and florida arguing well it is protected by state constitutions. which are different. and in utah, for example, the
argument is that utah's constitution gives more guarantees for family purposes, in florida, it is based oa theory of privacy. so we're going to see a lot more of that i think in the coming weeks. >> reverend al sharpton is with us and has a question for you. >> pete, let me ask, there has been some that would say, i think senator elizabeth warren said that president biden ought to try and open up facilities on federal property in certain red states. if he were to do that, could he be blocked, could some pro-lifers, could the governor in those states, could there will be some litigation around that to try to block it since it may be federal property but it is in a state that may have ruled this to be something against state law. >> so, my understanding of that is, and this is largely i think a matter for the department of defense, certainly has most number of employees in states
where abortion is banned. and there are military facilities where military folks could seek treatment. my understanding is that abortion is available there ome in cases where it is necessary to save the life or health of the mother. and i don't think it will be generally available to seek abortion on those facilities. but i think this is one of the legal questions that is going to have to be worked out. the biden administration position is we could do what we want on federal facilities and states cannot restrict travel from people going from states where it is banned to another state where it is legal in order to seek abortion, the states can't try to block that. and that states also can't try to block mailing the abortion medications into state where's it is banned because the biden administration argues those drugs have been approved by the fda. >> yeah. nbc news justice correspondent pete williams, thank you very much for being on with us this
morning. so max boots column in "the washington post" is entitled "the supreme court rules represent the tyranny of the minority." it is a big point we've been making this morning. it reads in part, quote, everyone knows that the founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. that is why they built so many checks and balances into the constitution. what's left well-known is that they were also afraid of the tyranny of the minority. that is why they scrapped the articles of confederation which required agreement from nine of 13 states to pass any laws and enacted a constitution with much stronger executive authority. we are living undermine ort tear onny with smaller states imposing their views on the larger through their disproportionate sway of the senate and the electoral college and therefore the supreme court.
21 states with fewer total people than california have 42 senate seats. this undemocratic unjust system has produced a new supreme court rulings on gun control and abortion. if the supreme court is going to be a forum for legislating, shouldn't it respect the views of two-thirds of the country. but our perverse political system has allowed a militant right-wing minority to hijack the law. as a economist points out, five of the six conservative supreme court justices were appointed by a republican senate majority that won fewer votes than the democrats and three of the six were nominated by a president who also won a minority of the popular vote. it is a problem, joe. >> well i mean, let's just look at some numbers here and let me just say again, i remain an
optimist. i've seen time and again how our government does in time figure out how to self-correct. and what we're seeing in this 21st century, in this new century not quite so new century in a we're in right now has been askewing of our electoral system that has skewed towards a minority controlling the overwhelming numbers. 6%, 6% that is the number of americans would are opposed to universal background checks for purchases of all firearms. 6%. and yet the 90% who want it ignored by the republican senate and the republican house, and republican state legislators. let me give you another number.
