tomorrow. they said they're going to present recently obtained evidence and received witness testimony. no, we don't have an obvious idea with this is about. but we are trying. that surprised hearing is scheduled for 1 pm eastern, tomorrow. msnbc's gonna have live coverage starting at noon. and then, tomorrow night, 8:00 eastern, i will help host a primetime recap of that hearing, alongside a whole boatload of my beloved colleagues. anyway, i don't know what's going to happen. i'm not going to sleep, which means you should get a good night sleep tonight, if only to be fully awake for me, really, really botching -- eally, really botching -- >> good evening, rachel. i will be on the port side of the vote from where you -- from where you will be sitting. what a shocker. i mean, this committee has been very carefully scheduling. and then, the only thing they were doing with the schedule was pushing it further out. and actually, in effect, giving us bigger breaks. just suddenly, i have to jump to position for a hearing from this committee. by the way, for any committee, i mean scheduling a hearing overnight, that's just the rarest thing in committee world. so --

>> why do you think there is -- why is there a rush? i mean, if they got something new, obviously, they could've factored it into the readings that they've already scheduled for july. they could've factored it into hearings they have scheduled a week from now. why, what could possibly explain why there is a rush to get the new evidence, get the new witness testimony before the american public, urgently on zero notice? >> and here we crash into the limits on my ability to guess. [laughs] but here's what i think is really striking about it, rachel. some of these members, adam schiff, had to travel across the country for this. so, when they're in recess, it's extremely difficult to bring them back. one of the things that really strikes me about this is there is a big difference in a situation like this for the members, say, traveling from wyoming. there is a big difference

between tuesday and wednesday. if you can just -- i mean, if you can just say wednesday, it would be a huge difference. so, they all decided, you know what? wednesday is too late. and that's what's so striking about this. thursday's -- >> i know! >> thursday is too late. we've got to do it tuesday. i mean, this -- i'm on the edge of my seat. >> i know. and there's been no leaks about the identity of the witness. and, before today, there were no leaks that there was gonna be some -- it's not like we heard rumblings over the weekend, you know? or even this morning that there was going to be something that was all suddenly noticed. i mean, we knew what we knew. and same thing with a witness identity, or the witnesses identity, there is a lot of speculation, a lot of guessing that we don't know. so, something is afoot. >> i strongly suspect, given that these hearings have been conducted as if with the hand of a dramatist. i mean, they've been excellent hearings, substantively, all the way through. but this process has understood the rhythm of drama. and you don't do something like this in the middle of a well presented drama, without it

being really huge. i mean, you've really set this up to be huge, and and the context of these kinds of hearings, if we were to go back to the only model we have for them really, which is watergate, the huge reveal, the really huge reveal in the hearings was, there are tapes of the president in the oval office. and so, i suspect that the hand of the dramatist here requires something of that magnitude, which in the 21st century is probably videotape, which brings us to that documentarian who recently presided -- >> no. that can be it. i mean, there's not gonna be enough evidence -- it can be something that big. it can be. you know, with a documentarian, would it have made a difference if you went on wednesday versus tuesday? i don't know --

>> i can't explain that. i cannot possibly explain, i am giving these members another 24 hours to get back in place. that, i can't explain at all. i have no way -- i mean, i suppose we will know tomorrow night, but i suspect we are going to hear -- my guess, this is pure guess, is we are going to hear the president's voice in some form, and this is pure guess. i know absolutely nothing about this. but the way these hearings have been unfolding, it's, it feels like they have something so urgent, that includes, i suspect, an urgency to present this to the justice department, right? because merrick garland has said, look, we're all just watching this, you know? and we are watching it as soon as it happens, merrick garland sent, if i don't watch it live, i watch it on tape, you know, so they're all watching any every minute. and this is something they want to deliver to the justice

department tomorrow, as well as to us. >> right, it's a very good point. the justice department, as far as we know, is not getting anything from the committee that all the rest of us aren't getting, just in terms of the public releases. and so, it could very much be that the urgent audience for whatever it is they're gonna reveal's doj as much as it is the public. >> let everybody just forget everything that i just said, because it's pure guesswork. and let's just go back in to a state of pure suspense, without any, any attempt to guess the head ahead of the news. there you go. there you go. you will -- >> will sort this out before we go on tv. >> you sleep well tonight. >> see you tomorrow, lawrence. >> thank you, rachel. >> > and so, the united states of america is once again in effect two countries, two groups of states. free states and not free states. in the free states, which are controlled by democrats, all citizens have all of the constitutional rights that they

