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we are coming on the air, everybody, with some big news in washington in particular. the house january 6th committee calling a last-minute public hearing set for less than 24 hours from now, with members saying they will present new evidence and hear testimony from one witness, our team live on the ground with everything that we know. all this hour. the latest in the fight over access to abortion right now. we're following a slew of lawsuits aimed at blocking state bans going into effect, causing place where is the procedure is illegal to be changing by the hour, with new reporting about action the white house is expected to take following the supreme court decision. plus, what the president is now planning to send to ukraine, as russia appears to step up their attacks on the country, including new targets in the
capital city of kyiv. good afternoon, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for hallie jackson. i want to get right to capitol hill with our reporters. and we're joined by former alabama senator doug jones. so bring us up to date as to what we know as we learn about this emergency testimony we'll be hearing tomorrow. >> reporter: yasmin, it's fair to say we have more questions than answers. in will be a hearing tomorrow afternoon at 1:00 p.m. which they will present evidence and witness testimony. they don't elaborate who this witness is, why it's so significant that they're rushing it, why they are bringing the committee back from a planned recess to hold this hearing and
get this information out. we don't know the answer to those questions. that's why it's -- that's why it seems a significant departure from the committee's protocol which they announce the witnesses well in advance. a source telling our colleagues that new evidence is coming to light on an almost daily basis. that they had planned working this week in preparation for the final two hearings after the recess. the fact that they're holding this unplanned hearing means that we can deduce that there will be a lot of significance to the hearing. beyond that, we can only speculate on what that would be. i will say, on the politics of it, let's put some numbers up on the screen from a recent cbs poll. 50% of americans say former president trump tried to stay in office through illegal means. 30% say he tried to stay in office legal. another 20% say he did not even plan to stay in office. the poll found that 46% of
americans believe this committee should charge then president trump with crimes. that's 15 points more than those who say he should not be charged. 23% say the committee should not make a recommendation, that should be up to the justice department. we'll find out what the committee presents tomorrow, but this is an unplanned hearing right now. >> so let's pick up there. how unusual is this, especially when you have lawmakers leaving for the fourth of july recess. we know they like their time off. but then to be called back for this emergency testimony. >> reporter: yeah. well, yasmin, this committee has not functioned like normal congressional committees. normal congressional committees don't try to present their information in a two-hour time block. most committees don't hire a professional television producer to get their hearings together. and also something that's different with this hearing is
that they are continuing this investigation as this very public facing front of their investigation -- their hearings are moving forward. so these public hearings were not an end of the investigation. they have made very clear that the investigation is still ongoing. that became clear when just last week we learned that there was an entire documentary that the committee did not know about until right after the first committee hearing, when that documentaryian, who was wit donald trump and all his top advisers for a couple months after the election, came to the committee and said he has a lot of information. and so that is just one instance where a change in plans and new information has derailed or i should. say derailed but redirected the committee. because they had to postpone some things to go through this new evidence. and it looks like that happened yet again. so it's just another reminder
that this committee is continuing to investigate, and they have reams and reams of information, and they're very aware of how they present it, the timing that they present it, and also who these witnesses are. they're not just bringing any witnesses, but extremely important witnesses, who add to the storyline, yasmin. >> that's especially accurate, considering the fact that when you look at what could feasibly come tomorrow and what has been coming until now and how it's been so calculated, it seems kind of telling this story throughout. nothing has really been underestimated with it all. that something big must, in fact, be in the pipeline tomorrow considering how this committee has planned everything out. senator, let's get into some of this stuff. kind of the urgency of the legality of all of this, the path forward for the doj if they choose to prosecute, why, and when, and the urgency of the
politics surrounding the investigation that the committee is carrying out. let's talk about the legality part of this whole thing. why call back folks before the fourth of july holiday? what does that say to you about the urgency with regards to the legality? >> well, i think there's a couple things to keep in mind here. i think the committee, to some extent, does not want to lose momentum. they have built tremendous momentum with the public over the last few weeks. if they were to take off two or three weeks to assimilate things, you lose a little bit of that. the second thing is that it's not unusual for hearings like this, these kind of investigative hearings, as well as grand jury type work. whenever you see witnesses coming forward, and a story being told in a much greater detail than you have heard before, it prompts people to come forward. there are likely people out
there concerned about their own culpability, that did not see that at the time, that they might have a small role in something. but all of a sudden their role is fitting into something much bigger, so they see potential culpability for themselves. they also see that others are coming forward and it's okay. this is something that needs to be out there and needs to be done. i think it's a combination of the momentum that the committee has built. i am not surprised a bit that these public hearings have generated a lot more evidence for the committee, that they want to get out in front of the public as quickly as possible. >> i hear you on the momentum part. why make it an emergency session? why not have it planned before hand? are you talking more political momentum here? >> there is a combination of political momentum, but the work of the committee. they decided to wait until after the recess.