30%. only 30% of americans, pete was right, millions are certainly pleased at the decision on friday. it has been the culmination of a 50-year fight. a 49-year fight for many americans. but they're 30% of the electorate. for years a majority of americans have wanted to keep basic reproductive rights that were protected through roe v. wade. that is now thrown out of the window. as max brings up in his op-ed, another number, 1996, that the last time that republicans elected to the united states senate had a majority share of the vote of americans. they've been in the minority since 1996 as far as total popular vote goes. and yet they dominated the legislators, the legislation,
they domib ating the senate and of course they've dominated the united states supreme court. despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of americans in many cases voted democratic those years. they took control of the senate. and finally, the final number we leave with you is 1. 1. that is the number of times since 1992, that is the number of times over 30 years that a republican presidential candidate has received the majority of america's votes. one person, one vote, not even close. that is just not who we are as a country any more. and we haven't been that way in the 21st century. so, again, i expect there have been reforms throughout american history, i suspect at some point that the overwhelming majority
of americans are going to figure out a way to fix some of the defects, through constitutional amendment or maybe national majority vote movement which certainly had a compact of many states not so long ago. we'll see what happens, mika. but max is right. right now, in the united states of america, the will of the majority of americans, even when it is overwhelming, just doesn't matter to the republican party. >> that is correct. >> and that means it doesn't matter to washington. >> no, it doesn't. joining us now, democratic governor j.b. pritzker of illinois. thank you for being on the show this morning. a lot of different angles to talk to you about. but let's talk about the women that may be coming to your state. are there preparations, how will you accommodate the fact that there might be people crossing state lines now to receive the
care they need. >> well, you're right. we're going to see potentially ten to 20,000 more women crossing state lines. we already saw 10,000 last year. to exercise their reproductive rights. and we've been preparing for this. we're going to have a special session shortly to look at how we can expand capacity in our state, for example, we need more health care workers and we could extend the ability to perform these procedures to advanced nurse practitioners, as has been done in other states. and of course, expanding the facilities that exist in our state. we have a number of clinics that are near the borders of illinois and that is where those women will be coming to. you know, we came to this issue five years ago when we removed our trigger laws. the women in our state legislature led that effort and we did that several years ago in
anticipation of this terrible day. and then right after i got elected we passed the reproductive health act which guarantees a woman's right to cluz in our state. so we are ready. we're getting ready for many more women. we believe that people have a right that has been taken away but that we'll guarantee in the state of illinois. >> is there anything you think other states should be doing who also are in the situation where they preserve the right to make it safe for women. i'm feeling extremely concerned for women who are in this position who need these services being discriminated against or perhaps even, you know, arrested or whatever could happen as they are trying to leave their states. >> well, as you know, there are laws that have been passed in other states that would hold people criminally or civilly liable for assisting people who
are seeking to exercise their reproductive health rights. and connecticut for example passed a law that would fight back against that. we're looking at that here in the state of illinois. we need to protect them in that way. we need to make sure that people are secure, literally physically secure, as they come to the clinics and the people that work in our clinics secure. there is a great deal more that we could do and of course i encourage states that can pass a reproductive health act to do so. but we're at the moment looking at at least in illinois nearly every state around us, we have five states bordering us, four of them have trigger laws that have gone into effect and the fifth one, indiana, is about to outlaw abortion. so, this is serious. and it is dividing the country. this supreme court has done something that i never thought in my 57 years on this earth would happen, which is a reduction of rights.
every year, every decade there has been an expansion of rights of our citizens. now a reduction. i've been fighting for a woman's right to choose my entire life. my mother got me involved in this back in the '70s as a kid. and i really believe that there is a danger in this nation of not just a removal of reproductive rights, but lgbtq rights an a woman's right to birth control and decide when these she's going to have a child. these are things on the ballot in 2022. we have to elect pro-choice supreme court judges like here in illinois. >> agreed. democratic governor j.b. pritzker of illinois, thank you for coming on the show this morning. we're going to have much more on the reaction to the supreme court ruling overturning roe v. wade including how some businesses, joe, are taking action to make sure their