had last week. and in the not free states, people have lost their constitutional right for the first time in history. a largest state where women and girls have lost the constitutional right to control pregnancies is texas. and texans do not absolutely want to lose that right. a new quinnipiac poll shows that 59% of texans believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases. 79% of texans believe that abortions should be legal for victims of rape and incest. but new abortion bans in texas have no exceptions for rape and incest. 12 year old girl in texas who are raped will have to give birth, according to texas law. if a 12 year old girl is raped by her father, she will have to

give birth to her sister, according to texas law. texas governor, greg abbott, has not spoken publicly about the supreme court decision, but he did issue a written statement, quote, the u.s. supreme court correctly overturned roe v. wade, and we stated the right of states to protect innocent, unborn children. governor abbott will not protect innocent 12 year old children, if they are raped. 79% of texans say governor abbott is wrong about that. 79% of texans say that victims of rape, of all ages, children and adults, should have a right to end that pregnancy. our first guest, beto o'rourke, is running against greg abbott for governor. >> it's not about life, you know what's more important?

gun violence! [noise] [applause] [inaudible] those 19 children in uvalde, texas, would still be alive -- [inaudible] the lives and the values of the women of texas. >> you are not gonna believe what the governor of texas says about this. you're not gonna believe any because it's not true. >> why force a rape or incest victim to carry a pregnancy to term? >> rape is a crime. and texas will work tirelessly to make sure that we eliminate all rapists from the streets of texas, by aggressively going after -- prosecuting them and giving, leaving them off the streets. so go number one in the state

of texas is to eliminate rape, so that no woman, no person will be a victim of rape. >> eliminate rape, eliminates rape, that is the texas republican plan to make sure that no victim of rape in texas will ever need abortion, eliminates right! texas is number one. it is the second biggest state, but its number one. california has 10 million more people than texas, 10 million. but texas is number one. texas is number one in forcible rapes. 13,509 victims of criminal forceable rape, in a year, in the state of texas. texas. it is number one. and the governor of texas tells the lie that he is going to eliminate ripe. eliminates rape, so that no woman, no person will be a -- -- 13,509 victims of criminal forceable rape, in a year, in the state of texas. texas.

it is number one. and the governor of texas tells the lie that he is going to eliminate ripe. eliminates rape, so that no woman, no person will be a victim of rape, so 13,509 it's going to become zero. i guess this is that kind of like people like greg abbott think they have to tell, when they are forcing 12-year-old girls, 12 year old white victims, to give birth. there is not one person in texas including greg abbott, who believes that greg abbott is ever going to eliminate rape. and so, now, now, texans know what greg abbott looks like when he is lying. >> so, go number one in the state of texas, it is to

eliminate rape, so that no woman, no person will be a victim of rape. >> consider the cruelty of that lie. that is a lie told in service to the republican policy of forced birth, a republican cruelty a forced birth, forcing great children to have children. that is a republican policy. and there is not one republican in texas, or one republican on the supreme court, or one republican anywhere in the country, who will ever tell the truth about what they have decided to do. two little girls who are raped, two women who are raped, two girls who are victims of incest. the republican policy for rape victims is to victimized them again, and force them all to give birth. and in the 50 years of debate on abortion in this country, we have never once, had a single opponent of abortion, ever tell

the truth, when asked why should victims of rape and incest be forced to give birth? that's the question that you just saw greg abbott answer, and he is not the first to lie in answering that question. you will not find an honest answer to that question in the last 50 years. and you will not find a more grotesque lie in response to that question then greg abbott saying, that he is gonna eliminate right in the state that is number one, texas is number one in forcible rape. greg abbott's reelection polling numbers are collapsing in texas. he dropped ten points after he lied about the mass murder of 19 kids, and two teachers, in robb elementary school in

uvalde. the day after the mass murder, he told the lie that heroic police work save the day. and it couldn't have been much worse if the police had not so heroic. when he was in the middle of telling that lie, better beto o'rourke interrupted him. >> the time to stop the next shooting now and you are -- your all bringing up nothing. he said this was unpredictable. this was totally predictable when you choose not to do anything. >> sir, you are out of line! >> and standing up for the kids of the state to stop this from happening again. [inaudible] >> i can't believe you are -- to make -- [inaudible] >> this is on you until you choose to do something about it. >> since then, the republican mayor of uvalde, who called