but clearly, there is something that came up. i would not be surprised that if we don't see something tomorrow, that can has just really popped up that they felt like needs to be out -- >> but why? take us inside that room, if you can, senator. i know it's hard, but you've been inside a lot of these hearings. i don't want anybody to be guessing as to what it is that we could feasibly be hearing tomorrow, but my question is, why is it that they feel as if something is so incredibly important that it must be heard by the american public, not only the american public by the justice department tomorrow tomorrow versus after the fourth of july holiday? >> they're going to be gone for a couple of weeks. so you'll just hear it about the media. something has come up, probably since the last hearing or at least in the last two hearings. you heard some really important testimony in these last two hearings from former justice
department officials, from others that were just right there in the know. something has come up. i think there is -- they felt they needed to build on what they did last week before they break and completely dart for a couple of weeks. and that, i think, is really important for these committees to keep this rolling. this is not something that they can lose momentum. i don't think can anybody should underestimate the way they have done it. so i think can it is part of that going into the july fourth recess. something to give people something to talk about. and potentially anticipate for the next hearing. >> so with that in mind, i'll pick up where the senator left off, which is we have tomorrow this emergency session, this two-hour testimony, we don't know who, and we don't know what will be shown. we don't know what we will be hearing with that testimony. beyond that, what are we going
to hear when it comes to these public testimonies? >> reporter: it indicates something has changed for this committee since last week when the chairman indicated that the committee would postpone the remainder of its hearings until later in can july. that this is a departure from what he said last week. between then and now, it appears as doug jones indicated that something has come to their attention that they want to do this hearing tomorrow. as for the final hearings, we know there are at least two more that are expected to take place, the committee members have said they will cover the run-up to january 6th, the marshaling of the mob, the attack on the capitol, and the final hearing, according to committee member adam schiff, will kov whatever -- cover what the president did and didn't do on that day. he described this as a dereliction of duty on the part of president trump. the operating thesis here, their conclusion is that donald trump knew he lost the election, he
used a mixture of lies and pressure on state officials, on justice department officials to overturn that result, and they're going to try to present as vivid a picture as possible about what he did and didn't do. this is their conclusion based on what they believe they have gathered. and the closing argument is that trump knew what was going on and he purposefully used deception and marshalled this mob to stay in power. >> thank you all for being here. a lot more ahead. new reporting on how the white house plans to expand abortion access this week. and later on, the legal battle in utah to block the state's trigger ban. and plus new reaction to today's decision from the supreme court ruling a high school football coach did have a right to pray on the 50 yard line. we'll be right back. we'll be right back.
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welcome back, everybody. the fight for access to abortion services in the united states changing by the hour. nbc news reporting right now that the procedure is illegal or restricted in at least 11 states that. is down one after just this afternoon, a judge put louisiana's trigger law on hold. new details on just what the white house could do to secure access to reproductive care, with one official telling our team to expect announcements from several agencies this week. i want to bring in josh letterman and morgan radford. josh, i know we're hearing a new plan under the biden administration to provide abortion access across the board. what are we learning? >> reporter: the white house does not dispute the fact that their options are very limited, yasmin. the president said he can't sign an executive order to restore a
right that the supreme court has said is not in the constitution. a white house official tells us they will continue throughout this week to be a drumbeat of announcements as they work to ensure as much access as many people to abortion services as possible. so we already saw the president to take action for the justice department to facilitate the legal ability for women to cross state lines for abortions, directing the fda and hhs to do what they can to assure broad access to abortion medication. and just today, we saw the secretaries of health and human services, the treasury, and the labor department putting out a letter to insurance companying saying don't get any ideas in the wake of this decision you can stop providing contraceptive care to people. that is something under obamacare, the affordable care act, is required by law at no
cost. we know that some of the secretaries met with those insurance companies today to remind them of those obligations. so the efforts now from the administration focused on ensuring that other rights are not infringed upon by states that may want to act on what the supreme court did to further restrict abortion in their states. many states are going ahead with that any way, but the administration searching for what they can do on the emergenciens while acknowledging it's going to be up to the voters, electing more lawmakers to put something bake into law to protect the ability for people across the country to seek abortion care, yasmin. >> so let's talk about florida specifically. feasibly, it could become a safe haven zone for folks lives in other parts of the country. you're looking at a 15-week abortion ban set to take place there. both sides were in court over
just this. where does that stand? and with that, talk to us about what you've been hearing from latino voters there in miami-dade, especially considering now black and brown women are predominantly the women affected by issues like this one. >> reporter: you're absolutely right, yasmin. here in florida, it's been a busy day to say the least. about two months ago, the governor signed into law a ban that would ban abortions 15 weeks and beyond, effectively. and the aclu stepped in and tried to can issue a temporary injunction. they believe they will have a response by next week, because that injunction would have to go into effect before july 1st, which is when the ban is scheduled to go into effect. but this is something that is playing out politically and personally, especially in a swing state like florida. in miami-dade county, i'm standing in front of a planned parenthood. this is a county that 70% is latino.