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we have to make sure we have this -- all us staying together. can you work on the economic challenges we face. but i think we could get through all of this. we'll come out stronger. >> that was president biden with germany's chancellor at the g7 summit yesterday as he tried to keep the west united. president is overseas right now for two key summits with world leaders. it comes as the u.s. and europe aim to reaffirm their commitment to help ukraine fend offer the russian invasion. ukrainian president zelenskyy addressed the g7 earlier by
video today to thank them for their support. and nato secretary general jens stoltenberg announced a massive military buildup this morning with its readiness forces now topping 300,000. we also just learned that the u.s. is planning to provide a medium to long-range missile system for ukraine. but with turmoil at home after roe v. wade was overturned, this headline from our own jonathan lemire said it all. storm clouds at home, dampen biden's return to europe. joining us now from the white house, white house reporter and "morning joe" senior contributor eugene daniels. how is the white house navigating these storm clouds. >> reporter: first you have president biden in europe this week. he is biggest focus that he's talked about is keeping this alliance together. he's worked on it. gotten high marks from democrats and republicans for his ability
to do so. but now it is a little bit harder. because you have to keep this alliance together. and as we see in just not effecting people here and oil and gas prices, not just effecting people here but all around the world and in these european countries that he's speaking with this week, he has to convince them that it continues to be worth it and his message is we have to stop russia from doing this to ukraine and so they won't do it again and so china won't do things like this in this type of aggression. and what we're seeing here in the united states even while president biden is announcing new aid in congress, there is some cracks starting to show. you have some trump allies in there saying it is irresponsible to continue to give money to ukraine, continue to give aid to ukraine. and that even some progressives who are suggesting that they won't sign on to another aid package unless the pentagon can prove that the weapons where
they are going and tracking them. so there is a lot of moving parts here but president biden's main goal is stick together, stay the course and that is what we're going to continue to see from that the white house on that issue. >> all right. "morning joe" senior contributor eugene daniels, thank you very much. and up next, from dick's sporting goods to apple, a slew of companies announcing benefits for their female employees to make sure that they could continue to get the care they need. but what other fallout could the corporate world see from friday's landmark ruling. also ahead, new polling shows just how unpopular the supreme court's decision was. but will the anger turn into votes? that is coming up when "morning joe" returns. joe" returns
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in the business world, companies are bracing for a political and social battle unlike anything in our lifetimes. with most keeping quiet after the ruling came down. and some speaking out about their health care policies. but not criticizing the decision itself. on friday, several companies said they would cover employee travel expenses for abortions including companies such as macy's, goldman sacks and dick's sporting goods and they join starbucks and google and jp morgan who said they would do the same as the court's draft opinion leaked this year. joining us now from the aspen ideas festival, columnist for "the new york times" and co-anchor of squawk box, andrew ross sorkin with another beautiful back ground. andrew, how is wall street grappling with friday's decision?
>> look, this is been one of the decisions that has just ripped through the business community. it is a conversation as we're all having around dinner tables often on slack channels an zoom meetings and in the office to the extent that people are in offices working from home and the like. and within the big corporate world, clearly people are coming out with notes and memos that are suggestive of what they hope to be able to do in terms of paying for abortions for those who are unable to do it in those state where's the trigger laws are in effect. having said that, and you pointed it out, in virtually every statement, none of them, or virtually none of them criticized the decision itself. nor do they actually even discuss the decision. they just suggest in a almost obtuse way these new policies. the other piece of this that is actually fascinating though is we're talking about a lot of the biggest companies in america
that are making these decisions that are willing to make these payments to help their employees. the real challenge is going to be for the smaller companies that can't afford to do this. and for the employees of those companies that are unable to get access that way. and so there is going to be a tale of two worlds. if you work for a fortune 500 company in america today, you very well may get this type of health care as a benefit. smaller companies may not. there is also lawyers that have most of the big companies that are working through the issues have them worried about certain states that could take adverse action against them either legally or politically. there is a pana plea of conversations taking place and i want to though out one other big conversation that is not happening publicly but is happening privately, that some of the big companies in america, walmart, exxon and citigroup and at&t were corporate backers and made financial donations to the
politicians in states that put those trigger law news effect. so we have now companies on one end that are paying the cost of their own political moves on the other end and i think that is probably going to be the next part of the larger debate in corporate america. >> and how fascinating, andrew. you have a lot of fairly progressive companies in say silicon valley and in california just fed up with the high taxes, the overwhelming regulations. and so they move to texas or for better economic, better economic climate for lower taxes, for less regulations. more ability to turn an even bigger profit. and yet any they're faced with a cross current of this new brand of conservatism that would require women working in their companies who are raped to have