beto o'rourke has been busy trying to prevent families in uvalde from finding out what's really happened inside that school. and beto o'rourke has continued to push for full transparency about what happened in uvalde. after uvalde, governor abbott i both points dropped, and that was before greg abbott praised a supreme court decision opposed by 59% of texans. and it was before greg abbott started lying about eliminating rape, because 79% of texans say that governor abbott and republicans are wrong to force victims of rape and insist to give birth. beto o'rourke lost his run for senate four years ago by two and a half percent of the vote, in the four years since then, his supporters know exactly how much harder they have to work this time to close that gap. this weekend, beto o'rourke and his supporters knocked on 30,279 doors across texas. >> action, or reaction?

what do you choose? >> action! >> action, reaction? >> action! >> you're all ready to knock on doors and -- [noise] [applause] [inaudible] >> leading off our discussion tonight, beto o'rourke, democratic nominee for governor of texas. thank you very much for joining us tonight. where were you when you got the word about the supreme court decision, and what has it been like in texas since then? >> i was making my way back to texas from new york, and immediately reached out to my team. and said, listen, there are

millions of people across the state who are now under attack. we have a trigger law in texas that deems all abortion will be outlawed, beginning at fertilization, with no exception for rape or incest. how do we do everything that we can right now, to fight for them, and to make sure that everyone has a chance to act? because, action is gonna be our best way to overcome this. it's the key to victory, and it's the antidote to the despair that so many are tempted to succumb to at this moment. as you mentioned a moment minutes ago, we had our biggest weekend of knocking on doors since we began this campaign, in november. more than 30,000 times, a volunteer knocked on the door of a complete stranger, and invited them to come into the election, participate in our democracy, in a state that does more than any other suppress and intimidate the vote. and ensure that every single one of us understands what's on the line. and the fact that this is happening more than four months away from this election on number eight tells you

everything about how motivated the people of texas are. that's the spirit of the state. this supreme court decision, greg abbott's cruelty, that will not define us. we will be defined by the way in which we overcome this, by winning political power, and making sure that those rights of every single texan are protected and expanded, going forward. >> greg abbott said, he's going to eliminate rape. in the state of texas. there is no adult question i can ask you about that. i just want to get your reaction to him making that announcement to texas, that he's going to eliminate rape. >> as you pointed out earlier, not only has he not eliminated it, texas unfortunately leads the nation in the number of people who have been raped in our state. and since greg abbott has been governor, the clearance rate for violent crimes, including rape, has declined from 70% to 50%. so, not only are there more

people being great, there are now more rapists out there who have not been brought into justice. and we can only imagine what that feels like for these victims, to not have that justice or accountability, or that closure. and it is all because of the person in power, who says that he is for life, and he cares about the heartbeats of our fellow texans. and when you look at the evidence, the victims of these rates, the woman in a state who experience maternal crisis, unknown for much of the rest of the country. three times as bad for black women in the state of texas. a child protective services system that oversees the worst foster care programs run in america, 100 children lost their lives in cbs custody and care, over the last one and a half years, just here in the state of texas. and as you pointed out earlier, gun violence is now th leading cause of death for children and teenagers in the state of texas. this guy does not care at all about the lives of our fellow

texans, so, it's time that we replace him. i don't know that he wants people to die, but he's unable or unwilling to do the things, make the change, stand up to the special interests necessary to save lives of texans. so, let's get past him. but when this election, november. and let's get after helping our fellow texans, saving those lives, and allowing each of us to live to our full, and allow this state to fulfill its promise. >> so, the governor who insulted the intelligence of every texan, and everyone in the country, by saying he was going to eliminate rate, has never promised to eliminate school shootings in texas. you were there, when he was doing that first press conference that we virtually, everything the governor said, turned out to be untrue. half of it was proven untrue the next day, and then, the rest of it has been proven untrue since then. what has to happen now in the investigation of the mass

murder in this uvalde? >> we need the facts. these families deserve the truth. i have kept in contact with every one of those families that i've met, who lost a son or a daughter on that day, more than a month ago. and they want three things. they want the facts, and the truth. they want to make sure that the stories of their children, their lives, are told the rest of this country. they want to make sure that they all also did not die in vain, and they want action. they want us to prevent this from ever happening to another parent again. and greg abbott is stopping all of those things from happening right now. he's stonewalling every freedom of information request on behalf of those parents, the public, our fellow texans. he is refusing to take even the most common sense steps that most of us, republicans, democrats, gun owners, not gun owners alike, can agree on. like, universal background