latinos are the largest non-white voting bloc in the entire country. so this is a really important issue. i want to let you hear from people that are apolitical. the first person is someone who is an abortion rights advocate. they say that the bottom line is they were gutted when they heard that the supreme court decided to overturn roe v. wade. they said they do believe and this will activate another voting bloc. take a listen. >> we're seeing a surge in interest from people in our community who want to get involved, who want to join the fight, who are ready. not just to take it to the streets, to rallies and protests like we saw this weekend all over the country. but also to lobby their lawmakers. >> i think that the economy,
education, and safety, we want to live in safe neighborhoods. these are the three mainish shoes hispanics are taking into consideration when they want to vote. i don't think that abortion or gun control have anything to do with those three most important things. >> reporter: to be clear, as you mentioned, this is a personal issue for a lot of women and families. latina women have about twice the race of unintended preg than sis compared to white counterparts. and latinos, being overrepresented among underinsured people. so it will be very interesting to see how this plays out in the midterms. >> thank you. good to see you. lots happening in the supreme court over the last couple of days. new reaction to yet another supreme court decision coming out, ruling 6-3 in favor of a washington state high school
football coach who said he had a right to pray on the field. we want to bring in pete williams, who is following this. so my big question is, what this means on a bigger scale as we look at this decision. >> sure. what the decision said. this is a victory. he was a former assistant football coach in high school, a high school coach in california. he made it a practice of praying on the 50 yard line after games. the school district told him to pray more privately, because those public demonstrations made it look like the school endorsed his religious views. but the court said today the school was wrong. it said even though the coach, whose name is joseph kennedy, was still in uniform with some team members still on the field, it said he was acting in a private capacity, not as a school district employee, and therefore, was protected by both his own freedom of expression
and freedom of religion. this opinion was written by neil gorsuch. he says the constitution requires respect and tolerance for religious and non-religious views. the three liberal discenters said his prayer was anything but private. so to answer your question, this is a further erosion of the separation of church and state. but it doesn't appear it opens the door to teacher-led prayer in the classroom, because the court said what is distinctive about what coach kennedy did is he was not acting in his official duty when he did these prayers. >> pete williams, thank you. appreciate it. coming up next, everybody, what we are learning about the missile strike that hit a crowded shopping mall in ukraine today. we are live in kyiv, coming up next. live in kyiv, coming up live in kyiv, coming up next literally right before this. (vo) now everyone can get a new iphone 13 on us on america's most reliable 5g network. for every customer. current, new, everyone. to show the love.