a state sanctioned birth. >> right. >> my gosh, that is going to cause some complications, is it not? >> well, look, think about a firm like goldman sachs on the east coast, relatively progressive in terms of what their social policies are and yet they have a huge office in the state of utah in salt lake city. you're seeing as you said, a lot of companies that have come to texas, specifically austin and then a whole other group that have gone to florida for tax purposes and the like. the one thing that i would say and i ask the question over the weekend to ceo's about this, would you leave the state, where the trigger laws are in effect and the answer is no. the view is that this is, dare i say, a cost of doing business. and i would -- i have to admit, disappointed that there was no -- nobody that i spoke to over the weekend who said, you know what, we have a moral issue about this and even when they did have moral issues about
this, and that that would rule the day. >> andrew ross sorkin, thank you once again for your insight. up next, no supreme court decision is made in a vacuum. gerrymanders state elections giving outside power to the minority and could that spell trouble for everything from gay rights to birth control? plus new reporting that former president trump is worried that this ruling could hurt republicans. that is all next when "morning joe" returns. s all next when "mg s all next when "mg joe" returns discover is accepted at 99% of places in the u.s. ["only wanna be with you" by hootie & the blowfish]
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worse. just 16% of women say it will make their lives better. >> well 16% for republicans, that is like a landslide compared to where they are on gun legislation and roe. >> when broken down by party, a majority of republicans approve of the ruling. 78%. 83% of democrats disapprove. a majority of independents, 62% also disapprove. former president trump was quick to publicly praise friday's ruling. but "the new york times" reports that the former president privately told friends and advisers the ruling will be, quote, bad for republicans. according to the times, when a draft copy of the decision leaked in may, mr. trump began telling friends and advisers that it would anger suburban women, a group who helped give the race to biden an would lead to a backlash against republicans in the november midterm elections. >> you know, reverend al, i
don't want to say trump is right. but his political analysis is pretty spot on. >> well it doesn't take much. >> because science joe biden won, what are we even talking about? we're talking about the suburbs of northern atlanta, we're talking about philly suburbs. we're looking at some suburban voters in michigan and in wisconsin. so this is, i mean it is really bad news politically, we haven't talked about the politics of this yet this morning but it is really bad news for republicans and their weakest areas. and john della volpy tweeted between may and june, there has been a 10-point generic swing to democrats, independents are shifting to democrats and gen z are correcting and democrats, we've talked about this, democrats who haven't been thrilled with what their party
has been doing in washington, haven't been thrilled with everything that joe biden is doing, these polls show at least on the generic ballot, their coming home. quite a drat -- dram attic shift. i think it will increase the intensity of that. >> i think it will increase the intensity and it will give a message for the democrats that did not have a message and i think in some of the areas in terms of local state seats, that you not see a lot of democrats say i don't know if i could challenge people. they now have something they could go in and build a base on given this decision. and you and i, joe, have known donald trump. no one that knew donald trump, whether we liked him or not and i never really trusted him, but no one felt he really was
pro-life, that he was always pro-choice. in social settings and all of that. he was just playing a role with the christian right and the far right to get their votes and get their base to get elected. now he's like, wait a minute, don't really do this, because he understands better than anybody that is going to hurt them. and he's not immoral, he's amoral. he does what he thinks will win and he knows this is not a winner for them. the republicans seemingly had a steam roller for the midterm elections. that is been slowed down by this decision and donald trump knows that. >> well joining us now, co-founder and ceo of the group all in together, lauren leader. also with us university of california davis law professor mary ziegler, the author of dollars for life, the anti-abortion movement and the fall of the republican
establishment. it is really good to have you both. lauren, i'll start with you. just your reaction to the news that broke early friday morning? >> well i think like a lot of americans, there is a sort of shock and grief. it is very painful even though we knew this was coming to see just how far the court was willing to go to over turn a 50-year precedent. when the opinion was leaked, it is the first time certainly in my lifetime that we've seen a revocation of individual rights an the irony of it coming on the heel of this broad interpretation of gun rights. so the sort of hypocrisy of it, i've talked to women all over the country, there is a lot of disbelief but this overwhelming sense of what now. and how do regroup. and i think on the left, this is going to be, without a question, an enormously galvanizing issue.