checks, or a red flag law, or safe storage laws, these are things that most of us can agree on. in fact, the position that greg abbott holds in texas is supported by only 6% of his fellow texans. it's almost as if he's not listening to, or seeking to serve, or present or flecked the people that he's supposed to lead in the state. >> beto o'rourke, thank you very much for starting off our discussion tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up, john eastman is the former trump attorney who pushed the idea that mike pence could overturn the presidential election on january 6th. today, we learned the federal agents have his phone. they seized it last week. andrew weissmann and ken dilanian will join us next. pedialyte powder packs. feel better fast. moderate to severe eczema

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one of the emails that federal agents already know they will find on john eastman's phone, has been made public by the january 6th committee. it's an email from john eastman to rudy giuliani, saying, quote, i've decided that i should be on the pardon list, if that is still in the works. this time, tomorrow night, we will be discussing what is likely to be a dramatic hearing which the january six committee suddenly scheduled just today. for tomorrow at 1 pm with the hearing notice that the committee will, quote, present recently obtained evidence and received witness testimony. joining our discussion, now andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel, and former chief of the criminal this division in the eastern district of new york. he's a professor of practice at nyu law school. also with us ken dilanian, and nbc news national security correspondent. andrew weissmann, your reading of what we've learned about the

eastman iphone. >> so, it's quite interesting. what we learned is a new mexico federal judge, signed on monday, june 17th, an order that allowed the fbi to cease and search that phone, which means that the fbi established to that judge that there was a probable cause of a crime. and that there would be probable cause that there was evidence of that crime on his phone. in other words, the fbi can't just go ahead and see something. they need court authorization and they got it. and the other thing that is kind of interesting is that it is not just that it happened. the actual execution happened on the same day as the execution of the home search of jeffrey clark. but it's clear that they are

linked, because the office of the inspector general was involved in both searches. and the office of inspector general only has authority, if the doj, a figure, is involved. and eastman is not a doj figure. clark is. so, there has to be a connection between the two, in order for the office or inspector general to be involved with eastman. and we know from the filing today that they were. >> ken dilanian, your reading of what we found about today? >> so, lawrence, it's more than just, that the office of the inspector general was involved. the actual warrant, when you look at it, was an office of inspector general warned. their main fbi agents on hand, to assist, which is very common, because the department of justice general is a tiny agency. many people may have forgotten that back in january 2021 the inspector general, michael

horowitz, had announced after some revelations on jeffrey clark that he is investigating. he's launching an investigation into the conduct of former justice employees and whether they sought to properly use the justice department, to overthrow the election. and it really looks like we're seeing the fruits of that investigation in these to search warrant executions. and of course, wednesday, there was also a series of subpoenas reported against people involved in the fake electors scheme. the question that a lot of people are puzzling about is, where is at the fbi in this? because, as andrew said, the department of justice, inspector general, only has jurisdiction over political corruption involving the doj employees. now, he can range far and wide, where the evidence goes, in terms of that corruption. but there has to be a nexus, and it shows that there is a nexus between eastman and clark and the conspiracy. but, what happens with all this stuff they get on eastman's phone, that doesn't relate to anybody at the justice department?

but relates to what he was trying to do in convincing mike pence to, you know, to change the results of the election on january 6th. that is outside the jurisdiction of the inspector general. it really begs the question, when does the fbi step in and start conducting robust investigation that leads, potentially, to former president trump? >> and andrew, eastman in his lawsuit, try to get his phone back. he's saying, this specter general doesn't have any jurisdiction over me. i was not a justice department employee. >> yeah, that's a really bad argument. if the department of justice is contending that this conspiracy. so, if there is a conspiracy between eastman and somebody at the justice department, such as jeffrey clark, then the office of inspector general does have authority. as well, a close reading of that application by eastman shows that the fbi was involved, and that fbi was the one that

actually seized the phone, and they were just going to deliver it to the office of the inspector general lap for examination. so, i don't think that that eastman application is gonna go very far, at least at this point. if he's charged, he obviously can make motions to suppress, but i think at this point, this filing is largely dead on arrival. >> can, i know you've been covering the developments of the january six committee, and the surprise hearing for tomorrow, as we try to put the pieces together, like we're all doing today, putting the pieces together of the puzzle that we've seen so far, and trying to figure out what kind of piece would be so urgent, that they would have to schedule it so suddenly for tomorrow? you would have to ask me that, lawrence. honestly, i have no idea. it's one of the best kept secrets in washington. people have been talking about it all day. i haven't even heard good speculation about this, other than that there is clearly a reason, either about sequencing of witnesses, security of