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welcome back, everybody. ukraine's president joining g7 leaders today in europe and getting a big boost in support from the u.s. the president announcing plans to send a new missile defense system to ukraine in their war against russia. administration officials telling nbc the purchase of that system will be announced this week
sometime. inside of ukraine, there are new rounds of attacks of russian violence, including the first missile strikes on the capital city of kyiv in weeks. president zelenskyy saying a shopping mall was hit there, seeing images of that there. it's estimated about 1,000 people were inside at the time. joining me now is kelly o'donnell, two is traveling with the president. and alison barber who is in kyiv. kelly, the promise is being made by the united states to ukraine. what exactly are they? >> reporter: well, senior officials have been telling us about these new packages of military equipment that will address some of the concerns playing out in a very real way, and that we have seen in recent days happening in ukraine, where there have been russian attacks on civilian residences like the apartment building and shopping center. places that have been hit by
longer range missiles. this will be a system that the ukrainians could use to defend against that. they've been asking for it for some time. and the u.s. is prepared to provide that for a long and short-range missile defenses. and they will also provide additional radar and different munitions. this is a new piece of equipment package in what has been a flow of military support. and officials have confirmed that to us. we do expect a more formal announcement from the president as these meetings go on with the g7 leaders and nato will follow along in spain. and the g7 leaders are also talking about the kinds of things that ukraine needs. support financially so that ukraine can pay its own bills and keep its own operations, defenses there of -- in terms of military. humanitarian help, as well.
we expect there will be announcements about fortifying of the rapid response force of nato forces that are not inside ukraine, but are in the countries along the border that are members of nato. so there are a lot of ways that the leaders involved no these two summits can try to support ukraine. one of the concerns that zelenskyy has expressed, a lot of money and emergency has been spent on this war, would there be a resistance to do more? especially since the europeans have seen their energy prices go up, and would there by in pushback on doing more. at this point, the leaders are saying they will do what it takes to support the people of ukraine. yasmin? >> at this point, but a valid concern there, as many of us are asking that question as well here inside the united states as we look at our inflation and gas
prices, as well, and the way it's affecting the american people. let's pick up on something that kelly talked about there briefly, which is this increased attacks we're seeing on these residential areas inside kyiv. specifically, the capital city had been off-limits for quite some time. and now again we are seeing this attack on this mall, possibly 1,000 people inside. what are you learning? >> reporter: yeah. so in terms of that shopping mall, we understand that at least two rockets hit it this afternoon. this is located in kind of a central, eastern part of ukraine. reportedly, at least 11,000 civilians were inside this shopping mall when the walls started to collapse around them. you could see in video from the scene just hundreds of people fleeing out as the building was engulfed in flames. right now we know at least 40 people have been injured in this attack, at least ten are dead.
it's possible that those numbers are going to increase as the hours pass. right now, search and rescue teams are still on the ground, searching through the rubble, looking for people. and it's 10:30 here. there is still a heavy presence here of people going through this and seeing if they can locate anyone else. this area, according to president zelenskyy, he says there was no strategic or military reason for this shopping mall to be hit. he says that you just have people inside there enjoying their afternoon, just trying to live a normal life when they came under fire here. again, search and rescue efforts still underway. 40 people injured, 10 dead. we're waiting for additional updates to see if those numbers might change. this area was hit. an oil refinery was hit by missiles in may and june. the oil refinery is no longer operable because of those strikes. it was the largest oil producer
in ukraine. this area, the city is sort of an industrial area and a central transportation hub for this part of ukraine. there's a very important and busy train station here. we're waiting to get more information on what is happening there. again, search and rescue efforts continue, at least 1,000 people said to be inside. it comes on the heels of missile strikes here in kyiv that targeted a number of civilian infrastructures, residential apartment buildings, killing one, injuring four others, including that man's 7-year-old daughter. >> the images are just startling and shocking. ellison, thank you. kelly o, thank you, as well. coming up next, everybody, a look at the journey across state lines to get access to abortion care. i travelled with a group of women from texas to new mexico. their stories are coming up next. their stories are coming up their stories are coming up next
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so here's a look at some of the other top stories we're following about now. the state department saying today they are continuing to push for the release of american brittney griner from russia. this happening as the wnba star was in a russian court earlier today. officials set a trial date for july 1st. she's been detained for more than months, allegedly for possessing cannabis oil in a russian airport. back in the united states, nbc news reporting that every branch of the military is struggling to meet recruitment goals, citing record lows of eligible americans, as well as those considering enlisting. one military official claiming recruitment is hard because more young adults are worried of long-term physical and emotional harm. the united states will resume indirect talks with iran for a nuclear deal. the talks were delayed after iran demanded an islamic group be removed from the list of terrorist organizations.