i think joe is right for sure about independent women. and i believe that over the long-term even among those who are pro-life, as the impact of this ruling begins to effect things like ivf, and potentially ultimately access to birth control, there are many bridges that will be too far even for those who may take a moral position on abortion and on life. and that is going to spell, i think ultimately, big trouble for the republican party and in electoral politics. >> and professor ziegler, this isn't the end of where conservatives want to go on this issue. i say conservatives. i'm sorry. radicals want to go on this issue. this is just the beginning. i mean, what is next? well we've already been told what is next. a federal ban of abortion being passed through congress. what is next? justice thomas told us what is next. they're going after
contraceptives and marriage equality next, they're going after even what adults, concepting adults do in their privacy of their own bedrooms next. explain where this goes from here? >> well first thing to remember is that for the anti-abortion movement, a person who had the idea of a nation is always the gome. roe v. wade was a stop on the road. so we've seen republicans in congress and say they're going to pass a ban at six weeks and it is fair to say that is not going to satisfy people in the anti-abortion movement either. they want a ban in blue states, they would ideally like the same conservative supreme courts to come back and say that abortion itself is unconstitutional, the right to expand the rights of fetuses or unborn children in the womb at the expense of pregnancy. and of course, as clarence thomas points out, the court's opinion, that our rights are limited by the peep who are in office who wrote the 14th amendment thought was only a
pretty select group of white men. and if those are the only rights, the right to same-sex marriage, that would have a right to any intermassey or racial marriage or birth control, because nobody thought we had those rights in the 19th century. so the only thin standing the in way of that is if the supreme court is making policy decisions and we know the disclaimers like the one brett kavanaugh gave in his concurring opinion or samuel alito in his opinion, have an expiration date. the supreme court doesn't immediately act against guarantees but they've done it plenty of times and so if we're looking five or ten years down the road, i think we have to worry about all of those rights. >> lauren. you then are looking at the fact that in some areas, and in red states that a lot of the local state legislatures, republican were not even challenged.
do you think this decision and the threat of it going further, contraception, lgbtq rights, whatever, will now make some democrats go after some of the state seats and have a rational even to win some where they were unchallenged in the past? >> yeah. we've talked about this on the show before. that the democratic party is largely not focused on state races, it is not had the kind of long-term strategy that republicans have to pack state legislatures even beyond what is representing the majority or the representation across political party lines in those states. and in the 2022 session of florida legislature was seated with only a quarter of the seats facing zero, zero democratic candidates fielded against them. the texas state legislature in 2020 had dozens of seats that no one ran against. so, look, i think this has to be a very serious wake-up call. the republican agenda in this has always been to send issue
after issue back to the states. that is the core of this federalalist views that all things must be decided by the individual states and not at federal level. well if that is the world we're now playing in, democrats are going to have to step up and be seriously ready to play in those states we havewomen. all they want to do is find who the state candidates that are pro-choice running against pro-life candidates. there's no one place to get that information. it's time for a serious realignment across the party politics. we got to go after those seats if we want to keep progressive agenda from gay marriage to birth control to everything else. it will require a long term commitment to state legislatures that hasn't been there. >> yeah. ceo of all in together and activist learn later. thank you very much. and university of california davis professor. we have news for the first
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now we have breaking news. new video just in of american basketball star brittney griner appearing in court. the 31-year-old was arrested on drug charges more than four months ago at a moscow airport after a search of her luggage found vape cartridges containing oil derived from cannibas. the phoenix mercury star could face ten years in prison in convicted on charges of large scale transportation of drugs. a trial date has been set for this friday. we'll stay on that as we close out the show here for final thoughts. joe. >> we will. i want to say a word about a dear friend of mine whose life
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good morning. 10:00 a.m. eastern. 7:00 a.m. pacific. we're awaiting cases from the supreme court. just seven sessions to go that will decide whether a controversial trump era rule will stay in effect as the fall out continues from friday's historic ruling, the overturning of roe versus wade. a look at the legal battles ahead. we have