testimony, potential witness intimidation. these are the kind of ideas people are throwing out. or a witness that has recently come for the information that is so explosive, they want to get it out and the public domain immediately. it's the best i can do. >> andrew, is very possible department of justice interest hidden what the information might be tomorrow that would be a reason for the committee to rush? >> it's possible, but i am sort of with can, i mean, i don't have any idea what it is, but i think it has to have something to do with the concern over the witness, and that the witness will somehow be tampered with, or there will be intimidation, and that they want to strike while the iron is hot. that would be my guess. obviously, the information will be made public, and obviously, the other audience here, is not just the public at large, but it's merrick garland. so, that would certainly be in

effect. >> andrew weissmann and ken dilanian, thank you both very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> coming up, supreme court experts, dahlia lithwick and mary ziegler will join us next. i will ask them if they've ever hurt anyone defend at the idea of forcing rape and incest victims to give birth, without using some form of magical thinking like greg abbott's promise, to eliminate ripe. that's next. abbott' ♪ ♪ aleve. who do you take it for? promise, to eliminate ripe that's next.

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women the right to can troll pregnancy as a constitutional right first decade passed quietly, abortion was not a partisan issue. there were prominent supporters and opponents of roe v. wade in both parties. but the issue was largely ignored. in her latest new york times with, professor mary ziegler writes, for the better part of a decade after row, abortion was on the backburner for major figures in both political parties. but by the 19 80s ronald reagan saw abortion as an opportunity. reagan, who as governor of california, had signed a law that made abortion accessible in some cases in the state, understood that white evangelical protestant and some catholics were increasingly anxious about the rise of the feminist movement, the early fight for gay rights, and the spread of no fault divorce. abortion, reagan thought, could put republicans in power and keep them there.

opposition to roe v. wade was in the republican platform in 1980, when ronald reagan won the presidency. but antiabortion proponents were disappointed with reagan appointments to the supreme court, who ended up supporting roe v. wade. mary ziegler rights, so, anti-abortion groups set out to ensure that different kinds of justices would sit on the court, justices who would be logically consistent and indifferent to popular opinion. clarence thomas who joined the court the year before the casey decision, stood out as a model for this new kind of justice. he seemed like the kind of judge who would stick to his principles no matter what the american people thought of him, and who even delighted in the hatred of his opponents on the bench and in congress. that was the kind of justice who would put an end to roe. >> joining us now, legal

historian a law professor mary ziegler. she is the author of the new book, dollars for life: the anti-abortion movement and the fall of the republican establishment. and dahlia lithwick, senior editor and legal correspondent for slate, and host of the podcast, she's also an msnbc law and politics analyst. and professor mary ziegler, let me begin with you, in the 50-year history of this subject, beginning around the time of roe, have you ever heard a defender of the idea that women and girls who are raped, or victims of incest, should be forced to give birth? have you ever heard someone defend that idea, without some kind of magical thinking, like greg abbott has suggested that he will eliminate rape? >> surprisingly, i have. i mean, it's quite common in the antiabortion movement, to essentially say, anything that contradicts the principle of fetal personhood is wrong. so generally, the argument is, if you can't, you know, justify in the case of rape or incest, you can't justify abortion.

and often, you also hear people in the antiabortion movement say, essentially, it's terrible that someone was sexually assaulted. but it's worse that they have an abortion, essentially, that the abortion is worse in the sexual assault, and forcing the victim of the sexual assault to carry the pregnancy to term. it is the lesser of the evils. so, we haven't heard that in politics until recently, because the anti-abortion movement gutted it estevan, and we're starting to hear it now, because essentially, the anti abortion movement thinks that it can gets what it wants and u.s. politics. there are no more limits are kunce constraints. >> dahlia, i certainly knew that individuals out there held in his view, that abortion was murder, but politicians, republican politicians, and certainly republican politicians in washington, have always kind of run away from this particular piece of it, whenever they could. and i've never heard any of them deal with it honestly. >> i think what you are

identifying, lawrence, is that we hit a really interesting inflection point a few years ago. for the longest time, going back to, women were treated as though they were sort of just extra large children, which is why doctors were chiefly prosecuted and doctors were chiefly the bad guys. all the way through, including after casey in 1992, the -- i think the antiabortion rhetoric was about helping women make better choices. and if they got into trouble, helping support them, and helping, you know, helping them think through their bad decisions and avoid regret. almost immediately after brett kavanaugh was ascended to the court, and i think at medication abortion, which started to be really a thing, that flipped. and suddenly women were on the hook to.