so as it stands right now, if we're looking at a map, there are 11 states that have banned or restricted abortion. you can see on your screen, most of the states are in the deep south, mississippi, arkansas, texas, as well. women there right now, they have to travel hundreds of miles across state lines to access the care that they need. i went to texas just about ten days ago. i flew with a group of women from texas and new mexico and journeyed across state lines. this included witnessing an abortion by oral medication. this is a journey that will be the reality for so many more in the state where abortions will be banned. here's their story. it's early in the morning, and 20 young women meet at a church in texas, for one reason. they will travel to new mexico and get an abortion. >> i can't do this, i can't put
another kid what the other two are going through. >> it's not an option right now. not for me, not for him. >> today, what happens is you get to make a choice about your life. >> reporter: the new mexico religious coalition for reproductive choice, and the first unitarian church of dallas. >> adios. >> reporter: -- are helping these young women leave texas, a state with one of the most restrictive abortion laws in the nation. >> we're arriving at the airport here in dallas. this is just the first leg of a very long day for so many of these women. >> we're about to make it law. >> reporter: texas has banned the medical procedure after six weeks. now with federal protection for apportion rights gone, traveling across state lines will be the reality for so many women. >> i want to get it done, but it's also like, i have to go to albuquerque to get this done. >> see thing as a major victory,
hoping to institute similar laws with the overturn of roe. on this trip, all of the women are below the poverty line and 6 to 11 weeks pregnant. and without help, would not be able to make this journey. only these two wanted to be filmed using first names. and sally asked not to use her real name. how do you feel like one leg down, you're now here. >> it's almost over. it's just a little bizarre that you've got to come all the way out here. >> reporter: dr. curtis boyd started this clinic in new mexico and another in dallas. he's one of the oldest abortion doctors in the country and is determined to make sure these women have a way out. >> you may swallow that with some water.
now, what i must tell you is that's it. >> make it your choice, but make it reasonable and wise. >> this is a decision that these women are making according to their own faith and values. it's our duty as a faith-rooted organization to trust what we have heard from god and support it. >> reporter: half of the came across state lines. the other half, for a medical procedure. >> you have women out there raped. you have women out there they don't have anybody or did wit the wrong person, or they're just not ready. you can't make women be ready for taking care of kids, because that's like a huge step.
>> reporter: the church where these women began their journey, fought for abortion rights before roe, helped roe v. wade to the supreme court, and is now fighting the texas law. >> we are going to see a public health crisis in this country. but a lot of people don't want to think about it, because they don't think it affects them. but what affects one, affects the other. and this is where our faith also comes back in to play. what i see ashuman life in front of me. that's what is important. >> i spoke to her friday after the supreme court decision dropped. she said this is going to increase the number of illegal abortions happening. the women that are desperate to seek out these services. i want to bring in utah planned parenthood president carry galaway. we appreciate you joining us. let's talk about what is happening in your state. i know a judge has granted an emergency hearing to temporarily
block the trigger law in place in utah. what do you make of snit >> well, it happened about an hour and a half. planned parenthood filed suit because right now, utah politicians have control over women's bodies. the women you went to new mexico with, yasmin, speak for women of utah who are waiting in our waiting rooms trying to get an abortion, that they made an appointment for a week, ten days ago. and it is hard to say to them i'm sorry, it's no longer your decision. there's no longer bodily autonomy for you to make your reproductive health decisions. and that's why planned parenthood has phone to court in hopes to stay this trigger ban here in utah, and allow women to complete their plans for their
future, and hopefully look at whether this is the way utah wants to conduct business. >> you mentioned in your lawsuit 3,000 women in the state of utah will not be able to gape access to abortion services if, in fact, it is outlawed in that state. take a look at what happened in louisiana. the trigger ban was blocked by a similar lawsuit. do you think there is a real path forward with this that it could actually work? >> i'm hoping, yasmin. utah constitution is more adamant than the national constitution, equality between men and women's rights. and with the enforcement of this trigger ban, women are disadvantaged. they no longer have personal body autonomy for their reproductive health care. the politicians are in control. and that's what we're fighting
for, women and pregnant people to make their own reproductive health decisions. >> tell me what friday was like for you, what was friday like for the planned parenthood clinics in utah as women sat in that waiting room for abortions that they could then not get? >> friday we were able to complete in our free health centers the abortions that were scheduled, because the state had to certify that their language matched the language of the supreme court. it was 6:00 friday night that abortion became illegal in utah. so saturday, our staff had to go into work and tell people they no longer can make their own decisions. it was heartbreaking for them. staff come to work to help people, not to tell them they can't make their own decisions about their health care. and so the same happened today.
if we get this tro later this afternoon, we will resume procedures, and we will be able to start scheduling procedures while this court case goes through the system. >> what is your plan for these women that are waiting right now, that need abortions now, that need abortion access now? where are you sending them? >> right now, we can send them to the national app, abortionfinder.org to see if they can get an appointment. this is about seven hours from the salt lake city area to get to vegas or to colorado, to be able to get an abortion. they can wait and see if we get our tro. we will then resume abortions. women will have to make decisions about that on their own. the majority of women who come
to planned parenthood are already parents. they know the decision they're making. the majority do not have health insurance. if forced to carry a pregnancy to term, they will be on their own. the state is not offering to help. they are only taking control of women's decisions. >> carrie galaway, please stay in touch with us as this progresses in your state alongside planned parenthood. we would love to talk to you again. thank you. >> thank you for your interest. i want to point out that the utah attorney general declined to comment on this lawsuit. we reached out to the governor's office, and so far no response, as well. coming up next, why the abortion ruling is splitting republicans eyeing a 2024 presidential run. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. powerful, g pain relief.
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this year and beyond that. former vice president mike pence and some republican governors are going all in. in the minutes after the supreme court ruling pence called out for abortion bans in all 50 states. adviser telling "the washington post" that he plans to focus on the issue in the coming weeks. meanwhile, the post reporting that aides to former president donald trump that anything stronger leave it to the states can come back to haunt republicans. >> joining me is political investigative reporter josh dosie. this is fascinating stuff and i'm glad you're joining us and we can get into this. i'm curious, as we have been seeing things -- the fallout from the decision on friday, there has kind of been this muted reaction from the republican party or a dispersed reaction from inside the republican party and this is obviously representative of the -- this is something they have been campaigning on and the
former president himself campaigned on it despite being pro-abortion rights just a decade and a half or so. that being said, here we are and it seems like the party is split at least in a public manner. >> the three of the supreme court justices that obviously were able to rule and get roe versus wade overturned and that's a significant win for a lot of his supporters and his problem is that it's not popular with the country and he knows that, a lot of the countriya support, and he's complained by his advisers with suburban women and independents and other voters who may not like this. it's very popular among his supporters, to be clear, but it's not necessarily according to public polling that popular and vice president mike pence who is trying to gain steam and hopefully wants to run for president himself who wants to go full throttle on this whose chief of staff told me yesterday
he plans to go to state capitols across the country and help fight for stricter laws now that it's up to the states and be involved in a lot of these states and then you can have a whole other range of republicans who put out statements praising the ruling, but were not quite as full throttled as mike pence and are assessing the political ramifications where they might be and they each have kind of their own calculous, i guess, so to speak. >> the former vice president has been in the headline recently because of his association with the january 6th hearings. it's not necessarily something that he likes to be in the headlines about especially as he's trying to court any kind of former trump supporter, right? i want to read a little bit from your reporting about how pence is digging in on this abortion issue saying pence has stopped before friday's ruling including a south carolina crisis center, and at a church leading a
conversation about roe and the former vice president urged weighing roe. pence just needs an issue set that he can really dig into that it's not about january 6th or trump or anything. he's comfortable talking about abortion, and this has been the issue with the former vice president is how to distinguish himself and really kind of take the lead when it's evangelical voters in 2024. >> he views south carolina as key of having any chance in 2024 and in iowa, and he thinks that by going to the state he's spoken at churches and evangelical events in south carolina and focus on the family in south carolina and lots of evangelical voters who he is trying to court to. the problem he has is in a lot of these polls are well-polling and voters are skeptical of him
because the former president has criticized him and he's not gained a lot of steam. his folks think that might change and the chief of staff told me repeatedly on what he did on january 6th and more and more republicans will come to see that he did the right thing and that he didn't have another choice and the private calculation among these republicans is they hope or think that donald trump will continue to fade a little bit, and will leave room for them. so mike pence is working quite hard. he's doing dozen of events and he thinks that evangelical voters in south carolina and iowa are critical to gaining momentum for a potential bid. >> i guess it depends on which voters they're talking about, josh, we thank you for your good reporting on this. thanks for watching this hour of msnbc. "deadline: white house" starts right after a quick break. ouse"s ouse"s right after a quick break. the moment you become an expedia member, you can instantly start saving on your travels.
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