suddenly, women were the murderers to. and i think one of the things that has really changed in that kind of the discourse we're having right now is an absolute disregard for how women get pregnant, and how they suffer. now, the new kind of rhetoric around it is that there are the bad guys, no matter what. >> and professor ziegler, when i was seeing in your tracing of the history, and remembering just totally, this sense that when roe v. wade was decided, the supporters of roe v. wade fought thought victory was a victory. and they relaxed, compared to the opponents of roe v. wade, who thought, okay, this case doesn't end here. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, i think there is this cautionary tale here, where a moment of promise for progress and that way. there was a ton of complacency. there was someone who wrote in the 70s, she wrote to her colleagues, don't debate antiabortion people, because the supreme court has spoken, and the case is closed. there is no more need to debate this. this is over. and he occasionally we'll hear

conservatives saying the same thing, essentially, the supreme court has spoken and the case is close. and if history teaches us anything, it's that the supreme court can't settle this issue. that was true when the supreme court had sided with the american people, in the sense of issuing decision in roe, that reflected the popular opinion on abortion. we now know the dog's decision, undercuts popular opinion on abortion. so the thought this is somehow, it's even more ridiculous than it would ever be seen in 1973, where people thought the court had resolve the matter once and for all. >> and dahlia, this decision seems to have the capacity for some significant unintended consequences. even by the majority who issued the report. >> i mean, the majority, i think, in particular, just justice kavanaugh, i think electability that issue is not settled. and quiet will follow in the land, and everyone will go home

and feel good about everything. and clearly, you can tell from the protest, lawrence, you can tell by the absolute, i think, shock and outrage that this is not gonna result, resolve itself. and i think also, the supreme court, in saying this stops row, it's not going to affect lgbtq rights. it's not gonna affect contraception. also, really unloaded a power can, it's clear that's not correct. and then, everybody is panic stricken, and everybody is loaded for the right right now. >> professor mary ziegler and dahlia lithwick, thank you both very much for joining our discussion. >> thanks for having us. >> coming up, stacey abrams is making reproductive rights a central issue in her campaign for governor in georgia. lauren groh-wargo, the campaign manager of stacey abrams campaign will join us, next.

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citizenship is wrong. women deserve bodily autonomy, they deserve the right to make these choices, and then georgia in particular and a matter of days the six-week ban will be the law of the land. that is horrendous, that is appalling, it is wrong, and as an ex governor which do everything in my power to reverse it. >> joining us now, laura grow order, she is the campaign manager for stacey abrams gubernatorial campaign in georgia. you came in second last time by 1. 4% of the vote. that was the gap between the same two candidates four years ago. , four years ago brian kemp had donald trump's endorsement. and had the campaigning with him. he's not would have that this time. well that alone make up for the 1. 4%? >> one of the things that is

happening here in georgia and around the country is the importance of governors. it is being made crystal clear. so your question leads to the road decision. which is that women find brian kemp's six-week abortion ban that he signed in 2019 that will be going to effect in a matter of weeks. women across race and a cross demographics find this disqualifying. because this is about medical care. and women know that they don't even though they're pregnant at six weeks. so the chilling effect this has on our ob/gyn, over half of them don't have this. but this is going to medical care and health care for women 's devastating. when you look at the maga faction that is not sure what they think about brian kemp, this is clarifying to them that these radical extremists, he's dangerous, but is showing the

truth to the rest of our voters. like who he really is and he is dangerous to georgia's women. and yes that is going to be part of the reason we close that gap. and like stacey abrams as governor of georgia. >> what else is the math in the second time around? new voters in georgia. people turning 18? is there any place you hope to get that 1. 4%? >> there are two things on the issue and one of the numbers i would say. ryan campus that he's not quick to stop at the six-week ban. he has been on the record saying should role be overturned he would go back to the legislator and acts were a complete and total ban on abortion. so that is number one. that is disqualifying. number two brian kemp signed a permit-less carry law allowing anyone to carry a concealed weapon handgun. that means that you can carry law feel a concealed gun without a background check because of the loopholes in the state. that is disqualifying.

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